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Title: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Editor on January 31, 2002, 01:25:37 am
There were some strong views expressed in this site's old 'Have Your Say' section about dogs fouling the grass verges.  While many dog owners do clear up after their pets what can be done to encourage those that don't to take more responsibility for the actions of their animals?
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Alfred the Great on January 31, 2002, 11:00:10 pm
 ;)Quite simply, the persons doing these things should be followed home to find their address and then the offending material returned to them. They might then get the message. After all, the only reason most people walk their dog is not so that Fido gets his exercise but to prevent the mess in their own gardens! Just take a walk near the Gobions car park or the footpath near Mymms Drive (near the new house) and you'll see what I mean.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: crazymonkey on February 01, 2002, 08:07:01 pm
Recently I went to Gobions Open Space with my family.  We were GOING to play football but we couldn't out of fear of stepping in dog muck.

I think people in Brookmans Park should clear up after their dogs, especially in a public area.

It is not fair because it's our space too and there are a lot of red bins so why do people not clear up after their dogs?

???
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Mooniemad on April 26, 2002, 05:53:55 pm
 I totally agrees. It is terrible. If I'm right it carries a £1000 fine. I once had a mate who got gang green from an infection he recieved from dogs mess. He had cut his knee in a footie match and then it later got infected as some mess on the pitch had managed to get into the cut.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: jet on April 26, 2002, 06:26:31 pm
Barkers eggs, this is a very sticky subject ;D
No offense intended for persons infected or with gangrene :(
regards,
jet
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Mooniemad on May 08, 2002, 12:07:26 am
 I've just witnessed a man with a dog who lives mid oaklands avenue. This an lets his dog go up our neghbours drive and do its business.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Mooniemad on July 20, 2002, 02:08:45 pm
 The other day I went on a walk round Gobians and I was upset at the amount of dogs muck I had to dodge and the terrible smell I kept coming across. Can anyone explain why someone has let their dog do its stuff all along the Gardens?
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: jet on July 21, 2002, 03:32:49 am
Yes the stink in certain places over gobions is a bit well disgusting to say the least.
But what keeps leaving its calling card in the centre of my front lawn, either a dog on a very long lead or some other kind of quadruped springs to mind.
Its like a landmine when the mower catches it, yuck :o
Also ever noticed the general stink just before bin day its all over the vill. Bl**dy bags whats the matter with good old fashioned bins. ??? ??? ???
We are supposed to be civilised :'(
regards,
jet
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Mallow on July 21, 2002, 11:09:36 pm
Maybe it is fox pooh, perhaps they don't respect your love for them.  They are vermin afterall!! ;D
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: John_fraser on July 21, 2002, 11:23:00 pm
Just like the people who don't clean up after their dogs.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Editor on July 21, 2002, 11:51:42 pm
You can rely on the Americans to come with a solution. The dog diaper for solid and liquid waste from www.dog-diaper.com (http://www.dog-diaper.com/)  ;D

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Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: crazymonkey on July 22, 2002, 12:00:09 am
 Good one ! I mean no more lifting your leg and no more bending down or squatting they can go as they GO  ;D And now we can play football mess free  in Gobions. The dogs will feel like babies. :P
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Mary_Morgan on July 22, 2002, 01:22:13 am
Perhaps the dog owners should wear them too :)
M
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Zorro on January 21, 2003, 03:01:41 pm
Hola Muchachos,
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up tornado away, oh no, ie will have to cleen between zee ooves ie theenk now, poor tornado ee is walkin round een zee circles madre de dios
iee peety ze poor Llamas
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: crazymonkey on January 21, 2003, 09:27:40 pm
all I know is that when we walk in Gobions near the car park there is always dog mess   there are bins and signs but some dog owners don't read them or dont care for others   that means that we can't play football there anymore because of carless dog owners.  when we go there with the scouts in the summer we come home smelling of dog mess - why does this have to be?  why cant some dog owners please let us enjoy the area too. im sure some dog owners do clear up but loads don't.  the same in the village. we go down to get sweets in the dark and come home smelling.  there are no strays so dogs must be doing it while owners hold them on leads......can someone please explian why this is?

>:(
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: toothfairy on September 01, 2003, 12:00:45 am
Why is it, that whenever i go for a walk over to Gobions, i end up treading in some sort of mess?  And its not the firm kind that you can just bang off on a log, but the real squidgy kind, that takes weeks to remove itself from your sole. :-X

I havent noticed any "Red Bins" in the area, nor have i ever seen any dog owners pick it up.  Maybe a case should be raised to the local councillor to get some installed, or Corks issued to pet owners next christmas?

Regards,

The Toothfairy

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Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Mary_Morgan on September 01, 2003, 12:03:55 am
Ever thought about looking in front of you and avoiding it.


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Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: John_fraser on September 01, 2003, 12:13:07 am
Might be nice if certain dog owners showed a bit of consideration. Why I have to look out to stop myself and my children stepping in it I’m unsure. Surly it would be easier for the owner to clean up after the dog. I’ve never known a dog owner who would let a dog defecate inside their house, so they clearly appreciate just how unpleasant it is. But they seem willing to allow others to unwittingly tread it into their homes and for children to get it on their hands. Gobins can be disgusting enough to put me off going there.


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Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: toothfairy on September 01, 2003, 01:00:14 am
MM, Yes i do look, constantly, but the reason i go, is because it is a nature reserve.  I look at the trees, wild plants, birds, grasses, shrubs, animals, and shouldnt have to waste my time at gobions looking at the floor.

I also enjoy tracking foxes, muntjack, and other animals, and so stray from the man made tracks occasionally.  Doing this, i have found tracks for Fox, muntjack, badger, water vole, (and dogs) and small animals, that i do not yet have the experience to identify.  If animal owners were courteous enough to pick up their excrement....

What effect do you think the faeces has on the natural wildlife as well?  The scent and urine that dogs use to "mark territory" has an effect on these creatures.  Similarly, in the human world, the asylum seeker issue is a good example of how this affects the natural habitat and existing culture of man. ::)

Regards,

TF

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Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: MikeL on September 01, 2003, 04:12:24 pm
As a responsible dog owner who walks a dog every day over in Gobions, I have to admit that I am embarrassed by the disgusting state of the paths over there . I have even witnessed owners who have cleared up after their dog in the street (unusual) and then proceed to empty the bag in Gobions. Do they plan to re-use the bags, if so for what?

I’m afraid that red bins are not a solution. Gobions is not owned by the council, so who is going to empty them?

The only solution I can see is for people to actually start receiving fines for allowing their dogs to foul the streets and parks. As long as people can get away with allowing their dog to foul the pavements, grass verges and roads they are never going bother to try and stop them fouling Gobions.

On the plus side, at least (most) dog owners don’t allow their pets to foul other peoples gardens. I find it even worse when your kids have to be careful in their gardens due to someone else’s delightful cat who would never dream of fouling it’s own garden.

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Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: toothfairy on September 01, 2003, 04:28:41 pm
Mike L,

You are dead right.  Cats are also a problem.  My father has recently installed one of those high pitched "cat scarers", which works wonderfully, though the high pitch, i can actually hear, and can get a bit tedious when sitting in the garden.

Perhaps if the red bins are provided, the solution of emptying would be policed, and imposed as a fine for those who dont use them??

TF


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Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: jet on September 01, 2003, 05:02:26 pm
How the heck is a dog supposed to balance on a red bin?
Anyone having a go at cats is a candidate for a "punch up the bracket" as my grandfather used to say, in my book.
Quiet, loyal, friendly and above all cheap.
People go out in the country and a bit of dog **** is the worst they can moan about
regards,
jet

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Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Editor on September 02, 2003, 10:02:11 am
A thread already exists on this subject in the environment section of the forum. It has attracted 14 contributions and been viewed more than 500 times. Click here to read (http://www.brookmans.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl/YaBB.pl?board=Environment;action=display;num=1012433138). I have moved this post to that section so that threads on similar subjects are kept together. It is understandable with a forum this size if people fail to spot existing threads, but where possible, if a subject is already under discussion, please try to use existing threads, although it is probably worth letting this thread take over the previous discussion now seeing as it has so many recent additions.
Thanks
David Brewer
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Bob Horrocks on September 02, 2003, 03:37:59 pm
I will check but I am sure the parish council (owners of Gobions Open Space) provided doggie doo bins.  At least one in the parish has been burnt by vandals. Lovely people!
Surely environmentally friendly dog owners take plastic bags and scoops with them to clean up after their pet?  If not, why not?  I am certain they have no more wish to tread in 'it' than anyone else.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: toothfairy on September 08, 2003, 11:32:11 pm
I should hope not.  Were trying to get rid of it, not collect it!  We have enough already :-* :-*
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: jet on September 09, 2003, 12:03:31 am
By being polite,
I stepped in some s***e,
But nobody seems to care,
with no red bins,
and lots of dogs,
its ******* everywhere!

This happened today for real
regards,
jet
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Bob Horrocks on September 16, 2003, 02:38:14 pm
Instead of all this bitching (ho ho), why don't dog lovers sponsor one or more red bins which could have a sign on them to show who has been public spirited enough to open their wallet.  It is called putting something back into the world (and not just cr*pping on it).  

Gobions Woodland Trust owns the wood and is run by a few dedicated local residents.  They have more than enough to do without cleaning up dog c**p.  How about dog owners volunteering to empty the red bins on a regular basis.  The Parish Council will advice on what it does with the contents of their red bins.  
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Bob Horrocks on September 16, 2003, 02:47:00 pm
To enforce a by-law you have to catch someone doing wrong.  With ten parish councillors and four staff we cannot be everywhere.  Please be realistic.  

Have you ever tried to report a wrong-doing?  I and my wife noted the vehicle registration number of an overweight vehicle on a local road which had a weight restriction.  I went to the police and they required two independent witnesses, so that was that.  We were not independent of each other. They suggested I could have stopped the vehicle and held it there while phoning for the police to come.  What a joke!
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: southbury on November 11, 2003, 03:01:12 pm
In September my family moved to Bluebridge Avenue. One of the obvious attractions to the area was Gobions and the 'open space' as I am a keen runner and I wanted to take my young son to play football in the park as often as possible.
Frankly my wife and I are simply appalled at the amount of dog's mess ( especially in the 'initial' open space btween the 5 bar gate and the first field) and the sheer number of dog walkers who show no apparent regard for others and least of all to the health of the children that wish to play in what is effectively an unhygenic 'minefield'.
When I am out running at week-ends in future I intend to challenge anyone allowing their dog to foul the area without cleaning up after themselves and I will also carry a small digital camera to take their picture so that the owners can be shamed. Next Sunday I am going to spend the morning removing any existing  dog's mess that I find in an attempt to make the area safe for my son to play in . Iam assuming that no-one else will wish to join me in the clean up?
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Alfred the Great on November 12, 2003, 11:13:43 pm
Sorry, you won't find any takers to help clear up, they're all walking their dogs to make sure they don't mess up their own gardens.

I'm afraid nearly all dog owners view the daily walk as for defecational purposes only and to hell with everyone else. They let them off the lead to run free in the woods and of course cannot see them dropping stuff in the bushes or around the corner.

Perhaps you could petition the parish council to have another, larger area fenced off for children to play ball games in.

ATG
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Mallow on November 13, 2003, 06:18:03 pm
O come on Southbury - it's a bit too "footballers wives" for people to help clear up the pooh.  They are all too busy having bonfires and letting off fire works at midnight!!!!!
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Bob Horrocks on November 14, 2003, 08:26:34 pm
Why not have a fenced off area where doglovers can take their pet and poo in that area?  They could have a rota to clean up the mess.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Alfred the Great on November 14, 2003, 11:25:34 pm
Now that's more like it, only you'd get complaints about the poor pooches right to run free and get their rightful exercise.

Still, we're getting there slowly with smoking in public places so there's still hope.


ATG
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Bob Horrocks on November 16, 2003, 06:49:00 pm
In case anyone misunderstood my last posting, I meant an area for the dogs to poo, not the owners!

Does ATG mean smoking dog ends?  very nasty habit, so I am told being a non smoker myself.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Editor on December 06, 2003, 06:13:06 pm
Just been on a walk around the block and had to dodge five mounds of dog mess, all neatly positioned along the footpath.

The worst bit was coming down Brookmans Avenue walking on the golf club side, and at the rise on Bluebridge Road, just before the Moffats turn.

Take care if you are walking in the dark tonight, some are sizeable creations.

Presumable all were created by animals at the end of leads, seeing as we don't appear to have many strays in the area.

:(
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Bob Horrocks on December 06, 2003, 06:31:04 pm
Dave
Is your picture suggesting that there are stray penguins adding to the mess in the area?
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Editor on December 06, 2003, 06:37:29 pm
Hi Bob,

That's all we need, Penguins making a mess too.

How about this for an idea.

If enough people called on Welwyn Hatfield District Council to put some more dog waste bins around Brookmans Park perhaps that would go some way to addressing the problem?

There is a form you can fill in on the WHDC site to report a fault with dog waste bins.

Part of the problem could be that there are not enough.

The form, which is on this page Click here for form (http://www.welhat.gov.uk/council/default.ihtml?pid=229&step=4) , has a box asking for the location of a dog waste bin that needs attention.

In this box I put …

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Brookmans Avenue, Bluebridge Road, Moffats Lane, Mymms Drive


The next box asks for “Any other relevant information”.

In this box I wrote:

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There aren't any dog waste bins, and the pavements are a mess. The mess is sometimes hard to avoid particularly walking these roads after dark.


I then put in links to the two forum discussions on dog mess on this forum to illustrate the local concern.

Perhaps if enough people fill in this form with something similiar something will be done?

Or perhaps we are more likely to see stray penguins wandering around Gobions?

Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Bob Horrocks on December 06, 2003, 07:49:40 pm
The Parish Council provides, and empties, dog bins at Gobions Open Space, which is owned by the Parish Council, and also at various other locations in the parish.  Some bright sparks have set fire to some in the past - I hate to think of the poo pong, but that is beside the point!

The Parish Council cannot provide bins on land not owned by it, such as Gobions Wood, which is why I have previously suggested sponsored dog bins instead of, or in addition to, benches with name on them.  I doubt if anyone wishes to be associated with a poo bin instead of a welcoming bench.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Editor on December 06, 2003, 08:51:06 pm
Hi Bob,

My note above was directed at the facilities provided by Welwyn Hatfield District Council, not North Mymms Parish Council.

A quick straw poll in the pub tonight, which included dog owners, suggests 100% feel some dog owners are letting the side down and could do more to help keep local pavements dog mess free.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Editor on December 07, 2003, 01:10:10 pm
I am not going to apologies for resurrecting another thread about dog mess, because, in my view, the situation is getting out of hand in Gobions.

Unless things changes we will not be walking in the Gobions Open Space, Gobions Woodland, and Moffats Open Space again.

This is for two reasons, the first is connected with the title of this thread ‘Dog Mess In Gobions’, and the second is related, and so I will mention it here.

Dog Mess In Gobions

This morning, Sunday 7 December, we went for a walk through Moffats Open Space, the Leach Fields, Gobions Woodland, and back through Gobions Open Space. I am afraid to say that the whole area is a becoming a dogs' toilet, with evidence, clear for all to see, that a large number of dog owners have decided they will not clear up after their animals.

It smells disgusting, it's hard to navigate the areas without getting covered in it, and it is, again in my view, spoiling a rich resource.

How about either North Mymms Parish Council or the Gobions Woodland Trust fencing off a couple of areas that could be known as the Dogs' Toilets?

That way, all the dog owners who are happy to walk through fields of dog mess can do so in one concentrated area, and the rest of us can walk without the risk?

Perhaps a section of the lower Leach Field, or part of Moffats Open Space could be used? I would be interested to hear the views, for and against, of anyone connected with NMPC or GWT, and dog owners.

Dogs running off the lead

The second issue I have is with dogs running free through the area. This morning we had four large dogs run up to us, two were growling. Two of the dogs were Alsatians, one was a Dalmatian, and the other was a large mongrel.

I am sick and tired of owners saying things like, ‘don’t worry s/he is soft as a brush’, or ‘don’t worry, s/he has never hurt anyone’.

How the hell do we know that?  And how do the owners know their pet will not turn nasty one day? All we know is that we are confronted, face to face, with a large animal growling, and one was even barning its teeth.

For any dog owners reading this who allow their dogs to run free, please have some consideration for those who might be afraid when your pets approach at speed.

The worst was just along the path by Gobions Pond where the anglers sit. A large Dalmatian growled at us as we went through the bachelor gate leading up from Gobions Woodland.

It then proceeded to empty its bowels on the path in front of us, before turning on us again and racing up to us growling. We froze. I really thought we were going to be attacked. The owner, following behind, called the dog, but the damage was done.

I have several close pals living in the area who are responsible dog owners. They don’t let their dogs run wild, and they carry plastic bags to clean up after their pets.

This is not a rant against dogs or dog owners, it’s a plea for consideration on the part of those who don’t seem to realise how miserable the dog mess and their free-running dogs make some of us feel.

I love Gobions, and it is one of the reasons we moved here, but we will be thinking long and hard before going there again, especially in the morning, which seems to be the favoured time for some dog owners.

