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Re: Dog mess and the health risks
« Reply #210 on: October 04, 2010, 11:29:13 am »
What has amused me however is PS's ability to have a dig at John's views on civil liberties under a thread headed , "Dog mess and the health risks" . That's quite an achievement .

Indeed !!

However, its a question of perspective - what is important in the overall scheme of things !! Dogs [and associated pooh] have been around for thousands of years, so there is nothing new. Imagine the horse owners having to muck out each morning, or the farmers having to deal with all different pooh flavourings - do they kick up a fuss ? 
 

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« Reply #211 on: October 04, 2010, 11:48:51 am »
Imagine the horse owners having to muck out each morning, or the farmers having to deal with all different pooh flavourings - do they kick up a fuss ? 

Good point, however this all happens on their private land.

Thankfully not on the grass verge outside my house.
 

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Re: Dog mess and the health risks
« Reply #212 on: October 04, 2010, 02:13:04 pm »
Good point, however this all happens on their private land.

Thankfully not on the grass verge outside my house.


No - it just happems on the roads and streets when the riders and gypsies decide to take their horses for a stroll - and much bigger dollops than dog pooh !!
 

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Re: Dog mess and the health risks
« Reply #213 on: October 04, 2010, 02:43:43 pm »
Not sure whether horse manure is as dangerous as dog faeces - I did a bit of searching online and the general feeling is that it is not. Perhaps down to the veggie aspect of their diet.

Back to the topic, though, it seems to me that there are a small number of dog owners who can't be bothered clearing up. I have a couple of really good pals who are dog owners and they are meticulous in their efforts to remove any trace. Of course, they can't (which is why I suggested the exclusive exercise areas for dogs) but at least they do their best.
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Re: Dog mess and the health risks
« Reply #214 on: October 04, 2010, 04:47:38 pm »
As Winston Chihuahua once famously said -

"Never in the field of doggy doo has so much been said about so little"
 

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« Reply #215 on: October 04, 2010, 05:07:19 pm »
He also said a fanatic is someone who won't change his mind and won't change the subject.
 

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Re: Dog mess and the health risks
« Reply #216 on: October 04, 2010, 09:06:22 pm »
Over here, it's a $150 fine for not carrying a poo bag, another $150 if you're dog isn't registered and another $150 if you've not got your dog on a lead in a public place. (Brisbane City Council).

By the way, bird poo is more dangerous than dog poo..especially pigeons...ask any Council, they call them flying rats.  I live on the coast, and the climbing apparatus in the children's park are constantly covered in seagull and ibis poo.
 

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Re: Dog mess and the health risks
« Reply #217 on: October 04, 2010, 10:06:42 pm »
By the way, bird poo is more dangerous than dog poo..especially pigeons...ask any Council, they call them flying rats.  I live on the coast, and the climbing apparatus in the children's park are constantly covered in seagull and ibis poo.

Hmph - interesting : I wonder if there is such paranoia in the seaside towns around the country.

Perhaps Dogs are being singled out - and I thought there were laws against discrimination in the UK !!    8)
 

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Re: Dog mess and the health risks
« Reply #218 on: October 05, 2010, 05:48:15 am »
Yes, we all produce waste in one way or other....look at the pollution we cause, oil spills, lead in the air etc, but the animals and birds can't talk back to us and have to put up with it.

With the dog mess in BP, owners fault.  Pigeon poo that turns to dust can be extremely harmful.
 

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Re: Dog mess and the health risks
« Reply #219 on: October 05, 2010, 08:52:48 pm »

I think the thing is that dog owners should not allow their dogs to go in any public place at all.  I think they should use their own back garden and then take the dog out for 'exercise' (Meaning walking etc!)


Would you like to start a local training class to teach our dogs when and where to go, on command?

Can I point out, as has already been touched upon, that it is not just dogs that make a mess. How many of you (who are clearly not dog lovers) own a cat? Does it ever occur to you where your cat does its business? How about on our freshly dug vegetable patches where we intend on growing food!? (I could include photos of this, but will leave it to your imaginations) So perhaps we could all extend this witch hunt to the cat owners of the area too.

