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Changes to The Brookmans Park Newsletter
« on: February 19, 2018, 10:33:57 pm »
The Brookmans Park Newsletter and community forum will close at the end of June. The date marks the 20th anniversary of the site. The history and walks sections are being moved to new sites, The North Mymms History Project and Hertfordshire Walker, but the forum and the rest of the site will no longer be accessible from July 1, 2018. The site's Facebook page has been handed over to local resident James Bentall to manage. I'd like to thank all those who have worked so hard to make the Brookmans Park Newsletter a reality. The new history site has a feature about how the Brookmans Park Newsletter began.  The last 20 years have been great fun.
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Re: Changes to The Brookmans Park Newsletter
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2018, 09:22:01 am »
Sad day  :(
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Re: Changes to The Brookmans Park Newsletter
« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2018, 09:50:20 am »
It will be sorely missed. I've found it a great source of local information and entertaining debate. Thanks must go to Dave and all those who've provided this valuable community asset over the years.
 
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Re: Changes to The Brookmans Park Newsletter
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2018, 04:09:52 pm »
That will be a shame
 
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Re: Changes to The Brookmans Park Newsletter
« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2018, 05:12:16 pm »
Editor,

you have done a superb job with this award winning site. You deserve a break, and we thank you for all that you have done!
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Re: Changes to The Brookmans Park Newsletter
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2018, 06:17:02 pm »
Dont always agree with your views David but appreciate the amount of time and effort you have put in over the years.
 
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Re: Changes to The Brookmans Park Newsletter
« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2018, 06:27:00 pm »
Big Shame. Thanks for all the hard work and hours spent. BP
 
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Re: Changes to The Brookmans Park Newsletter
« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2018, 11:28:33 am »
A very sad ending to an iconic site. Inevitable due to the constraints inflicted by the EUSSR rules that have destroyed all freedom of expression on virtually every forum. Dilluted websites are a sad result of the snowflake generation that can take but not give.
What is awful is that the social history contributed over 20 years will be obliterated by the flick of a switch. A case for books and the written word, still we all know what happened to books in Nazi times so even they are not safe.
I would like to think that even those of us that crossed swords did not inflict wounds. Merely expressing contra views and in some cases playing the devils advocate.
As GREAT BRITAIN finally casts of the shackles of foreign interferance a great website will not even become history.
Like Friends Reunited where the history of millions is now a blank screen it could not survive the digital age that created it.
We should all now understand that the whole idea of computers was to control our lives, movements and finances. At the cost of freedom and to the advantage of international/national crime.
A fond farewell to all who contributed and to David Brewer who has worked, at personal risk, to bring communications to some awful places in the world. If only we had all tried harder to restore our ideals to Britain then this site would have had a future.
Still many of us gave up and ran away choosing a life other than in the best "new" village in Hertfordshire.
Still when you cannot even park your car or use a real pub locally.............
All the best from John in the Republic, which is just another state in western new Russia, that has been ethinically cleansed in the time it joined the club that it beat itself over the head with.
Rule Britannia, GSTQ and two fingers to Brussels.
 
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Re: Changes to The Brookmans Park Newsletter
« Reply #8 on: February 21, 2018, 11:50:31 am »
What is awful is that the social history contributed over 20 years will be obliterated by the flick of a switch.

Most of the content is being transferred to alternative platforms (although not the forum if that is what you're referring to)

 
 
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« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2018, 12:42:41 pm »
I realise that me old flower, not completely native here yet. The forum was the thoughts and writings of real people at the time. These things matter because they are real, right or wrong they are real.
I would suggest and open forum for the last week so people can have a say, that was the spirit of the thing and why people came to the site. A bit like the Amphitheatre of the past.
There is not one site, newspaper or any form of media that is not censored now. We let it happen.
The young have been let down by their shackled elders. We have less freedom than when we could not have a say.
 
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Re: Changes to The Brookmans Park Newsletter
« Reply #10 on: February 21, 2018, 02:32:51 pm »
What is awful is that the social history contributed over 20 years will be obliterated by the flick of a switch.

Hi jet, nice to hear from you again.

That doesn't need to happen. I am happy for anyone to move the entire forum over to another host. It's a three step operation that would preserve everything written so far and allow people to add to it. The new owner could even ditch the evil, restrictive and Big Brother censorship rules I have inflicted on the community for the past 15 years.

 ;)

I see the domain www.northmymms.uk is available for less then 10 a year. It just needs someone to take it on. I might even sign up as a forum member and learn to rant.   

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A reminder that moving the history stuff over to The North Mymms History Project, and the walks over to Hertfordshire Walker, is moving ahead nicely. Hard work, but worth it.