I would be pleased to hear the views of any dog owners who:

a) let their dogs run free
b) don’t clear up after their pets.

Please feel free to offer your reasons for the behaviour below, so that we can have a healthy debate that could lead to a solution which will make Gobions a pleasant place, not just for dog owners, but for the whole community.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Bob Horrocks on December 07, 2003, 08:43:33 pm
Dave - you answered your own suggestion of fencing off an area where dogs can poo.  Dogs do it when and where they want, not where you want.  NM Parish Council has provided dog bins and empties them virtually every day at Gobions Open Space and elsewhere.

We need to be more proactive and speak to the owner - if there - when a dog does its thing and the owner does not clear it up.  Once again the minority spoil it for the majority.  Do something at the time otherwise you condone the owner's poor standards of decency and respect for others.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Editor on December 07, 2003, 10:44:33 pm
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Dave - you answered your own suggestion of fencing off an area where dogs can poo.  Dogs do it when and where they want, not where you want.

Bob, they currently do it in Gobions Open Space, Moffats Open Space, and Gobions Woods. Clearly the animals routine has enabled them to hold on until they reach these areas.

Some will have been transported from home by car for this purpose, some will have been walked.

All I am suggesting is that NMPC and GWT consider offering fenced off 'doggy toilet' spots to try to contain the problem. Obviously the nearer these are sited to the various access points to the area the better.

I have to repeat, that all the dog owners I know clear up after their pets, and take the mess home with them.

I don't have the time to lie in wait and challenge irresponsible and inconsiderate dog owners at the time incidents happen.

However, on the two occasions I have seen it happen, and have spoken to dog owners, I have been met with abuse; hence my efforts here to try to find a mutually acceptable solution.

All positive, constructive, and workable way forward welcome.

By the way Bob, does your answer mean it is not worth suggesting the fenced off 'doggy toilet' area to North Mymms Parish Council?
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: southbury on December 08, 2003, 12:40:43 pm
Two Sundays ago at about 8.45 am I cleared as much 'mess' as I could from both 'open sapces' including , quite incredibly , a huge deposit by the gates to the swings.... by yesterday the 'minefield' had returned as evidenced by mine and my sons wellies. It is disgraceful and has to stop. A fenced off area for the dogs is at least a partial solution to the problem.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: James Bentall on December 08, 2003, 01:25:33 pm
Call me a cynic, but if people can't be bothered to clear up and use the bins a separate area won't help either - people just won't be bothered to use it as it's not convinient or in the right place.

The only way around this is to try and change people's attitudes to it - I agree when I am up there with the scouts in the summer the problem can be very bad. How we go about doing this without meeting stacks of abuse I'm not sure, but open to suggestions...

James
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Aidan Winwood on December 08, 2003, 03:19:37 pm
You should insist the scouts go before they come to the meeting...

;D
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Editor on December 08, 2003, 03:40:11 pm
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Call me a cynic, but if people can't be bothered to clear up and use the bins a separate area won't help either - people just won't be bothered to use it as it's not convinient or in the right place.

Call me an optimist, but I think it might work.

What if we had three small Doggy Loo areas fenced off, one near the Bluebridge Avenue entrance, one near the car park, and the other at the bottom of Bluebridge Road by the bridge, and then had signs scattered throughout the area saying something like.

For those dog owners who don't want to clear up after their pets, please use one of the three designated Doggy Loo areas.
Now, if you were a dog owner, would you want to be seen leading your pet to this area?  I doubt you would, perhaps you would start carrying bags to clear the mess away? Perhaps the Doggy Loo areas will become one of the cleanest patches of land in the neighbourhood, because people might have been shamed into having some consideration for others.

That is the optimistic (and totally unrealistic) way of looking at it.

;)

Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Bob Horrocks on December 08, 2003, 09:45:29 pm
I will raise this at the Parish Council Amenities committee on Wednesday.  If you don't try, you never get anywhere.

I must admit that I am also cynical.  If the owners cannot be bothered to clean up afterwards, what chance is there if them taking their pet to the Doggy Loo area as soon as they get to the Open Space?
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Editor on December 08, 2003, 11:55:03 pm
Thanks Bob, will be interested to see what the Parish Council says, perhaps the council will have other, more practical suggestions. Whatever, it's good it's being discussed.

Thanks again.

Dave

:)
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: toothfairy on December 09, 2003, 02:06:01 pm
Well, For those who are not familiar with the "Country Code", or for those who just dont care, it says that Dogs are to be kept on a lead, and all mess cleared up.

Surely, if you walk your dog in rural area's, or a preserve such as gobions, you would know these things wouldnt you?....wouldnt you? ???

As for the scouts, well, this poses all sorts of hazards to them.... as the risk assessment for that task will show...!
Faeces introduces possible risks of Hepatitis B, dissentry, and lots of other nasties.  And, if you get it in your eyes, (how youd do that though, i dont know) can apparently cause blindness.  I would look for somewhere else to get the lads out camping, rather than risk that... Or, raise your liability insurance limit!!
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Editor on December 09, 2003, 02:34:40 pm
Good point about the Countryside Code, Toothfairy.

The Ramblers' Association's Hertfordshire and North Middlesex Branch has the code on its website. Click here for a link to the site. (http://www.herts-northmiddlesex-ramblers.org.uk/ramblers-walkers-hikers-countryside-code.htm)  I have reproduced it below.

The Countryside Code

I suppose the relevant points, for the sake of this current discussion are:
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: john on December 10, 2003, 10:36:15 am
trouble is it says "take your litter home"  -  not "take your litter, rubbish, dog sh-1-t, ... home"
Most paths in the area can be tracked by the deposits of dog muck, and challenged-people just shrug off requests ...  ("it's just like fertiliser ... etc etc)

An educational role for the PEAP ?
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: John_fraser on December 10, 2003, 12:17:24 pm
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 And, if you get it in your eyes, (how youd do that though, i dont know) can apparently cause blindness.


Try taking a toddler over there. They will pick anything up and will usually put it in their mouths too. This never happened to our children, but mostly because we stopped taking them there.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Bob Horrocks on December 11, 2003, 01:47:32 am
Sorry but the Parish Council decided against Doggy Loo Areas at Gobions.  The reason was that it has been tried elsewhere without success.  There were even dog fights in the fenced off area.  This is a long-standing problem and is unlikely to be resolved because, as stated already in this correspondence, there are dog owners who just do not care about anyone else.

The mindlessness of so called civilised people is evident every day.  Old people being robbed, public seating and street signs vandalised, windows smashed, people intimidated, rubbish dumped (Bradmore Lane has been dumped on again and this will be reported to Welwyn Hatfield Council).  We live in a dreadful world, and we pay for it, literally, through taxes both to central government and our Council Taxes.

All I can suggest is that decent people make stands against the uncaring minority.  It might eventually sink into their tiny blinkered minds, but that may be wishful thinking.  Happy Christmas!
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Editor on December 11, 2003, 08:44:36 am
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Sorry but the Parish Council decided against Doggy Loo Areas at Gobions.  The reason was that it has been tried elsewhere without success.  There were even dog fights in the fenced off area.

Thanks for that update Bob, it seems a pity the North Mymms Parish Council felt it wasn’t a worthwhile solution. Did they come up with any alternatives? I felt it might have been either a practical, or a psychological solution, which might even embarrass people into behaving in a civilised manner.

I am being devil’s advocate a bit here  ;)  so don’t take it personally, but you then write…
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This is a long-standing problem and is unlikely to be resolved because, as stated already in this correspondence, there are dog owners who just do not care about anyone else.

So you are saying a minority of dog owners simply don’t care, but then you go on to suggest ...
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All I can suggest is that decent people make stands against the uncaring minority.  It might eventually sink into their tiny blinkered minds, but that may be wishful thinking.

What would ‘make stands’ involve? I have tried on a number of occasions to raise the issue with dog owners only to be met with abuse.  I would be interested by what you mean by 'make stands'. However I would not recommend it because, as you say, ‘there are dog owners who just do not care about anyone else’. One of the responses I had was aggressive and unpleasant, and this was in front of children.

It seems to me, reading the experiences of others in this thread, that some people are now avoiding Gobions because of this problem. That means that the minority of dog owners, who let their animals run free and fail to clear up after them, have won the day.

One final attempt at a solution to this, but could there not be an entrance to the whole area that is dog-free, and a fenced off dog-free part, so that those of us who want to walk without stench or fear can do so? I would rather walk through a fenced-off corridor than have nothing at all.

It seems such a pity that such a small minority have spoilt it for others by acting in an unconsiderate manner.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: toothfairy on December 11, 2003, 08:24:30 pm
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Sorry but the Parish Council decided against Doggy Loo Areas at Gobions.  The reason was that it has been tried elsewhere without success.  There were even dog fights in the fenced off area.  



So, the council have tried doggy Loo Areas elsewhere, with different residents, in a different area, and probably not a reserve, or local playing area???
Also, i'm puzzled as to how the spitfires and Messerschmidts got in there..... :o :o :-\
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Bob Horrocks on December 12, 2003, 07:17:10 pm
Dog Toilet Areas were tried by another council not too far from here and it decided it was unsuccessful.  I will speak to someone at that council to get more detail.  In my opinion, uncaring dog owners are not confined to Gobions Open Space and Wood.  If a fenced off area did not work elsewhere, it will not work in GOS.

Two other ideas to set your minds working - how about taking a photo of the offending dog and stick the picture on a notice board.  That would point the finger at which dogs create the mess, and therefore the owners.

AOr - a friend suggested the parish council employs a patrol warden who would hand out instant fine tickets, like a traffic warden.  Would it pay for itself?  
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Bob Horrocks on February 09, 2004, 05:08:25 pm
Monday 9 Feb - BBC1 at 7.30pm.  One of the subjects will be dog dirt and irresponsible owners.  Should be interesting to see what others think is the solution
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Bob Horrocks on February 10, 2004, 02:30:40 pm
The BBC programme was disappointing and did not come up with any new answers.  They went to Barking (naturally) where they have Street Wardens who can issue £50 spot (!) fine tickets to anyone not cleaning up after their dog, or for litter dropping.  They filmed one person being fined who gave an address 10 miles away. Oh yes?

Welwyn Hatfield has 8 such wardens and staff at Stanborough Park who can fine anyone caught allowing a dog in their possession to foul in designated areas.  WH Dog Fouling By-laws do not cover woodlands.

North Mymms Parish Council is now checking out and improving signs at Gobions Open Space, and other places it owns, to make it more obvious what is expected of users of these public areas.  

Not directly related to dog fouling, but the council’s groundsmen have stopped several people practicing golf on Gobions Open Space and Hawkshead Road recreation grounds, Little Heath.  Apart from the immediate danger, golf balls left behind in the grass can be hurled through the air by the council’s grass cutter and hit some innocent bystander.  Need I say more?
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Editor on February 10, 2004, 11:16:22 pm
Interesting to read that the Herts Co Co Rights of Way (http://www.hertsdirect.org/hcc/environment/envman/row/) Improvement Plan requests information from people exercising their dog and people who jog, but doesn't have a questionnaire for walkers. And there is no mention of guidelines for clearing up after the dogs.

Dog walkers questionnaire (http://www.hertsdirect.org/actweb/scripts/surveys/qweb.cgi?3DXGXXM)
Runners questionnaire   (http://www.hertsdirect.org/actweb/scripts/surveys/qweb.cgi?3DXFZ3T)
Rights of Way Improvement Plan (http://www.hertsdirect.org/hcc/environment/envman/row/rowip/)

:-/
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Editor on April 16, 2004, 03:22:02 pm
The parish council is calling on dog owners, who don't clear up after their pets foul public places, to accept their social responsibility and change their ways. Click here for more details. (http://www.brookmans.com/news/april04/dogbins.shtml)

Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Cassie on April 17, 2004, 12:30:09 pm
The parish council message isn't really very firm - just saying people should clear up - surely it is a must.  Why not just slap hefty fines on these NIMBYS

I always said when my children were small that if I had gone and emptied the contents of their nappies all over the place I would have been called all sorts of names (and quite rightly) yet they let their dogs do this and think it's not their problem

Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Bob Horrocks on April 18, 2004, 05:34:57 pm
The various signs put up by the parish council are being replaced.  At the moment someone could claim that there are no clear signs against dog mess etc.

the problem is catching someone not cleaning up after their dog.   That is why in the next Chancellor's News the council is asking people to speak to anyone they see who does not clean up.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: dogpoo on April 26, 2004, 01:01:30 am
Well wasn't the weather nice today? I hope you all had an enjoyable afternoon. Myself - I went to Gobions, armed with lots of plastic bags. You can see what I picked up below:

(http://www.brookmans.com/dogpoo.jpg)

Yep - 19 piles of doggy poo. Unfortunately I could only stay about 40 mins, so I only managed to cover about a fifth of the field, meaning there's still another 80 approx out there - but it's a start.

I do intend to return next weekend (probably Saturday) - if any community minded souls feel like joining me, please send me an instant message via the forum and I'll contact you in advance.

Why am I doing this? Well, firstly I'm not going to do it again, so PLEASE dog owners, don't think you've got yourself off the hook because this poor mug's gonna come around once a week and clear up the mess.

But the summer is coming up, and it would be nice if we could go to Gobions and use it without the fear of what we might be treading in. Especially for the kids. And i have this vague (probably irrational) hope that if we do manage to clear the field, then post a sign saying what we've done, that people's conscience will get the better of them and they will start clearing up. Well, I can hope.

Does anyone know - if I took a camera up to Gobions and took pictures of dogs, owners (and the evidence!) and pass them onto - I dunno, maybe the police or the parish council, will they do anything with them? Wouild the police fine them or anything like that? Or would I just get arrested for taking people's photos without their permission?

If we as a community all work together, I am sure we can 'educate' the few inconsiderate people into clearing up after their dogs, meaning things will be a lot more enjoyable for the rest of us. I know that means confronting people - but if you feel you can safely, please do so. Come on people, let's give it a go!

Lastly - Mr Parish Council - the doggy bin was overflowing when I finally got to it today (and that was before my 19 plastic bags (tried) to go in it) Is there any chance you could up the frequency of emptyings please?

One positive thing - I also went around picking litter up, and only found about 8 bits. So at least that's one less problem to deal with.

Dog Poo.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Bob Horrocks on April 28, 2004, 03:42:52 pm
Many thanks to Dogpoo for what he/she did.

Regarding the full dog litter bins, could it be that your visit was on a Sunday and the Parish Council groundsmen do not work on weekends.  Maybe others had done their public duty and cleaned up after their dog(s) which was why the bin was full?  Never the less I will ask at tonight's Parish Council meeting how often the bins are emptied, and post the reply here.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Bob Horrocks on April 29, 2004, 02:41:57 pm
The Parish Council groundsmen normally empty dog litter bins, including those at Gobions Open Space, every week day.  Last weekend the fine weather must have encouraged more people than usual to exercise their dogs on GOS, and obviously many owners did clean up after their dog, causing the bins to overflow by Sunday.

Looks like we need more bins, particularly if there is another fine summer.

Another problem this week was office furniture dumped on GOS the car park.  Time and money has been spent hiring a skip etc. to get rid of it.  Vandalism is a cost to all of us since these extra costs come out of the Council Tax.  The ownership is being investigated.  

The Parish Council does not have legal powers to fine people who do not clean up, or staff time to keep watch.  Welwyn Hatfield has these powers.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: sherlock1a on April 29, 2004, 02:58:58 pm
Dear D P,

Well done to you, I will try to get over and do some picking up over this coming weekend. The key is the signs though, to prick the owners' conscience, as otherwise they will simply carry on letting thier dogs foul.

When are you intending to erect a sign?

Thanks.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: dogpoo on May 01, 2004, 09:34:23 pm
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The Parish Council groundsmen normally empty dog litter bins, including those at Gobions Open Space, every week day.  Last weekend the fine weather must have encouraged more people than usual to exercise their dogs on GOS, and obviously many owners did clean up after their dog, causing the bins to overflow by Sunday.


Well, the bin next to the car park was full again today (Sat) by midday, so it looks like either you need to check up on your emptying people or put in another bin as a matter or urgency. I shudder to think of the state it will be in by the end of the bank holiday weekend.

A few other volunteers and I today completely cleared (to the best of our knowledge) the main field at Gobions. We've also erected some signs (I did speak to a parish councillor first) which hopefully the vandals will leave alone. Initial results have been encouraging - I did see two people read a sign asking them to make sure they cleaned up after their dog, and go back to their car to get a plastic bag before they set out walking.

Time will tell I guess.

Dogpoo
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: NZer on May 04, 2004, 12:14:31 am
I'm full of admiration for your efforts.  The open space was a real hazard to walk across when I was there last spring, especially as we had children with us.  
Here in NZ its considered very antisocial not to pick up after one's dog and most people are very good.  There are also fines for those that don't, but I don't know how often anyone is fined.  I think other peoples disapproval of their actions in not picking up is a greater influence.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Bob Horrocks on May 17, 2004, 06:55:14 pm
Is it true that people take bags of dog poo from their home and deposit them in the dog litter bins, or on the ground nearby.  Can anyone confirm this?  It could explain why the bins are full almost as soon as they are emptied.

