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Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
« Reply #750 on: January 18, 2013, 11:43:27 am »
thanks Dave .

I see BP Primary School is closing at 12.45.

Personally I find this staggering. The vast majority of children (though not all) live within walking distance . If the roads get bad the staff can get home by hook or by crook ( public transport, walking - just like the rest of us). I just do not understand it.  Are all the nurses , police, fire-briagde , doctors ' getting away early' today ?

I am fed up explaining to my children the virtues of 'making an effort' , perseverance and 'needing to adapt when things don't go your way' for them to be shown the opposite example.
 

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Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
« Reply #751 on: January 18, 2013, 12:48:55 pm »
A message to the woman in the white BMW 4x4 who followed me into Brookmans Park along Hawkshead Lane this morning. The reason I was driving cautiously was that it was almost down to one lane, the snow was building up and it was too dangerous to go any faster. You may be an advanced driver, but driving too close to the car in front in these conditions is not recommended. Trying to put pressure on the driver in front is not a good idea either.
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Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
« Reply #752 on: January 18, 2013, 12:53:33 pm »
I agree absolutely. get on with life - this is winter.
 

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Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
« Reply #753 on: January 18, 2013, 01:17:07 pm »
I remember being collected by my dad, who had to wear fishing wellies and carry me because the snow was so deep (up North I might add!) - he had 4 trips with all my siblings! But even then the school didn't close early - it was normal school end time.

On Monday the primary school said we could collect at 2pm - I didn't (as I'm a walk-to-schooler), and bot my kids were virtually the last ones left in their classes.

I think the issue is driving conditions for the staff - in my day the teachers usually lived fairly locally too, although now that's not always the case.

I agree today though - I had an essential jorney to make, and the roads were OK with caution - certainly I think we are far too eager to close the school for an inch of snow (or less!)
 

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Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
« Reply #754 on: January 18, 2013, 01:54:12 pm »
Thought it would be worth having a thread for people to post snow reports and pics for local roads. I have just been for a walk down Moffats and along Bluebridge.  Here is how it looked at 13:30 on Friday 18 January 2013.



Bluebridge looking south



Moffats looking east



Bluebridge looking north
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Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
« Reply #755 on: January 18, 2013, 02:00:51 pm »
thanks Dave .

I see BP Primary School is closing at 12.45.

Personally I find this staggering. The vast majority of children (though not all) live within walking distance . If the roads get bad the staff can get home by hook or by crook ( public transport, walking - just like the rest of us). I just do not understand it.  Are all the nurses , police, fire-briagde , doctors ' getting away early' today ?

I am fed up explaining to my children the virtues of 'making an effort' , perseverance and 'needing to adapt when things don't go your way' for them to be shown the opposite example.
I think it is about accountability and risk, the sooner the kids are off the school premises the less likely the council are open to claims/criticism.

It is a shame but thats how society has become now.
 

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Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
« Reply #756 on: January 18, 2013, 02:07:06 pm »
I couldn't agree more, and a message to the selfish and impatient person in the large grey car (prob Volvo) backing out of a driveway in Moffats Lane at about 11.00am this morning and hooting because I was stationary on the OTHER side of the road and was 'in their way'. I was waiting for a large courier van coming up the hill - with all the parking on my side of the road, I couldn't move!! Try looking at what is happening on the road for a change!

B****y selfish and arrogant driving is bad enough normally, in these conditions it's unforgivable!
 

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Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
« Reply #757 on: January 18, 2013, 02:09:36 pm »
Don't forget the webcam is giving an up to date view of the main road for those interested

http://www.brookmans.com/webcam.php
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Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
« Reply #758 on: January 18, 2013, 02:13:10 pm »
I saw another hard-to-believe incident just now as I returned from a walk in Gobions.

At the corner of Bluebridge and Moffats a woman driving a silver blue Merc 4x4 attempted the turn into Moffats with one hand on the wheel while talking on her mobile phone.

Of course it proved too difficult and she couldn't make the turn smoothly, so other vehicles had to stop and let her regain control. But the phone stayed in her hand and she continued to talk. I watched in amazement.

Please note:  This is not a rant against women drivers or 4x4s, it's just that they are the facts of the two appalling driving displays I witnessed today.
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Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
« Reply #759 on: January 18, 2013, 02:44:54 pm »
What exactly are the risks ?

The children stay in doors doing their lessons until 3.15 and then get picked up by their parent/ carer and walked to the school gates and off the School grounds.

Is the risk so great of a serious accident and a lawsuit on that treacherous 50-60 yard walk from classroom to gates that the school should be closed early denying the children and afternoon's lessons?

 

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Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
« Reply #760 on: January 18, 2013, 03:03:05 pm »
Some updated pics one and a half hours later.  Bluebridge seems to be slushy and we rather than icy at the moment. Moffats is looking more difficult.



Bluebridge looking north from Moffats at 14:45 Jan 13



Moffats looking east at 14:45 Jan 13
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Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
« Reply #761 on: January 18, 2013, 03:07:35 pm »
What exactly are the risks ?

The children stay in doors doing their lessons until 3.15 and then get picked up by their parent/ carer and walked to the school gates and off the School grounds.

Is the risk so great of a serious accident and a lawsuit on that treacherous 50-60 yard walk from classroom to gates that the school should be closed early denying the children and afternoon's lessons?
I am not disagreeing with you its just my interpretation of the probable logic behind it. The rationale must be the more snow that settles the greater the risk of accidents so the greater risk of a claim. councils and the like are very vulnerable to claims, they are just protecting their position to the detrement of the kids.
 

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Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
« Reply #762 on: January 18, 2013, 04:10:47 pm »
Understood Larry .

What does everyone else think ?
 

