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Re: Village broadband and high-speed optic fibre
« Reply #720 on: November 24, 2017, 04:46:37 pm »
As its just a small install we have separated BT and EE. EE being exclusively for business use only. The double nat then not being an issue. The problem was we were not FttP in the recent rollout so opted to pitch for a data contract on EE. On EE at 70/40 The download speeds are 4 times BT and the upload 8x. With the new rollouts coming of cat 12? 4g and then gbit provision on the 5G networks i think in time we will abandon fixed line altogether. As im sure most of the country will! As soon as these 4G/5G kits become available for domestic consumption along side unlimted data tariffs I think there will be a big move over. IMHO. Cheers BP
 

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Re: Village broadband and high-speed optic fibre
« Reply #721 on: November 27, 2017, 01:15:55 pm »
There seems to be some confusion regarding the term ď5GĒ so hereís my understanding as the two meanings are totally different:

ď5GĒ is the proposed 5th generation mobile phone network beyond the current 4G mobile phone network (which is still not available to all areas of the UK). It will offer higher speeds but there is currently no fully agreed industry standard for 5G deployments in the UK and hence it will probably not be launched here for quite some time (2020 + depending on the huge financial cost?).

ď5GHzĒ (often incorrectly referred to as ď5GĒ) is an alternative frequency band mainly used for WiFi in your house/office/public hotspots which offers higher speeds than the legacy 2.4GHz frequency band but 5GHz doesnít travel through walls so well. So even in an average sized house, your phone/laptop might achieve a better signal for internet using 2.4GHz. Most modern devices are dual-band allowing them to choose the best band to use. (Note: 5GHz is also used for connecting buildings together for business purposes but that topic is beyond the scope of this forum).

The very fast 5GHz connection speeds mentioned in the other forum posts are only achievable for transferring data between devices within your house/office and cannot increase your internet connection speed which is fixed by your internet service provider.

For our house, the basic 29Mbps Infinity service (often much faster) which is contracted via EE but totally unrelated to EEís mobile service, is perfectly sufficient for streaming iPlayer, kids on Xbox and working from home concurrently and hence we havenít upgraded to the higher speed Infinity/EE FTTC and certainly donít need the full fibre to the premises FTTP service. A simple mains Powerline adapter provides perfect WiFi coverage upstairs.
 

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Re: Village broadband and high-speed optic fibre
« Reply #722 on: November 27, 2017, 01:24:07 pm »
yes thats correct. Its worth nothing that 2.4.ghz bandwith is better at penetrating walls etc so can travel furthur in a house. 5ghz is certainly faster but cant go as far in a house as its interrupted more by obstacles. This is why a lot of people have to get extenders in order to benefit from 5ghz ac wifi.

I only need hi speed for work uses and i agree that the 20/5 provision we have in the house is certainly more than adequate for streaming HD TV Etc. FTTP is complete overkill at the moment for most domestic users. It wont be in the future however as providers start streaming 4k and higher resolution internet radio etc. ta bp
 

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Re: Village broadband and high-speed optic fibre
« Reply #723 on: December 26, 2017, 12:18:16 am »
Hi. I may have a solution to our internet woes,

I have just registered my interest in Voneus installing wireless internet provider availability in our area- They say we only need to get 40 names, which given the volume and longevity of this post thread should be achievable, then they will look at a local install.

If this is possible then it looks like they deliver great wireless data speeds for really reasonable rates- Check out the website and see what you think,

https://www.voneus.com/
 

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Re: Village broadband and high-speed optic fibre
« Reply #724 on: December 26, 2017, 10:53:55 am »
Interesting.
Looks like a very small dish is mounted outside the property - whether that means line of sight is required to a central mast is required isn't clear. Would probably mean a high installation fee too.
It seems Voneus is a very new company - I couldn't find out much with a quick Google so it'll be interesting to see how well it works in practice.
 

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Re: Village broadband and high-speed optic fibre
« Reply #725 on: January 02, 2018, 12:35:41 am »
Just a short update on our BT FTTP connection, which we've had for over 6 months now (on Moffats).

