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Re: The general election and local issues
« Reply #30 on: April 09, 2010, 01:18:13 pm »
BNP on the other hand, are not yet proven, but either MUST be a better alternative than the Labour Party

I don't think this follows at all. I can't believe the BNP could ever be a better alternative to Labour. Not that I'm disagreeing with your observations about how we've been let down by Labour - but let's keep things in perspective.





 

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« Reply #31 on: April 09, 2010, 01:41:17 pm »
Well Sasquartch, I am sure that the BNP will gain more and more votes as the electorate, feeling badly let down by the Labour Party, will start to look for alternatives. Probably not enough to make them a formidable party at the moment, but the mood is changing. 

But I am pretty certain that the Tories however, will do a far better job than the spent Labour Party - that really has nothing new to offer, but more of the same.
 

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Re: The general election and local issues
« Reply #32 on: April 09, 2010, 05:58:48 pm »
If you want to see who you should vote for: follow this link for 30 questions on your views:


http://www.votematch.org.uk/2010/index
 

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Re: The general election and local issues
« Reply #33 on: April 09, 2010, 07:37:42 pm »
Hi Angel, great quiz, thanks for drawing attention to it.

As a floating voter I came out with a 56% match for the Lib Dems, 40% as a Labour supporter, and 35% as a Tory (no idea why this adds up to 131%).

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Re: The general election and local issues
« Reply #34 on: April 09, 2010, 09:38:20 pm »
Be interesting to see what Mike Hobday and Grant Shapps came out as if they did that quiz. My guess would be Lib Dems.

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Re: The general election and local issues
« Reply #35 on: April 10, 2010, 01:20:28 am »
Having not posted on this site for over a year I just have put digit to keyboard and congratulate our resident Nu Liebourite on his parties greatest achievement in 13 years.
That is the export of millions of once succesful professional, business persons and patriots such as myself to virtually everywhere else in the world.
And why? Because they made Great Britain the pits.
Educational success? Dumbing down and condemning of young people to endemic failure unless their parents can pay.
Law and Order? Fines for those who have cash and warnings for those who don't.
Health? Yes for the treatment of the worlds sick at the cost of the indegenous population. By Drs that don't have to speak the language by EU law.
State pensions? Half the official poverty line.
Transport? At a standstill. Public transport outside London is virtually unafordable.
Pollution? Never been worse despite all the silly spin on Global warming, climate change etc.
Infrastructure? Beyond its recovery limit, water that need filtering at the users tap.
Population? Increased beyond humane levels. ( Ghettos come to mind in inner Cities  )
Finance? The Champagne socialists dipping their beaks while the majority loose their shareholdings, tax relief and savings interest.
Taxation? One stealth tax after another to pay for the European old boys club.
Sterling? Sacrificed so that the favoured few can export trash to their cronies and the rest have to buy imported rubish. With the side effect being high fuel costs and raw materials for all.
Fishing? While British boats are decommissoned and fishermen go on the scrap heap the EU spends 80% of the finance available on new trawlers for mainland Europe to rape our seas.
Farming? similar.
Employment? Any fool can see that there are 10 million out of work. The only increse in employment has been in Government quangos.
War? A money pit of a war which would achieve nothing if it was succesfull and is likely to alienate Britain with the rest of the world and most of its own population.
No need to go on as all the above and virtually every other possible subject pertaining to the Government is one big failure.
Final message, everyone who votes against the Tories ie LD in particular is signing this countries final death warrant. Anything other than a Strong Tory Government will not work.
Super rant from over the water over.................
 

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« Reply #36 on: April 10, 2010, 06:04:26 am »
No need to go on as all the above and virtually every other possible subject pertaining to the Government is one big failure.

Posting by Jet : Brilliant, just brilliant, and all in a nutshell  : so very true and so very sad. Our once great nation raped and pillaged so much by the Labour Party in just 13 years.

I suspect that now puts an end to any response from Mike Hobdays Labour Party in is defence.