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Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
« Reply #763 on: January 18, 2013, 05:00:58 pm »
All looking fairly good at 16:30 ish on Friday 18 Jan.



Porche struggles to get round Bradmore Green and up Brookmans Avenue



Seems okay on Station Road



Bluebridge Road  seems fine



Not so sure about Moffats
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Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
« Reply #764 on: January 18, 2013, 06:17:36 pm »
I never drive in this weather David, its not worth the drama-too many nut bags out there :-\

got the beers/food in last nite and going to have a quiet one and take a load off 8)

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« Reply #765 on: January 18, 2013, 06:22:43 pm »
I never drive in this weather David, its not worth the drama-too many nut bags out there :-\

got the beers/food in last nite and going to have a quiet one and take a load off 8)

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Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
« Reply #766 on: January 18, 2013, 06:58:02 pm »
Forget your cars, and get the Wellies or walking shoes on, and get rid of some of that Christmas lard ! Think of the exercise. Cars cars cars who cares!  Use your feet.
 

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« Reply #767 on: January 18, 2013, 07:49:44 pm »
Understood Larry .

What does everyone else think ?

I think it maybe the distance some of the teaching staff may have to travel home and conditions nearer to where they live may be worse than here in BP, but I tend to agree school seems to be quick to close early, which can cause problems for those Parents that work some distance away and are not necessarily able to leave earlier due to weather conditions.
 

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« Reply #768 on: January 18, 2013, 10:17:18 pm »
The local shops and businesses don't close early because they loose income. The school however has a guaranteed tax payer income and can close without consequence. There is no substantial increased risk to the children and caving in under moderate snowfall is pathetic. I suspect most of the children who left school early went to Gobions; sledged, throw snowballs or ran and jumped headlong into snowmen - which is clearly less hazardous than sitting in a warm classroom.
 

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« Reply #769 on: January 18, 2013, 11:00:55 pm »
Therock - sometimes there ARE essential journeys to make! I am all for walking everywhere (my kids are never ferried to/from school by car, we use our feet), but today I had a funeral to attend - I couldn't walk to Watford!
In the main though I agree - most people are too eager to jump in the car (sometimes mine only gets used for a once a week run to Potters Bar for the supermarket shop). But I definitely won't be using it while the snow hangs around
 

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« Reply #770 on: January 19, 2013, 12:18:39 pm »
Forget your cars, and get the Wellies or walking shoes on, and get rid of some of that Christmas lard ! Think of the exercise. Cars cars cars who cares!  Use your feet.
I thought you said you had a Hummer for snow covered roads and to accommodate your long legs.....
 

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Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
« Reply #771 on: January 19, 2013, 01:29:20 pm »
Mannyd, I agree with you 100% as regards the requirements for use of cars!. But Larrylamb I would presume is one of the Fanatic car users and would use the car just to go to the Indian takeaway or Chinese takeaway instead of the use of  his LEGS.  As regards the Hummer that was sold because I could not afford the petrol due to the Tax rises by the goverment so it was my own fault. (lesson learnt) I am now looking for a nice low emmision car with no road tax and something that will get me up Moffats Lane when there is snow   and ice on the road. My legs take me walking everyday, because I dont want to be a overweight Lardy!! Mind the snow and ice tommorow on the way to the Chinese!!!!!!!
 

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« Reply #772 on: January 19, 2013, 01:55:16 pm »
What a surprise ... have just seen the gritter in Peplins Way .... I think it was lost as they didn't grit the road!!
 

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« Reply #773 on: January 19, 2013, 06:33:09 pm »
...equally very surprised :o to see the gritter in Bluebridge Avenue and he did grit the road so good news  ;D
 

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Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
« Reply #774 on: January 19, 2013, 07:14:50 pm »
Also seen working for half of  Westland Drive -   it melted a little bit, that thawed but has now frozen over so it will be worse tomorrow!
 

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Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
« Reply #775 on: January 20, 2013, 11:19:30 am »
A few pictures of some of the roads in Brookmans Park today, Sunday 20 January, at 10:30. 











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Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
« Reply #776 on: January 20, 2013, 02:58:32 pm »
I think a net curtain has fallen in front of it :/

Will sort out later - sorry

Hi James, still very blurry pics  ???  I know you're very limited in what you can do, and we're very grateful that you do it at all, but is there any way that the pics can be made any clearer?
 

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« Reply #777 on: January 20, 2013, 04:00:47 pm »
I was told on Friday by some Dumb woman at Chancellors, that my son aged 16 cant walk home on his own due to health and Safety. I had to explain that he walked to school on his own in the snow. ???? why are people like this working.  The school said he would have to wait till 1oclock to leave. I explained that he and many children walk to school without no pavement access so this is A health and safety issue as well. The world has gone Mad. As was said in a earlier post most teachers at schools lived locally, but today they are living 20-30 miles from the school hence, snow problems they cant mnake it.  The biggest problem is Pine Grove which is not being gritted Hence no cars or coaches can get up the hill. No Grit No School .
 

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« Reply #778 on: January 20, 2013, 05:09:15 pm »
It would be helpful if the schools in the village could let parents know ASAP what they are planning to do re opening tomorrow instead of leaving the decision to the usual 8:30am in the morning.  Some parents have childcare planning to do if the schools know they will not be opening.
 

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« Reply #779 on: January 20, 2013, 05:32:25 pm »
It would be helpful if the schools in the village could let parents know ASAP what they are planning to do re opening tomorrow instead of leaving the decision to the usual 8:30am in the morning.  Some parents have childcare planning to do if the schools know they will not be opening.

Whole heartedly agree, have just checked the link David posted at the top of this thread and some schools have already updated this to advise closure for tomorrow.  Will just have to keep checking I guess!
 

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