Suggestion - dump the bag in your own dustbin or take it to the litter collection point at the NM Youth and Community Centre.  Or get rid of your dog(s) since you are not fit to own a dog if you are a culprit.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Alfred the Great on May 18, 2004, 01:06:00 am
Awhooooooooooo!

I can't help it if my owners don't clean up after me. If you get rid of me I will either become a stray or be taken to South Mimms or get a nasty injection.

Mr Dog
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: dogpoo on May 18, 2004, 01:28:49 am
Dear Mr Dog

Personally if your owner can't be bothered to clean up after you, I would give you a lethal injection myself... I hope your post was tongue in cheek.

Dear Bob

I have seen people empty half a bucket full of dog poo in to the dog poo bin. Why they don't just put it in their dustbin bag out for the dustmen I'm not too sure.

I was up at Gobions on Sunday (cleaned the field again with some other helpers and was pleased to see a lot less mess than last time - is the message getting through? Hope so!) and talked to a couple of dog owners - the general opinion was that another bin or two would definately help the situation, as it can be a VERY long walk back to where the bins are. The most popular area seemed to be on the other side of the main field from the carpark near the top entrance to the woods.

Dogpoo
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Bob Horrocks on May 19, 2004, 08:29:53 pm
Thanks, Dogpoo.  I will raise this with the Parish Council, although the groundsmen may need a special 'dog litter bin clearance' bonus to encourage them with this nasty job.

To Mr Dog - I hope Alfred The Great DOES clean up after you otherwise my opinion of him will have gone down.  Actions speak louder than words.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Alfred the Great on May 20, 2004, 12:45:27 am
Actually with three moggies I have to draw the line somewhere, so no dogz in the Great household. But the wife is a dog lover so I suppose I have been influenced.

ATG
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Alfred the Great on May 20, 2004, 12:50:49 am
Actually you may all be amused to hear of an amusing true story published in the Herne Bay Gazette the other week.

The local dog poo warden was taking a break in her van in the car park on the sea front, when a man allowed his dog to poo on the pavement and just started walking away, like they always do. She immediately got out her pad and pen, and started to bear down on him ready to say "gotcha". The man suddenly noticed this, ran back to the offending heap and picked it up in his BARE HANDS to take it to the dog bin! ;D

I'd love to have seen that.

ATG

Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Bob Horrocks on May 20, 2004, 09:23:43 pm
How I would love to rub an offending owner's nose in the heap of you-know-what!

Sorry if I misread ATG's previous item, but it read as though he was was a dog owner.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Bob Horrocks on June 09, 2004, 11:10:46 pm
Do you know there is only one doggybin on all the roads in Brookmans Park, or so I am told.  North Mymms Parish Council is taking this up with Welwyn Hatfield Council to try and get more.

I think dogdirt is the hot topic for 2004.   Lets hope the publicity will get results.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Editor on June 10, 2004, 12:34:57 am
Bob,

How would this work, would residents have a say in whether a red bin full of dog mess was positioned outside the front of their house, or would it just appear one day?

I have a feeling the reason there are not many is that there might be strong objections, particularly if the house owner was not a dog owner.

Surely the best solution is for people to clear the mess and take it home with them to dispose of?

Dave
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: freespirit on July 08, 2004, 11:53:33 pm
Looks as if the dogs cant wait to get to Gobions, the amount of mess in Bluebridge Ave is disgusting.

All I can say is sorry to the residents on behalf of the dog owners and watch where you or your children put your feet!!!! >:(
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: shads on July 09, 2004, 02:02:57 pm
is there any law that requires dog owners to pick up their dog mess and take it with them?
If not i feel there shud be to make these people more responsible for there own dogs mess.
If you get fined for dropping litter surely you shud be fined for leaving dog mess in public places which is worse and a health hazard.
On the otherside of that rant,even if there were laws in place it seems that they would be impracticle and nigh on impossible to enforce....however it may make an owner think twice
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: dogpoo on July 09, 2004, 05:13:47 pm
Tha parish council bylaws effectively saw that you can be fined up to £100 for allowing your dog to foul parish council land (i.e. gobians).

However, the parish council have told me that in practice that is not going to happen because they do not have the financial resources to do that.

I have been speaking to them trying to get them to take some action, and, despite some support of the current chairman, the current council seems unwilling to be able to - or want to - help with sorting out the problem in any way, apart from providing two new doggy poo bins, which in practise will make no difference at all.

If you are upset about the amount of dogpoo at Gobions I suggest you lobby your parish councillor about it - maybe if enough people complain something might happen. I very much doubt it though - it seems to be too much hassle for them.

Disollusioned resident of Brookmans Park
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: sherlock1a on July 09, 2004, 07:17:51 pm
Do you have their contact details? If anyone does, please post them on the site and we can contact them and request they take some action.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Editor on July 09, 2004, 07:21:00 pm
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Do you have their contact details? If anyone does, please post them on the site and we can contact them and request they take some action.


You can click here for the contact details for North Mymms Parish Council. (http://www.hertsdirect.org/atozofservices/twcoun3y/twypar4y/706594) Alternatively here they are copied from that page.

Contact Mrs Josephine Schettino, Clerk
Council Office
Annexe to No 1 Bungalow
Bushwood Close
Welham Green
Nr Hatfield
Hertfordshire
AL9 7YZ
Phone: 01707 268418
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Bob Horrocks on July 10, 2004, 02:49:16 pm
Dear disillusioned Dogpoo.
It is not too much hassle but the Parish Council accepts that it cannot resolve this problem on its own. Individuals must make dog walkers feel ashamed that their dog is causing a problem so that they start cleaning up after their dog.  The Council debated this subject at length and has made certain decisions stated below.

Dog dirt has been around since dogs were invented!  Dog dirt is a national problem, not just at Gobions.  Parish Council by-laws do not specifically mention dog dirt.  They are more general and cover dogs being a nuisance to others.  

I am not legally trained but picture the scene of two independent witnesses seeing a dog foul Gobions and the dog walker (DW) fails to clean it up.  On being accosted by the witnesses DW says s/he did not see the dog do it and would have cleaned up if s/he had.  Alternatively DW claims not to have brought enough plastic bags and will return with some more to clean up the mess.  

Also who is on the receiving end of the nuisance?  I imagine that if the witnesses had not been affected by the specific dog dirt then no nuisance had been caused to them.  Try winning a ‘nuisance’ Court case against those arguments.  

Dogpoo was very selective in what he passed on to you.  I told him that the Parish Council is unlikely to prosecute anyone because of the difficulty of getting evidence that will stand up in a court of law, and the cost of litigation.  The Council recently incurred a £2,700 legal bill on a case and was awarded £575 costs.  Taking someone to Court is not cheap.  

The Council is buying two more dog litter bins for Gobions costing £350, and has paid £100's for improved notices, some of which have already disappeared!  It
can only afford to do a certain amount.  It is your money being spent, and Councillors are very conscious of that fact.  We try to get proper value for your money.

I am very sympathetic but have to be realistic.  Sorry to go on at this length but I cannot let Dogpoo’s remarks go unanswered.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: falkor on July 10, 2004, 06:12:05 pm
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The parish council message isn't really very firm - just saying people should clear up - surely it is a must.  Why not just slap hefty fines on these NIMBYS

I always said when my children were small that if I had gone and emptied the contents of their nappies all over the place I would have been called all sorts of names (and quite rightly) yet they let their dogs do this and think it's not their problem

too right Cassie

4.5.      The powers of PCSOs are set out in Part 1 of Schedule 4 to the PRA.  In summary the powers are as follows:-

1.      Issue Fixed Penalty Notices (FPNs) for offences of disorder
2.      Detain for up to 30 minutes suspects who fail to give details
3.      Use reasonable force to detain as at 2
4.      Impose requirements and dispose of alcohol consumed in designated public places
5.      Enter any premises to save life and limb or prevent serious damage to property
6.      Carry out PACE road checks and stop vehicles to do so
7.      Stop and search vehicles & belongings in areas authorised under the Terrorism Act 2000.
8.      Seize vehicles used to cause alarm etc.
9.      Issue Fixed Penalty Notices for offences of cycling on footways, dog fouling, litter
10.      Require name and address from suspects
11.      Require name and address from person acting in anti-social manner
12.      Confiscate and dispose of alcohol from young persons
13.      Seize and dispose of tobacco from young persons
14.      Authorise removal of abandoned vehicles
15.      Stop vehicles for testing
16.      Make traffic directions for abnormal vehicles.

what you need is a PCSO or two to patrol Gobions, they are equipped to do the job you all consider needs doing and more  ;)
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Bob Horrocks on July 11, 2004, 07:15:18 pm
Great idea in theory but do we really want a police state?

Far better to embarrass dog owners into cleaning up by telling them when they do not clean up after their god (oops sorry, I meant dog).

The Parish Council By-laws would have to be revised to make dog fouling an offence punishable by a £100 on-the-spot fixed penalty.

Employing a dog warden would cost, maybe, £20,000 a year taking into account overheads including travel between Gobions and the other recreation grounds.  It would take one £100 fine almost every working day to cover that cost.  Assume a large percentage has to be taken to Court to get the money and the costs mount up.

The Parish Council cannot anticipate an income of £20,000 from dog fines, so it would have to assume virtually nil income, to be prudent.  This extra £20,000 a year represents about a 14% increase on the £147,000 the Parish Council collects from you this year.  This would be on top of the minimum increase just for inflation which this year was 2.7%.   So would the average householder be willing to accept an increase of 17% on what it pays to the Parish Council?  I think not.

This is what I meant when I said the Parish Council considered dog fouling carefully and has made the decisions that it has.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: James Bentall on July 11, 2004, 07:18:20 pm
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Employing a dog warden would cost, maybe, £20,000 a year taking into account overheads including travel between Gobions and the other recreation grounds.  


Surely such a person would not have to be full time however? Even if someone was employed for say - 3 hours a week, providing it wasn't the same 3 hours each week it would have the desired effect.

I'm sure once even one person had been fined word would quickly get round, and owners would begin to clean up after their dogs.

James
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Editor on July 11, 2004, 08:57:06 pm
Just been for a walk through Gobions. Beautiful as ever, but the stench of dog mess on the route through  Moffats Open Space, Leach Fields, Gobions Woodland, around the ponds and over Gobions Open Space is becoming overbearing at times. It seems to be getting worse not better.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Bob Horrocks on July 11, 2004, 09:25:59 pm
Some confusion here.  Gobions Wood and Leach's Field belong to Gobions Woodland Trust.  The two open spaces are owned by the Parish Council.  

Do I hear any word as to what GWT should be doing?  Silence. At least the Parish Council provides dog litter bins and will be providing two more at GOS.  And cleans them out.  Welwyn Hatyfield Council only provide one dog bin for all Brookmans Park as far as I can tell.

Did James or the Editor catch any dog fouling the area?  Silence.  Catching them doing it is the initial problem, finding the responsible (irresponsible?) dog walker is the next, educating the person is next.

PS I am not a dog owner!
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Editor on July 11, 2004, 09:31:05 pm
Hi Bob,

I don't think there is confusion. I am aware who has responsibility for the various areas. The issue I was raising was not about who owns the land, but the owners of the dogs.

And no, I didn't see any dogs fouling on my walk today. The worst bit for smell was the path south of the Leach Fields down to Gobions Woodland.

Are dog bins the issue? I am not sure. Responsible owners I know carry bags to collect their pet's waste, wherever it is deposited.

The problem we are all forced to put up with is that caused by the few dog owners who don't clear up after their pets. I am not sure it is down to facilities available, but more about education and learning to live in a civilised society.

Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Bob Horrocks on July 11, 2004, 10:42:10 pm
I cannot agree more.  But if there is so much dog dirt, either the 'few' (Phew?) dogs have a bowel problem or it is more than a few.

How is it that nobody seems to see it happen?
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: dogpoo on July 12, 2004, 12:30:31 am
I have seen it happen. I have asked people to clean up after their dogs. Most of them will come up with one of the two standard excuses: 'O, I wasn't looking cos she normally only does it in the woods' or 'O, I appear to have left my plastic bag at home today'. Yeah right!

One person when I challenged them used a fluent piece of Anglo Saxon and walked off, so I (and don't tell the parish council ;) ) took a photo of him and his dog and said I was going to give it to the police. He returned about five minutes later and apologised (Sorry mate, I've had a bit to drink) and cleared up.

Bet ya anything they didn't bother next time if there was no one to challenge them.

I spent a week clearing up dog poo fairly regularly and by my estimate between 5 and 7 dogs were fouling a day. That doesn't sound too bad (there must be over 100 dogs walked there each day, so that's only about 5% of walkers), but is still around 40 new pieces of dog poo a week. Dunno how long it takes to naturally decompose but I would reckon on a bit longer than that.

I think Gobions Woodland trust is a completely different matter. That land is privately owned. Gobions Open Space - I pay taxes to have that maintained and I think I am entitled to have it in such a state that it is usable by all. I appreciate what the parish council has done/is doing, but I still feel they could do more, and will be writing to them (again) to see if anything can/will happen. Like Dave said - additional doggy bins probably will make a difference, but only to the responsible owners.

People have told me that the worst culprit is a blue van that turns up once a day (I haven't been able to catch it despite my best efforts) from what looks like a commercial dog walker and just releases 8 or so dogs on to the field to have a run around and then calls them back in again, making no efforts to clean up after them.

Trouble is as I have said, at the moment the parish council are not really supporting me. I want to deliver a leaflet to all the houses in Brookmans Park about the dog dirt problem, but they won't give me permission to say it is being issued on behalf of them (they haven't given me a reason why not), and say that instead it must have my personal contact details at the bottom of it. That, in my opinion, would be a great way to start having dog poo pushed through my front door.....

I said I was quite happy to try and organise some sort of volunteer dog wardens type thing to try and collect evidence of the irresponsible users who are letting their dogs foul. This was refused - no reason given.

The wording on the leaflet that I was planning to deliver has been deemed 'unsuitable', yet they will not offer any advice on what wording would be deemed suitable- just that I should submit a new leaflet to their meeting next month.

I have enquired a couple of times with the parish clerk what would have to happen so that the bylaws would be updated so that allowing a dog to foul would become a specific offence. I have been waiting nearly two months for a reply.

Sorry if I was a 'bit selective with the truth' last time Bob - it wasn't deliberate.

I appreciate in regards to your point that taking someone to court isn't cheap. However, I bet if a sign was put up saying 'So and so was fined £100 for allowing their dog to foul on this land' would have a lot more effect than 'Children play here. Please clean up after your dog'. People's wallets are a lot closers to their hearts and I'd bet you would only have to do it once.

Sorry for the essay,

Dogpoo
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Alfred the Great on July 26, 2004, 01:01:29 am
Yessir, went to Gobions with the bairns this afternoon on our bikes, came back with all the tyres completely caked in dog do-do. Some magnificent specimens in the middle of the field, just waiting to be ridden through...

But another thing I noticed was that even if the dogs and their owners are eventually trained, you'll still have a no-go area in the bottom corner where the Brent Geese congregate - phew! But at least you know that's the only place its likely to be.

ATG
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Editor on September 26, 2004, 06:12:12 pm
I wonder whether the wording on the signs at the entrance to Gobions Open Space needs to be changed to include the paths as well as the grassed areas? It is extremely difficult to avoid dog mess on the paths through the woods north of the ponds between the field and Mymms Drive. This sign, at the Mymms Drive entrance, might leave some dog owners feeling it is okay to let their pets foul the paths. Would this be worth considering Bob H?

(http://www.brookmans.com/news/september04/sign.jpg)
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Bob Horrocks on September 27, 2004, 01:15:18 pm
You have to admit that the yellow signs are eye catching.

If dog owners are sufficiently irresponsible as to not clean up after their dog then they are unlikely to worry about where their god (sorry - dog) craps.  A revised sign from the Parish Council or anyone else is hardly going to make any difference, in my humble (never-owned-a-dog) experience.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Editor on September 27, 2004, 02:54:23 pm
Quote
You have to admit that the yellow signs are eye catching.

The trouble is, while you are looking up to admire the eye-catching sign you are likely to step into something ......

:-/

...but you are probably right Bob.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Phil_Holm on September 28, 2004, 05:08:41 pm
Surely you would think that the dog owners would also come back from Gobions with dog mess on THEIR shoes, like the rest of us.  You would think that would be incentive enough to do something about it.

My wife, my 2 daughters and I came back last week and then had to spend the next half an hour cleaning our shoes.

It really spoils the walk.  And there is absolutely no need for it.

Just ignorance I guess.

Phil
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Bob Horrocks on September 29, 2004, 08:57:30 pm
Never mind the dog, what about the owner.

Pity dog licences are no longer issued.  It would be nice to have the power to say you can only have this licence if you clean up after the dog since it is not the dog's fault but yours.   But like unlicenecd cars, there are always some people who delight in flaunting the laws.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: John_fraser on September 29, 2004, 10:06:05 pm
Quote
i agree the sign mentioned above is not clear it should be more like this

YOU DOG WILL BE KILLED IF IT SHITS ON THE GRASS OR THE PATH.