 

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Re: The general election and local issues
« Reply #37 on: April 10, 2010, 09:20:13 am »
I'd be interested to know if we have any younger forum members who could be voting for the first time as to whether they will vote and how they make their decision? 

a)  Do you vote the way your parents do?

b)  Do you read up all the literature, and then make a decision?

c)  Do you judge by personality?

d)  Will you not vote at all?

Hope I get some responses  :)
 

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Re: The general election and local issues
« Reply #38 on: April 10, 2010, 10:01:34 am »
Hi Angel,

You should add a proper poll to the thread with those questions. That way you can see responses. We can also tweet it and put it on the facebook group.

Just click on the 'add poll' button (which looks like this)  and enter those questions.

Or you could start a new threat 'Voting intentions of first time voters - a poll'.

and then add your poll to the new thread.

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Re: The general election and local issues
« Reply #39 on: April 10, 2010, 11:54:39 am »
Thanks David

I started a new thread as I think only the thread starter / moderators can add a poll so that would be for you I think
 

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Re: The general election and local issues
« Reply #40 on: April 11, 2010, 04:08:46 am »
This is an idea only - remember the time when the Forum used to have a "sensitivity" monitor that reflected the posters attitude towards a particular posting -  I believe a thumbs up or down ??(if my memory serves me correctly ?)

Purely for this topic and only until the General Election, would it be a useful idea to re-introduce this so as to gauge popular support or otherwise against a poster's point of view ? This way, perhaps the BP Forum would have a gauge as to the voters intention based on these published comments ?

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Re: The general election and local issues
« Reply #41 on: April 11, 2010, 08:42:07 am »
Hi PS,

It is called the karma rating, but I am not sure it would be a good measure of issue reaction; the feeling when we last had it working on the site was that it was more to do with reaction to the person posting, rather than the particular topic they were posting about.

So I am not sure it would serve the purpose you are suggesting.

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Re: The general election and local issues
« Reply #42 on: April 11, 2010, 09:59:44 am »
PS  You could always set up a poll as to how people might vote:  As anonymous, it should be ok.

I know we have the usual three parties plus Green and UKIP not sure of any other independents

http://www.eadt.co.uk/news/politics/general_election_welwyn_hatfield_times_to_host_question_time_event_1_211849
 

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Re: The general election and local issues
« Reply #43 on: April 11, 2010, 11:52:34 pm »
Be interesting to see what Mike Hobday and Grant Shapps came out as if they did that quiz. My guess would be Lib Dems.

 :)

I just took you up on that! I guess it's no surprise Lib Dem came out on top, however a little alarming is the Green Party were not far behind! Worst was Tory on just 19%. I suspect that's because I KNOW global warming is already happening and I don't think inheritance tax breaks for £1m mansions are a good idea.

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Re: The general election and local issues
« Reply #44 on: April 12, 2010, 08:51:24 am »
and I don't think inheritance tax breaks for £1m mansions are a good idea.

Why bearing in mind the following  ?
(a) Can you explain why, as a result of geographical location, Inheritance Tax has to be applied on a property when a million pound house hardly buys a mansion these days in the London and South East Regions ?   
(b) Can you explain why  (given that many people have had to take mega-mortgages in order to pay for a fairly comfortable house for that amount) their estate be penalised again when considering that their POST TAX earnings have already been ploughed into their family home ?
(c) Can you explain why, itís the prudent that get penalised. The spendthrifts  get the help they need (as they have "no money") whilst the prudent ones who try to put something away for a rainy day,  for old age, and a nest egg for their families on death, get heavily penalized ?

Once again, PZ and his Party are absolutely no different to the other major two, and have nothing new to offer but more or less more of the same as the current regime. 
 

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Re: The general election and local issues
« Reply #45 on: April 12, 2010, 09:08:34 am »
The tax system has to raise a certain amount of money each year based on services, debt and borrowing.

The money has to come from somewhere and inevitably some people will be harder hit than others.

I think it's reasonably fair to suggest that anyone who can afford a mansion (whether £1M buys you a small one in London or a huge one elsewhere) is probably reasonably affluent and able to pay more tax than someone in a 3-bed semi on a median income.

