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Title: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: Grant Shapps MP on June 04, 2005, 06:59:32 pm
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Editor's Note:

This thread was not started by Grant Shapps MP. The first post in this new thread was in reply to a post in a thread about the former MP, Melanie Johnson. However, because the debate had started to shift away from a discussion about the previous MP to a discussion about the current MP, I decided to split this thread in two as it seemed inappropriate for it to have the title 'Melanie Johnson MP'.

There are now two threads running Melanie Johnson MP (http://www.brookmans.com/forum/index.php?topic=452.msg6572;topicseen#msg6572) and Grant Shapps MP (http://www.brookmans.com/forum/index.php?topic=608.0)

The following is what Grant Shapps MP posted in the Melanie Johnson thread. To put it into context you might want to
Click here to read what Grant Shapps MP was replying to. (http://www.brookmans.com/forum/index.php?topic=452.msg6572;topicseen#msg6572).

David Brewer - Editor


Hi Max,

>> Before we get too lavish with our praise for the self-sacrificing Mr Shapps, I wonder what his anual income is for his non-political activitities, and how this compares with that of Ms Johnson?

The print business that I've worked for 15 years setting up from scratch and building into a reasonable company can hardly be considered as an outside consultancy in my case.  Anyone who has struggled and fought as a self-employed person building up their own business would take some offence from being lumped in wiith those who get elected and as a result of their position, accept paid consultancies.  I hope you'll accept that what I've done is entirely different.  Just for additional clarity, my print biz now operates without my direct input, so I am a full time MP and completely focused on Welwyn Hatfield.

Other than that, I accept many of your comments above and it might interest you to read the comments that I made about our former MP during my maiden speech last week:
http://www.parliament.the-stationery-office.co.uk/pa/cm200506/cmhansrd/cm050526/debtext/50526-12.htm#50526-12_spnew0

Grant.
Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: Editor on June 04, 2005, 07:34:01 pm

Just for additional clarity, my print biz now operates without my direct input, so I am a full time MP and completely focused on Welwyn Hatfield.


Hi Grant,

Does that mean that you only take an MPs salary and have no other business interests or income?

David
Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: James Bentall on June 04, 2005, 07:52:54 pm
Completely off topic for this thread at the moment, but can I just say to Grant how nice it is to see our elected member of parliament commenting on a local forum, and I hope his involvement and willingness to answer points directed at him will continue - thanks.
Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: Max on June 04, 2005, 08:30:48 pm
Hi Grant,

Firstly, I totally agree with James'. I do not expect busy politicians to get involved in this kind of forum, but it is nice when they do. Secondly, I appreciate what you said about taking offence from being lumped in with those who get elected and as a result of their position, accept paid consultancies, although as a Conservative M.P. you must find yourself among such people a good deal of the time. In your case, I stand corrected, but I think it is still to be accepted that there are probably more people within the ranks of the Conservative party from wealthy business backgrounds, and far more people on the labour side whose background is in areas like the social services, with far less money behind them. You seem to accept this point yourself, so we are not at odds here, and indeed, it is clear from your link that you do not make the same criticisms of your predecessor as have been made elsewhere in this forum. Maybe M.P.s should be means tested and their allowances adjusted accordingly.

Personally, I rather regret this constant villification of politicians, whether or the right (far right excepted of course) or left. I don't think anyone ever got elected as an M.P. without putting in a great deal of very hard work, and however you argue about the rights and wrongs of the system, it is ludicrous to suggest the UK (or indeed the EU) is not fully democratic. Anyone who thinks he/she could do better should put your his/her money where his/her mouth is, as you yourself have done. As you might have gathered, I am "on the other team", politically speaking but am not one of those embittered people who thinks that having differing ideas as to what our economic priorities should be should make people enemies, and I would like to wish you good luck whilst you are in office. Go ahead and prove me wrong, if you can!
Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: Editor on June 04, 2005, 08:59:19 pm
I have split this thread in two. The comments in Grant's post, which is now at the head of this thread, were in response to a thread about the former MP for Welwyn Hatfield, Melanie Johnson. If people want to post about Melanie Johnson, please click here and add your views to that thread. (http://www.brookmans.com/forum/index.php?topic=452.msg6572;topicseen#msg6572) However, those who want to discuss the new MP for Welwyn Hatfield, Grant Shapps, please add your comments to this thread.

David
Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: sasquartch on June 06, 2005, 09:56:33 am
I think Grant has made it clear that he does have other interests, ie his print business. He has also stated that he does not need to devote any significant time to running it and focusses his time and energy on being an MP.
I think it is pretty clear he will receive an income from it (assuming his business is profitable) - I can't really see anything wrong with that. I doubt many people have no investments whatsoever, whether a few FTSE-100 shares perhaps or a significant share of a company. Any money he makes from his business is as a result of his hard work over the last 15 years.
Personally I'd much rather have an MP who has made his money 'the hard way' and has experience first hand of having to make things work.
BTW, I am not one of Grant's cronies - just someone who voted for him because he actually bothered to actively canvass for my vote.
Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: jet on June 06, 2005, 10:23:14 am
Neither the EU or Britain is democratic in the original meaning of the word.
Democracy started in Greece and was in no way available to all, ie women and slaves.
The goverment of Britain was not elected by the majority of the people.
The EU in its present form is not wanted by the majority of the people.
If anyone wants a true democracy then either a two party system or  a clear majority ie over 50% of the electorate should be required.
As for politicians its all about personal power and the infliction of their own will above others.
When was the last time any MP achieved something that the people wanted?
regards,
jet
Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: Editor on June 06, 2005, 10:37:57 am

I think Grant has made it clear that he does have other interests, ie his print business. He has also stated that he does not need to devote any significant time to running it and focusses his time and energy on being an MP.
I think it is pretty clear he will receive an income from it (assuming his business is profitable) - I can't really see anything wrong with that.


Hi Sasquartch,

Yes, I think we all know our MP has a print business. I was asking whether he had any other outside interests that he will be declaring. I am sure he will reply.

