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toothfairy

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Humanitarian Aid
« on: December 29, 2003, 12:04:40 pm »
Why is it that we, The UK, are the first to send out aid, and funding to third world countries, when the whole idea of the EU was to share these costs, and unite in major ecological or natural disasters?

Surely we should be looking closer to home first? - You dont see the Germans, French or even the Italians putting their hands up when these disasters occur..... Their Metro systems, medical and correctional facilities are working fine, hinting that they have things just right...? :-\

Ok, so Council Tax has risen, as has fuel, oil, and food and cigarettes.  We have spent Billions on the war in iraq and helping less fortunate countries, yet our transport systems are disastrous, and our NHS is almost as bad.  Pensions are worthless, mortgages last a lifetime, and 40% of your income is seized by the government.....  Hurrah, lets all stay here till we retire, so that we can live off a state pension on the bread line.

Who says crime doesnt pay? >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

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Re: Humanitarian Aid
« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2003, 12:50:57 pm »
We’re not the first
We’re not the only
This isn’t what the EU was set up for, although it does contribute too.
The French and Germans give as much as we do.
It has nothing to do with Iraq.
It has nothing to do with crime.

20,000 people have died. As many are homeless and would die without help. As a Christian country in the middle of one of Christianities two most important festivals, as the fourth richest nation on the planet, it is only right that we help others.



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« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2003, 01:07:48 pm »
Youre absolutely right, but surely we should prioritise, and help our own homeless, elderly and ex-forces first???





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Re: Humanitarian Aid
« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2003, 01:27:32 pm »
To be honest, I don't think it matters about when aid is given and what order its given as long as it is there. True we should sort our own nation out before we help others, but I think life is more important in this incidence. However you make it sound so easy to sort out our nation. What do you propose should happen?






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Re: Humanitarian Aid
« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2003, 01:44:26 pm »
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Youre absolutely right, but surely we should prioritise, and help our own homeless, elderly and ex-forces first???



OK, I'm intrigued, why do you specify 'ex-forces' rather than any other unemployed person? and I'm not trolling, it's a genuine question





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Re: Humanitarian Aid
« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2003, 01:46:15 pm »
Yea y have you said that. Surely it would make sense to improve a more generalised service before looking to imprve specific areas.









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« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2003, 01:58:05 pm »
Apologies, i didnt mean to specify.  It was a general statement, though what i did mean, was retired ex-forces.  Nevertheless, you are correct, and we should support all of our TEXTgenuineTEXT unemployable or homeless.






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« Reply #7 on: December 29, 2003, 03:15:53 pm »
Today, right now, 20,000 people are homeless and will die if they do not get help. They are not in a position to wait until we have sorted out all of our problems. So while we sit in our expensive homes, type on our expensive computers, overeat, watch telly and drive ½ a mile to the shops we have to realise that it isn’t a choice between helping our own or helping others. It is more than possible for us to do both.








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« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2003, 03:24:42 pm »
but we dont do both, and we dont have ANY control over that.  Our Government does.  And Yes, we should do both.

Where are the German Aid workers?

Where are the French Aid workers?

Where are the Irish Aid workers?

I hear what your saying, but it always seems to be us stepping up first.












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« Reply #9 on: December 29, 2003, 04:08:35 pm »
Not sure that the UK were the first and they are certainly not alone.

I have just done a Google on "Aid for Iran".  Some of it makes quite interesting reading -  there are lot of people from a lot of countries helping.

I have no doubt searching Medicin sans Frontiere, the Red Cross, Red Crescent and other agencies would also show up the multinational nature of the aid that is being sent to Iran.

I wish all of the well in their endeavours to help the Iranians.

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Re: Humanitarian Aid
« Reply #10 on: December 29, 2003, 05:15:16 pm »
Well I think its all to do with the EU.
The whole thing has been a disaster to this island.
It is a constant financial and spiritual drain which works like any parasite by weakening the host until there is nothing left.
The "war" in Iraq was purely political and our countries involvement was led by one person who has aspirations as the Emporer of Europe.
Already he takes the praise for Gadafis "surrender" of WMDs. Soon they will be getting aid.
The disaster in Iran? well so what, it happens, basically due to the countries geographical location. If they do not want to develop means to deal with the inevitable why should the rest of the world care.
This country is now bankrupt, its "wealth" based on manipulated property prices. We no longer have the ability to sustain ourselfs let alone maintain cultural identity.
This is all about as dangerous as it gets.
We are isolated in Europe and England awaits its division into regions.
Whats all this to do with BP well its the type of people that live here that are wealth creators, although greedy we do put more in to the communial pot than we take out. We demand nothing from our government at any level yet provide the finance which is used to denigrate us and destroy our way of life.
As for the EU I am still awaiting advice from anyone as to any advantage that membership has provided.
I mean they all love us don't they not.
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Re: Humanitarian Aid
« Reply #11 on: December 29, 2003, 05:54:30 pm »
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but we dont do both, and we dont have ANY control over that.  Our Government does.  And Yes, we should do both.

Where are the German Aid workers?

Where are the French Aid workers?

Where are the Irish Aid workers?

I hear what your saying, but it always seems to be us stepping up first.