Whilst everybody needs a place to live it doesn't take over a million to buy a decent family home (assuming you don't insist on living in Chelsea or somewhere like that)
 

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« Reply #46 on: April 12, 2010, 10:00:03 am »
and I don't think inheritance tax breaks for £1m mansions are a good idea.

Why bearing in mind the following  ?
(a) Can you explain why, as a result of geographical location, Inheritance Tax has to be applied on a property when a million pound house hardly buys a mansion these days in the London and South East Regions ?   
(b) Can you explain why  (given that many people have had to take mega-mortgages in order to pay for a fairly comfortable house for that amount) their estate be penalised again when considering that their POST TAX earnings have already been ploughed into their family home ?
(c) Can you explain why, itís the prudent that get penalised. The spendthrifts  get the help they need (as they have "no money") whilst the prudent ones who try to put something away for a rainy day,  for old age, and a nest egg for their families on death, get heavily penalized ?

Once again, PZ and his Party are absolutely no different to the other major two, and have nothing new to offer but more or less more of the same as the current regime. 


So what you're saying is you think inheritance tax should be cut whilst NI is increased. Tax the poor to pay for tax breaks for the rich. Why should a city banker getting million pound bonuses be able to pay 18% tax whilst a shelf-stacker working for Tesco pays over 30% (including NI)?

We have to raise taxes somehow and our tax system is desperately unfair. Both Labour and Tories have failed to address this, under Labour it's actually got worse. Under Tory plans it would get worse still. Our policy is to make it fair. I refuse to apologise for taxing those who can afford it to help those who are struggling.

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« Reply #47 on: April 12, 2010, 12:26:40 pm »
We have to raise taxes somehow and our tax system is desperately unfair. Both Labour and Tories have failed to address this, under Labour it's actually got worse. Under Tory plans it would get worse still. Our policy is to make it fair. I refuse to apologise for taxing those who can afford it to help those who are struggling.
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And this is the problem with your suggestion - your Party refuses to apologise for taxing those who can afford it. And here is an example, repeated up and down the country countless time, of how unfair your refusal to apologise is : two people A & B, both earning e.g. 100 pounds per week. A - decides to spend all - drink, drugs, smokes gambling, living beyond their means etc etc and probably gets state help one way or the other, such as council housing. B - decides to to save hard, place a deposit on his / her house and pays out of the same 100 pounds per week a mortgage.
Come the end of their lives - A (with nothing to show for it) obviously has no IT to pay. B however (with a house paid for) suddenly finds his estate subject to IT, just because you consider him / her "able" to afford to ? Despite both having earned the same over the course of their lives ?

Frankly this is morally incorrect and utterly appalling - and what kind of message does it send out to young voters expecting to make their way in life ? The only thing you have said correctly, is that the 'tax system is desparately unfair' - well you can say that again !!

Would you rather we ALL simply spent everything we earned and be damned with ? And if so what kind of society will we end up with ?

Regrettably, I was considering voting for your party - but if that represents your Party's attitude, to the normal hard working honest man trying to do the best for his family, then you really give my family and myself no choice but to refrain from placing our votes with you.


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« Reply #48 on: April 12, 2010, 03:16:18 pm »
Your example is simply false. Given the limit of £1m, a person earning 100 a week would have to save their entire wages for 192 years to afford a £1m house, that's without paying to eat, utility bills, interest on loans, etc etc.

People who earn more can afford to pay more. Given the current situation that someone from a poor background needs an extra 20 IQ points to expect to earn the same as someone from a rich background, it's unfair and unjust to label people from a poor background layabouts and scroungers. They can be as hard working as anyone and still not have the life chances to earn and therefore save enough to buy such a house.

Our party policy is that those who earn significant amounts should contribute their share.  I won't apologise for taxing people fairly when those people can afford it, especially when council tax banding means those living in houses worth more than £1m have paid less council tax as a proportion of their overall property value than those living in £150k single bedroom flats for the last 20 years. My own personal position is that our plans for scrapping council tax will see my family worse off. I still support it because its the right thing to do. Should you decide that you don't agree then the Lib Dems are not the party for you.