It's not the dog which should be killed. It doesn't know any better. The owner does.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Alfred the Great on October 19, 2004, 01:09:13 am
Got in first with something! Walked through Gobions this evening and saw two new doggy bins, just where they should be noticed by dog walkers entering from the north east and south west. So maybe we'll see some difference.

Mind you, having been to the open space quite regularly recently on Saturdays and Sundays for "training" (don't ask, my muscles are really suffering) it is interesting to see just how many people fail to pick up their pooch's offerings. On Saturday at around 5pm I saw three deposits made within the space of around five minutes. Managed to avoid them myself, but you only need to multiply this up over the whole day/week/year to see how much Canis toxicara is being deposited.

Ho hum.....

ATG    :(
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Bob Horrocks on October 20, 2004, 02:45:16 pm
Sorry Alfred but if you read posting number 60 at the top of this page I said the Parish Council was to provide two more doogy bins at Gobions Open Space.  One of the Parish Councillors, who walks his dog there, advised on where best to locate them.  Glad to know they meet with your approval.

So, dog walkers, PLEASE use them for the purpose for which they are intended.  
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: flw67 on March 25, 2005, 09:37:41 am
I was over Gobians last w/end and there was dog mess smeared on the sea saw in the childrens playground - very unpleasant and unbelievably thoughtless

and while on the subject can the person please pick up their dog's mess who keeps letting it foul on the corner of Peplins Way by the Jade Cottage

there that's my anger vented , but what can be done about it ?
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Editor on March 25, 2005, 05:25:00 pm
what can be done about it ?

Probably not a lot. The issue has been debated on this site for years. In fact it was the first post in the old 'Have Your Say - Village Life' section. Click here and scroll to the bottom of the page (http://brookmans.com/say/village.shtml). That was back in September 1998. Since this new forum went live three years ago this thread has been viewed more than 3,000 times with more than 100 messages posted. We walked round Gobions today. The Open Space was its usual dog mess obstacle course and the woodland not a lot better.

 :-\
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: jet on March 25, 2005, 08:17:54 pm
Gobions dog poo is nothing, in Ireland we have Leprechaun and Stag poo everywhere :icon_jokercolor:
regards,
jet
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: John_fraser on March 25, 2005, 10:07:55 pm
Last summer I challenged a woman who allowed her dogs to defecate in a field where my children were playing. She said she had forgotten to bring a bag with her, but I had the strong impression that she always ‘forgot’ to bring one. Since then I always take a plastic bag with me when I go there, ready to donate it to any dog owner who’s ‘forgotten’ to bring theirs.

I’m pleased to say I’ve never had to ‘donate’ the bag. Only once more have I seen someone not go to cleanup after their dog and, judging from where it happened and by their reaction when I pointed it out, I believe they really had not seen the incident.

So, if you want to do something, be ready to challenge the minority of irresponsible people when they fail to clean up. And if you see someone else asking an owner to clean their dog’s mess up you should be ready to back them up. A zero tolerance approach will get the message through.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Aqila on August 30, 2005, 11:12:38 am
Just to let you we will be running a "poop awareness day" at Gobions, Sunday 4th September, 9am to 6pm!! 

We will provide "poop" fact sheets, ideas for keeping Gobins cleaner, leaflets on how to train dogs to poop on command, etc.

There will be a competition/draw to win one of three 3kg bags of premium dog food, a children's competition/draw to win the cuddly ScoopiDoop dog toy, and a £10 prize for  whoever comes up with the best original idea for keeping Gobions clean!!

There will also be free poop bags, water and dog treats, and the opportunity to try free samples of dog food.

Please feel free to drop by, to enter a competition, or just for a chat (with or without a dog!).  The Trophy van and small marquee will be next to the Moffats Lane car park.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: jet on August 31, 2005, 03:08:05 pm
Sounds more like a commercial PR stunt?
I await correction, gulp in advance!
regards,
jet
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Aqila on September 09, 2005, 06:40:40 pm
We had lots of visitors and positive feedback at the "poop awareness" day.  (If anyone wants a list of prize winners please let me know.) 

The best original idea for keeping Gobions "Poop free" was to provide facilities for  us all to deposit used carrier bags, thus providing an endless supply of free poop bags, and a means of recycling carrier bags at the same time! 

There was another excellent suggestion from a number of people (and thus unfortunately not qualifying for the prize).  This was for the provision of some delineated areas around the edges of Gobions open space, (possibly where the grass is left longer), where dogs should be encouraged to "go".  Owners would still be expected to clear up, but it would help keep general areas cleaner. 

Other (printable!!) ideas from people were: more bins, notices on boards about the health risks and giving worming advice and volunteer dog owners on patrol.  (We decided against dog nappies, and stocks for poop offenders!)

The list we provided on the day was:  Worm your dog regularly; Train your dog to “poop” at home/on command; Carry spare poop-bags with you and “politely” offer them to poop-offenders!(this applies to non-dog walkers too); (and this one is just for you, Jet!) Feed your dog high quality complete food which compared to tin and mix reduces poop by up to 50%!

All relevant ideas will be passed on to North Mymms Parish council next week.

If anyone wants a leaflet on training your dog to poop on command, worming advice or the poop fact sheet, I can email them to them.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: dogpoo on September 09, 2005, 10:39:39 pm
The best original idea for keeping Gobions "Poop free" was to provide facilities for  us all to deposit used carrier bags, thus providing an endless supply of free poop bags, and a means of recycling carrier bags at the same time!

I did actually try that during the summer of 2004. I put a supply of bags next to the bins. They lasted about 3 days before someone removed them (I'm guessing not the council, probably happened late at night...), and again two days later when I came back and found them scattered all over the field. It is a good idea, but I think some thought would have to go into ensuring that they did not just become a large litter problem...
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: jet on September 10, 2005, 12:04:48 pm
JacquiW, just out of interest and not in any way to critisice your obvious altruistic efforts, was there a commercial interest in your efforts, ie selling things?
regards,
jet
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Aqila on September 10, 2005, 01:47:52 pm
Jet

If you'd come along on Sunday, you'd know the answer to that one!!
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: jet on September 10, 2005, 05:04:53 pm
Bit difficult from 400 miles away. No need to be smart I was just asking a simple question and a simple answer would have sufficed.
regards,
jet
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Max on September 10, 2005, 09:09:02 pm
Gosh, this is all so 1950s! Dog muck, dog mess, a dog "doing its business"! Like half these posts are by my granny! I find nothing particularly necessary or clever about using "bad" words, but really, how long is it since anyone really found the far more widely used term "dog sh*t" (I assume the asterisk to be a necessitiy) either offensive or inappropriate? The word "sh*t" is, after all, often used both on mainstream TV and in broadsheet newspapers. Doesn't bother me particularly, but it does seem rather unecessarily coy.

As for keeping Gobions "poop-free", I would suggest a technique used by my father when a neighbour used to repeatedly allow his dog to perform the bodily function under discussion on our front lawn. Basically, he wrapped it up in newspaper, went round to the chap's house and politely pointed out that he had no use for the stuff and was therefore returning it. A small squad of volunteers in the woods, armed with scoops, could approach miscreant dog owners with scoops full of fresh, steaming vileness and politely suggest that as this was their property, they might like to take it with them.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: jet on September 11, 2005, 12:26:21 pm
Ah but this is a village website where the readers are gentle folk of passive disposition, they would be reaching for the smeling salts if they encountered the language of the oil rig.
Similarly with direct action, anyone being threatening would have the old bill around charging them with assualt with a deadly weapon.
This is BP, its " I will do as I want " stamp pout land.
Its easier writing out parking tickets, than dog faeces ( a new word) tickets.
regards,
jet
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Editor on September 11, 2005, 12:35:20 pm
I still like the idea of dog diapers or pooch pants.

(http://store1.yimg.com/I/yhst-18190113716929_1859_494270) (http://store1.yimg.com/I/yhst-18190113716929_1859_4834602)
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Max on September 11, 2005, 04:48:14 pm
Now you would REALLY have to love your dog to use that product, wouldn't you? I willingly and happily performed all the tasks associated with keeping the rear ends of my daughters in a suitable state of cleanliness, but the thought of performing such services for a dog has, to be frank, put me right off my evening meal!
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Bob Horrocks on September 23, 2005, 05:59:23 pm
I am not connecting the two things but curiously there has been a huge increase in the amount of dog dirt in and around the dog litter bins at Gobions Open Space since late August or early September.  Maybe an unfortunate side effect of the Poop Awareness Day was a raised awareness of the dog litter bins at Gobions? 

No blame is being made on the people who ran that event, and who obtained the permission of the parish council to hold it.  Anything that might help reduce the amount of dog dirt on the Open Space can only be good and, JET, what was wrong with the commercial angle to it?

The parish council groundsmen have seen individuals dumping several bags of litter at the bins i.e. not several people with one bag each, but were unable to speak to them at the time.  Obviously not what their dog(s) have dumped on the Open Space unless the dog had the 'trots'.  They must be bringing the bags from home.  The groundsmen are now having to check the bins twice a day.  This is a most unpleasant task being made worse by the increase in dog dirt taken to the bins. 

The groundsmen put the contents of the litter bins in a large rubbish container at the parish council, but this is now proving insufficient to take all this added material.  If it continues the parish council will have to get another rubbish container and be charged another £500 a year by Welwyn Hatfield to empty it.  This will have to be added to everyone's council tax. 

Responsible dog owners are being tainted by these individuals.  If you see someone with several bags at Gobions please ask them what is in them, and if it is dog dirt, shame them into being a responsible owner.

A dog owner tells me that his dog is trained to do its thing in the garden and the owner then it clears up and buries the dirt in the garden so that it composts naturally. 



Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: jet on September 23, 2005, 08:45:44 pm
Bob, nothing at all wrong with the commercial angle. I was going to suggest that if there was a commercial interest that J should advertise it on the site.
As usual the worst was assumed and a defensive stance taken, so I just thought why should I bother to help and backed off.
Simple as that.
regards,
jet
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Aqila on September 24, 2005, 12:54:04 pm
Bob

I think (and hope!!) it is extremely unlikely that people have been prompted by the Poop Day to bring bags from home!  It is absolutely NOT the message we were giving out.

I suspect that if this is what is happening then it is has been going on for some time and has only just been spotted.  I should imagine it could only be a very small number of people who would be daft enough to do this.  After all what is to stop them putting the bags in their own dustbins - a lot less hassle!

There are other more likely possibilities of course.  Perhaps more people are actually clearing up after their dog and using the bins, and this is exposing the sheer volume of poop and possibly a need for more bins/collections.  Alternatively maybe some altruistic individuals have been prompted to clear up after other people and are dumping these bags.

In the 9 hours we were at Gobions we were visited by appoximately 35 family groups/dog walkers.  Several of these had multiple dogs.  Nearly as many again passed by without visiting.  This accounted for just those arriving at the Gobions carpark between 9am and 6pm.  We missed the early morning walkers and the evening walkers, and those arriving by other entrances and not passing close by.  I think it would not be an exaggeration to say that well over 100 dogs visit Gobions on a regular basis, some more than once a day.  Someone else can do the maths on how much poop is produced and how many bins would be required if everyone cleared up!!

Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Aqila on September 24, 2005, 12:59:11 pm
JET

I was not being smart!  I was trying to avoid getting in to commercial discussion on the forum because it is not the appropriate place for it, and I agreed with the Editor, prior to all entries, not to go down that route.  I am more than happy to discuss this with you off-line if you need more info.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: jet on September 24, 2005, 03:27:01 pm
J , if you are going to make personal statements with double explanation marks then you will be construed as being "smart". A simple answer would have been easier.
You appeared to be a new member to the website and I thought that you might be unaware that business's can advertise their services if they want.
I imagined that you had a commercial interest in dog waste. If you have well good luck to you and thanks to the fine service you did to everyone who uses Gobions.
All dog owners without exception have had instances where their animal fouls a public place, its something that sometimes just happens. Scooping it up helps in appearance but perhaps has little effect hygenically. Because the main evidence has gone, the germs remain.
regards,
jet
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Editor on September 24, 2005, 03:36:28 pm
Walking round Gobions Open Space and Gobions Woodland is no longer a pleasure for me because of the dogs. Not only are too many running off the leash and allowed to run up to walkers, but the stench is too much. No matter how careful I am, I often have to clean my shoes afterwards. I don't see why I should have to look at the floor and not the view all the time in order to avoid stepping into something. The dogs have won. I walk the lanes now.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: ADM on September 26, 2005, 09:21:53 am
Don't blame the dogs.  It's their inconsiderate owners.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Bob Horrocks on September 26, 2005, 12:17:42 pm
I was not blaming the organisers of the Poop Awareness Day for the undoubted increase in dog dirt being dumped at the dog litter bins since late August/ early September.  It is simply a fact that the amount of dog dirt being left at the bins has multiplied causing the parish council's groundsmen to visit these bins twice a day.

The real question is whether or not there is now less dog dirt being left on Gobions Open Space?  If there is still at least the same amount then the extra has to come from somewhere else. 
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Editor on September 26, 2005, 01:13:35 pm
A friend of mine, who is a user of this forum and owns a dog, invited me to walk with him and his dog across Moffats Open Space and over Gobions Open Space at the weekend. It was the first time I had walked the area with a responsible dog owner and it was interesting for me for a number of reasons...
Clearly, judging by the mess by the gates and across the fields, not all dog owners are like my friend, which is a great pity.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: jet on September 26, 2005, 01:46:44 pm
The problem is that the bag method does not remove the yucky bits which are still there to walk on, its just that they cannot be so readily seen.
I reckon that the paths at most of the enterance points to Goblins are pure integrated dog mess.
There is no reason why dogs cannot be trained to go at home, its just a matter of adding one more letter to the command "SIT"!.
Its illegal for dogs to foul anywhere and it would be easy to enforce, its just that plod finds parking rather than pooing tickets easier to issue.
A job for the newe community "policeman" perhaps?
regards,
jet
From the land where everyone seems to have a dog, but whhere there is no mess?
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Max on September 27, 2005, 06:08:05 am
If it continues the parish council will have to get another rubbish container and be charged another £500 a year by Welwyn Hatfield to empty it.  This will have to be added to everyone's council tax. 

Do dog owners still have to have licences in the UK? If so, that would be the logical place to put any charges resulting from clearing up after dog owners, surely. OK, it would have to be assessed on a national basis, but that should not prove too difficult. They are responsible for the mess. Let them pay for it.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: John_fraser on September 27, 2005, 08:01:12 am
IIRC Dog licences were abolished in 1988. I don't think they've been brought back, but not being a dog owner means they may have and I never heard.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Bob on September 27, 2005, 08:22:30 am
Dog licences have never reappeared, but it is no trouble to clean up after your dog. We have a plastic scoop that you have special bags for, very easy to use so no excuse not to clear up the mess.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Max on October 04, 2005, 09:42:51 am
That is true Bob, but unfortunately, far too many dog owners do not do this, and also, as has been pointed out, removing the obvious mess does not remove the associated microbes. 

Maybe there should be greater restrictions on where you can take a dog. Not allowing them off the leash at all in urban parks where children play would be a good idea in my opinion. This might include the grassy area by the lake in Gobions, which always used to be a popular place for impromptu football and cricket matches when I was a nipper.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Editor on April 10, 2006, 10:33:18 am
I've just been for a walk round Gobions and returned across Gobions Open Space and I'm sad to say that the parish council signs do not appear to be working with some dog owners. I had to avoid several mounds of dog mess and saw three large dogs foul the area in the time I was walking across. There were six large dogs running free. Two women were chatting in the car park, so I presume they were the owners. The sad fact is that children who play in the grassed area over the Easter holidays are going to find it hard to avoid the dog mess.

David




Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: larrylamb on April 11, 2006, 11:28:33 am
Its not just open spaces, there seems to be an influx of dog mess around at the moment, I notice it walking to school - the grass area on the corner of The Grove and Moffits along Moffits and all around Peplins seem particularly popular pooing areas for dogs. Why can't owners pick it up, I am sure they purposely go out after dark so no-one can see them and then the mess is fresh for the kids to walk in! Its not nice - recently a couple of the children have stood in it, walked it into school (nursery) then when they sit down it has been spread around on shoes, hands etc.

Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Therock on April 11, 2006, 02:55:20 pm
A lot of people in this area think that they have the right to let their Dogs do the business in the road have another thing coming. Its all about lazyness and should I see a dog owner not picking up the dog POO then the owner will be in for a great Suprise.

A lot of people have not got the bottle to say anything to the people who's dog is having a C...p But starting saying something and pulling the people up and the Idea that our roads and pavements and verges are not TOILETS. Stop  and say something dont be afraid.
THE ROCK
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Editor on November 03, 2007, 04:10:37 pm
Watch your step if you are walking down Bluebridge towards the village in the dark tonight. A dog owner has failed to clear up after their pet. A few people have walked in it and spread it, so best walk on the left. I can't believe there are still people out their who will let their pets foul and walk by leaving it on the pavement.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Johnny Redd on November 14, 2007, 05:40:41 pm
Having been for a walk through Gobions Field today, couldn't help noticing that the dogs mess bin by the bottom of the kids playground is absolutely overflowing with the excess piled up below.