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Re: Dog mess and the health risks
« Reply #220 on: October 05, 2010, 09:02:31 pm »

Would you like to start a local training class to teach our dogs when and where to go, on command?


No I wouldn't!
It does seem that some (not all) owners know the times their dogs are likely to want to defecate and take them out accordingly (armed with bags!).  I imagine they are mostly creatures of habit.
From what I know Guide dogs are trained not to foul our streets and parks



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Re: Dog mess and the health risks
« Reply #221 on: October 05, 2010, 09:12:37 pm »
Yes I agree with you; however as I'm sure you understand, not all dogs need to go straight away, and it is quite often the walking that stimulates their bowel movement, something not necessary achieved by walking around a garden.
 

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« Reply #222 on: October 05, 2010, 10:24:22 pm »
I don't know of a single owner who would tolerate their dog defecating in thier living room. Therefore owners do have some control over where the deed is done.
 

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Re: Dog mess and the health risks
« Reply #223 on: October 06, 2010, 07:30:50 am »
In my view the issue is simple.

  • Dog owners love their dogs and enjoy walking them and should continue to do so.
  • Dogs can be trained to hold on until they are in the right place to defecate.
  • Currently, there is no dedicated place for this to happen.
  • As a result dogs have no option but to defecate in public places where people walk, play and picnic.

Would it not make sense to set aside a proper area where the dogs could socialise and exercise and where their droppings could be collected hygenically? And would it not be in the interest of all if the appropriate council - not sure which it would fall to - considered the creation and maintenance of such areas for each community of a certain size? I am sure we would qualify.

Perhaps Bob H could advise whether - in the case of Gobions and Moffats Open Spaces - this would fall to North Mymms Parish, Welwyn Hatfield Borough or Herts County?
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Re: Dog mess and the health risks
« Reply #224 on: October 06, 2010, 07:42:24 am »
What if you wanted to walk my dog to the shop or the school and not to the "designated dog park."

I pick up after my dog and always tackle people that don't so why should I not be allowed to walk my dog where I want to.

Maybe you would like to let me know where I could take my children out to play - do they need a "designated childrens zone" where they can play and talk loudly without disturbing you.

I agree that people not picking up their dogs mmess is a problem, but tackle them, don't punish all the responsible owners who do.


 

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Re: Dog mess and the health risks
« Reply #225 on: October 06, 2010, 08:39:15 am »
What if you wanted to walk my dog to the shop or the school and not to the "designated dog park."

I pick up after my dog and always tackle people that don't so why should I not be allowed to walk my dog where I want to.

Maybe you would like to let me know where I could take my children out to play - do they need a "designated childrens zone" where they can play and talk loudly without disturbing you.

I agree that people not picking up their dogs mmess is a problem, but tackle them, don't punish all the responsible owners who do.



Hi Saffie,

Of course you should be free to walk your dog wherever you want. I actually enjoy it when invited to walk with one of my pals across the fields with his dog. It's great to see a dog and owner out and about and enjoying the countryside.

All I am suggesting is that it would be good to have designated areas where dogs can defecate hygenically. If other local authorities can do it then why can't we?

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Re: Dog mess and the health risks
« Reply #226 on: October 06, 2010, 09:30:19 am »
But surely responsible owners would use those areas, leaving irresponsible owners to continue to do as they pleased - just as now. It would make no difference at all. (And responsible owners also worm their dogs.)

It doesn't take many irresponsible dog owners to create a problem. One dog = one or two messes a day, which each last perhaps a week (I've not studied the subject!). If that one person takes their dog to Gobions every day, that's immediately 7-14 yucky spots from one dog ;D  Surely it's those (few?) people who should be targetted to resolve the problem. 