It gives good 300 mbps download and 30 mbps upload speeds on 5ghz wifi.
The cost is cheaper than FTTC BT Infinity and we've retained our old phone line.
While its correct to say that streaming video at HD quality doesn't touch the sides of a FTTP download, streaming at 4k can take up a significant chunk of your download speeds even on FTTP (it sometimes overloads the homeplug/2.4GHz connection to our smart TV for example). I've still found occasional dropout problems when connected to my work network remotely when video is being streamed in the living room. Dropouts and problems related to streaming video improved greatly following FTTP installation, but didn't disappear.
The best speeds are only available on the 5ghz connection, but that's limited to relatively short distances within an average house (eg fast speeds are available in our living room but not in our kitchen). Think within a rooms distance in any direction for the best speeds.
The BT Homehub 6 gets the best speeds from the FTTP connection, we originally used a Asus Router that had been excellent on FTTC but it gave slow/inconsistent performance on FTTP.
I would also welcome higher upload speeds/slightly lower download speeds for working with high resolution photos and video (uploading 4k video remains very slow).

Verdict: It's definitely worth getting, its cheaper, but it isn't a panacea.
 

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Re: Village broadband and high-speed optic fibre
« Reply #726 on: January 04, 2018, 05:12:02 pm »
I'm in Bluebridge Road and previously understood that we were outside the area being upgraded to FTTP. However, a search on http://www.dslchecker.bt.com/ shows that FTTP *is* available at our address. I'm served by POTTERS BAR Cabinet 3.

I just spoke to someone from the FTTP sales team at BT who advised that it looks like all the work has been done to enable FTTP but that the service isn't available for retail by BT yet. He said it should come available soon but he couldn't say when. He wasn't especially convincing, though!

Has anyone else on Bluebridge Road, or served by Cabinet 3, been able to order FTTP or ascertain if / when we will be able to do so?

Thanks!
 

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Re: Village broadband and high-speed optic fibre
« Reply #727 on: January 04, 2018, 05:44:57 pm »
I was told exactly the same by BT after initially being told my road (Moffats) didnít even have FTTP. Openreach and BT do not talk to each other. I finally got BT to accept it was installed for my road and booked my appointment. The installation went without a hitch and the engineers were brilliant. Has it made a difference? Not at all. Still suffer from dropouts. Kids games still lag. Still takes half an hour to download a movie. Iíve paid for the 200mbps. Best Iíve ever got is 35. Engineers told me
You will only get decent speeds on wired connections and it wonít improve anything using Wi-fi. They werenít wrong. Naivety on my part I guess.
 

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Re: Village broadband and high-speed optic fibre
« Reply #728 on: January 04, 2018, 06:59:19 pm »
To get max speed on a wireless connection, you need to use 5GHz (mode ac) WiFi routers.  I can get > 300Mbps over WiFi when using such routers but the trade off is reduced range.  The 2.4GHz (mode b/g/n) WiFi routers I have can't get more than ~32Mbps throughput with better range throughout the house.  The BT supplied Hub6 supports both bands (modes) and if your devices support 5GHz, you should get max throughput when near the Hub6.  For gamers, a low ping rate is best provided with 5GHz gear - the best I can get is 3ms.
 

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Re: Village broadband and high-speed optic fibre
« Reply #729 on: January 05, 2018, 02:00:41 am »
Has it made a difference? Not at all. Still suffer from dropouts. Kids games still lag. Still takes half an hour to download a movie. Iíve paid for the 200mbps. Best Iíve ever got is 35. Engineers told me
You will only get decent speeds on wired connections and it wonít improve anything using Wi-fi. They werenít wrong. Naivety on my part I guess.
I don't think that's accurate. You might want to consider complaining about the hub/router/connection.
Sitting in my living room, one floor away from the Homehub, here's what I get over 2.4ghz wifi:

Here's what I get over 5ghz wifi (its more like 300-330 on the floor above):

Conversely, here's the speed to the computer in my study over ethernet:

The wired connection speed above isn't entirely fair, because it's slowed by my use of homeplug connections. The time I connected a computer directly to the hub by ethernet, it recorded a connection speed of around 300mbps.
Now, your speed may vary based on the speed you've paid for or the properties of your connection, but what you've described above in terms of behaviour and connection speed doesn't sound right to me. You will get occasional dropouts, its the nature of broadband, but it shouldn't be unduly disruptive, nor should downloads take an excessive period. You should definitely be able to get decent connection speeds over wifi proximate to your hub or router.
 