The bin has a North Mymms Parish Council sticker on it but any idea who and how I contact to report my findings?????
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Bob Horrocks on November 15, 2007, 11:34:57 am
The Parish Council groundsmen empty all the NMPC bins every weekday normally.  I will mention this matter at a Parish Council meeting this evening.

One problem has been dog owners who brought bags of dog dirt from home and dumped the bags in or near these dog litter bins. The threats of fines did stop or reduce the problem but maybe familiarity of the warnings has caused contempt yet again by some dog owners.  It is fly-tipping.

Other councils and a company that provides a bin emptying service say they only need to empty their bins once a week.  So what is it with our local dog owners?   ???
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Editor on November 15, 2007, 07:17:22 pm

One problem has been dog owners who brought bags of dog dirt from home and dumped the bags in or near these dog litter bins. The threats of fines did stop or reduce the problem but maybe familiarity of the warnings has caused contempt yet again by some dog owners.  It is fly-tipping.

Other councils and a company that provides a bin emptying service say they only need to empty their bins once a week.  So what is it with our local dog owners?   ???


But Bob, what if the dog owners are just being responsible and diligent and are not bringing dog mess from home. What if their dogs are just extremely productive?

I can't even start to try to get my head around the concept of people actually transporting dog mess to Gobions to dispose of --- does that really happen?

I reckon that the number of pets encouraged to exercise their bowels in Gobions each day is such that we need more bins than are currently being provided. If so, shouldn't the parish council respond to that need by providing more bins and more frequent collections?

Handled badly, this might encourage dog owners to stop clearing up after their pets, and we wouldn't want that. It's bad enough as it is.

David
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Bob Horrocks on November 16, 2007, 05:32:34 pm
Apparently the Parish Council pick up truck was out of action for a few days which is why the bins were not emptied.  Normal service should have resumed by now.

Yes Dave, dog owners were taking bags of ...... and dumping it in or near the dog bins.   ::)  That is why the notices were put on the bins to warn that it was fly-tipping and perpetrators could be fined if caught.  It worked.

Responsible dog owners should carry plastic bags, and maybe a scoop, to clear up after their little darling.  What do they do if and when the dog does its thing in their house or garden?

The Parish Council has already doubled the number of bins at Gobions Open Space in the last year or two.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: John_fraser on March 05, 2008, 11:40:24 am
A very big thank you to the kind and considerate person who stopped their dog fouling the pavements by letting their dog relive them self in the middle of my drive.  If you let me know who you are, or if I catch you doing it again, I will return your consideration by posting the mess through your letter box, where you can have the fun of cleaning it up.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Ferdie on March 05, 2008, 10:43:21 pm
Wait until you are sure the owner is home, put the mess in a large paper bag, place it outside the persons front door, making sure it's not near any other combustable material, set light to it, ring the door bell and run like hell. The dog owner will open the door, see the fire and stamp it out! Ummm, lovely! 

Now then, I'm only joking.... kids don't try it...... well um, errr.....   ;D
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: John_fraser on March 06, 2008, 08:50:58 am
I like your style
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: stevea on March 07, 2008, 04:06:52 am
In Brisbane all dogs have to be on leads unless you're in a designated off-leash park.  It's a $150 fine if you're caught without a lead and another $150 fine if you're not carrying a dog poo bag!! 
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: MikeL on March 07, 2008, 01:32:23 pm
But dogs still poo when on leads and simply having a poo bag doesn't mean you are going to clear it up! Given the lack of stray dogs around Brookmans Park I expect that John Frasers "visitor" was on a lead.

Quote from a dog owner re clearing up after his dog "Oh no, I simply could never bring myself to do that".
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Angel on March 07, 2008, 01:44:56 pm

Quote from a dog owner re clearing up after his dog "Oh no, I simply could never bring myself to do that".


Can you imagine if mums emptied the contents of babies nappies all over the place - the names they would be called - and quite rightly and yet some people think its ok to let their dogs mess anywhere.  It drives me mad >:(
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: stevea on March 07, 2008, 08:39:48 pm
Feeding a dog a sensible diet makes it much easier to pick up.  I wouldn't recommend feeding it vindaloo though - you might have a few problems!  ;)
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Ferdie on July 12, 2008, 10:19:12 pm
Having been cutting my parents grass in Calder Avenue... would the owner of the dog or dogs that regularly perform on their grass verge, please make themselves known to me so I may return the compliment...... >:D
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Greybeard on July 14, 2008, 08:30:00 am
You don't have all the Calder Avenue dog mess either.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Editor on July 14, 2008, 08:55:13 am
Having been cutting my parents grass in Calder Avenue... would the owner of the dog or dogs that regularly perform on their grass verge, please make themselves known to me so I may return the compliment...... >:D

Might be totally unworkable as an idea, but why not try this.  Buy a cheap 99p plastic bucket and put a plastic bag in it. Put a stick in the ground with some old carrier bags attached at the spot where the dog usually does its business, and leave a note asking the owner to please pick up the mess and deposit it in the bucket.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: mannyd on July 26, 2008, 02:15:12 pm
Went to Gobions this morning with my 3yr old and his 4yr old friend. We walked round the lakes (going in from the right hand track if you are standing at the playground). When we came out the left hand track the area is covered (and I do mean covered!) with dog mess for about 40yrds - a tricky business getting the 2 small people through!
Has there been an event up there involving dogs? Is this linked to the mysterious (to the 2 children and me at least) track marks across the playing field, combined with lines of sand? Hopefully someone knows the answer.... but the area does need a mass clean up


(Note: Edited only to merge with an existing thread on this topic)
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Mooniemad on July 27, 2008, 11:48:00 am
I was running round Gobians the other week and also noticed alot of faeces in that region, however I believe it is linked with the geese that congregate there.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Bob Horrocks on July 28, 2008, 12:04:40 pm
 In reply to Mannyd, Gobions Open Space is owned by North Mymms Parish Council.  The mysterious lines filled with sand must be the third stage of drainage improvements aimed at reducing the muddy conditions in wet weather.  This picture shows the initial phase carried out in August/ September 2005.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Editor on August 23, 2008, 03:37:41 pm
Just back from Walk One (http://www.brookmans.com/walks/walk1.shtml) and noticed that someone has pinned posters to a couple of fence posts along the way, urging dog owners to take their dog’s faeces home with them.

A warning to those reading this while they are eating, some may find the following images put them off their tea.

The posters reads…

Quote

NORTH MYMMS ESTATE HAS
 BEEN A BEAUTIFUL WALK FOR
CENTURIES…

UNTIL SOMEONE RECENTLY
ELFISHLY STARTED A TREND
OF HANGING UP DOG FAECES IN
TREES AND ON FENCES IN
NON-DEGRADABLE PLASTIC
BAGS!

WHY?

NOBODY COLLECTS
THEM
SO
TAKE THEM HOME WITH
YOU!!!!!!!!!


NOTICE WILL BE REMOVED IN TWO WEEKS TIME


It’s easy to see what whoever wrote the poster is concerned about.

(http://www.brookmans.com/news/august08/dog_faeces1.jpg)

(http://www.brookmans.com/news/august08/dog_faeces2.jpg)

(http://www.brookmans.com/news/august08/dog_faeces3.jpg)

(http://www.brookmans.com/news/august08/dog_faeces4.jpg)
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Cassie on August 23, 2008, 06:17:00 pm
GROSS! >:(
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Editor on August 23, 2008, 11:54:24 pm
sorry Cassie, I agree, but it's a reality.

 :-\
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Cassie on August 24, 2008, 07:46:14 am
sorry Cassie, I agree, but it's a reality.

 :-\

Sorry, I was referring to the person / people who do this - not you for putting the photos on! ;)
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Ann on August 26, 2008, 12:07:48 pm
I am angry after finding Dog faeces on my mother front lawn and today someone had let their dog deficate  behind my car which was parked on drive. I have been looking after afriends dog and walk around Westlands drive and Oakland Ave, always picking up any mess the dog had made. However, I was shocked to find on one walk (Pine Grove) that someone had let their dog go to  toilet on someone's property. other mess was on the grass verge. WHAT IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE!...If I catch the person responsible for the mess on my mother's lawn and Drive I will rub their face in it. not the dog the person!
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Carrie on August 26, 2008, 12:16:19 pm
We have a problem with this too - at the back of the flats on Bradmore Green - there are 2 households who frequently let their dogs foul without clearing it up (or taking the dogs for "proper" walks.  These people have no shame - they can see me watching them and are not at all embarrassed by it.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Ann on August 26, 2008, 12:26:02 pm
Well then Carrie something more drastic has to be done! If shame does not work other methods might!
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Editor on August 26, 2008, 12:29:01 pm
I sense a Carrie and Ann campaign about to launch. If you do, can one of you write a story for the front page of the site, please?

 :)

David
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Ann on August 27, 2008, 01:28:42 pm
I am tempted to put a photo of the offender/s on the front page see if that will do the trick!

Seriously though I have a camera handy... I am on 'the war path' but do not tend to go over the top. Confrontation is not always a wise move and infact could exacerbate the problem.
However, I just don't understand the mentality of the person.
Perhaps it is my upbringing I was taught to respect other people's property( and don't do to others what you don't want done to you.)
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Cassie on August 27, 2008, 02:03:48 pm

However, I just don't understand the mentality of the person.
Perhaps it is my upbringing I was taught to respect other people's property( and don't do to others what you don't want done to you.)


Can you imagine if mums emptied the contents of babies nappies all over the place - the names they would be called - and quite rightly and yet some people think its ok to let their dogs mess anywhere.  It drives me mad >:(

Found this earlier in the thread - couldn't agree more
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Bob Horrocks on August 28, 2008, 10:48:04 am
It is extremely difficult to prosecute a dog owner when the love of their life leaves a message.  And they know it !

I would love to rub the face of the owner in the 'message' so that they get the message, but I would be the one to be arrested.  That is the political climate nowadays, unfortunatley.  I feel very sorry for the police who have to enforce todays inverted priorities. 
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Ann on September 02, 2008, 03:41:06 pm
Yesterday as I drove into my mothers drive I saw a dog going to the toilet  on the grass verge. The person in question simply asked me if I had a bag to put the offending matter in and I obliged. I did tell them about the problem with dog mess and the on going discussion Re:- web site. Lets hope they remember to take a bag next time.
 
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Cassie on September 02, 2008, 07:10:48 pm
At least they asked for a bag and didn't just leave it there.  Wonder what they would have done if you hadn't driven in at that time.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Ann on September 03, 2008, 02:32:08 pm
I dread to think Cassie. Still at least they offered to clean it up!  I am also pleased that it did not end in any unpleasantness. However I still get angry when people do not clean up after their dogs.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Bob Horrocks on September 04, 2008, 10:41:48 am
Legally you need to pass a driving test before you can drive a vehilce on your own.  Why not bring back dog licences but with a test to be passed before you are allowed to own a dog?  The test would include cleaning up any 'messages'.  That might put off some people.    :o
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Editor on September 04, 2008, 11:00:19 am
I still think dog nappies could help. Click here (http://www.petpeepers.com/) for more info and details how to buy them.

(http://www.brookmans.com/news/august08/nappy.jpg)

That, or train the dog to clear up after itself.

(http://www.brookmans.com/news/august08/cleanup.gif)

David
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Mermaid on September 04, 2008, 12:04:49 pm

LOL!!!!!     ;D
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: flw67 on December 22, 2008, 07:47:03 am
Will the older gentleman who walks his cocker spaniel through the village every day beween 6-6.30am, please pick up his dog's mess that is left opposite the Brookmans in the kerb , as this normally only picked up when someone asks him to. This is a major crossing point on everyones route to and from the station with the obvious unpleasent results.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Editor on January 14, 2009, 08:12:39 am
For the few remaining dog owners who still think it's okay to let their dogs foul on the pavement and to leave it there. Please consider the school kids and office workers who, during these dark mornings and evenings, have to walk where your pet has soiled. In the light they can spot the mess and navigate around it; in the dark it is not that easy. Think about where they are going to clean the mess off their shoes if they are rushing for a train or going to class. Also, consider the health risk of a pupil having to try to clean up in school without protective gloves and disinfectant.  Think about the poor sod who has to sit on a train with remnants on his or her shoe. Just think about it. It really is unacceptable behaviour. I know it's a minority who allow their pets to foul the pavement and don't clear up, and I know most local dog owners carry bags and do clean up, but it's the minority of dog owners who are totally oblivious of others who are causing the problem.

[Rant over, I realise those who let this happen probably don't read this forum, but needed to get that off my chest after an extremely unpleasant incident this morning]

 >:(

David
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Bob on January 14, 2009, 01:27:17 pm
[ but needed to get that off my chest after an extremely unpleasant incident this morning]

 >:(

David

hope it wasn't on your chest David  :o :icon_scratch:
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Editor on January 14, 2009, 01:44:01 pm
hope it wasn't on your chest David  :o :icon_scratch:

 :)

No, my shoe.

 :-\

Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Alfred the Great on January 14, 2009, 09:33:56 pm
But if it was this morning (-3C) it might have dented your toe but surely would not have defrosted?
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: peppermint on January 14, 2009, 10:25:15 pm
The weather wasnt the only thing that was fresh this morning ;D
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Editor on January 15, 2009, 08:00:44 am
But if it was this morning (-3C) it might have dented your toe but surely would not have defrosted?

Don't worry, there is a fresh supply most mornings. Speaking of which, take extra care walking down Moffats this morning (north side, odd numbers).

David
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: flw67 on March 14, 2009, 06:24:51 pm
Same tall older gentleman who wears a hat and walks a cocker spanial every morning , leaves the dogs mess on pavement opposite the Brookmans just where the school bus leaves from. When asked to clean up (politely) replied "don't tell me what to do".
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Mermaid on March 14, 2009, 09:22:28 pm
Take a photograph of him and his dog mid-performance, then a second photo of him walking away and leaving it, and mail it to our local PC!

Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Angel on March 15, 2009, 08:30:09 am
Take a photograph of him and his dog mid-performance, then a second photo of him walking away and leaving it, and mail it to our local PC!


Great idea and when he (politely) asks you not to do that - just reply "don't tell me what to do"!! ;) :)
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Angel on July 28, 2009, 01:49:17 pm
Moffats Lane was particularly bad this morning - the pavement on the odd numbered side near the number 50s

 >:(
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Ferdie on July 28, 2009, 08:42:23 pm
Another big pile outside my parents house in Calder Avenue. I wonder how much the owner of the dog would like it if I 'performed' on his or her front lawn.  >:D
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Mr Green on August 18, 2009, 10:41:07 am
Back at the end of July when this subject was exercising the local population, I sent a freedom of information request to WelHat council asking how many people had been prosecuted for dog fouling and whether they had authorised PCSOs to issue fixed penalty tickets. (The law allows PCSOs to if they have the consent of the local authority).

Here is the relevant part of the reply.



Welwyn Hatfield Borough Council’s client team have not prosecuted anyone for dog fouling in the Borough to date.
To our knowledge the PCSO’s have not prosecuted anyone either.
Welwyn Hatfield Borough has not authorised them to issue fixed penalty notices.

Ian Colyer
Freedom of Information Officer
Welwyn Hatfield Borough Council


Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: colinr on August 18, 2009, 01:19:03 pm
And while we are on the subject, can the dog walker with the Jack Russell type dog who stopped outside my door in The Gardens last night to leave me a lump on the grass verge, please come and collect it.
 
I heard you tell the children playing on the same grass verge you will be back with a bag. Pity you didn’t have one to hand when you were out walking the dog.


Thank you for support on this matter!
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: John_fraser on October 19, 2009, 05:37:34 pm
To the nice person who let their dog foul on Golf Club road failed to clean it up.

Could you call around my house later and help my poor wife clean her car. Be warned, the smell in the car is overpowering and I doubt the welcome you'll get of either of use will be warm.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Bob Horrocks on September 27, 2010, 05:41:09 pm
In the Sun newspaper on 23 Sept there was article entitled ' My daughter lost the sight in one eye due to dog poo - now I am fighting to stop other kids facing the same fate'.

A two-year old tripped in a playground and fell near some dog poo.  Some of it got on her hand and she wiped her face transferring some into her eye.  Her mother, who is a nurse, wiped the child's eye at once and took her home to bathe it.  Despite this quick action, the sight in that eye has almost gone.  The problem was toxocariasis from dog and cat poo infected with ringworm.  This caused a eye infection called optical lobe cellulosis.  There are about 10 cases a year.

According to the mother, this child will be registered blind and never be able to drive a car.

There are about 8 million dogs in the UK producing 1 million tons of poo per year.  Don't ask who worked that out it wasn't me!

Someone at the RVC once told me that dog poo infection can cause a pregnant cow to abort, which is why the RVC is not keen on dogs in their fields where there are cows.

Over to you, dog owners.  It cannot be pleasant to pick up your dog's poo in a plastic bag and put it in one of the many dog bins in the area, but think of the consequences of not picking it up.  Ownership means responsibilities.  If you are not willing to carry out your responsibilties then please get rid of your dog.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Editor on September 27, 2010, 06:02:00 pm
Bob, I have split this from the 'Large dogs running free in Gobions (http://www.brookmans.com/forum/index.php?topic=2461.msg22899#msg22899)' thread because, although related, it seems to focus more on an issue already being debated in this thread. So I have merged your latest post with the ongoing discussion about dog mess.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Emma on September 27, 2010, 06:24:58 pm
As a responsible dog owner I agree Bob. I regularly walk over North Mymms Park, and the amount of mess left in the middle of the path is disgusting! (I won’t even go in to the bags left handing on trees and gateposts!)