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« Reply #49 on: April 12, 2010, 03:52:04 pm »
You miss the point entirely - the illustration I give is simply designed to show the inequalities that exist in the tax system that you are peddling and have chosen to ignore - the fact that there are some who want to get on in life and do whatever it takes to get there but are penalised. Those who choose to spend their monies on whatever takes their fancy are the ones who benefit.

For example, you know as well as I do, that there are people EARNING THE SAME - some waste, others save. Why should the ones who try to do the best thing get penalised ? We see it all the time - people with hard earned savings having to reduce their balance amounts to under what is considered appropriate before getting any state assistance. Many others have to sell their homes to support old age care costs, whilst the feckless are admitted without question for free - the list is endless. Others that chose to substitute past frivolities for future savings can get state assistance immediately with no account of how they spent their past monies.

It would also help if those entering the country were not given such lavish handouts (but that's another issue), and the benefit scroungers made to take jobs offered, with the penalty of losing benefits if they do not accept. It worked in New York [despite all the opposition] so it can in the UK. What is your take on these issues ? - the silence is deafening. 

I have no objection to people earning more paying more, but a system should be devised that ensures the prudent are not to suffer. And there are countless who do. If not, then lets all go on a merry go round of wine, women and song - and then get the state to pay for our old age. 

That I am afraid, is  the sickening aspect of your proposal - it is short term thinking, designed to win votes from who you say you are protecting, penalise the prudent and prop up the spendthrift - and the worst thing of all is that you make no apology for it. 
 

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« Reply #50 on: April 12, 2010, 04:17:49 pm »
You miss the point entirely - the illustration I give is simply designed to show the inequalities that exist in the tax system that you are peddling and have chosen to ignore - the fact that there are some who want to get on in life and do whatever it takes to get there but are penalised. Those who choose to spend their monies on whatever takes their fancy are the ones who benefit.

I have no objection to people earning more paying more, but a system should be devised that ensures the prudent are not to suffer. And there are countless who do. If not, then lets all go on a merry go round of wine, women and song - and then get the state to pay for our old age. 

That I am afraid, is  the sickening aspect of your proposal - it is short term thinking, designed to win votes from who you say you are protecting, penalise the prudent and prop up the spendthrift - and the worst thing of all is that you make no apology for it. 

Sorry, I don't think I have missed the point. Let me illustrate.

Person A earns £20,000 a year, lives in a two bed house that they own, pays 20% tax and 11% NI on around £14,000 and then another £1,500 council tax. Direct proportion of tax to earnings just under 30%.

Person B earns £1,000,000 a year and lives in a £5m mansion. Because they get £500,000 of their pay as shares, they only pay 18% capital gains on that. They pay more council tax but only £2500 as that is the maximum (approximately). Upper level tax bill £176,000. CGT £90,000. Lower level tax and NI around £12,000. Total tax bill, £280,000. Direct proportion of tax to earnings 28%.

Council tax is one of the reasons the rich have got richer, it penalises the poor. Those with massive houses have benefitted for 20 years but youíre claiming they shouldnít be taxed again? Sorry but that just isnít fair.

Our entire system needs to be restructured and I agree IT with arbitrary thresholds is not the best approach, but to claim unfair penalties to the rich is simply not on. Defaulting into Daily Mail style rants on immigrants and Ďspendthriftsí isnít helpful in truly informed debate either.

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« Reply #51 on: April 12, 2010, 06:13:35 pm »

 Let me remind the Labour Candidate why we will not be voting for him,
 
You do not do make the poor richer by making the rich poorer.

Let me relate you the true recent story of an OAP couple in Potters Bar. The husband worked all his life for the post office/BT, bought thier council house and saved £41000.00 for there old age. Unfortunately four years ago he was diagnosed with the big C and was told Barnet could not provide long term care. As they had £40K in savings they had to pay the nursing home in Waggon Road to care for him until their savings were reduced to £16000.
 
So a life time of work and self support was reward by this Labour Goverment of taking all of their savings.  That is totally immoral, especially from a party that boasts that it is the caring party, even worse, had they resided in the unelected Prime Ministers constituency the long term care would have been free.

The above story can be replecated many thousands of times under this surpposed socialist goverment, so please, Labour Cadidate, if you want our support answer the above with absolute honesty, if you can.
 
