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Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
« Reply #120 on: February 09, 2011, 11:20:19 am »
No, I am not justifying anyone having a bonfire that causes any trouble for their neighbours.

But not everything can be recycled. For example if you replaced a wooden fence you might want to dispose of the old materials by having a fire. But obviously this should only be done if wind conditions etc are such that no-one will be inconvenienced.

But if it's just garden waste such as leaves there's really no reason at all to use the brown bins.

 

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Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
« Reply #121 on: February 09, 2011, 11:40:40 am »

But not everything can be recycled. For example if you replaced a wooden fence you might want to dispose of the old materials by having a fire. But obviously this should only be done if wind conditions etc are such that no-one will be inconvenienced.


I disagree. Not a good idea to burn treated wood in the garden. That will really stink. Either take it to the tip or hire someone to remove it. Burning it is not a good plan.  Lighting a bonfire is just selfish in my view.

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Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
« Reply #122 on: February 09, 2011, 11:42:51 am »
Wholeheartedly agree Sasquartch.

On the positive side, it is a nice experience for a family to huddle round a bonfire toasting marshmallows or cooking potatos and just having some family time.  My boy actually moves away from the TV and Xbox.

That said I am a passionate recycler, recycling or composting as much as I possibly can.  I also restrict myself to one bonfire a year normally on a cold still November evening to minimise the impact to neigbours.

One of my neighbours irritates me when he has a bonfire - primarily because he is incompetent at lighting fires.  Firstly you smell the paraffin where this is poured liberally over the pile, for a brief second there is a roaring fire, then the air gets filled with bonfire fumes where the fire hasn't got enough heat for the smoke to rise.  Then it goes out and he tries again a few days later.  Incompetent!!

The moral if there is one, is to have the bonfire but make sure you are considerate to your neighbours.  Why not invite them round for some muld wine and marshmallows and get to know each other.
 

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Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
« Reply #123 on: February 09, 2011, 12:12:51 pm »
But not everything can be recycled. For example if you replaced a wooden fence you might want to dispose of the old materials by having a fire.

There are skips at Potters Bar and A414 dumps solely for the purpose of recycling wood!!
 

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Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
« Reply #124 on: February 09, 2011, 12:32:37 pm »
But not everything can be recycled. For example if you replaced a wooden fence you might want to dispose of the old materials by having a fire.

There are skips at Potters Bar and A414 dumps solely for the purpose of recycling wood!!

This was a hypothetical example - but in this hypothetical example the householder might not be able to carry a large number of fence panels and posts in their vehicle to the dump
 

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Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
« Reply #125 on: February 09, 2011, 12:39:34 pm »
Of course, DB's suggestion that you "hire" someone costs !! I would suggest that in todays autere periods [with increases in practically everything rising day by day] people would be inclined to simply burn the stuff. Even the cost of getting to the re-cycling centres for some people may well be too much.
 

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Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
« Reply #126 on: February 09, 2011, 02:21:03 pm »
Of course, DB's suggestion that you "hire" someone costs !! I would suggest that in todays autere periods [with increases in practically everything rising day by day] people would be inclined to simply burn the stuff. Even the cost of getting to the re-cycling centres for some people may well be too much.

Good point, PS, but burning garden fencing in a village like this can't be right. If you live in a remote farm, perhaps, but to pollute the environment for your neighbours (when they have no say in the matter) can't be right.  It may be legal, but it is hardly considerate.
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Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
« Reply #127 on: February 09, 2011, 02:34:53 pm »
Indeed - it is NOT considerate at all. But merely one example of a reflection of how a society like the UK is progressively going down the pan. The bottom line is, if you simply cannot afford to "hire" to dispose, or pensioners on a state pension spending 2 or 3 % of their weekly handout to get to a tip and back, then inevitably people have no choice but to burn. 
 

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Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
« Reply #128 on: February 09, 2011, 02:41:46 pm »
The bottom line is, if you simply cannot afford to "hire" to dispose, or pensioners on a state pension spending 2 or 3 % of their weekly handout to get to a tip and back, then inevitably people have no choice but to burn. 

Fair point, but not sure that was the case in Brooky Park this afternoon, or relevant to the cases put earlier for burning garden fences.
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Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
« Reply #129 on: February 09, 2011, 03:54:13 pm »
Maybe it was something to do with the Cannabis Factory the police have just closed down on Oaklands Avenue this afternoon!?! :icon_jokercolor:
 

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Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
« Reply #130 on: February 09, 2011, 04:36:01 pm »
I wondered why i felt so happy....
 

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Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
« Reply #131 on: April 04, 2011, 02:56:51 pm »
There can't really be any justification for having a garden bonfire now we have so much opportunity to recycle.  Unless of course it's to annoy the neighbours and make their houses stink.
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Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
« Reply #132 on: April 04, 2011, 05:10:42 pm »
I totally agree - it is such an anti social activity, especially in daylight hours. My neighbour lit up a particularly smoky, smelly fire a couple of weeks ago at about six o clock in the evening - I had to rush around closing all of the windows on one of the very first of the spring days - such a shame! Why do people do it?
 