I quite often see owners looking around nervously to see if anyone is watching as their dog defecates on a path, then hurriedly scurry away. I quite enjoy catching them at this stage, and politely asking if they intend to pick it up. Of course there is always an excuse, the favourite being "I have run out of bags" to which I produce a few and stand over them as they pick it up. You then get the other people who will brazenly strut off down the road, leaving their dog's steaming pile, and if approached you will be confronted with a mouthful of abuse. So what is the answer? Some people (the same people who probably feel no guilt for littering) just don’t care, and sadly, never will (as long as its not their shoes ruined!)   

I just wanted it noted that dog owners get fed up with this issue too, and don’t want to be tarred with the same brush as some.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Editor on September 28, 2010, 07:39:38 am
07:20:  Dog mess alert

A warning to pedestrians on Moffats and Brookmans Avenue this morning. Two piles of dog mess, both in the middle of the pavement where children and commuters walk.

One at the top end of Moffats on the north side of the road (extremely large) and the other at the village end of Brookmans, again on the north side. Clearly different dogs and very fresh. I doubt they were strays, so most likely someone was holding a lead at the time.

To the owners (most likely two local dog owners who exercise their dogs along that route around 7am in the morning) please realise that school children will be walking that way shortly. It really is unfair on them.

David
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: peppermint on September 30, 2010, 10:36:52 am
 :o This morning at 8.30 on Bradmore Lane a dog owner stood on someones front lawn holding her dogs lead whilst the dog did its business on the grass. Unbelievable.  :o
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Helen on September 30, 2010, 01:48:30 pm
Outrageous! Did you confront her? I love dogs but this makes me so mad. I've lost count of the number of times we've had to remove dog mess from our front garden. In fact a few months back the kids & I rushed out of the door in the morning & nearly trod in a steaming pile of poo left on our DOORSTEP! Only my quick reflexes stopped the children from walking through it!!
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: epiphany on September 30, 2010, 07:10:12 pm
:o This morning at 8.30 on Bradmore Lane a dog owner stood on someones front lawn holding her dogs lead whilst the dog did its business on the grass. Unbelievable.  :o

Did you mean Bradmore Way??
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: peppermint on October 01, 2010, 02:47:29 pm
It was Bradmore Lane, down by the vet college.   I was driving so I couldnt stop but I have seen her walking the dog before.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: epiphany on October 01, 2010, 03:00:37 pm
It was Bradmore Lane, down by the vet college.   I was driving so I couldnt stop but I have seen her walking the dog before.

Sorry to split lanes but do you mean Hawkshead Lane??
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Flower on October 01, 2010, 05:57:02 pm
As a very responsible dog owner who walks their dog often in Bradmore Lane and the surrounding area, particularly in the mornings,  I would like to point out that I have NEVER allowed my dog to defecate or urinate on someone's lawn or property. Whenever she does a poo, it is always bagged and brought home, however it might be that someone sees  a female dog urinating and mistakes the 'position' she is in for the more unpleasant consequence! Most dog owners are very anti-fouling (I have often stopped owners and asked them to pick up after their dog) - it is a huge problem in our area which needs to be addressed -
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Editor on October 01, 2010, 07:12:54 pm
Even though responsible dog owners may clear up in public places, there will still be the potential for disease and infection left behind. A plastic bag doesn't protect the public from infection. Much better if they didn't do it in public places.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: PS on October 02, 2010, 09:58:12 am
Even though responsible dog owners may clear up in public places, there will still be the potential for disease and infection left behind. A plastic bag doesn't protect the public from infection. Much better if they didn't do it in public places.

So where do you suggest they do it then ? A plastic bag would still be potentially non protective wherever they do it.

Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: chicken legs on October 02, 2010, 05:06:44 pm
The thing is that picking up doesn't always remove every trace.  I know this, as we had two dogs for some years and did our share of picking up.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Editor on October 02, 2010, 10:25:06 pm

So where do you suggest they do it then ? A plastic bag would still be potentially non protective wherever they do it.


We were in New York recently and all the parks had dog areas where owners could exercise them away from people playing ball and picnicking.  Dogs seemed to be having a fine time.  There were scoopers at the ready.  Perhaps we need something like that.

 
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: James Bentall on October 02, 2010, 10:45:43 pm
<devils advocate>
So which bit of Gobians would you suggest becomes the dog toilet?
</devils advocate>
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Editor on October 03, 2010, 07:51:37 am
Hi James,

Perhaps the far end away from the play area. There could be another in Moffats Open Space to cater for dog owners from the village end. Having searched online there are loads of councils already providing these areas and having read a few threads on dog lover sites they seem popular with dog owners, too, as a place for them and their dogs to socialise. And there are hygienic systems for dealing with dog faeces.

What is interesting is how much they seem to be appreciated by dog owners.  If you search the term "dog exercise areas UK, you come up with a number of forums where owners enthuse about dog runs "as big as football pitches" in some cases.  

Can't find any references on the Welwyn, Herts or North Mymms council sites.

We do need a solution. We wouldn't tolerate seeing a human being squatting and relieving themselves in a public place where people walk, play and picnic - even if they then used a plastic bag to remove the evidence. I am sure dog owners would agree that would be totally unacceptable.

  


 
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Angel on October 03, 2010, 09:05:08 am

We do need a solution. We wouldn't tolerate seeing a human being squatting and relieving themselves in a public place where people walk, play and picnic - even if they then used a plastic bag to remove the evidence. I am sure dog owners would agree that would be totally unacceptable.
 

Quite!

I always said when my children were small, imagine if parents went around tipping the contents of babies' nappies everywhere how everyone would say how disgusting it was, and they would be right, so we shouldn't have to put up with this with dogs.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: epiphany on October 03, 2010, 10:24:08 am
So which bit of Gobians would you suggest becomes the dog toilet?
I thought Gobians was the dog toilet!!
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: BrookyP on October 03, 2010, 04:55:18 pm
maybe dna swab all dogs at birth and then any traces left in the future can be dealt with through the courts.

a totally impractical suggestion I know, but a nice dream....

bp
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: PS on October 03, 2010, 05:41:23 pm
Hi James,

Perhaps the far end away from the play area.
   


Its NOT going to happen - there are FAR more important ways in which the taxpayers monies are going to be spent- after all, what is the REAL problem with all this ? Do we have a 21st century plaque as a result of of our beloved canines defacatting here and there ? No of course not.

This thread should be terminated with immediate effect - too much paranoia - period.
     
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: colinr on October 03, 2010, 06:05:13 pm

This thread should be terminated with immediate effect - too much paranoia - period.
     

Read link below PS, then tell everybody on this thread they are wrong to be paranoid.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-11012044 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-11012044)
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Mary_Morgan on October 03, 2010, 07:15:11 pm
People are not paranoid, just caring and cautious.

The NHS website says that only about 10 cases of toxocariasis in humans per year are found in the UK.   That is 10 too many, but it is not a lot.   How many children die in car accidents per year?

How do you stop it?

You could have the whole dog population killed, but cats also carry it, so you kill all the cats.   I do not think that would meet with approval of many people.

Even if you do that, foxes also carry it. Repeal the abolition on hunting?  Personally, a good idea, but not to everyone, and you will never kill all the foxes.

A question - if you insisted that people not only pooper scooped, but also sprayed the ground with disinfectant, would that help - I am no scientist so I do not know the answer.   It, of course, would not help where people do not scoop, because they are hardly likely to spray either.

I was looking forward to my retirement in a few years and having a dog to keep me active.  Perhaps I will not.

Mary



Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: PS on October 04, 2010, 01:47:11 am
Colinr / Mary Morgan - of course I fully understand that even 1 case is too much and extremely sad - no one can deny that. But - as we have seen on this BB all too often [eg terrorist threats and how "badly" the law treats suspects - remember that one - JF and his concerns for deportees et al and how the odd terrorist attack & associated killings is not a war?] the posters can show excessive concern.

You cannot legislate for every eventuality in life - every possibility that something may or may not happen. Its neither feasible nor practical and there will ALWAYS be exceptions to the rule - the drunk drivers who kill, the armed maniacs who shoot indiscriminately etc. Its life.

The bottom line is that we do not have an epidemic - and thats the important point.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Editor on October 04, 2010, 05:13:10 am
Quote from: PS link=topic=539.msg22949#msg22949


The bottom line is that we do not have an epidemic - and thats the important point.

PS, the issue is that there are too many dog faeces in local public areas where people walk and play as well as along pavements where children walk to school and left on verges outside houses or in gardens.

Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Angel on October 04, 2010, 08:52:52 am
People are not paranoid, just caring and cautious.

A question - if you insisted that people not only pooper scooped, but also sprayed the ground with disinfectant, would that help - I am no scientist so I do not know the answer.   It, of course, would not help where people do not scoop, because they are hardly likely to spray either.

Mary


It might help but I think the thing is that dog owners should not allow their dogs to go in any public place at all.  I think they should use their own back garden and then take the dog out for 'exercise' (Meaning walking etc!)
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: PS on October 04, 2010, 09:20:00 am

PS, the issue is that there are too many dog faeces in local public areas where people walk and play as well as along pavements where children walk to school and left on verges outside houses or in gardens.



Yes - I do understand that - but - I am pretty certain this has been a problem that has existed for decades, and in fact, has probably got beter with greater awareness. Its extremely probable that the issue will NEVER be fully resolved one way or the other.

Angel - if owners allow their dogs to use their "back gardens" then the chances of children catching anything actually probably increases significantly, as there would be more dog pooh concentrated in a smaller area. So that probably is not a good idea either.   
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Ferdie on October 04, 2010, 10:10:19 am
Whilst the health risks maybe greater or smaller, it's the whole unpleasantness of the issue. The smell on one's shoes, right in the tread, or when I use my mower at my mothers on her verge and then pick that mower back up and put it in the back of my car... need I go on. The blatent way some owners allow their dogs foul front verges and don't clear up the mess. Image the furour if I went and squatted on their front verge! Dog owners, please.....
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: southbury on October 04, 2010, 11:17:43 am
As a dog owner and a parent of two young children living adjacent to Gobions I find this thread both interesting and relevant.

What has amused me however is PS's ability to have a dig at John's views on civil liberties under a thread headed , "Dog mess and the health risks" . That's quite an achievement .

I am going to start a thread on 'Needle Point and Home Baking' . I expect my views on the Government's Finances to be given a thorough examination.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: PS on October 04, 2010, 11:29:13 am
What has amused me however is PS's ability to have a dig at John's views on civil liberties under a thread headed , "Dog mess and the health risks" . That's quite an achievement .

Indeed !!

However, its a question of perspective - what is important in the overall scheme of things !! Dogs [and associated pooh] have been around for thousands of years, so there is nothing new. Imagine the horse owners having to muck out each morning, or the farmers having to deal with all different pooh flavourings - do they kick up a fuss ? 
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: colinr on October 04, 2010, 11:48:51 am
Imagine the horse owners having to muck out each morning, or the farmers having to deal with all different pooh flavourings - do they kick up a fuss ? 

Good point, however this all happens on their private land.

Thankfully not on the grass verge outside my house.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: PS on October 04, 2010, 02:13:04 pm
Good point, however this all happens on their private land.

Thankfully not on the grass verge outside my house.


No - it just happems on the roads and streets when the riders and gypsies decide to take their horses for a stroll - and much bigger dollops than dog pooh !!
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Editor on October 04, 2010, 02:43:43 pm
Not sure whether horse manure is as dangerous as dog faeces - I did a bit of searching online and the general feeling is that it is not. Perhaps down to the veggie aspect of their diet.

Back to the topic, though, it seems to me that there are a small number of dog owners who can't be bothered clearing up. I have a couple of really good pals who are dog owners and they are meticulous in their efforts to remove any trace. Of course, they can't (which is why I suggested the exclusive exercise areas for dogs) but at least they do their best.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: epiphany on October 04, 2010, 04:47:38 pm
As Winston Chihuahua once famously said -

"Never in the field of doggy doo has so much been said about so little"
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: John_fraser on October 04, 2010, 05:07:19 pm
He also said a fanatic is someone who won't change his mind and won't change the subject.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: stevea on October 04, 2010, 09:06:22 pm
Over here, it's a $150 fine for not carrying a poo bag, another $150 if you're dog isn't registered and another $150 if you've not got your dog on a lead in a public place. (Brisbane City Council).

By the way, bird poo is more dangerous than dog poo..especially pigeons...ask any Council, they call them flying rats.  I live on the coast, and the climbing apparatus in the children's park are constantly covered in seagull and ibis poo.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: PS on October 04, 2010, 10:06:42 pm
By the way, bird poo is more dangerous than dog poo..especially pigeons...ask any Council, they call them flying rats.  I live on the coast, and the climbing apparatus in the children's park are constantly covered in seagull and ibis poo.

Hmph - interesting : I wonder if there is such paranoia in the seaside towns around the country.

Perhaps Dogs are being singled out - and I thought there were laws against discrimination in the UK !!    8)
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: stevea on October 05, 2010, 05:48:15 am
Yes, we all produce waste in one way or other....look at the pollution we cause, oil spills, lead in the air etc, but the animals and birds can't talk back to us and have to put up with it.

With the dog mess in BP, owners fault.  Pigeon poo that turns to dust can be extremely harmful.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Emma on October 05, 2010, 08:52:48 pm

I think the thing is that dog owners should not allow their dogs to go in any public place at all.  I think they should use their own back garden and then take the dog out for 'exercise' (Meaning walking etc!)


Would you like to start a local training class to teach our dogs when and where to go, on command?

Can I point out, as has already been touched upon, that it is not just dogs that make a mess. How many of you (who are clearly not dog lovers) own a cat? Does it ever occur to you where your cat does its business? How about on our freshly dug vegetable patches where we intend on growing food!? (I could include photos of this, but will leave it to your imaginations) So perhaps we could all extend this witch hunt to the cat owners of the area too.

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Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Angel on October 05, 2010, 09:02:31 pm

Would you like to start a local training class to teach our dogs when and where to go, on command?


No I wouldn't!
It does seem that some (not all) owners know the times their dogs are likely to want to defecate and take them out accordingly (armed with bags!).  I imagine they are mostly creatures of habit.
From what I know Guide dogs are trained not to foul our streets and parks



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Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Emma on October 05, 2010, 09:12:37 pm
Yes I agree with you; however as I'm sure you understand, not all dogs need to go straight away, and it is quite often the walking that stimulates their bowel movement, something not necessary achieved by walking around a garden.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: John_fraser on October 05, 2010, 10:24:22 pm
I don't know of a single owner who would tolerate their dog defecating in thier living room. Therefore owners do have some control over where the deed is done.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Editor on October 06, 2010, 07:30:50 am
In my view the issue is simple.


Would it not make sense to set aside a proper area where the dogs could socialise and exercise and where their droppings could be collected hygenically? And would it not be in the interest of all if the appropriate council - not sure which it would fall to - considered the creation and maintenance of such areas for each community of a certain size? I am sure we would qualify.

Perhaps Bob H could advise whether - in the case of Gobions and Moffats Open Spaces - this would fall to North Mymms Parish, Welwyn Hatfield Borough or Herts County?
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: saffie on October 06, 2010, 07:42:24 am
What if you wanted to walk my dog to the shop or the school and not to the "designated dog park."

I pick up after my dog and always tackle people that don't so why should I not be allowed to walk my dog where I want to.

Maybe you would like to let me know where I could take my children out to play - do they need a "designated childrens zone" where they can play and talk loudly without disturbing you.

I agree that people not picking up their dogs mmess is a problem, but tackle them, don't punish all the responsible owners who do.


Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Editor on October 06, 2010, 08:39:15 am
What if you wanted to walk my dog to the shop or the school and not to the "designated dog park."

I pick up after my dog and always tackle people that don't so why should I not be allowed to walk my dog where I want to.

Maybe you would like to let me know where I could take my children out to play - do they need a "designated childrens zone" where they can play and talk loudly without disturbing you.

I agree that people not picking up their dogs mmess is a problem, but tackle them, don't punish all the responsible owners who do.



Hi Saffie,

Of course you should be free to walk your dog wherever you want. I actually enjoy it when invited to walk with one of my pals across the fields with his dog. It's great to see a dog and owner out and about and enjoying the countryside.

All I am suggesting is that it would be good to have designated areas where dogs can defecate hygenically. If other local authorities can do it then why can't we?

David
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Susan on October 06, 2010, 09:30:19 am
But surely responsible owners would use those areas, leaving irresponsible owners to continue to do as they pleased - just as now. It would make no difference at all. (And responsible owners also worm their dogs.)

It doesn't take many irresponsible dog owners to create a problem. One dog = one or two messes a day, which each last perhaps a week (I've not studied the subject!). If that one person takes their dog to Gobions every day, that's immediately 7-14 yucky spots from one dog ;D  Surely it's those (few?) people who should be targetted to resolve the problem. 