To be fair, I am disenchanted with all of the main three parties, all promising the earth when any right minded person knows that only the most stringent financial policy's will stop the approaching finacial armageddon that this country has ever known.

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« Reply #52 on: April 12, 2010, 06:16:24 pm »
Our entire system needs to be restructured and I agree IT with arbitrary thresholds is not the best approach, but to claim unfair penalties to the rich is simply not on. Defaulting into Daily Mail style rants on immigrants and ‘spendthrifts’ isn’t helpful in truly informed debate either.
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As a politician , you are quoting the obvious - I am concerned not with the mega rich earners [who will ALWAYS legally avoid tax] who are far and few between as regards numbers compared to 'Middle Britain'. You have failed to comment on how your Party will help the working man in the street that you make no apology about taxing - and I have explained to you that this is flawed by the example of the spendthrift and the prudent. Your policies do nothing to address this very common problem and you remain silent on the issues I have eluded to ie savings levels to be dwindled before state assistance is given, homes to be sold for old age care etc.

Your comment on the Daily Mail style rants on "spendthrifts" and "immigrants" really does not endear the electorate to your Party. Furthermore, as much as you, and any other party politician's desire to silence the issue of immigration is sweet dreams to you, it nevertheless represents a real nightmare to the electorate, and needs real debate. This cannot be ignored.

PS : your math have been proved wrong Person A % tax to earnings is 28 % [not just under 30 %] but persons B's is 34 % and not  28 % as you claim.

I wish you luck on an already spent campaign and lets hope you try harder next time.
 

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« Reply #53 on: April 12, 2010, 06:38:05 pm »
I am afraid I cannot get excited about the forthcoming election, what's the point of listening and trying to make an informed decision when you KNOW that most of what is said is just campaign spin. They (politicians) don't DO what they SAY, as has been proved time and time again.
 

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« Reply #54 on: April 12, 2010, 06:48:08 pm »
Let me remind the Labour Candidate why we will not be voting for him,
So a life time of work and self support was reward by this Labour Goverment of taking all of their savings.  That is totally immoral, especially from a party that boasts that it is the caring party, even worse, had they resided in the unelected Prime Ministers constituency the long term care would have been free.
The above story can be replecated many thousands of times under this surpposed socialist goverment, so please, Labour Cadidate, if you want our support answer the above with absolute honesty, if you can.
The point I have been making to PZ of the Libs as well - but simply got evasive answers. It seems the only way is to give away as much as possible 'on the quite' to family before you get too old for theiving Governments of any party to take it away from you. Unfortunately, the Libs they are just as bad as Labour. Neither of them deserve our support.
 

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« Reply #55 on: April 12, 2010, 07:05:33 pm »


PS : your math have been proved wrong Person A % tax to earnings is 28 % [not just under 30 %] but persons B's is 34 % and not  28 % as you claim.

I wish you luck on an already spent campaign and lets hope you try harder next time.
20% + 11% of £14000 = £4340. £4340 + £1500 = £5840. £5840 as a proportion of £20,000 = 29.2% not as you say 28%.
£280,000 as a proportion of £1m is 28%.

Or maybe your calculator isn't telling the truth either?

Our policy is to use the income from redressing the Capital Gains Tax inbalance to fund around a £3000 increase in the income tax allowance. For everyone. For the 'ordinary man in the street' this will mean they will be £700 a year better off, paid for by the people who currently pay the smallest proportion of their income in tax.

You also seem to expect me and my party to fix everything you're concerned or worried about and go from one issue to the next without seemingly expecting an answer. If you're so convinced it's that simple may I suggest you put yourself forward for election? We are a free democracy so assuming you're eligible you could try to fix all you think is so wrong with our country and system.

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« Reply #56 on: April 12, 2010, 07:09:19 pm »
Let me remind the Labour Candidate why we will not be voting for him,
So a life time of work and self support was reward by this Labour Goverment of taking all of their savings.  That is totally immoral, especially from a party that boasts that it is the caring party, even worse, had they resided in the unelected Prime Ministers constituency the long term care would have been free.
The above story can be replecated many thousands of times under this surpposed socialist goverment, so please, Labour Cadidate, if you want our support answer the above with absolute honesty, if you can.
The point I have been making to PZ of the Libs as well - but simply got evasive answers. It seems the only way is to give away as much as possible 'on the quite' to family before you get too old for theiving Governments of any party to take it away from you. Unfortunately, the Libs they are just as bad as Labour. Neither of them deserve our support.


