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Re: Garden Waste Collection Charge
« Reply #90 on: February 04, 2017, 01:59:29 pm »
How will they check? I am not proposing doing this, but...

What if I bury potato and carrot peelings, broccoli stalks and onion skins under leaves and garden waste in my brown bin. Have the refuse collectors got time to dig deep to check? And what if the spuds, carrots and broccoli were grown in my garden (garden waste) and were uncooked and, therefore, not, technically, food waste?

And will they examine the contents of my black bin to check there is an average amount of food waste in there? Do I dispose of the food waste in plastic or black bin bags and tie them up before dumping in the black bin?

And how will they know which brown bins belong to households that have paid the annual Ł35 fee? Will they be bar coded?  Will the refuse collectors have scanners to check? What's to stop someone driving around on a Wednesday night and dumping their garden waste in any brown bin?

I am sure there is an expensive council brochure explaining all the above. if anyone has a copy, or a link, please post.

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Re: Garden Waste Collection Charge
« Reply #91 on: February 05, 2017, 10:24:59 pm »

And will they examine the contents of my black bin to check there is an average amount of food waste in there?

I think Cathy already answered this point:

There will not exactly be a contamination problem because of food going in the residual (black bin) waste, as this waste will all go (unsorted) to landfill or incineration.


 

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Re: Garden Waste Collection Charge
« Reply #92 on: February 06, 2017, 07:32:17 am »
I think Cathy already answered this point:

Thanks Adrian, but that answer you quoted from Cathy is about a different point. I was asking a question about how they will check we are abiding by the rules; mine was not a question about how the waste is dealt with or the issue of food contamination.

I have yet to see answers to the question of how they will check will are disposing of food waste according to the new rules.

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Re: Garden Waste Collection Charge
« Reply #93 on: February 06, 2017, 08:31:17 am »
I'm assuming that as the waste is unsorted, nobody is looking.
 

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Re: Garden Waste Collection Charge
« Reply #94 on: February 06, 2017, 10:27:25 am »
I have also been wondering about vegetable waste - if I grow my own veg am I allowed to put the outer leaves / stalks etc. in my brown bin? How will anyone tell whether these are home grown on from the local supermarket?
 

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Re: Garden Waste Collection Charge
« Reply #95 on: February 06, 2017, 12:58:49 pm »

I have yet to see answers to the question of how they will check will are disposing of food waste according to the new rules.


Possibly they may carry out some random checks - starting with people with gardens and not signed up to the new scheme.






It appears that some are missing the point.




The usual primary purpose of taxation is to raise money for the coffers (taxation is also a useful tool in protecting embryonic / strategic industries and modifying behaviour - by increasing the price to deter actions deemed 'harmful' or undesirable, an example of that being the landfill escalator tax).




In the interests of maximising returns to the public purse, a tax should be easy and inexpensive to collect and difficult to avoid / evade.




The current bins collections - and transport and disposal of collected waste - is not free. This work is done and paid for through council tax and any grant / subsidy from county or central government (who in turn get the money to do that mainly through taxation, licensing  and fines).




Now there are perfectly understandable reasons for increasing council tax - such as, government grant cuts, increases in the minimum wage, and increased demand for services.




I'd argue that the logical and sensible course of action is for WHC to increase Council tax by Ł35 rather than create a separate 'tax', which will need additional resources to create, administer and enforce.




The argument is reinforced by the high probability of increased fly-tipping, bonfires, greater use of facilities, like Cole Green...generating additional work and costs. Plus, there will be some households which will opt out. All of which reduces the tax take / money available.




Common sense does not have any political affiliation or axe to grind.




Consequently, for WHC to proceed along this path suggests some other motivation - possibly a general policy shift towards pay-as-you-go council services; an intention to further reduce local government (as far as waste services go it would make more economic sense to organise and run on a much larger scale than district or even county level); an intention to create additional payment / income streams for political purposes (previous governments have claimed not to have raised / cut income tax - while increasing NI contributions, imposing VAT, increasing VAT..., and assume the electorate is too stupid to figure out the sleight of hand); to provide sufficient quantities of waste for the Hoddesdon incinerator (if the contract with Veolia is like the New Barnfield one, HCC would be liable for penalties if they didn't provide a guaranteed tonnage of waste annually - a liability that would ultimately be paid for by residents - which would have a political cost); or some other reason.


I think I've finally figured out the logic behind this - apparently councils are capped by central government as to how much they can raise council tax in a year.


So this is possibly part of someone's cunning plan to create additional income streams that can be raised above and beyond any increases to Council tax.


And it also offers multiple opportunities to raise funds through fines - from flytippers and catching people attempting to circumvent the new charge by putting garden waste into their black bins (which would require something like... ooh! Random checks (and / or a Shop-Thy-Neighbour reward scheme).  >:D
 

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Re: Garden Waste Collection Charge
« Reply #96 on: February 08, 2017, 01:52:58 pm »

Rubbish fly-tipped outside Welwyn cemetery
http://www.whtimes.co.uk/news/rubbish_fly_tipped_outside_welwyn_cemetery_1_4878015


Hmm...judging from the 'green' content it looks like someone is practising before the charge is introduced.
 

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Re: Garden Waste Collection Charge
« Reply #97 on: Yesterday at 11:29:43 am »

‘Welwyn Hatfield election shake-up could save thousands’
"Welwyn Hatfield council chiefs are wilfully refusing to make a simple change to the election system that could make major financial savings and boost turnout, opposition critics have claimed."
http://www.whtimes.co.uk/news/welwyn_hatfield_election_shake_up_could_save_thousands_1_4895860


Hmm...there's no confirmation or denial of the opposition claim that there's potentially significant savings to be made.
 

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