David
Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: Max on June 06, 2005, 06:18:30 pm
Sasquartch,

Yes, Grant has now made his position clear. Of course I see nothing wrong with people building up their own companies and making good money from doing this. I merely believe that if it were not possible for a politician to earn a decent amount of money in a  fairly short time, this would be a serious disincentive to those coming from less well rewarded but no less admirable or necessary fields of endeavour, such as, say, the social services or technolgy based jobs where keeping up to date with new inovations is an essential aspect of remaining employable. Certainly, in my case, if I were to spend 8 years out of my professional field (oil exploration, if you were wondering) working as an MP, I would require a financial cushion that I could hope to keep me going for at least a year or two, before I had made up the ground necessary to get back into my former career.

jet,

We are governed by politicians elected under a system that most parties agree to. That we choose to continually elect parties that support the system as it now is suggests to me that there is a concensus to keep things as they are. Otherwise, we would vote for a party (eg the Lib Dems) that advocates changing the system to a proportional one. I really fail to see how restricting our choice to one of two parties could in any way be seen as a democratic move. What  law could you envoke to exclude the other parties from standing for office? I would, on the other hand, favour making voting compulsory. You could still spoil your ballot paper or be provided with the option "None of the above", if you did not wish to give your support to any candidate. It is far more likely that your 50% criterion would be satisfied in such circumstances, and I agree with you that this would be desirable. As things stand, we do not know whether those who do not vote are motivated by politcal considerations, or just sloth and apathy.



Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: Editor on June 06, 2005, 08:46:26 pm

Yes, Grant has now made his position clear.


Has he? I asked earlier in this thread whether he had any other business interests other than the print business we all know about, but apart from a reply from Sasquarch, our MP has not replied to this.

I understand the Register of Members' Interests is published in the autumn, so we should know by then, but I just thought he might clarify now so we know how focused he is able to be on local constituency issues.

David

Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: Max on June 06, 2005, 09:34:51 pm
The print business that I've worked for 15 years setting up from scratch and building into a reasonable company can hardly be considered as an outside consultancy in my case.  Anyone who has struggled and fought as a self-employed person building up their own business would take some offence from being lumped in wiith those who get elected and as a result of their position, accept paid consultancies.  I hope you'll accept that what I've done is entirely different.  Just for additional clarity, my print biz now operates without my direct input, so I am a full time MP and completely focused on Welwyn Hatfield.

Grant.
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Although he does not specifically state that he has no other businesses, I take it that this is implied when he states that he is a full time MP and "completely focused on Welwyn Hatfield".

Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: Grant Shapps MP on June 07, 2005, 12:18:46 am
Hi all,

Interesting debate. The point I was trying to make is that I’m a full time MP. That's what I do. Those who take the train in the morning will sometimes see me going to London, though my schedule is different everyday due to the unusual business hours at parliament.  Before I get on the train I'm working in the constituency on day to day case work, either from home, the constituency office or out and about visiting people and places in Welwyn Hatfield.

In terms of outside interests, I don't have anything that takes up any significant time. In the past three or four months I have visited my print business just once for a meeting which lasted around one hour. That's it!  I’ve worked hard for 15 years to specifically get the business running without my input.

Naturally when it comes to declaring for the register of interests I will mention my print biz (which as founder, I am still a Director of) and my online marketing company that I run alongside. Salaries are not actually declared in the Register, which is not intended to be a wealth index, but out of interest, I draw very little salary indeed and will be remunerated by dividends at the end of the year if my print business makes money (not a given as anyone in print will tell you).  Nothing that I do outside being the MP takes up any more time than say running this forum as a hobby for example and probably far less time than that, as I’ve described.

In terms of the general debate, I agree with quite a lot of the comment here. If we want career politicians we can have them quickly and easily, by banning any kind of outside interests at all, regardless of whether the outside interest came before or after the career in parliament (and that’s a big difference in my view). However, bear in mind that no outside interest by definition means a diminishing experience of the real world. I know who I'd rather have running the country. People with actual experience and at least a modicum of current exposure to the pressures of business, industry or even social services (…add your own profession here).

In reality I suspect the days of barristers working in the morning in their chambers and then voting in the afternoon have probably all but gone. I’ve just arrived home from the last vote and I write this after midnight.  My PA arrives here at 8am tomorrow morning to continue with case work, quite where another full or even part time profession would fit in, I can’t even imagine!

All the best,
Grant.

Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: jet on June 07, 2005, 07:42:18 pm
Wise man Grant, Dividends eh? and a low salary. That is tax and national insurance avoidance. If you do not take a reasonable salary and take a higher dividend than salary you may receive a nasty surprise from the tax man.
regards,
jet
Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: John_fraser on November 22, 2005, 10:05:22 pm
There’s a new website from the creators of the excellent They Work For You (http://www.theyworkforyou.com) called Hear from your MP (click here to link)  (http://www.hearfromyourmp.com/about) which aims to get MPs more in touch with the people the work for. Early days yet, but I recommend signing up because if enough of us do they will have to use it - and you won't have to sign up to any MP's spam email list.
Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: Grant Shapps MP on November 23, 2005, 02:28:12 pm
Hi All,

I've been in touch with the creator of They Work For You over recent weeks.  He's doing a great job with that site (which he seems to do for fun) and it really does make the work done at Westminster more accessible for everyone.

Some of the reporting features are a little bit blunt because, for example, if you speak several times during the same debate it only registers once. If you speak in the second debating chamber (it’s called Westminster Hall and most people outside Parliament aren’t even aware that it exists) that doesn’t register at all and nor do speeches in Committees (select or standing). A further improvement might be a section which lists how many Early Day Motions (EDMs) have been signed by your MP.

Nonetheless, it is a very worthwhile project and I've noticed that a lot of people contact me via that website. The new feature that you’re referring to is apparently in the experimental phase and it will be interesting to see how that develops.

Incidentally, as ever, if anyone needs to contact me directly they can always find me via www.TheyWorkForYou.com or by simply emailing me direct at grant@shapps.com -- I personally read and reply to every email that I receive.

All the best,
Grant Shapps MP
Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: Nemesis on January 19, 2006, 03:57:06 pm
Hi Grant

I see that your outside financial interests are becoming a bit clearer.

The 'Guardian' ran a piece in its Diary column on your parliamentary declaration of interests, which stated that you were not only a Director and major shareholder in your print business, PrintHouse Corporation, but were also a Director and major shareholder in How To Corp, a US-based internet marketing company.  A number of local residents have picked up the Guardian article and have commented in the letters columns of the Welwyn Hatfield Times.

It apears that you run How To Corp under the assumed name of 'Michael Green'.  Your explanation for this modesty is that you didn't want to confuse your constituents who might be surfing the internet for your political views on a particular topic.  Isn't this a tad disingenuous?  You must have known that if you were elected you would have to declare your financial interests and your ownership of your internet company would become public knowledge.

Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: John_fraser on January 19, 2006, 04:37:39 pm
Nemesis, naming yourself after the god of vengeance – I like your style.

Someone pointed Grant’s “other interests” out to me last year, prior to the election. At the time it rung alarm bells as I tend to equate assumed names with people with something to hide – which is the reason I post here under my own name. I did some digging, which was admittedly very limited, and found out that this had been reported a year earlier click here (http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:Q1HcQZAErp0J:www.marketingchick.com/blog/000123.shtml). I couldn’t find anyone making major complaints and couldn't see that he’d actually done anything wrong. I did check a little while ago that he had declared his interest in this company – too many MP ‘forget’ to – and he had.

I’m am pretty neutral when it comes to Grant – which is a lot more positive than our last two MPs – but I can’t see that he’s done anything wrong here.
Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: sasquartch on January 19, 2006, 04:43:42 pm
If Grant has correctly and properly declared his interests then what's the problem ?

Surely if he HADN'T declared something he should then that would be grounds for concern. As far as I can tell he has done everything correctly, unfortunately that can't be said for everyone in parliament (A certain minister and council tax springs to mind !)

There will always be people trying to rake up dirt about people in public office and of course it is important to know we are represented by honest people - however in this instance I really don't see a problem

Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: Bada Bing on January 20, 2006, 02:14:23 pm
Might not be to everyones taste but I see nothing wrong in what Grant has done.
Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: Nemesis on January 23, 2006, 09:30:09 pm
John Fraser

Thanks for unearthing the link to the internet marketing blog page which 'reveals' that 'Michael Green' (owner of HowToCorp) is Grant Shapps under an assumed name.  Googling 'Grant Shapps' gives over 20,000 hits, but only one (apart from the recent Guardian article and Welwyn Hatfield Times letters) makes this connection.  Good detective work! - but it illustrates my point that he has been extremely reticent in making public his ownership of HowToCorp.   

Sasquartch & Banda Bing

I am not suggesting that he has done anything 'wrong' in as far as informing the parliamentary authorities of his outside financial interests is concerned.  I am just puzzled as to why he didn't inform his constituents in Welwyn Hatfield about his second business.  Mr Shapps has an enviable talent for self-promotion and his ownership of printing company, PrintHouse Corporation, has been well publicised in his leaflets and on his website.  I would have thought that his ownership of an apparently successful internet marketing company would have been very suitable for inclusion in his CV.

Shouldn't the financial interests of elected public office holders be easily accessible and fully transparent to those who elected them?





 
Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: supersonic on January 23, 2006, 10:50:56 pm
Grant,

Great to see from your post on the Local crime and community policing thread that you're about and following what the community is saying. And a shame that at the same time you didn't have the courtesy to post an explanation on this thread about your apparent and less than transparent decision to disguise behind an assumed name your ownership of HowToCorp


supersonic
Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: Grant Shapps MP on January 23, 2006, 11:49:37 pm
>> Great to see from your post on the Local crime and community policing thread that you're about and following what the community is saying. And a shame that at the same time you didn't have the courtesy to post an explanation on this thread about your apparent and less than transparent decision to disguise behind an assumed name your ownership of HowToCorp

Thought that dealing with the serious problems of the break-ins in Brookmans Park were more important to post on than a discussion about my personal business, which I've properly declared in the members interests - without which we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

Grant Shapps MP
Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: john on January 24, 2006, 08:25:24 am
If we now know that Michael Green = Grant, wouldn't it be only fair to know who Nemesis is ... ?   
Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: sasquartch on January 24, 2006, 11:25:57 am
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  Shouldn't the financial interests of elected public office holders be easily accessible and fully transparent to those who elected them?
 

Well I think they quite evidently are - Grant has declared all his interests properly.

The important thing surely, is that Grant is getting involved in local issues which after all, is why many people voted for him.

Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: steve on January 24, 2006, 06:33:37 pm
i think he does a good job
Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: Bada Bing on January 25, 2006, 07:59:03 am
So far I feel he is doing a good job.

Let's offer him our support and encouragement and see what happens.
Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: sasquartch on January 25, 2006, 09:29:52 am
I agree, let's judge Grant on his performance as our MP - let's face it I can't imagine Melanie Johnson ever having the slightest interest in BP
Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: southbury on January 25, 2006, 09:54:32 am
Absolutely.
Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: Cassie on January 25, 2006, 10:25:45 am
I agree, let's judge Grant on his performance as our MP - let's face it I can't imagine Melanie Johnson ever having the slightest interest in BP

... and not just Brookmans Park!!

Would like to echo the thoughts of the above - well done, so far, Grant :)
Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: Nemesis on January 25, 2006, 10:37:45 pm
Sasquatch, Steve, Bada Bing, Southbury and Cassie:

You seem to be missing the point.  Regardless of whether or not he is doing a 'good job', he was not forthcoming before the general election on his second business, which, in case I need to remind you, he runs under an assumed name.  Surely the electors of Welwyn Hatfield deserved to be made aware of this before they cast their votes, and not have to wait until after he was elected and was obliged to reveal it in the statutory declaration of interests.

As he says: "....... without [the declaration of members interests] we wouldn't even be having this conversation."

People running for public office should be completely transparent about their outside interests, and would-be MPs should reveal to their electors everything they know they would later have to declare to the parliamentary authorities.

In public life, doing a 'good job' is not enough.

 
Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: supersonic on January 25, 2006, 11:26:02 pm
Hi Nemesis, I came on line this evening to say pretty much exactly what you have so eloquently written! Thank you.

Grant, you put yourself up as a representative of us, the people, and as far as I can tell you have been involved with/campaigning for public office for some considerable time. Given this I dont understand why a) you chose to try and disguise your ownership of HowToCorp and b) why having been 'found out' you are continuing to dodge the question and evade giving an answer.

As I say, you chose to put yourself up as a public servant, and having done so I do not think it an unfair request that you be asked to give a clear explanation of what seems to have been a less than transparent action by you.


supersonic

 

Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: Bob Horrocks on January 26, 2006, 11:33:14 am
Given the choice between Grant Shapps and Melanie Johnson, people preferred Grant as their MP.  Would it have made any difference if you had known how many businesses he has?  No.

All this attempt at muck raking is just sour grapes, as witnessed in the letters page of the Welwyn Hatfield Times.