Evasive? I think not. I've told you quite clearly I disagree with you and I've explained in detail why. Should you not be willing to listen, that's not my problem but yours.
 

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« Reply #57 on: April 12, 2010, 07:51:19 pm »
Or maybe your calculator isn't telling the truth either?
... income tax allowance.... if you're so convinced it's that simple may I suggest you put yourself forward for election?
Paul
I see we have clearly rattled the Lib Dem parliamentary Candidate !!!! ;D Math - Personal Allowance for 2010 - 11 is 6,475 taken from 20,000 is 13,525 that the 20 % is applied against, not the 14,000 you state. Hence, you math cannot be correct just by virtue of that. I see you also remain silent on the rather larger error pertaining to the 1,000,000 a year man !!! Perhaps your middle digit has got stuck somewhere along the way has it ?LOL

If simple math like this cannot be done by the Lib Dems, then how are we to supposed to believe your claims of increases of tax allowance by 3,000 giving every man in the street an extra [unsubstantiated] 700 per annum !!!!!!!! By your very statement, is the approx 700 savings on tax of an increased personal allowance of 3,000 ie 23.3 % close to the new intended base tax rate you intend to introduce ? Hence by your own submission, you have now accepted the fact that the Lib Dems WILL increase tax rates !!

Voters beware - to vote for the Lib Dems WILL see substantial  increases in tax as clearly exemplified by his example above......

As for wishing to stand for election - hell would have to freeze over first !! I consider myself far more honest, trustworthy and honourable than to stoop down to such an immoral and murky career.

So to our rattled PZ as they say, "if you can't stand the heat, then get out of the Kitchen"

Bon voyage

 
 

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Re: The general election and local issues
« Reply #58 on: April 12, 2010, 08:33:05 pm »

I see we have clearly rattled the Lib Dem parliamentary Candidate !!!! ;D Math - Personal Allowance for 2010 - 11 is 6,475 taken from 20,000 is 13,525 that the 20 % is applied against, not the 14,000 you state. Hence, you math cannot be correct just by virtue of that. I see you also remain silent on the rather larger error pertaining to the 1,000,000 a year man !!! Perhaps your middle digit has got stuck somewhere along the way has it ?LOL

If simple math like this cannot be done by the Lib Dems, then how are we to supposed to believe your claims of increases of tax allowance by 3,000 giving every man in the street an extra [unsubstantiated] 700 per annum !!!!!!!! By your very statement, is the approx 700 savings on tax of an increased personal allowance of 3,000 ie 23.3 % close to the new intended base tax rate you intend to introduce ? Hence by your own submission, you have now accepted the fact that the Lib Dems WILL increase tax rates !!

Voters beware - to vote for the Lib Dems WILL see substantial  increases in tax as clearly exemplified by his example above......

As for wishing to stand for election - hell would have to freeze over first !! I consider myself far more honest, trustworthy and honourable than to stoop down to such an immoral and murky career.

So to our rattled PZ as they say, "if you can't stand the heat, then get out of the Kitchen"

Bon voyage

 

Ah, I see percentages and rounding are beyond you. I'd stick with the Tories if I were you, they can magic £6,000,000,000 out of thin air (or efficiency savings as they call them).

A terribly rattled (shaking so much I almost spilled my glass of wine, over the dinner I'm making in the kitchen) Paul Zukowskyj


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Re: The general election and local issues
« Reply #59 on: April 12, 2010, 09:47:21 pm »
The Lib Dem Promise - Remain evasive to potential punters at all times, however, Welwyn Hatfield Lib Dem Candidate lets slip : PA to be set at 10,000 with 23 % base rate tax - PZ reveals all.

Carry on plodding the streets... the exercise will do you good, and better luck next time round.  :-*

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