PS Can't something be done about those pesky geese  ;)
 

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Re: Dog mess and the health risks
« Reply #227 on: October 06, 2010, 02:35:41 pm »

PS Can't something be done about those pesky geese  ;)


I would prefer it if something was done about the fishermen first, what a bunch of miserable men!!!!  I know of a number of cases of dog walkers being verbally abused by them, one elderly women was in tears one day after her dog got "too close" to one of them and he kicked it.  How are these men allowed to behave like this.

Back to dog mess:
I suggest that if people see dog poo not being picked up in Gobions, they simply ask the owners to do it.  I do this and hand them one of my poo bags and wait till I know it has been collected. 

 

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Re: Dog mess and the health risks
« Reply #228 on: October 06, 2010, 04:51:05 pm »

PS Can't something be done about those pesky geese  ;)


Poor bloke - he's getting the blame for everything round here!!!   :) :icon_jokercolor:
 

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Re: Dog mess and the health risks
« Reply #229 on: October 06, 2010, 06:52:04 pm »
Would it not make sense to set aside a proper area where the dogs could socialise and exercise and where their droppings could be collected hygenically? And would it not be in the interest of all if the appropriate council - not sure which it would fall to - considered the creation and maintenance of such areas for each community of a certain size? I am sure we would qualify.

Perhaps Bob H could advise whether - in the case of Gobions and Moffats Open Spaces - this would fall to North Mymms Parish, Welwyn Hatfield Borough or Herts County?

Gobions and Moffats Open Spaces are owned by the parish council so it would be their decision for those open spaces.  The groundsmen are already paid extra to empty the dog litter bins.  I hate to think how much extra they would have to be paid to clean up a whole compound - assuming they were willing to do it

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Re: Dog mess and the health risks
« Reply #230 on: October 06, 2010, 08:58:33 pm »

The groundsmen are already paid extra to empty the dog litter bins.  I hate to think how much extra they would have to be paid to clean up a whole compound - assuming they were willing to do it


But if a dedicated exercise area were to be introduced wouldn't that mean that the existing dog litter bins would be used less leaving the groundsmen more time to attend to the new responsibilities?
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Re: Dog mess and the health risks
« Reply #231 on: October 07, 2010, 07:44:58 am »
Would it not make sense to set aside a proper area where the dogs could socialise and exercise and where their droppings could be collected hygenically? And would it not be in the interest of all if the appropriate council - not sure which it would fall to - considered the creation and maintenance of such areas for each community of a certain size? I am sure we would qualify.

Is this not a bit like creating an area for the public to drop litter? No, no, no. Pity the person responsible for clearing up other people's dog poo. The irresponsible owners will still ignore the 'rules' anyway, that's what they do already.
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Re: Dog mess and the health risks
« Reply #232 on: October 07, 2010, 11:09:18 am »
But if a dedicated exercise area were to be introduced wouldn't that mean that the existing dog litter bins would be used less leaving the groundsmen more time to attend to the new responsibilities?

It could have the 'M25' effect of attracting more business (ho ho) than before.  The parish council might have to buy a tractor with a huge shovel at the front to clean up the area, or is my imagination running wild?

I wonder what the RVC did before they built the car park between the Queen Mother Hospital and the road.  That area used to be a dog exercising area.

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Re: Dog mess and the health risks
« Reply #233 on: October 07, 2010, 11:41:56 am »
It would be interesting to know what procedures are used at South Ridge RSPCA - they must exercise fifty or more dogs at least once a day - so they must know how to deal with the problem
 

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Re: Dog mess and the health risks
« Reply #234 on: October 08, 2010, 05:45:40 pm »
It would be interesting to know what procedures are used at South Ridge RSPCA - they must exercise fifty or more dogs at least once a day - so they must know how to deal with the problem

At the RVC, they used to exercise the dogs on leads and pick up as soon as the dog had a poo.  So you are still reliant on people to pick up after their dogs. 

You can't honestly think that you can close most of Gobions off to dogs, just because of a few selfish people we all get punished!!!!

If you see someone not picking up JUST TELL THEM TOO!!!
 