And North Mymms Parish Council now has a Local History link on their site (top of the page and last link on the right) that embeds the new history site into the local authority site. Screen grab below.
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Re: Changes to The Brookmans Park Newsletter
« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2018, 04:07:37 pm »
Hi Dave, well let us see if anyone in the community steps up. The rules " you inflicted " were I imagine, due to external politics and laws which were an unacceptable risk to yourself. You did a great thing by embracing new technology and I will be ever grateful for meeting people on the forum and in a few cases making real friends that I am still in touch with.
Also it is time for us 1950s crew to realise it ain't a rehearsal anymore and let others do their bit
 

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Re: Changes to The Brookmans Park Newsletter
« Reply #12 on: February 22, 2018, 07:43:58 am »
David,

I know you say you will hand the service over to another host, but you seem to suggest this would be on a different domain. Would you not hand the domain over too? Without that, I doubt any new site would gain any traction.

This site was good, excellent even, for a very long time. Sadly overly restrictive and inconsistently applied rules damaged it years ago.

John
 

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Re: Changes to The Brookmans Park Newsletter
« Reply #13 on: February 22, 2018, 08:20:13 am »
I know you say you will hand the service over to another host, but you seem to suggest this would be on a different domain. Would you not hand the domain over too? Without that, I doubt any new site would gain any traction.

Hi John, yes, if someone wants to take on running the forum they are welcome to transfer all the files to a new domain. If it's done quickly the old site can point to the new forum while it gets established. It's time for a fresh start. That is why I am moving all the history and walks material to new sites. The hosting for the current domain ends in July.

This site was good, excellent even, for a very long time. Sadly overly restrictive and inconsistently applied rules damaged it years ago.

I realise some didn't like the forum rules and felt they limited their freedom of expression. All I was trying to do was avoid anything being posted that was racist, sexist, or generally offensive to any members of our community. I was also concerned about defamation.

As for inconsistency, perhaps you are right, but each case where posts were edited or removed was considered carefully. The moderating team worked hard to reach a consensus. However, in the end, someone had to make a call. And, yes, I probably made mistakes by erring on the side of caution or just being wrong. Anyone who has taken on to run a community discussion forum will appreciate that it's a difficult, time-consuming and stressful task. I guess it's impossible to keep everyone happy. Apologies to anyone I offended because of the "overly restrictive and inconsistently applied rules".

David

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« Reply #14 on: February 22, 2018, 09:57:34 am »
All very well the site closing but I have been waiting a decade for someone to tell me something good the eu ever did for Britain.
Worth the wait to get that in  ;D
 

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« Reply #15 on: February 22, 2018, 03:20:38 pm »
I have been aware of Dave's plans for a couple of months and hope to keepthe forum (and other resources) going as it is a valuable resource that I have no wish to see removed. Not wanting to take anything away from Dave's hard work over the last 20 years, but I feel with a new team and some new ideas (hopefully not from me as I've also been around far too long!!) we could build a new online community resource for the local area. I would be interested in hearing from anyone else who would be willing to help with SonOfBrookmans.Com (working title!).

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Re: Changes to The Brookmans Park Newsletter
« Reply #16 on: February 22, 2018, 11:13:17 pm »
I will miss the Forum so much as it has been the source of much of my local knowledge. I feel bereft.

Thank you, David, for all your work over the years.  I have never felt the heavy hand of censorship.
 
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« Reply #17 on: February 23, 2018, 07:39:42 am »
I know you say you will hand the service over to another host, but you seem to suggest this would be on a different domain. Would you not hand the domain over too? Without that, I doubt any new site would gain any traction.

Hi John, yes, if someone wants to take on running the forum they are welcome to transfer all the files to a new domain.

I take it that means "no, you will not allow a new site to use the domain brookmans.com"
 

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« Reply #18 on: February 23, 2018, 10:39:39 am »
I can see pistols at dawn over the "vulture fund" site, real eu stuff. No one wants them because they are toxic but they go fast enough on the market.
One of the problems with this type of site is someone hijacking the thread, ne pas petite vielle moi.
BTW James is au fais with the running of the site, is a pillar of the community and an obvious choice, I am sure there would be willing deputies but ony one Marshal.
 

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Re: Changes to The Brookmans Park Newsletter
« Reply #19 on: February 23, 2018, 10:53:55 am »
I take it that means "no, you will not allow a new site to use the domain brookmans.com"

Correct. Time for a fresh start.

James has already suggested building a new resource for the local online community:

I feel with a new team and some new ideas (hopefully not from me as I've also been around far too long!!) we could build a new online community resource for the local area.

Such a "new online community resource" featuring "new ideas" put together by a "new team" deserves a new name and new domain. The old site and the old domain have done their job and served a purpose. Time to move on.
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« Reply #20 on: February 23, 2018, 11:52:16 am »
The comments about the EU brought a smile to my face. There's the famous scene in Monty Python's Life of Brian where a bunch of curmudgeonly dissidents from the People's Front of Judea (not to be confused with the Judean People's Front) complain "What have the Romans ever done for us?" Deja vu.
 