PS Can't something be done about those pesky geese  ;)
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: saffie on October 06, 2010, 02:35:41 pm

PS Can't something be done about those pesky geese  ;)


I would prefer it if something was done about the fishermen first, what a bunch of miserable men!!!!  I know of a number of cases of dog walkers being verbally abused by them, one elderly women was in tears one day after her dog got "too close" to one of them and he kicked it.  How are these men allowed to behave like this.

Back to dog mess:
I suggest that if people see dog poo not being picked up in Gobions, they simply ask the owners to do it.  I do this and hand them one of my poo bags and wait till I know it has been collected. 

Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Angel on October 06, 2010, 04:51:05 pm

PS Can't something be done about those pesky geese  ;)


Poor bloke - he's getting the blame for everything round here!!!   :) :icon_jokercolor:
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Bob Horrocks on October 06, 2010, 06:52:04 pm
Would it not make sense to set aside a proper area where the dogs could socialise and exercise and where their droppings could be collected hygenically? And would it not be in the interest of all if the appropriate council - not sure which it would fall to - considered the creation and maintenance of such areas for each community of a certain size? I am sure we would qualify.

Perhaps Bob H could advise whether - in the case of Gobions and Moffats Open Spaces - this would fall to North Mymms Parish, Welwyn Hatfield Borough or Herts County?

Gobions and Moffats Open Spaces are owned by the parish council so it would be their decision for those open spaces.  The groundsmen are already paid extra to empty the dog litter bins.  I hate to think how much extra they would have to be paid to clean up a whole compound - assuming they were willing to do it
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Editor on October 06, 2010, 08:58:33 pm

The groundsmen are already paid extra to empty the dog litter bins.  I hate to think how much extra they would have to be paid to clean up a whole compound - assuming they were willing to do it


But if a dedicated exercise area were to be introduced wouldn't that mean that the existing dog litter bins would be used less leaving the groundsmen more time to attend to the new responsibilities?
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Ferdie on October 07, 2010, 07:44:58 am
Would it not make sense to set aside a proper area where the dogs could socialise and exercise and where their droppings could be collected hygenically? And would it not be in the interest of all if the appropriate council - not sure which it would fall to - considered the creation and maintenance of such areas for each community of a certain size? I am sure we would qualify.

Is this not a bit like creating an area for the public to drop litter? No, no, no. Pity the person responsible for clearing up other people's dog poo. The irresponsible owners will still ignore the 'rules' anyway, that's what they do already.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Bob Horrocks on October 07, 2010, 11:09:18 am
But if a dedicated exercise area were to be introduced wouldn't that mean that the existing dog litter bins would be used less leaving the groundsmen more time to attend to the new responsibilities?

It could have the 'M25' effect of attracting more business (ho ho) than before.  The parish council might have to buy a tractor with a huge shovel at the front to clean up the area, or is my imagination running wild?

I wonder what the RVC did before they built the car park between the Queen Mother Hospital and the road.  That area used to be a dog exercising area.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: sasquartch on October 07, 2010, 11:41:56 am
It would be interesting to know what procedures are used at South Ridge RSPCA - they must exercise fifty or more dogs at least once a day - so they must know how to deal with the problem
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: saffie on October 08, 2010, 05:45:40 pm
It would be interesting to know what procedures are used at South Ridge RSPCA - they must exercise fifty or more dogs at least once a day - so they must know how to deal with the problem

At the RVC, they used to exercise the dogs on leads and pick up as soon as the dog had a poo.  So you are still reliant on people to pick up after their dogs. 

You can't honestly think that you can close most of Gobions off to dogs, just because of a few selfish people we all get punished!!!!

If you see someone not picking up JUST TELL THEM TOO!!!
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Bedlam on October 09, 2010, 06:00:24 pm
It always makes me retch when I see dog owners picking up still steaming dog poo with bare hands albeit within plastic bags. Do they realise that most polythene is slightly permeable??? Yuck!!! Huey and Ralph! At least wear a rubber glove or something.

Some then walk along swinging the bag's contents to and fro as if to advertise " Look at me, I've collected my dog's Poo but let's all share in the experience". IMO it's not a nice one and the thought of it makes me feel quite ill.  :o

I agree with removing your dog's poo but please do it discreetely and please scrub your hands afterwards.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: colinr on October 09, 2010, 06:39:35 pm
It always makes me retch when I see dog owners picking up still steaming dog poo with bare hands albeit within plastic bags. Do they realise that most polythene is slightly permeable??? Yuck!!! Huey and Ralph! At least wear a rubber glove or something.

Some then walk along swinging the bag's contents to and fro as if to advertise " Look at me, I've collected my dog's Poo but let's all share in the experience". IMO it's not a nice one and the thought of it makes me feel quite ill.  :o

I agree with removing your dog's poo but please do it discreetely and please scrub your hands afterwards.

Bedlam, Have you also seen the plastic bags, hanging from trees or in the hedge.

The lazy owners can't even be bothered to dispose of the bag properly, just leave it for somebody else to do.

I know there are a lot of good pet owners out there in Brookmans Park, but also there are a lot of people who do not understand how to conduct themselves in a civilised society.

What about the trend to clear your throat and spit on the floor, Nice . I was standing next to a hoodie on Finsbury Park station last week when I was nearly spat on.

Please tell me I am not turning into a grumpy old man!!
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Bedlam on October 09, 2010, 08:36:29 pm
Quote
Bedlam, Have you also seen the plastic bags, hanging from trees or in the hedge.

The lazy owners can't even be bothered to dispose of the bag properly, just leave it for somebody else to do.

Makes me want to puke too, same as the knobs that litter the bottle/can Recycling Area in Welham Green and other areas.

Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Emma on October 10, 2010, 08:38:58 am
Quote
It always makes me retch when I see dog owners picking up still steaming dog poo with bare hands albeit within plastic bags. Do they realise that most polythene is slightly permeable??? Yuck!!! Huey and Ralph! At least wear a rubber glove or something.

Some then walk along swinging the bag's contents to and fro as if to advertise " Look at me, I've collected my dog's Poo but let's all share in the experience". IMO it's not a nice one and the thought of it makes me feel quite ill. 

I agree with removing your dog's poo but please do it discretely and please scrub your hands afterwards.

So not only are you moaning that not enough people pick it up (which I fully agree with) but you're also moaning about HOW we pick it up? Sorry if it offends you so much, but really, which would you prefer? If we don't pick it up - we face a fine & the wrath of all the local cat owners who choose to turn a blind eye to where their pets defecate, then start hate campaigns against all dog owners, OR we do pick it up, and run the risk of making you feel ill, ... I'm sorry, but I know what I'd rather do!  For the record I would like to add that I carry antibacterial wipes with me, however I really don't see what it has to do with you, or anyone else.

Next time I see someone wiping their baby’s bottom I might ask them to refrain from doing so, as it might "make me retch".


Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: saffie on October 11, 2010, 02:10:18 pm
Thanks Emma, I had been meaning to log on all day to post such a reply.

Bedlam - I can't believe that you moan about dogs pooing and people not picking it up and then you moan about the owners picking it and their technique!!! 

Now also dog walkers are not allowed to swing their arms while walking as this offends you too as they might be carrying a bag of dog poo in one hand.  Did it not occur to you that these people are not swinging their bag of dog poo with pride, this is just the way their arms move when they walk!!!!!!

I will swinging my dog poo bag now with renewed vigour just to annoy you small minded people, who no one seems to be able to make happy.

Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: peppermint on October 12, 2010, 01:47:06 pm
Hi Emma,

Speaking of babys bottoms.   I recently saw someone changing their baby's bottom on a chair in the cafe in Morrisons, St. Albans ....... lovely! ???
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: stevea on October 13, 2010, 04:47:10 am
Well, what goes in, must come out. We all carry at least a kilo around with us every day... :)
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: PS on October 13, 2010, 10:54:08 am
Well, what goes in, must come out. We all carry at least a kilo around with us every day... :)

How do you know.......or perhaps have you carried and swung it in a plastic bag for all and sundry to see before plonking it on the scales at home ???
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: stevea on October 13, 2010, 11:10:06 am
PS - ok, a slight exageration..it's probably about 100g..but this link explains how to work it out
http://www.ams.ac.ir/aim/0034/asl0034.html (http://www.ams.ac.ir/aim/0034/asl0034.html)
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: PS on October 13, 2010, 11:15:07 am
PS - ok, a slight exageration..it's probably about 100g..but this link explains how to work it out
http://www.ams.ac.ir/aim/0034/asl0034.html (http://www.ams.ac.ir/aim/0034/asl0034.html)

Hey thanks Stevea - I'll be sure to spend some evenings studying the article and associated references.  ;D



 
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: southbury on July 21, 2011, 09:50:22 am
Dear All ,

Sorry to drag this up again but ... and before I go on my own dog is walked twice a day in the woods.

... but as is normal  in the Summer term we held Cubs at Gobions yesterday .

The top field ( next to the Car Park and Play Area ) was a total and utter disgrace with dog mess simply everywhere.

II am going over to clear what I can tonight.

If you exercise your dogs in Gobions ; get a grip , be responsible and pick 'it' up ! At the moment it is both unpleasant , unnecessary and a total health hazard .

rgds
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Liqourice on July 21, 2011, 10:19:31 am
it takes two mins to pick it up in a bag and carry it to a bin. if you have to keep it on you for the whole why not try taking a few bags with you and put it in more than on bag to stop the smell..  i have five dogs and i always take a minimum of five bages home with me or to the bin.
Some people have absolutely no respect for other people and the surrondings.
Gobians is a lovely place to walk and have a picinic. Keep it that way.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: James Bentall on July 21, 2011, 10:36:09 am
The Parish Council who are responsible for Gobions have powers to tackle dog mess, but at the moment are choosing not to use them for what I believe is financial reasons. However, if enough people contact their local councillors to complain it may become more of a priority for them in the future...
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Liqourice on July 21, 2011, 11:38:46 am
maybe someone should organise a poo pick up day. Where everyone who walks there dog can come and help clean it up. that way everyone has helped deal with their dog mess and other peoples
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: EvieMay on July 21, 2011, 12:53:08 pm
maybe someone should organise a poo pick up day. Where everyone who walks there dog can come and help clean it up. that way everyone has helped deal with their dog mess and other peoples


I would most certainly participate in such an event having used Gobion's for many years to exercise successive furry friends and wanting to contribute to keeping it a beautiful place for all to enjoy.  It is a shame, however, that the attendees will all be people who already responsibly clean up after their own pets clearing up after those selfish people who don't.  Makes my blood boil when I see someone standing there watching their dog producing a steaming pile of **** and then just walking off nonchalantly.  I will, on occasion, point out their responsibility to them, but you have to be careful as you never know how they might react!
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: southbury on July 21, 2011, 01:21:03 pm
Last night we were playing games in an area of probably 150 x 150 yards in the area nearest the car park / back gardens.

I would estimate we found 15- 20 of the little ' treasures' in that area alone . I have been visting the Open Space daily for 9 years and it's the worst I have encountered by far.

I'll be going over tonight at about 6.30 to clear it up .. my guess is it will be equally as bad by 2pm tomorrow when I know lots of families will be going over to Gobions to celebrate the start of the school holidays.

rgds
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Bob Horrocks on July 25, 2011, 02:44:22 pm
The Parish Council who are responsible for Gobions have powers to tackle dog mess, but at the moment are choosing not to use them for what I believe is financial reasons. However, if enough people contact their local councillors to complain it may become more of a priority for them in the future...

What exactly do you suggest the parish council does?  All councils are having to watch their expenditure carefully.  So please do not suggest employing someone to patrol Gobions Open Space and the other areas of land owned by the parish council.  This is a national problem, not just here. 
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: James Bentall on July 25, 2011, 04:25:38 pm
What exactly do you suggest the parish council does?  All councils are having to watch their expenditure carefully.  So please do not suggest employing someone to patrol Gobions Open Space and the other areas of land owned by the parish council.  This is a national problem, not just here.

Well since you asked.... :)

Obviously, I do not expect the Parish Council to have the resources to employ someone full time. However, could they not explore other options? The council does employ staff such as Groundsmen. Could their job description/working hours be changed to accommodate some more looking after of Gobions? Welwyn Hatfield Council does employ dog wardens. Could the Parish council pay for them for an hour or two each week to patrol their land?

From the figures provided by the Parish Council for the year 2009-2010, the Council spent around £19,500 maintaining facilities used by the Bowling Club (both the green and their use of the Burns Pavilion) whilst the Bowls Club only gave around £7,000 back to the council in rent and contributions for new equipment. This leaves a shortfall of £12,500. The council have said that the Bowls Club will be increasing their contribution year on year which will presumably free up council finances for other areas. Could some of the savings be used to pay for a part time dog warden?

The problem at the moment i see is there is no deterrent. Even if there was only someone patrolling for an hour or two a month, people would be caught and fined. That may be enough to persuade people to make the effort to pick up their mess after them. Whilst I commend the efforts of Southbury and others in picking up other people's mess and I appreciate the parish council has installed additional dog mess bins over the last few years, unless people are going to be hurt financially I cannot see the problem being solved any other way.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Mr Green on July 25, 2011, 05:56:50 pm
What exactly do you suggest the parish council does?  All councils are having to watch their expenditure carefully.  So please do not suggest employing someone to patrol Gobions Open Space and the other areas of land owned by the parish council.  This is a national problem, not just here.

PCSOs have the power & local residents set the neighbourhood team priorities.
So go to your local panel meeting and ask them to tackle it.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Liqourice on July 26, 2011, 09:29:30 am
The council are not going to be bothered by dog mess and employing someone to patrol gobians, it will be at the bottom of there list. We might have to all come up with an idea ourselves and pitch it to the council to say this is what we are going to do or want.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: James Bentall on July 26, 2011, 09:39:39 am
The council have a legal duty to ensure it is cleared up - they don't have a choice!

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/HomeAndCommunity/WhereYouLive/Streetcleaninglitterandillegaldumping/DG_10025986 (http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/HomeAndCommunity/WhereYouLive/Streetcleaninglitterandillegaldumping/DG_10025986)

James
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: southbury on July 26, 2011, 10:45:37 am
Cheers James , that's very useful.

I'll file a report now.

I think we all know that it's ludicrous that we are in a situation where it is necessary to get the local authority to spend time and money it can ill afford on a matter that should never arise. However ,  in it's current state the Open Space gives rise to genuine 'health and safety ' issues. This is more pertinent now as the School holidays are on . My children are playing there right now.

The really frustrating thing is this issue should never arise. Sadly it does but  there is a perfectly free and simple solution to this awful problem ..

Dog Owners Be Responsible - there are NO EXCUSES. .. My family own a dog and we would NEVER not clean up after it . Never.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Editor on July 26, 2011, 04:29:37 pm
Dog Owners Be Responsible - there are NO EXCUSES. .. My family own a dog and we would NEVER not clean up after it . Never.

The problem is that no matter how careful dog owners are in clearing up there will always be residue left behind that can be harmful. In New York they have areas for exercising dogs that are fenced off from areas where children play. Would that be a solution?  To have a dog zone where they can both exercise their legs and their bowels?

Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: BrookyP on July 26, 2011, 04:41:00 pm
I dont really understand the whole dog thing but why cant owners let them poo in their gardens then take them out for a walk....simples

I still think a dna database of all dogs (though impracticle) would be a great money spinner.

simply swab the poo-then fine the owner-sorted...


bp
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Liqourice on July 26, 2011, 07:53:58 pm
BP That is gross and dogs dont work like that.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Liqourice on July 28, 2011, 08:40:09 am
I think that is a brilliant idea to have a big exercise area enclosed off for the dogs. They have them all over america and are brilliant. But most of the American ones have a warden at the gate who takes like £1.00 of everyone who goes in, in oreder to keep the park there for the dogs. But you still have the problem of picking up poo, we would need to do it inside the doggy park, but with possibly more than one person in the area they can tell people off and make them pick it up. If someone proposes this to the council and it works in order to stop the people who dont pick it up from coming in we could put up laminated posters of the dogs (owners) whos poo hasnt been picked up and ban them..

(sorry if it didnt make sense)
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: epiphany on July 28, 2011, 09:16:56 am
I think the best policy is simply to rub their faces in it ( the owners, that is ) ;D
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Bob Horrocks on July 28, 2011, 03:46:17 pm
The council does employ staff such as Groundsmen. Could their job description/working hours be changed to accommodate some more looking after of Gobions? Welwyn Hatfield Council does employ dog wardens. Could the Parish council pay for them for an hour or two each week to patrol their land?

The groundsmen are fully occupied particularly during the summer when the problem is at its highest.  They already get extra pay for emptying the dog litter bins - not a task the average person would wish to do.  The Welwyn Hatfield Council dog wardens and police have permission to patrol Gobions Open Space and the other open areas owned by the parish council.

I do like the idea of large signs at the entrances to each recreation ground and open space with graphic pictures etc of toddlers picking up dog dirt and the harmful medical effects of eating it.

From the figures provided by the Parish Council for the year 2009-2010, the Council spent around £19,500 maintaining facilities used by the Bowling Club (both the green and their use of the Burns Pavilion) whilst the Bowls Club only gave around £7,000 back to the council in rent and contributions for new equipment.