Just read that paper any week and see how often Grant and his wife Belinda get mentioned for positive reasons i.e. they have done something for Welwyn hatfield.  Compare this with our previous MP and be glad that we have now got an MP who is interested in his constituency. 



Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: sasquartch on January 26, 2006, 12:25:06 pm
Supersonic you seem to be saying that the fact that Grant has a business he didn't publicise makes him dodgy or unfit to be an MP in some way.

It wouldn't have affected my decision to vote for him in any way.

His main business is PrintHouse which he has always made clear, the business to which you refer is US based and probably has little relevance to his constituents.

So what if he uses a different name ?? He has explained the reason. You might not agree with him but I think his reason is perfectly acceptable to me.

Grant has done everything properly and so far has been an excellent MP. He is a sucessful businessman and hs exactly the  right sort of experience to make a difference and get things done.

Why are people so hell-bent on portraying every little thing into some sort of negative context ? If there really was something dodgy about him I'd want to know but there simply isn't anything in this.

Let's be grateful we don't have an MP like George Galloway !
Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: John_fraser on January 26, 2006, 12:31:20 pm
I agree that he should have made all of his business dealings clear, as (I hope) he has done now. In public life transparency should always be the default. That said, however, as far as I can tell HowToCorp is not a dishonest or disreputable company nor do there appear to be hordes of disgruntled customers lining up to list grievances. It is not Enron and if Grant had declared his interest prior to the election I very much doubt that it would have changed the minds of a significant number of voters – if any. My own personal opinion is that his election was mostly to do with the very real failing or our last MP as well as the real and perceived failings of the government.

Grant does not appear to have broken any laws or rules and Nemesis does not appear to be accusing him of having done so. While I agree he wasn’t 100% transparent, I don’t feel that he was being dishonest or particularly disingenuous, although a few may disagree. It appears to me that this thread was started to cast doubt upon his integrity, but it lacks any substance.


P.S.
(Prior to his appearance on Celebrity Big Brother) I would have happily voted for George Galloway.
Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: southbury on January 26, 2006, 12:36:35 pm
I agree totally with the 2 posts above. I did not vote for Grant for 'political' reasons. However, ironically I was delighted when he was returned as our MP.
Whatever their political persuasion I want an MP who is passionate about local issues and about representing the needs and views of their constituents.
I e-mailed Grant to see if there was anything to do to get the police to take the break-ins seriously and to take some measures to improve security in BP in general. He acted immediately . What more can we ask for ?
Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: Cassie on December 24, 2007, 05:03:55 pm
Good luck to Grant who is sleeping on the streets tonight to get an insight into how it feels to be homeless.

I think it would be a good idea if other MPs did this sort of thing to know how life is for other people

Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: jet on December 24, 2007, 09:50:57 pm
Perhaps it would be more usefull if he did the job he was elected for and concentrated on removing the opposition from power, thus preventing poverty at source rather than performing a cheap gesture that acieves nothing but self publicity?
Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: Alfred the Great on December 24, 2007, 10:27:21 pm
Welcome back Jet
Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: Bob Horrocks on December 28, 2007, 11:34:00 am
Did JET comment on another 'cheap stunt' when a certain 'GB' went to Iraq during the Conservative conference to (re) announce troop withdrawals? 

The only way the Opposition can force an election is by winning a vote of no confidence in the Government.

As someone who now lives in Eire, could JET tell us whether or not Eire is going to hold a referendum on the EU Treaty, or whatever name the Constitution hides under nowadays?  Another 'cheap stunt' pledge that disappeared mighty quickly once you know who got elected.

What will 2008 bring us, I wonder?
Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: jet on December 28, 2007, 06:24:01 pm
There will be a referendum in the Republic this year.
It is part of the Republic written constitution ( something that divided Britain has never had) that anything that affects the country as a whole must go to a vote.
Eire is the only country not to sign up without referendum and guess what if we reject it? All the other countries signitures count for nowt.
This may happen purely because Eire has been the recipient of some of the worse individuals from Eastern Europe this last two years and the indiginous population has had enough.
As for Grant, his words were "publicity stunt"  not mine. I added my own word as I saw fit.
His "stunt" made the media ( BBC) and teletext/cefax letter pages ( read by millions)
The Labour party soon jumped on Grants "stunt" by calling him to task over the lack of housing caused by the Conservative parties policies 11 years ago.
Now if we ( I am a British citizen with an English abode ) ever want to kick this lot out and get people like myself ( and many others from BP who have left ) to return we need better attempts than the Tory's have managed this last few years.
I did not coment on "GB" because it was something particular to Britain rather than BP and therefore not a local issue. Grants performance is a local issue.
Slan Abhaille you all
Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: Bob Horrocks on December 31, 2007, 11:46:00 am
Thanks JET for letting us know about the Irish referendum.  Something juicy to look forward to in 2008!

I am not sure which is harder - being the ruling party or being the opposition.  When you think about it, both have been doing publicity stunts for centuries e.g. King Canute failing to stop the tide coming in.  Cromwell and his Roundheads opposed the Crown and finally became the rulers.

Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: jet on January 01, 2008, 04:56:03 pm
Just think Bob 1 million Irish votors could save 200 million people from the reality of being ocupied by an EU police force or EU army!
Those who use publicity stunts get remembered for all the wrong reasons :o
What oposition party are you refering too, I was not aware of any opposition to new labour ???
Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: Grant Shapps MP on January 04, 2008, 12:34:32 am
My frustration about homelessness is that the media aren't particularly interested in covering this subject. I'd published a couple of carefully researched, well-meaning, reports during the past year, but the pick up was minimal, despite the really startling facts contained within them.

But when I slept rough, that brought the media out to cover the issue and if that meant that people were talking about homelessness over Christmas, then that's a good thing. The only thing is that homelessness is a problem 365 days a year, so we shouldn't forget about it now.