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Re: Dog mess and the health risks
« Reply #235 on: October 09, 2010, 06:00:24 pm »
It always makes me retch when I see dog owners picking up still steaming dog poo with bare hands albeit within plastic bags. Do they realise that most polythene is slightly permeable??? Yuck!!! Huey and Ralph! At least wear a rubber glove or something.

Some then walk along swinging the bag's contents to and fro as if to advertise " Look at me, I've collected my dog's Poo but let's all share in the experience". IMO it's not a nice one and the thought of it makes me feel quite ill.  :o

I agree with removing your dog's poo but please do it discreetely and please scrub your hands afterwards.
 

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« Reply #236 on: October 09, 2010, 06:39:35 pm »
It always makes me retch when I see dog owners picking up still steaming dog poo with bare hands albeit within plastic bags. Do they realise that most polythene is slightly permeable??? Yuck!!! Huey and Ralph! At least wear a rubber glove or something.

Some then walk along swinging the bag's contents to and fro as if to advertise " Look at me, I've collected my dog's Poo but let's all share in the experience". IMO it's not a nice one and the thought of it makes me feel quite ill.  :o

I agree with removing your dog's poo but please do it discreetely and please scrub your hands afterwards.

Bedlam, Have you also seen the plastic bags, hanging from trees or in the hedge.

The lazy owners can't even be bothered to dispose of the bag properly, just leave it for somebody else to do.

I know there are a lot of good pet owners out there in Brookmans Park, but also there are a lot of people who do not understand how to conduct themselves in a civilised society.

What about the trend to clear your throat and spit on the floor, Nice . I was standing next to a hoodie on Finsbury Park station last week when I was nearly spat on.

Please tell me I am not turning into a grumpy old man!!
 

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Re: Dog mess and the health risks
« Reply #237 on: October 09, 2010, 08:36:29 pm »
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Bedlam, Have you also seen the plastic bags, hanging from trees or in the hedge.

The lazy owners can't even be bothered to dispose of the bag properly, just leave it for somebody else to do.

Makes me want to puke too, same as the knobs that litter the bottle/can Recycling Area in Welham Green and other areas.

 

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Re: Dog mess and the health risks
« Reply #238 on: October 10, 2010, 08:38:58 am »
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It always makes me retch when I see dog owners picking up still steaming dog poo with bare hands albeit within plastic bags. Do they realise that most polythene is slightly permeable??? Yuck!!! Huey and Ralph! At least wear a rubber glove or something.

Some then walk along swinging the bag's contents to and fro as if to advertise " Look at me, I've collected my dog's Poo but let's all share in the experience". IMO it's not a nice one and the thought of it makes me feel quite ill. 

I agree with removing your dog's poo but please do it discretely and please scrub your hands afterwards.

So not only are you moaning that not enough people pick it up (which I fully agree with) but you're also moaning about HOW we pick it up? Sorry if it offends you so much, but really, which would you prefer? If we don't pick it up - we face a fine & the wrath of all the local cat owners who choose to turn a blind eye to where their pets defecate, then start hate campaigns against all dog owners, OR we do pick it up, and run the risk of making you feel ill, ... I'm sorry, but I know what I'd rather do!  For the record I would like to add that I carry antibacterial wipes with me, however I really don't see what it has to do with you, or anyone else.

Next time I see someone wiping their baby’s bottom I might ask them to refrain from doing so, as it might "make me retch".


 

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Re: Dog mess and the health risks
« Reply #239 on: October 11, 2010, 02:10:18 pm »
Thanks Emma, I had been meaning to log on all day to post such a reply.

Bedlam - I can't believe that you moan about dogs pooing and people not picking it up and then you moan about the owners picking it and their technique!!! 

Now also dog walkers are not allowed to swing their arms while walking as this offends you too as they might be carrying a bag of dog poo in one hand.  Did it not occur to you that these people are not swinging their bag of dog poo with pride, this is just the way their arms move when they walk!!!!!!

I will swinging my dog poo bag now with renewed vigour just to annoy you small minded people, who no one seems to be able to make happy.

 

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