Umm...


http://www.payvand.com/news/03/dec/1198.html




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« Reply #12 on: December 29, 2003, 06:00:49 pm »
Metaphorically, the relationship between the EU and the UK is much like one of my previous relationships.

She loved me for my money while it lasted, but sucked the life out of me (in a way that was not the way i would have preferred!), drained my bank account, infested me with illegal immigrants, then left me sobbing and bleeding in the gutter, with very little self confidence and low self esteem.

Think of the big picture jet has mentioned, and make it smaller.  You work your whole life, slaving away for the system.  You pay your taxes, bills, interest rates, taxes, insurances, and taxes, and what do you get out of the government? - A worthless pension, a run down council property, and a mugging or your handbag snatched because of so called "Lack of Government Funding".

The UK Pays out for all this aid, post war repairs, military action, deaths of service men and women, and what do we get? - A Kick in the nuts, and nothing but take from the illegals in this country, and their fifteen brothers, twelve sisters, thirty two uncles, and a dog wanting to come and join them.  But hey, lets put them all in a £500,000 house, give them a mobile phone, car and a job.  Oh, and dont forget the jobseekers allowance.!   Whinge over.! :-[








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« Reply #13 on: December 29, 2003, 06:03:42 pm »
Point Made Swan!!!  But there are more than three countries in the EU. - And we were still first on the scene (bar the Iranian Red Crescent Society).

Good news clip though.







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Re: Humanitarian Aid
« Reply #14 on: December 29, 2003, 06:18:25 pm »
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Point Made Swan!!!  But there are more than three countries in the EU. - And we were still first on the scene (bar the Iranian Red Crescent Society).

Good news clip though.


Yes we are generally at these disasters quickly, and that says a great deal about the individuals in the UK, as does the enormous amount given to charity every year (for projects both at home and abroad).

Correct me if I'm wrong but the rapid response of specialist 'Rescuers' is not organised by goverment but by charitable institutions and others.
We as a people are generous with our time and money, I can't see that this is a bad thing

But I agree that we do need to direct more towards our own problems







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« Reply #15 on: December 29, 2003, 06:20:49 pm »
And the Aid charities are partly funded with grants from the govenment....!









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« Reply #16 on: December 29, 2003, 06:30:07 pm »
I am allways suspicious of the motives of individuals and governments that blow their own trumpets in an effort to compete in the benevolence stakes.
They display a warped form of Christian charity by helping those who should help themseves while those nearest are neglected.
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Re: Humanitarian Aid
« Reply #17 on: December 29, 2003, 06:43:10 pm »
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I am allways suspicious of the motives of individuals and governments that blow their own trumpets in an effort to compete in the benevolence stakes.
They display a warped form of Christian charity by helping those who should help themseves while those nearest are neglected.
regards,
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"Lodda work for charidy, bud I don' like to talk aboud it mate" type of thing, yes it does leave a bad taste in the mouth

I've always thought you should carefully choose the charities you want to donate to, and then 'give at source' and avoid those donation boxes like the plague









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Re: Humanitarian Aid
« Reply #18 on: December 31, 2003, 08:16:00 pm »
I think you need to narrow down the point of this thread, because I’m getting lost. Is it a rant against the UK giving money to overseas disasters while there are problems at home, a rant against other countries giving less or arriving later, a rant against illegal indigents (and possibly asylum seekers), a rant against the EU and the British contribution, a rant against the plans for regional assemblies or a rant about the Iraqi war? All of which have been mentioned. All of these things are interesting and worth discussing while we digest the last of the turkey, but they are pretty much unconnected. On the other hand, if  it’s just a rant then I’ll read something a little more structured and interesting.








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Re: Humanitarian Aid
« Reply #19 on: January 01, 2004, 12:49:34 pm »
The following  charities are taking online donations for the disaster relief at Bam.

The International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies has launched a preliminary appeal for $12.3 million to assist survivors.

Donations can be made via their websites http://www.ifrc.org, but they only take donations in US dollars, euros, and Swiss francs, so its best to go to the UK operation at http://www.redcross.org.uk, where you can donate in £s using your credit card.

The UK branch of the United Nations Children's Fund (Unicef), which says it has already sent more than 40 tons of aid, is taking donates online at http://www.unicef.org.uk.

International aid charity Islamic Relief http://www.islamic-relief.com and World Vision http://www.wvi.org are also taking donations.

Children of Persia, donate blankets and winter clothing at locations detailed online http://www.childrenofpersia.org.

Medicins Sans Frontieres http://www.msf.org and World Concern http://www.worldconcern.org are two other charities working in the area and taking donations online.

A quick click through these links offers a moving and humbling insight into the work already underway, and an opportunity to be part of it.

The Children of Persia site http://www.childrenofpersia.org has a disturbing image of a man leaning over a child and weaping. The dirt caked on his fingers suggest he has been digging in the rubble and clay. I can't even begin to think how I would cope in that situation.

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Re: Humanitarian Aid
« Reply #20 on: January 01, 2004, 01:38:46 pm »
As you might have noticed, I have changed the title of this thread throughout to try to keep it from straying over to another discussion on Europe.

Any references to Europe and aid are still welcome, but if people want to discuss their views on the rights and wrongs of the EU there are already a number of discussion threads and votes underway, such as:

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