There's BBC coverage here and an article where I explain why I did it and what I found here:
http://www.shapps.com/forum/index.php?topic=2525.msg22887#msg22887

Happy New Year,
Grant.
Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: John_fraser on May 13, 2010, 06:13:13 pm
I see Grant is now Minister of State for Housing and Planning: "Grant Shapps appointed as housing minister (http://www.mortgagestrategy.co.uk/economy/news/grant-shapps-appointed-as-housing-minister/1011721.article)"

Congratulations to him.
Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: LongTallSally on May 14, 2010, 08:40:21 am
Well done Grant and good luck.
Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: sasquartch on May 14, 2010, 09:17:52 am
Grant

Let's hope you are able to address the concerns of many of your constituents regarding recent developments in Welham Green.
Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: Greybeard on September 03, 2012, 04:16:47 pm
Seems The Guardian had the story first, but this is from The Telegraph. More at the link:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/mediatechnologyandtelecoms/digital-media/9517370/Grant-Shapps-business-plagiarising-software-and-breaching-Googles-rules.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/mediatechnologyandtelecoms/digital-media/9517370/Grant-Shapps-business-plagiarising-software-and-breaching-Googles-rules.html)

And just as there's a reshuffle looming. Some of his quoted comments seem ... well, form your own conclusions.
Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: Therock on September 03, 2012, 06:52:48 pm
A excellent MP for us, and Lovely wife and Family.  Dont worry about petty things go after the BIG BIG Fish who are robbing millions of us.  He is doing a Great Job and is Not Going anywhere Mark my Words. Keep it up Granto.
Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: Mr Green on September 03, 2012, 11:05:29 pm
He has done good things as an MP and he puts the effort in. As a constituent I have taken pride in being able to say “My MP came out OK in the MP’s expenses fraud scandal”. Grant deserves credit for his record.

However, this is an own goal. It appears seedy and opportunist. One bad mark does not erase a job well done, however I hope this is not a taste of things to come. Politically, Grant may be destined for greater things, but with that comes greater scrutiny. Grant, are there more skeletons waiting to be exposed? We’ve given you our vote and trust, don’t embarrass us!
Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: Greybeard on September 04, 2012, 08:54:11 am
I think this is the website

http://trafficpaymaster.com/ (http://trafficpaymaster.com/)
Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: sasquartch on September 04, 2012, 10:10:38 am
I'm having trouble understanding what's wrong with this.

It's a software product for SEO (Search Engine Optimisation) - one of lots of solutions around. Are people saying it's illegal, or immoral, or what ?

What exactly is the issue with Grant having business interests, he is a successful businessman (which he makes no secret of) and as long as other people are running the business on his behalf and he is putting all his engergies into being a government minister and our local MP that's fine by me.

Compared to our last MP Grant has done an excellent job.
Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: Mr Green on September 04, 2012, 10:36:41 am
I agree that Grant has been a very good MP and I don’t object to him having a business interest, I object to software which auto generates pages and pages of recycled content on the net. Pages the creators themselves don’t read or have any human editorial input in.

Such software may be a cash generator for the person who uses it to recycle other people’s material but what benefit does it bring to general web user. None. It bloats out the web with content already available. To me it should be bracketed with junk mail through the letter box and annoying cold callers at your door or phone. Why not do something unique, something that benefits others. This software has no merit and the web would be a better place without it.

Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: sasquartch on September 04, 2012, 10:46:43 am
But does this have any bearing on his abilities as an MP ?

Completely irrelevant to Grant's political activities and nothing to do with the government reshuffle which the OP seems to allude to.
Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: peppermint on September 04, 2012, 02:31:38 pm
Just heard on the radio that Grant is now Conservative Party Chairman.
Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: Greybeard on September 04, 2012, 02:40:25 pm
Yes it didn't do him any harm :)
Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: sasquartch on September 04, 2012, 02:49:08 pm
Is Party Chairman considered a promotion from Housing Minister ?

(Genuine question :-) )
Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: trekbat on September 04, 2012, 03:16:08 pm
Traditionally, the most important posts have been PM; Chancellor; Foreign Secretary. But in answer to the question, I'd say party chairman was more important than a housing minister.

--------------

Congratulations to Grant on his new role as Conservative Party chairman.

Now he'll no longer be able to say that he is just an MP, and get Conservative-controlled HCC to change its plans to build an incinerator in Hatfield.

Of course, he could maintain that it would be improper for him to intervene but that would only fuel suspicions that he has just been saying he is against it to appease the voters (hence the self-sabotaged petition and the sale of glorified anti-incinerator rubber bands).

Question for voters is: do you want a powerful MP who is not prepared to use his influence for the benefit of the people who voted him into power?

Of course, if he is not capable of getting members of his own party - on a single county council - to change their minds it rather raises a question about his suitability for his new, enhanced role.
Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: Bob Horrocks on September 06, 2012, 02:20:37 pm
Some interesting (to me anyway) comments in the Daily Telegraph recently including a comparison of our MP to 'Marmite' - you either love him or hate him.  This is evident in the letters in the WH Times.
One advantage of being so close to London is that Grant does live in his constituency and is out and about in the area most Fridays at least.

It seems that he has a major task of increasing Tory Party membership which has lost about 81,000 members (258,000 in 2005 to 177,000 now) during Mr Cameron's period as leader.  Grant is a great salesman but he has to have a good product to sell.  We shall see.  Having been secretary of our local Green Belt Society for 17 years until I stood down this year, they would be losing my vote if they relax the protection of the Green Belt.
Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: Editor on September 06, 2012, 08:48:49 pm
But does this have any bearing on his abilities as an MP ?

As with all public servants it comes down to integrity. A free press is there to ask questions on behalf of the electorate and then scrutinise the answers. All healthy stuff.
Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: Editor on September 07, 2012, 09:08:22 pm
More developments on this story published on The Guardian website this evening.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012/sep/07/google-blacklists-websites-grant-shapps-family (http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012/sep/07/google-blacklists-websites-grant-shapps-family)
Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: John_fraser on September 08, 2012, 01:24:11 pm
I think a sense of perspective is required here:


IMHO some journalist started digging round to find some dirt on politicians who came out of the expenses scandal looking clean. This was the worst they could find. It's minor and not directly connected. Of course the journalist can't write the headline "We can't find anything wrong doing by Grant Shapps", so they wrote this article instead and tried to made it look like a big deal. Most people can see this story doesn't have legs and will die soon.
Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: Therock on September 08, 2012, 07:44:41 pm
As I said in my post Nothing will happen to Grant,its all Pathetic scaremongering by the Crappy press.
Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: larrylamb on September 08, 2012, 07:56:16 pm
As I said in my post Nothing will happen to Grant,its all Pathetic scaremongering by the Crappy press.
you wordsmith.
Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: Editor on September 09, 2012, 09:04:33 am
I think a sense of perspective is required here:

Perspectives are good, but they are subjective. Perfectly okay for forums like this where the general public discuss issues.