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Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
« Reply #133 on: April 04, 2011, 05:29:04 pm »
I totally agree - it is such an anti social activity, especially in daylight hours. My neighbour lit up a particularly smoky, smelly fire a couple of weeks ago at about six o clock in the evening - I had to rush around closing all of the windows on one of the very first of the spring days - such a shame! Why do people do it?

Yes, I had to shut all the windows, too.  And We had all the sheets out drying because it was such a good drying day.  I wonder what goes through someone's head when they decide to set fire to stuff on a sunny windy day?  Or perhaps they don't think about it all that much?
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Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
« Reply #134 on: April 05, 2011, 11:37:56 am »
There is nothing, nothing quite so satisfying as having a bonfire.
I light one twice a year and relish every smoke choking, laundry smelling, ash ridden moment!
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Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
« Reply #135 on: April 05, 2011, 12:36:33 pm »
There is nothing, nothing quite so satisfying as having a bonfire.
I light one twice a year and relish every smoke choking, laundry smelling, ash ridden moment!
  >:D

So it was you, Dezza, and on the one day in the year when I was put in charge of hanging the washing out.

 :)

I was told to make sure to get the sheets in before it rained - but not warned that big pieces of black ash would be descending on the garden.  I hope the family don't mind sleeping in sheets that smell like kippers.


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Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
« Reply #136 on: April 05, 2011, 06:16:28 pm »
False accusation, Mr Brewer.
I would never have a bonfire on a Monday; It has to be a Sunday evening with soup and sausages and you'll all be invited to join the fun!
 

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Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
« Reply #137 on: April 05, 2011, 06:32:13 pm »
False accusation, Mr Brewer.
I would never have a bonfire on a Monday; It has to be a Sunday evening with soup and sausages and you'll all be invited to join the fun!

Brill, I'll be there. And I can smell like a kipper all Monday.

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Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
« Reply #138 on: April 05, 2011, 07:06:03 pm »
Sounds like a party at yours then Dezza - i'll bring the old tyres.
 

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Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
« Reply #139 on: April 12, 2011, 01:43:35 pm »
False accusation, Mr Brewer.
I would never have a bonfire on a Monday; It has to be a Sunday evening with soup and sausages and you'll all be invited to join the fun!

That wasn't you again was it Dezza stinking out the neighbourhood on a lovely sunny and windy day? 

No, couldn't be, it's a Tuesday.  I wonder whose turn it is to be totally unsociable on Tuesdays?

 ;)

The bottom end of Moffats stinks.

 >:(

I wonder whether it's worth starting a thread entitled 'I am going to stink out the neighbourhood' linked to the calendar so we can all plan round it?

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« Reply #140 on: April 12, 2011, 02:11:17 pm »
Hello Dave

I agree with you totally in fact I think I posted about this subject last year and the year before and possibly all three years before that!!

Why don't we all look at this information sheet issued by WHC.

http://www.welhat.gov.uk/index.aspx?articleid=258

Print it out and fly tip it on the door step of the offending pyromaniacs. 

Or we could burn it and blow the smoke in their direction.

Me angry ? No chance! Better get the washing in now.   :icon_jokercolor:
 

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« Reply #141 on: April 12, 2011, 02:56:58 pm »
Thanks for that Colin, I think it is worth copying that document here.

http://www.welhat.gov.uk/CHttpHandler.ashx?id=1481&p=0

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DOMESTIC BONFIRES

A Guide to Good Practice


Bonfires can cause real annoyance and nuisance to neighbours and we strongly discourage them. The Environmental Health Department receives many complaints every year from members of the public who are upset by smoke from bonfires thoughtlessly lit by their neighbours. Unpleasant smells and ash deposits can ruin your neighbours’ washing and spoil their enjoyment of their houses and gardens. Smoke can also be very distressing, especially if the person suffers from asthma or similar conditions.

Before you light a bonfire, ask yourself is it really necessary?

Most garden waste can be composted and will provide valuable humus for the garden. Waste material should be recycled or disposed of at your nearest civic amenity site or placed in your Brown Bin if you have one.

If you are determined to have a bonfire, here are some guidelines to minimise the risk of it becoming a serious nuisance:

• Choose the site and time for your bonfire carefully, taking notice of those living nearby.
• Never light a bonfire unless you are satisfied that weather conditions and wind direction will mean that smoke will be carried away from your neighbours’ windows and gardens – if it’s misty or damp, the bonfire will smoulder and produce excessive smoke; if it’s windy, smoke may blow into neighbouring properties and across roads; if the air is still, smoke will linger at low levels.
• Make sure that there is no laundry drying in any neighbouring gardens.
• Only put dry material on the bonfire that will burn quickly and with the minimum of smoke.
• Compost or bury soft vegetable waste and grass cuttings, etc, which are difficult to dry
• Never burn oily rags, rubber, plastics, foam, paint or such materials as they will produce heavy or pungent smoke.
• Never use flammable liquids such as oil or petrol to help start your bonfire.
• Remember – bonfires are dangerous; never leave them unattended. Do not even leave them when they are smouldering – douse them with water if necessary. Fire can spread to fences or buildings and scorch trees and plants.
• Let your neighbours enjoy their time off from work do not burn at weekends or on bank holidays.