A bit of a red herring like saying money spent on speed cameras could be better used for re-carving the names on the war memorial to ensure they do not get obliterated.  This is purely a mythical example - nobody has asked for this to be done.   >:D

About £50,000 has been spent in recent years on upgrading childrens play areas.  Bowling is a very popular recreation for mainly older residents of our parish.   The football pitch at Welham Green costs far more to maintain than is every likely to be recovered by hire fees.  New goal posts are required since the existing ones have reached the end of their life.  The pitch needs marking out every week in the playing season.  Work is needed on the showers in the changing rooms and water heating boiler.  Why not close down the football pitch to fund a dog warden?  Decisions, decisions.  Who said life was easy? 
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Angel on August 04, 2011, 09:41:50 am
I dont really understand the whole dog thing but why cant owners let them poo in their gardens then take them out for a walk....simples

BP That is gross and dogs dont work like that.

I think you'll find guide dogs are trained to 'go' before going out
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Liqourice on August 04, 2011, 12:34:47 pm
Angel my comment "ew thats gross" was referring to the dog poo dna comment made by bp. If you read it properly.
We are not talking about guide dogs, we are talking about dogs in general.
The whole point of taking a dog for a walk, is not for it to see the scenery but to let the do a poo and wee otherwise there would be no point in having a dog or for that matter the dog being with you.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: EvieMay on August 04, 2011, 02:43:28 pm
I dont really understand the whole dog thing but why cant owners let them poo in their gardens then take them out for a walk....simples

BP That is gross and dogs dont work like that.

I think you'll find guide dogs are trained to 'go' before going out

As someone who has 'puppy walked' for the GDB I can tell you with certainty that guide dogs will, indeed, 'go' before working but on leisure walks they are as likely as any other dog to go wherever they choose.  Even if a dog does empty its bowels before a walk it doesn't guarantee it won't go again.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Angel on August 04, 2011, 02:57:21 pm
Angel my comment "ew thats gross" was referring to the dog poo dna comment made by bp. If you read it properly.
We are not talking about guide dogs, we are talking about dogs in general.
The whole point of taking a dog for a walk, is not for it to see the scenery but to let the do a poo and wee otherwise there would be no point in having a dog or for that matter the dog being with you.
From my reading, you were implying that it was gross to let a dog use the owner's garden because you said "dogs dont work like that" - no mention of DNA in your post.  The reason I brought up Guide Dogs was because I thought they were trained to use the garden but EvieMay has told me (politely I might add) that that they may poo again when out.

I thought the whole point of taking a dog for a walk was for exercise and not to let it poo and wee everywhere!!
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Liqourice on August 04, 2011, 04:43:33 pm
Its common sense though, we go to the toilet before we leave the house but we don't hold it in untill we get home again do we..
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Liqourice on August 04, 2011, 04:44:12 pm
Thank you evie may
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: peppermint on August 05, 2011, 11:27:54 am
Liquorice, I think you may need to pay a visit to your doctor :)
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Liqourice on August 05, 2011, 01:01:59 pm
What do you mean peppermint??
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: peppermint on August 05, 2011, 04:57:52 pm
I was referring to your toilet habits although I am sure if you are out walking
your dog and cant wait until you get home you could always pop into the
Water End Cafe and use theirs??
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Liqourice on August 05, 2011, 11:05:41 pm
No you have to buy something
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: jet on August 06, 2011, 01:43:43 am
This is pathetic, first of all my observations are that people do not realise that all dogs are pack animals and that their owners are leader of the pack.
Secondly people get dogs and don't realise they are a full time occupation. They crave human leadership and bark if left alone.
Turdly, feed the mutt twice a day with correct amount of food and it will go twice a day soon after.
In other word feed it,let it out into your garden. It will crap then take it for a walk as a reward.
Easy enit.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Liqourice on August 06, 2011, 08:13:38 am
So what your saying is dogs go for a poo once a day... what type of dogs do you have???
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Angel on August 06, 2011, 09:01:42 am
Turdly, feed the mutt twice a day with correct amount of food and it will go twice a day soon after.
In other word feed it,let it out into your garden. It will crap then take it for a walk as a reward.
Easy enit.

So what your saying is dogs go for a poo once a day... what type of dogs do you have???

 ??? ??? :)
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: epiphany on August 06, 2011, 09:15:16 am
So what your saying is dogs go for a poo once a day... what type of dogs do you have???

Poodle and Shih Tzu
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Angel on August 06, 2011, 09:38:35 am
So what your saying is dogs go for a poo once a day... what type of dogs do you have???

Poodle and Shih Tzu

LOL!!!  :icon_jokercolor:
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: jet on August 06, 2011, 10:57:17 am
Firstly i don't have any dogs because I don't think I can give them the time they need.
Secondly I have minded plenty of dogs for long periods though.
Turdly by feeding twice a day at regular times they will go twice a day.
Most people feed their animals too often, irregularly and too much. Ask a vet.
Dog owners, try feeding the right food, the right time,twice a day for a regular period and you will find that they will "go" as soon as they are taken out, ie in your garden. They are creatures of habit.
The majority of people especially anyone who works, thus leaving the animal alone, have no right to own one.
They are creatures that need time and activity.
Most seem to be some kind of sad status symbol.
I reckon 90% of dogs are ill treated by their loving but uncaring owners.
The fact that there is so much barking and fouling proves this.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: sasquartch on August 16, 2011, 01:01:10 pm
Turdly by feeding twice a day at regular times they will go twice a day.

Is that a pun  :icon_jokercolor:
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: epiphany on August 16, 2011, 01:17:19 pm
It's Irish for tree!
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Bob Horrocks on August 18, 2011, 12:55:38 pm
Reminds me of an ancient joke (like me) of a history class where the pupils were asked to name some English monarchs.  Paddy suggested 'Dick the s..t'.  The teacher queried this and Paddy's friend translated it as 'Richard the Third'.

But seriously, we hear of 'Community Payback' work.  Maybe they could do a weekly clean up of open spaces and woods like Gobions.  I will suggest this to the parish council.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Dubhagan on December 22, 2011, 11:18:20 am
A big thank you to all those dog walkers who clean up the dog mess. There are still some people who don't conform but things are much improved.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Mermaid on March 21, 2012, 08:16:55 am
Last week I saw a woman let two large dogs run off the lead in Gobions Open Space. She was making a call on her mobile while the large animals relieved their bowels where children play. She could see it happening but obviously had no intention of clearing up. I presume that was not a one off.

No, it was not a one-off, unfortunately. I walk my mother's dog in Gobions most days. So often I see two or more women walking together and chatting away, whilst their dogs foul the grass behind them. The women are completely oblivious!
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Editor on March 21, 2012, 09:27:18 am
Last week I saw a woman let two large dogs run off the lead in Gobions Open Space. She was making a call on her mobile while the large animals relieved their bowels where children play. She could see it happening but obviously had no intention of clearing up. I presume that was not a one off.

No, it was not a one-off, unfortunately. I walk my mother's dog in Gobions most days. So often I see two or more women walking together and chatting away, whilst their dogs foul the grass behind them. The women are completely oblivious!

It's a pity, and I am not sure what can be done about it. Signs don't work.

(I have split this topic from the Leach Fields footpaths thread (http://www.brookmans.com/forum/index.php/topic,1942.msg28764.html#msg28764) because my comments were in danger of taking it off topic. I have attached them to this thread instead.)
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: mannyd on March 21, 2012, 12:10:16 pm
The next time one of my kids walks in some, I'm going to save them in a bag and give them to these inconsiderate people to clean..... or they could have my husband's wheelchair to clean? Gobions really is a disgrace at the moment
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: saffie on March 20, 2013, 08:51:37 pm
Dear Lazy Dog Owner

I was disgusted today to walk around The Gardens and Westland Drive and see the amount of uncollected dog mess.  I have 2 dogs, walked on two leads and still manage to carry poo bags, stop, bend down and pick it up.  What is wrong with you - no arms!!!

You disgust me, if you have a dog then be responsible and pick it up.  I hope the next person who comes to visit, steps in a big wet pile you have left on the grass verge and ruins your carpets.

It's people like you that give dog owners a bad name.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: mannyd on March 20, 2013, 10:01:14 pm
I was going to reprt the same thing - one pile on the verge outside my house in Westland, another by the postman's storeage box, and another down the alley. My kids have started to shout "Poo alert".... funny, but a disgusting thing to have to try and avoid (or not, as my youngest did manage to stand in one lot). If I see the culprit, I shall revert to being Northern (as my husband would have said!)....just no need for it at all
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: BrookyP on July 24, 2013, 01:35:47 pm
Was walking there on sat and was surprised at the amount of dog mess. Ruined a pair of trainers in it to boot :-\

Shame some irresponsible dog owners simply dont care about others, or their environment, in the slightest. Made me wonder if its time to propose shutting that area off to dogs.

If its not the dog mess, its some owners large/small dogs careering about off leads generally being annoying.

Anyone know whos in charge of that area as might ping them an email. Any help appreciated.

ta bp
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Editor on July 24, 2013, 02:45:30 pm
Was walking there on sat and was surprised at the amount of dog mess. Ruined a pair of trainers in it to boot :-\

Hi BrookyP, I have merged your post with an existing thread on this issue. Gobions is probably one of the worst areas locally for dog mess - and we walk a lot of paths. The sad thing is that you are prevented from looking at the trees and view because you have to look down to make sure you don't step in anything. I have a couple of friends who own dogs and they always clear up after them, but there must be some who don't. Pity.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: James Bentall on July 24, 2013, 03:34:05 pm
Gobions open space is owned by North Mymms Parish Council.

Dog mess was one of the things I said I was going to look at if elected. The Parish Council Clerk has kindly done some research for me on different powers available to parish councils and I am currently writing a proposal based on this research which I plan on discussing with my fellow councillors at the next Parish Council meeting. Watch this space...

James
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: BrookyP on July 24, 2013, 03:53:32 pm
James i will keep a look out on this thread for any news. many thanks  ;D

bp

Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Midnight on July 25, 2013, 12:23:43 am
Whilst it's lovely to let your dog off the lead to run around, in the woodland area you really can't have proper control over the dog, and hence locate and bag up their mess. My own dog is intimidated by free running dogs that bound over,especially when there's two or more of them that dart out suddenly. 

Once again it's the owners at fault, who care little for anyone but themselves.

Perhaps the bylaw should be "dogs on a lead" but then policing that would be problematical. Tricky problem.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: BrookyP on July 26, 2013, 09:56:28 am
We have stopped using Gobions now. This is a shame as so many people put a lot of hard work into the place, and in my opinion it been made unusable by some selfish dog "owners".

Lots of other dog free places to walk around here.

BP
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Editor on July 26, 2013, 10:08:34 am
Lots of other dog free places to walk around here.

BP

Hi BrookyP, you are right, there are loads of great walks. Work your way through the 28 (and counting) walks in our collection.

http://www.brookmans.com/walks/ (http://www.brookmans.com/walks/)

I have added photogalleries and downloadable mobile maps to many of the later ones and starting to do the same with the earlier ones.

Most are mostly clear of dog mess, although you may want to take extra care on Walk 1: North Mymms Circular, Walk 3: The Brookmans Park Circular (takes in Gobions), and the last bit of Walk 22: The North Mymms Way (cuts through Gobions)
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Chungdokwan on July 26, 2013, 03:44:39 pm
This may be a cultural/social problem, but dog excrement has always been a problem. 'Poo bags' are a relatively new development. Without them, we'd be up to our necks in the stuff.

I have a dog and a young child. I walk my dog and child in Gobions and I pick up the dog's droppings. I also fish the lake. I encounter dog excrement on the paths and, to a lesser extent, on the open spaces away from the lake paths and the woods but I don't think it's any worse than any other public open space I have visited recently. The problem rests with the owner and not the dog. The answer is possibly better signage with more dramatic and stronger messaging and at least a couple more dog mess bins in carefully thought out places. Enforcement is another option, but is far more expensive. A dog warden patrolling once or twice a week with powers to levy significant (>£50) on the spot fines is probably the best solution but some may see this as being too draconian. I am personally against a policy of dogs being kept on leads at all times in Gobions as most dogs need to get properly exercised and my dog needs more than a walk around the block, but I would agree that some owners just can't control their animals and let them run out of control and of course out of sight whereupon they may decide to defecate. I really can't see what you can do about it other than to raise awareness. Possibly also restricting open space access to 'professional' dog walkers having more than three dogs under so-called control at any one time, which I think may be part of the  problem. Anecdotally, controlling three of your own dogs is difficult enough but controlling three dogs belonging to three different owners must be a lot more difficult, and if your mobile rings or you're busy text messaging...well.

Please don't attempt to ruin everyone's pleasurable dog owning experience just because a few ignorant people can't control their animals or themselves. These people will change only under duress and you know that the decent, overall  majority of dog owners were doing the decent thing anyway and always clear up after their dogs. Even my young son clears up after his dog. Anyone not doing so should be mightily ashamed of themselves.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: flw67 on March 01, 2014, 09:31:07 am
Can the owner of the large dog who is regularly not picking up a huge amount dog mess outside 8 & 10 Peplins Way, please pick up. It's right in the middle of the path and this is a route used by many children to school with the obvious health risks.

Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: BrookyP on October 02, 2014, 07:05:56 pm
One trip to gobions today and dog mess on all 4 wheels of buggy. Its just one big dog patch down there now-a real shame.


bp
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Mr Green on October 02, 2014, 08:31:59 pm
The local authority can authorise PCSOs to enforce dog fouling. Perhaps PCSO William McCaskie can help.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Nobby on June 03, 2015, 11:29:09 pm
The large pile of dog poo left on the verge outside my house doesn't add a great deal to the village aesthetics.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Bedlam on June 04, 2015, 06:20:41 pm
The large pile of dog poo left on the verge outside my house doesn't add a great deal to the village aesthetics.
So called dog lovers, don't you just love them, in this case not.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Editor on June 04, 2015, 07:05:42 pm
I have merged the previous two posts in this thread, numbers 299 and 300, from the Brookmans Park not as 'pretty' as it might be (http://www.brookmans.com/forum/index.php/topic,5052.msg38311.html#msg38311) thread to prevent that discussion going off topic and focusing on dog mess, which is already covered in this thread.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Rosy545 on June 06, 2015, 11:40:08 am
I must say while walking round Gobians yesterday I'm disgusted with the amount of dogs mess all over the place! The simple rule of thumb would be if you don't like to pick dogs mess up don't get a dog!
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: parker5 on June 06, 2015, 02:33:42 pm
I walked there this morning with my 2 children and 2 dogs, one child trod in dog mess and the ball ended up in a pile, without realising they started to play catch resulting in hands covered in dog poo. That cut short our trip to goblins....Disgusting. The whole field was mowed 2 days ago, and the field is littered in it already. I am a dog owner and a parent Gobions should be enjoyed by both.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: BrookyP on June 07, 2015, 07:30:02 pm
i stopped going there. mess on buggy wheels/shoes every time. its such a shame but its turned into a real "dog patch" BP
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Editor on July 13, 2015, 11:06:13 am
Just had to clear up a load of dog mess from our garden path at the front. I don't think we have strays in Brookmans Park, so I am guessing the dog was on a lead at the time and the owner was aware what was happening.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Angel on January 08, 2016, 10:45:06 am
Walked down Moffats Lane this morning and the odd numbered side is dreadful - must have had to avoid about eight instances of dog mess.  Yuck.

 >:(
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Helen on January 08, 2016, 07:08:22 pm
Walked down Moffats Lane this morning and the odd numbered side is dreadful - must have had to avoid about eight instances of dog mess.  Yuck.

 >:(

You beat me to it Angel - I was going to post on here too. Every other time I've walked down Moffats this week there have been another few additions to the canine faecal landscape. Not pleasant when trying to keep your 8 year old plus her scooter out of it all. The pavement's barely wide enough as it is.

Without putting too fine a point on it I would venture that the evidence does look like it's come from a single dog so maybe the culprit has only just started walking up Moffats?

I'll be on the lookout next week for any suspicious canine activity...
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: epiphany on January 08, 2016, 08:51:22 pm
Perhaps a simple test akin to Cinderella's slipper might be a suitable way of establishing the culprits identity?........
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: sgoldswo on January 11, 2016, 01:16:26 pm
Someone had let their dog "add to the variety of the landscape" all over the pavement toward the village end of moffats this morning. Vile.
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Helen on January 11, 2016, 01:31:20 pm
Yes, I noticed a few additions to the Moffats landscape too this morning - the Cinderella slipper test suggested above probably isn't necessary as I'm pretty certain it's the same canine culprit as last week. The rain has now washed last week's offerings away down the hill which I'm not sure is a good or a bad thing. Less of it but harder to spot & therefore easier to step in...


 
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: milkmade on December 02, 2016, 01:19:57 pm
Has anyone else noticed how many people have started collecting dog poo in plastic bags and then dumping the bags on the pavements?
Title: Re: Dog mess and the health risks
Post by: Nimbus on December 02, 2016, 02:21:02 pm
... or hanging them in the hedgerows.