However, regarding news coverage (as opposed to opinion pieces), journalists should ensure that what they investigate is in the public interest, is objective, impartial and fair, and that all facts have been checked thoroughly. Not all succeed, some don't even try.

Today's story in The Observer claiming that changes were made to the Grant Shapps Wikipedia entry (http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012/sep/08/grants-shapps-altered-wikipedia-entry), if true, would be in the public interest.

Friday's piece in The Guardian about his Twitter habits (http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012/sep/07/grant-shapps-twitter-followers-analysis) is, if true, more amusing than anything. Probably not worth running as a separate piece.

But the latest Daily Mail story (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2200460/How-beat-slump-jet-skiing-knitting-Torys-alter-ego.html) just seems to be a mean-spirited rehash of old material and is, in my opinion, of dubious value. I would not have run the piece if it had been up to me.

Applying the public interest test (http://www.mediahelpingmedia.org/training-resources/journalism-basics/360-applying-the-public-interest-test-to-journalism) should be at the heart of all robust journalism.  Sadly it's not.
Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: Editor on October 03, 2012, 12:08:11 pm
Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: sasquartch on October 03, 2012, 12:13:21 pm
So it appears one 'blogger' who clearly isn't using his real name has made a complaint.

Which hasn't been investigated yet.

So it appears that this is just a desperate exercise to try and drag up some dirt on a government minister.

I can't help feeling there are far more worthy targets in the government and elsewhere
Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: Mr Green on October 03, 2012, 04:20:52 pm
.. there are far more worthy targets in the government ...

So you agree, he is a worthy target then.
Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: Editor on October 03, 2012, 04:34:48 pm
So it appears one 'blogger' who clearly isn't using his real name has made a complaint.

Shocking, posting under a false name? Clearly, we can't trust a word that blogger writes/says.  But don't worry Sasquartch, I am sure the Advertising Standards Agency (http://www.asa.org.uk/) will be thorough, fair and will use totally transparent and fully accountable procedures.

 :)
Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: sasquartch on October 03, 2012, 04:39:47 pm
The only point I am trying to make is that a complaint has been made.

That's all, until such point that it is upheld I don't think he should be prejudged as guilty, that's all.

Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: Editor on October 03, 2012, 04:46:22 pm
That's all, until such point that it is upheld I don't think he should be prejudged as guilty, that's all.

Who on this forum is saying he is guilty of anything?
Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: Editor on October 03, 2012, 04:53:15 pm
Oh no, it seems Nightlondon has changed his identity to Mr Green (http://www.brookmans.com/forum/index.php/topic,3835.msg30574.html#msg30574), and the avatar of his name badge saying Michael Green must prove it is him, or does it? Hard to know who to believe anymore.

 :icon_jokercolor:

Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: Mr Green on October 03, 2012, 08:14:47 pm
Hard to know who to believe anymore.
 :icon_jokercolor:

Working out who to believe is a process of elimination. Start with politicians and salesmen (they're really just the same anyway) - add in anyone claiming to represent god and hopefully you'll be left with a manageable number.

Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: Editor on October 03, 2012, 09:00:35 pm
Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: Mermaid on October 05, 2012, 07:49:40 am
Front page of The Independent this morning:

"The company founded by the Conservative Party chairman Grant Shapps is to be investigated by the advertising watchdog after he was found to have been posing as a web guru named Michael Green to sell get-rich-quick advice over the internet.

The Advertising Standards Authority (ASA) has begun an investigation into an allegation that the business has misled the public by presenting "Michael Green" as a genuine businessman with a personal fortune of $28m (£17m)"

"A key focus of the ASA investigation will be whether the claims made by HowToCorp's Green, who has told potential customers of his $28m fortune and ownership of two high-end luxury aircraft and offered to disclose his business tips in the advice manuals advertised by the firm, are misleading."

Full story at http://www.independent.co.uk/ (http://www.independent.co.uk/)
Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: trekbat on October 05, 2012, 09:02:19 am
WHT identifies the complainant:

"AN investigation into MP Grant Shapps’ former internet business could be over before it has begun – after the complainant published a private letter from the Advertising Standards Authority (ASA)...The complaint, by university lecturer Aiden Byrne, argued that the website painted Mr Shapps’ pen names of Michael Green and Sebastian Fox as real businessmen, and asked the authority to examine whether online testimonials praising HowToCorps’ products were genuine."

http://www.whtimes.co.uk/news/grant_shapps_web_business_investigation_could_close_1_1572135 (http://www.whtimes.co.uk/news/grant_shapps_web_business_investigation_could_close_1_1572135)


"Aidan Byrne is a Senior Lecturer in English and Media and Cultural Studies based at Wolverhampton City Campus. His research covers Welsh literature, working-class writing, the literatures of 1939-45, children’s literature and new media. He is also interested in political discourse and theories of reading. He is a member of the English Society, the Association of Welsh Writing in English, a peer-reviewer for its journal, Almanac, and an Editorial Board member of Australasian Canadian Studies."

http://www.wlv.ac.uk/default.aspx?page=23613 (http://www.wlv.ac.uk/default.aspx?page=23613)
Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: trekbat on October 05, 2012, 02:50:11 pm
Seems an odd for him to use aliases like Michael Green and Sebastian Fox. Surely he must have known that this would come out - particularly as he was rising in the ranks and was bound to have his life gone over with a fine-toothed comb. And if he didn't then that's a bad judgement call.

Interesting also that although this story has been boiling away for some time the WHT have only really decided to cover it in this week's issue - and even that is largely to rubbish it. No one else seems to be saying that the ASA is not going to investigate the complaint.

Last time I checked he hadn't issued any statement on his forum - at least not in his own name.
Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: Mr Green on October 05, 2012, 09:30:20 pm
I'm having trouble understanding what's wrong with this.

Grant isn't - the software has been taken off sale.

Why would you do that?

Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: Editor on October 08, 2012, 07:32:53 am
You can switch the advert off after five seconds.

Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: Mr Green on October 08, 2012, 09:18:40 am
Love the news clip above, I watched it on 4News last night and enjoyed it so much I watched it again and 4News+1.
I seem to remember another bit on a book he had released which was a copy of an old - out of copyright - text.
Shapps Green  was claiming it was a valuable hard to find book -  but Michael Crick had bought a copy on-line for £7.42 and there are electronic versions available for FREE. LOL.
This is turning into our own local soap opera.
Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: Editor on October 08, 2012, 09:26:31 pm
The Guardian is leading tonight with an update on the How To Corp websites.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012/oct/08/grant-shapps-how-to-corp-michael-green (http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012/oct/08/grant-shapps-how-to-corp-michael-green)


And Michael Crick is not giving up on his search for answers.

http://blogs.channel4.com/michael-crick-on-politics/grant-shapps-and-the-mysterious-testimonials/1765 (http://blogs.channel4.com/michael-crick-on-politics/grant-shapps-and-the-mysterious-testimonials/1765)


And there are claims the ASA has decided not to investigate.

Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: Mr Green on October 08, 2012, 09:51:08 pm
And there are claims the ASA has decided not to investigate.

If this is true, many across our land may cry cover up and scorn their inability to right this wrong.
Us WelHat folk however have a privileged opportunity to demonstrate our displeasure at the polls.





Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: Mr Green on October 08, 2012, 09:55:34 pm
Most people can see this story doesn't have legs and will die soon.

If a day is a long time in politics how long is a month?
Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: Editor on October 09, 2012, 07:55:40 am
Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: Editor on October 09, 2012, 01:29:01 pm
Political commentator and author Michael Crick @MichaelLCrick (https://twitter.com/MichaelLCrick) in Tory conference pass mystery, but still seems to be chasing the ASA story.  Busy on Twitter this morning.



And he is not the type to give up easily.




Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: Ferdie on October 10, 2012, 08:12:25 pm
Totally agree our local MP and Co Chairman of the Tory Party should be challenged and held to account, but concerned this forum should be non political. Including 6 posts from Twitter in this forum which are from a former election agent for the Labour Party and a number of books published with a left wing perspective, is unlikely to have an unbiased view on a Conservative MP. Just a thought...  ;)

This weeks Welwyn Hatfield Times has a 2 page spread "After weeks of allegations, Grant Shapps MP talks exclusively to the WHT" He claims that he has been "Open about (his) pen name" and "People will have to come to their own conclusions whether they think this is an effective smear campaign"
Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: Editor on October 10, 2012, 09:11:23 pm
Totally agree our local MP and Co Chairman of the Tory Party should be challenged and held to account, but concerned this forum should be non political. Including 6 posts from Twitter in this forum which are from a former election agent for the Labour Party and a number of books published with a left wing perspective, is unlikely to have an unbiased view on a Conservative MP. Just a thought...  ;)

Hi Ferdie, don't worry, this site is non-political and will remain so. In regards to Michael Crick's tweets, he has been investigating this story trying to find answers and the tweets (only a few of many) touch on some of yesterday's developments.  Today he has blogged "Testimonials story a ‘political smear’ says Shapps (http://blogs.channel4.com/michael-crick-on-politics/testimonials-story-a-political-smear-says-shapps/1809)", quoting our MP's rebuttals.
Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: Mr Green on October 11, 2012, 10:34:49 pm
Michael Grant on Question Time tonight, should be good. I wonder if Corinne Stockheath will ask a question.
Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: James Bentall on October 11, 2012, 11:07:41 pm
Unlikely I feel. Along with some of the other real reviewers Grant had, they seem to have moved on to running a debt counselling business

http://creditcardsandhelp.com/testimonial.php (http://creditcardsandhelp.com/testimonial.php)

Or was it that they were busy bringing up a family?

http://iamparent.info/testimonials.php (http://iamparent.info/testimonials.php)

Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: Mr Green on October 12, 2012, 08:06:43 am
Quote from last night's Q-Time

David Dimbleby "If we had Michael Green, Alias Grant Shapps as prime minister, I'm told we could give him $200 to buy some software and we would make $20,000 in 20 days or get our money back."
Shapps "You shouldn't believe everything you read"

You got that right Grant, we can't even be sure some people exist, let alone what they say.  :icon_scratch:
Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: Editor on October 12, 2012, 08:19:59 am
A blogger has published what he claims is the text to which Dimbleby may have been referring.  The blogger claims to have saved an archived copy before the site became unavailable.


Here is the link to the piece referred to in the tweet above which was sent out this morning.

http://www.bloggerheads.com/archives/2012/10/howtocorp-2020-challenge/ (http://www.bloggerheads.com/archives/2012/10/howtocorp-2020-challenge/)
Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: Editor on October 12, 2012, 08:03:19 pm
Another Michael Green story in The Guardian tonight. Surely the first two paragraphs can't be true.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012/oct/12/grant-shapps-parliament-michael-green (http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012/oct/12/grant-shapps-parliament-michael-green)
Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: Mr Green on October 12, 2012, 10:48:33 pm
When David Dimbleby asked Sebastian Grant how many people he had to pay back the $200 he replied,

For viewers who are not aware, this was before I was in politics, I used to write business publications under the penname Michael Green."

So HowCome Grant's HowToCorp's generous offer of $20,000 in 20 days was promoted on a website first registered in 2007 (Grant became our MP in 2005)  :icon_scratch:

Oh! what a tangled web we weave
When first we practice to deceive!
Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: trekbat on October 17, 2012, 03:05:42 pm
Another Michael Green story in The Guardian tonight. Surely the first two paragraphs can't be true.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012/oct/12/grant-shapps-parliament-michael-green (http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012/oct/12/grant-shapps-parliament-michael-green)

IF it's not true he should sue for libel.

PS
Funny script message appearing when I hit the reply button on this thread.
Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: epiphany on November 30, 2012, 03:22:23 pm
Has anybody else noticed that Grant Shapps appears to be slowly morphing into Tony Blair?

http://www.whtimes.co.uk/news/grant_shapps_has_no_plans_to_become_conservative_party_leader_1_1716742 (http://www.whtimes.co.uk/news/grant_shapps_has_no_plans_to_become_conservative_party_leader_1_1716742)
Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: Bedlam on December 01, 2012, 07:37:16 pm
Has anybody else noticed that Grant Shapps appears to be slowly morphing into Tony Blair?

Nope, I haven't noticed Grant Scapps becoming an imbecile.
No-one else could repeat Bliars/Brown's failings, they both should be in jail for some of their actions, epecially Gordon Brown for the harm he caused to  the UK economy.
Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: Greybeard on February 19, 2013, 12:29:32 pm
The Telegraph's Michael Deacon at the Eastleigh by-election

Quote
Joining her on her door-knocking expedition was Grant Shapps, the Tory party chairman. Both wore dark blue anoraks. Mrs Hutchings’s anorak had her name on it in big letters; Mr Shapps’s was blank. As we know from his former career as an author of pseudonymous get-rich-quick guides, Mr Shapps likes to go by a variety of names, so perhaps he couldn’t decide which one to pick.