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Re: Village broadband and high-speed optic fibre
« Reply #730 on: January 05, 2018, 09:11:33 am »
You will never the full speed unless you use a direct CAT-5/6 ethernet connection to a device (and Homeplug whilst not wireless is not the same as wired)
If you want optimal gaming performance then running a cable between your router and the device (making sure it's gigabit ethernet) is the best way to ensure throughput speed and low ping
 

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Re: Village broadband and high-speed optic fibre
« Reply #731 on: January 05, 2018, 11:08:42 am »
I was told exactly the same by BT after initially being told my road (Moffats) didnít even have FTTP. Openreach and BT do not talk to each other. I finally got BT to accept it was installed for my road and booked my appointment. The installation went without a hitch and the engineers were brilliant. Has it made a difference? Not at all. Still suffer from dropouts. Kids games still lag. Still takes half an hour to download a movie. Iíve paid for the 200mbps. Best Iíve ever got is 35. Engineers told me
You will only get decent speeds on wired connections and it wonít improve anything using Wi-fi. They werenít wrong. Naivety on my part I guess.

Thanks Trent! Are you also on cabinet 3? Do you know which number you called and team you spoke to when you were successful? Was there something specific you said to convince them? Thanks for your help.
 

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Re: Village broadband and high-speed optic fibre
« Reply #732 on: January 05, 2018, 06:22:56 pm »
There are various sites to look up BT cabinet info. I think cabinets (P1, P2, P3 & p24) serve most of Brookmans Park.

One such site is https://www.telecom-tariffs.co.uk/codelook.htm?xid=969339&cabinets=14034.

Cabinet 3 is shown as expanded in June 2017 (with 18/2M product - ??? ).
Cabinets 1,2,& 24 are to be expanded in April 2018.

Anyone hazard a guess as to what expansion is planned?

 

 

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Re: Village broadband and high-speed optic fibre
« Reply #733 on: January 06, 2018, 04:30:54 pm »
... (with 18/2M product - ??? ).


A bit a of a 'google' suggests it's this
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FTTC 18/2 Mbps product for slow speed ADSL lines. This product will be available at a lower monthly price than the standard GEA service. We expect this will assist CPs in creating options to uplift customers who currently receive a poor ADSL experience

GEA-FTTC = Generic Ethernet Access-Fibre to the Cabinet
CP = Communications Provider

https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2016/04/bt-openreach-trial-18mbps-fttc-broadband-speed-slow-adsl-lines.html

 

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Re: Village broadband and high-speed optic fibre
« Reply #734 on: January 07, 2018, 10:29:05 pm »
Hi Pingucol.

BT had Mailed me a flier suggesting I upgraded my router. I phoned the number, which I no longer have, agreed a deal and placed my order. 2 days later I got a phone call telling me I couldnít have the upgraded router as I was FTTP and I HAD to use that at the same price, I was given another number to ring for FTTP. On ringing I was told that I wasnít FTTP. The assistant was rude and basically told me I was making the FTTP up as their records showed I was not FTTP. I asked for a manager, who was actually helpful. I asked her to look at my neighbours records as I knew they had FTTP installed. She did this and then realising my neighbour had it, could not apologise enough. I was given the BT smarthub £60, and itís delivery £9.99 for free by way of an apology. I can only suggest you see if any of your neighbours have it and take it from there....
 
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Re: Village broadband and high-speed optic fibre
« Reply #735 on: January 10, 2018, 11:11:45 am »
Hi Pingucol.

We are also very interested in getting FTTP (and are also on Cab 3) but haven't been able to identify any neighbours who have managed to secure the service (they just haven't tried rather than have been refused) so if you do find someone then please let me know.

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Re: Village broadband and high-speed optic fibre
« Reply #736 on: January 11, 2018, 08:46:25 am »
It looks like I am on cabinet 24, if so. its the one on the A1000 ( or maybe its now the B1000, with all the pot holes), near Georges Wood Road. The checker link suggests that FFP is avaiable, but I called them a few months ago, and they told me that it is not avaiable?
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