Nuisance

If the smoke, fly ash or gritty particles associated with a commercial bonfire cause a nuisance to other people then this is a statutory nuisance under the Environmental Protection Act 1990. The Council can serve a notice to abate the nuisance (stop it) or prevent it happening again. If the person responsible does not comply with this notice then they can be fined up to £20,000.

Proper Disposal

Instead of burning materials you must arrange for them to be taken away to a proper waste disposal site.

DO NOT BE TEMPTED TO FLY TIP.

This is a serious offence under the Environmental Protection Act 1990 and carries a maximum penalty of £20,000 and up to 6 months imprisonment in the Magistrates Court, or unlimited fines and up to 2 years imprisonment at Crown Court. The maximum sentence is even higher (5 years) for dumping special waste which may be harmful to health.

You can either take the waste yourself or arrange a waste carrier to take it for you. If you use someone else then you have a duty to ensure that they are an authorised carrier. They will arrange for you to complete and sign a transfer note. This is so that no-one can arrange to take waste from other people and then dump it illegally. If this happened then the contractor and the person employing them would be held partly responsible under the law unless they had properly checked the waste carrier's credentials and signed a transfer note.

Details of alternative methods of waste disposal can be found at www.wasteaware.org.uk. If you require further information about the Council’s garden waste collection then, call 01707 357000, or e-mail contact-whc@welhat.gov.uk

To find out more about businesses' responsibilities under the Environmental Protection Act and to check if your service provider is registered, visit the Environment Agency website.

Complaints about a persistent nuisance caused by regular bonfires can be referred to Environmental Health. Contact us on 01707 357 242.


Good to have the number to ring in order to complain.
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Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
« Reply #142 on: April 20, 2011, 09:49:31 am »
Bonfire Alert

If you live at the lower end of Moffats you may want to get the washing in and close the windows.  Someone has decided that it's a lovely day for a bonfire.

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« Reply #143 on: May 30, 2012, 04:44:50 pm »
Message for the person burning plastic and paper down the bottom end of Moffats.
The recycling people come tomorrow. There is absolutely no need to pollute the atmosphere and force us to close all the windows on a warm breezy day. Give a little thought to others and the environment, please.
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« Reply #144 on: July 21, 2012, 05:50:01 pm »
Thank you to the ignorant idiot in Peplins Close who has ruined the best day in months by filling my garden with smoke.

Why do people think it's necessary, or even socially acceptable to have bonfires.

With all the recycling that goes on these days. It's completely un necessary.

Shame there's a hose pipe ban, or I might have put it out for him !!

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« Reply #145 on: July 21, 2012, 08:10:25 pm »
No hosepipe ban any more Phil - go for it!!!
 

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Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
« Reply #146 on: July 22, 2012, 03:58:10 pm »
We had someone light one at A1000 end of BP on a nice sunny day :icon_scratch:

Cant really get my head around the reasoning of some people.

Call me traditional but heres a suggestion

Do it when the weather is s++t and no one is outside except you!!

I know-mental isnt it :o

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Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
« Reply #147 on: July 23, 2012, 07:58:26 am »
Do it when the weather is s++t and no one is outside except you!!

Hi BP, good suggestion, but even on nasty days people have their windows open.  I think Phil's suggestion that people make use of the excellent recycling facilities made in an earlier post is the way to go.

With all the recycling that goes on these days. It's completely un necessary.

Discussing this issue in the pub the other day I heard on local resident declare that it was his right to light a bonfire in his own garden. This is what those who believe in recycling and clean air are up against.

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Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
« Reply #148 on: February 20, 2013, 05:09:20 pm »
Great smokey bonfire in garden of mimms drive at the moment-Looks like they are burning fresh damp cuttings. The whole place looks like a scene from a war zone and my house now stinks of bonfire.

Have to say in their defence though it does seems the optimum time to light it.-The first nice sunny day we have had for a while.

Full marks guys and remember never ever light a bonfire on a cold dark winters day as this is definatley the worst time to do it.

But of course we all know that.......

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Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
« Reply #149 on: February 20, 2013, 07:44:42 pm »
Great smokey bonfire in garden of mimms drive at the moment-Looks like they are burning fresh damp cuttings. The whole place looks like a scene from a war zone and my house now stinks of bonfire.


Sounds to me that as you're writing at past five o clock on a February afternoon, your neighbours aren't being particularly antisocial.  ::)
 

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