Anyway, he seemed ideal for door-knocking: bouncy, good at smiling and laughing and looking interested, and handsome, in a bland, unthreatening sort of way. If his political career falters, he’ll make a fine GMTV presenter.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9878221/Sketch-Maria-Hutchings-sets-Eastleigh-straight.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9878221/Sketch-Maria-Hutchings-sets-Eastleigh-straight.html)
Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: Alex on May 11, 2015, 09:56:08 pm
So Grant has been given the big shove then?!
Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: hilarycarlen on May 11, 2015, 10:55:15 pm
Poor DfID. 
Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: hilarycarlen on May 13, 2015, 08:49:32 pm
I wrote a post about Grant Shapps’s “suitability” for his post in DfID, which was censored by the editor in case my words might invite legal action (presumably by Mr Shapps).

So instead of my words, here are some links to the newspaper articles to which my post referred. No, this isn’t a load of rabid stuff out of the left wing press.  All but one of these links are to openly Tory or currently conservative-leaning newspapers. Just one is to the Guardian, which was the only paper to really cover Shapps punishing attempt to silence his constituent who was correctly revealing that Shapps was making untrue claims not to have had a second job whilst serving as an MP.

The Daily Mail on the way he made his money: Here (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3006491/Full-toe-curling-sales-pitch-used-Tory-Grant-Shapps-convince-people-make-filthy-stinking-rich-bargain-130.html)

The (now Tory supporting) Independent on his position vis a vis his new boss Justine Greening: Here (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/andy-mcsmiths-diary-grant-shapps-working-under-justine-greening-could-be-interesting-10245392.html)

The independent again on how he is accused of editing his rivals' Wikipedia pages, including that of Justine Greening: Here (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/generalelection/grant-shapps-accused-of-editing-his-conservative-rivals-wikipedia-pages-and-deleting-references-to-his-embarrassing-past-10193510.html)

The Telegraph on his demotion: Here (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/11598605/Grant-Shapps-sacked-from-Cabinet-by-David-Cameron.html)

The Sun on the demotion: Here (http://www.sunnation.co.uk/all-the-reasons-grant-shapps-demotion-was-richly-deserved/)

The Evening standard on his sensitivity to the those less wealthy than himself:  Here (http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/danny-alexander-i-thought-grant-shapps-bingo-and-beer-campaign-poster-was-a-spoof-9204440.html)

The Guardian (OK, one entry) on how he threatened to sue the constituent who correctly revealed his untrue statements.  Here (http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/mar/16/revealed-grant-shapps-threat-to-sue-constituent-over-michael-green-post)

OK, I unreservedly withdraw my claim that the only people who will feel reassured by his appointment to the Dept for International Development are those people in Nigeria who keep sending me emails offering me untold fortunes if I give them my bank details and a load of money upfront.  I apologise.  I was hyperbolising and just making this up.  I actually have no idea how they will feel about it.  And there might be other people somewhere who feel reassured by his new role in International Development.  I just don't know who they are.

But yes, Poor DiFD.  All of the above will be a horrible distraction from the desperately important work that they are there to do.
Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: John_fraser on May 14, 2015, 09:00:36 pm
I hate coming to the defence of any politician, but I think Hillary's penultimate paragraph is outrageous. People may not like Grant Shapps as a person (although most have probably never met him), people may well object to his politics and as someone who has stood for public office he should expect to have his actions held up for examination and even ridicule. However, even if every link above is 100% true, there is no claim (let alone evidence) that he has conducted illegal activities. To bracket him with 419 scammers, who are certainly breaking many laws is just mud slinging. If you want to attack the man your links show there enough ammunition without using scurrilous comparisons.

I am also disgusted that this site's editor saw this and allowed it to stand. I have seen (and had) far more innocuous posts removed.
Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: hilarycarlen on May 14, 2015, 10:50:57 pm
Quote
there is no claim (let alone evidence) that he has conducted illegal activities.


This post will doubtless last no longer than my previous ones.  Guess I'll put the letter through your door John!




http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/files/2013/11/downloaded_file.pdf (http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/files/2013/11/downloaded_file.pdf)



Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: Chungdokwan on May 15, 2015, 09:16:21 am
Until this changes, and with the threat from the cult that is IS it just might have to, in the United Kingdom a person remains innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.

Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: Buster on May 15, 2015, 01:00:34 pm
All seems very personal and like John I agree totally unnessary.
Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: BrookyP on May 16, 2015, 04:23:39 pm
Im no Tory and disagree strongly with their stance on the NHS and public sector cuts, but this stuff is all public domain and not sure of the relevance of including it all here.


Grant Shapps (amongst others) did a lot to shut down the big log burner up the A1000 and I'm thankful to him for that. ;D


Just my opinion.


Ta BP


Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: peppermint on May 20, 2015, 08:37:02 pm
Me too  :)
Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: Helen on May 20, 2015, 11:28:45 pm
Me three!  ;)
Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: Sisyphus on May 21, 2015, 05:40:22 pm
Make that four :)
Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: Bedlam on June 03, 2015, 09:20:50 pm
I hate coming to the defence of any politician, but I think Hillary's penultimate paragraph is outrageous. People may not like Grant Shapps as a person (although most have probably never met him), people may well object to his politics and as someone who has stood for public office he should expect to have his actions held up for examination and even ridicule. However, even if every link above is 100% true, there is no claim (let alone evidence) that he has conducted illegal activities. To bracket him with 419 scammers, who are certainly breaking many laws is just mud slinging. If you want to attack the man your links show there enough ammunition without using scurrilous comparisons.

I am also disgusted that this site's editor saw this and allowed it to stand. I have seen (and had) far more innocuous posts removed.

I'd welcome you along side me in the trenches
Title: Re: Grant Shapps MP
Post by: Bedlam on June 04, 2015, 06:27:11 pm
Completely off topic for this thread at the moment, but can I just say to Grant how nice it is to see our elected member of parliament commenting on a local forum, and I hope his involvement and willingness to answer points directed at him will continue - thanks.
Without reading the whole of the thread, I agree with and repeat James' appraisal of Grant Schapps, IMHO a good bloke to have as an MP