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Re: Changes to The Brookmans Park Newsletter
« Reply #21 on: February 23, 2018, 02:42:03 pm »
I know you say you will hand the service over to another host, but you seem to suggest this would be on a different domain. Would you not hand the domain over too? Without that, I doubt any new site would gain any traction.

Hi John, yes, if someone wants to take on running the forum they are welcome to transfer all the files to a new domain.

I take it that means "no, you will not allow a new site to use the domain brookmans.com"

I think it's fair to say that brookmans.com will be forever linked to Dave Brewer who ran the site as he saw fit

Once the forum is handed over it is absolutely right that the domain name changes, it will no longer be anything to do with Dave (although I hope he would still participate in the new forum)
 
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« Reply #22 on: February 23, 2018, 03:38:23 pm »
Nobby, so tell me what they have done for us, and really think before you jump. Here is one, destroyed Magna Carta which worked and inflicted ECOJ which cost a fortune and does not. In the long run the Romans destroyed our way of life. Bendy tracks are more fun than straight roads, they slow down the Chariots. Washing? destroys a good coating of grease and dirt.
 

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« Reply #23 on: February 26, 2018, 05:29:43 pm »
Sad to learn The Brookmans Park Newsletter will be going to cyber heaven.

Double thanks from me to David.

Firstly, as I believe this site (or rather the people behind it and using it) played a major role in the battle against the HCC-Veolia incinerator.

Secondly, for your BBC Online work which you might be interested to know, I thought highly of and used as my guide when I was unexpectedly asked to join the Post Office's first intranet team [as I told them at the time, I had no knowledge or interest in computers. And did they listen? (rhetorical question, no reply required)]. Also, when our regular newsfeed supplier was suddenly discontinued I used BBC Online content to create a stop gap (we were trying to encourage people to use the intranet and not everyone had internet access in those days).

Live long and prosper, David ex of the Beeb and People of the Park.
 
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Re: Changes to The Brookmans Park Newsletter
« Reply #24 on: February 27, 2018, 11:50:44 am »
An update to my previous message about the future of The Brookmans Park Newsletter.

I have been in discussions with The Positive Internet Company, the site's hosting company, and we have agreed a deal to maintain a stripped-down version of the site beyond July, when the current hosting package ends.

This means that, after July, www.brookmans.com will continue to offer links to the much of the valuable content that was previously on the site, but which, over the next few months, is being given a new home.

We will continue to showcase the topics being discussed in the forum until the forum closes at the end of June. If someone wants to move the forum to a new home, the site might continue to present links to the topics being discussed depending on the editorial standards adopted by the new site.

So, to summarise, keep your bookmarks for www.brookmans.com in order to continue to check local train times, weather, see any updated forum posts, monitor the new material being added to the history section and the blog, and be alerted to any new local information being posted in the blog.
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Re: Changes to The Brookmans Park Newsletter
« Reply #25 on: February 28, 2018, 05:24:16 pm »
We now have three lovely sites (my own subjective opinion there) where the content from the current site has been uploaded, updated, and enhanced. These sites will act as an archive for all that was on the old Brookmans Park Newsletter when we move to the new, stripped-down site in June. All three are being updated between now and June so that all the valuable material from the old site is safely preserved. The sites are:

The North Mymms History Project



Hertfordshire Walker



North Mymms News



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« Reply #26 on: February 28, 2018, 05:37:42 pm »
What will happen to all the photos David?
 

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« Reply #27 on: February 28, 2018, 06:51:01 pm »
Hi Helen,

Are you referring to the village day photos? I still have 1999 to 2003, but 2004 to 2006 were lost when Photopics closed. And I can't find the forum galleries created for 2009 to 2013, perhaps they disappeared during a forum upgrade. I will check with James who might know.

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« Reply #28 on: March 01, 2018, 12:31:13 pm »
Thanks David. Yes, it was just a general enquiry as to whether the photos will survive once the site closes at the end of June. The 2009-2013 ones were put on by me under your instruction. Shame some of the other years have been lost. I should really try to transfer them across to our PTA Facebook page - it's just finding the time.
 

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« Reply #29 on: March 01, 2018, 03:20:16 pm »
Thanks David. Yes, it was just a general enquiry as to whether the photos will survive once the site closes at the end of June. The 2009-2013 ones were put on by me under your instruction. Shame some of the other years have been lost. I should really try to transfer them across to our PTA Facebook page - it's just finding the time.

Hi Helen, yes, sorry, that was my fault for advising you to load the images for those years to the forum's gallery. I thought they were safe, but I have since found that the gallery has vanished. I've looked into it and it seems that the module that supported the gallery, created by Aeva Media, was removed by SMF (the forum provider) because of security issues. I am guessing that subsequent updates to SMF (which this forum runs on) didn't include the gallery. However, I have messaged James and he is going to see whether the files are still on the server, even if the gallery no longer renders. I hope they are because neither of us has deleted them.
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