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Title: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on January 30, 2003, 06:35:43 pm
Could everyone please report the situations on their roads here in the forum for the benefit of anyone wanting to venture out during the snow storm.  Click here for details of what we know so far. (http://www.brookmans.com/news/january03/snow.shtml)
Thanks
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Astra on January 30, 2003, 06:53:00 pm
Major problems in Welwyn Garden City.

The town centre has come to a a complete halt and Mundells estate is totally gridlocked.

A colleague of mine left here 40 minutes ago and has only managed to travel 250 yeards.

Suggest that you avoid the area completely for the next couple of hours.

Astra
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: anna on January 30, 2003, 07:50:15 pm
Wow, Is all I can say.......I know  traffic is gridlock coming from Hatfield, my brother has been stuck their almost an hour. The A1000 is a nightmare. I'm not sure if Brookmans Ave or GWR has been cleared. I know I saw tons of kids walking home, their coach hadn't turned up and the poor kids had been waiting over an hour and had then decided to walk home to Potters Bar. I chatted to lots of them as they walked past, asking them if I could ring parents for them etc, but have to say, they were all very sensible, they were all walking home in groups and most had phoned home.  

Must say the the village did look very pretty with a coating of snow!

On a serious note, I hope everyone gets home safely tonight, even in my 4WD it was a pretty scary journey home. And to all you people who say 4WD are necessary in a place like this........well I think we were the ones having the last laugh today!!!!

Does anyone know if this will effect schools tomorrow???
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: anna on January 30, 2003, 08:05:29 pm
Just heard the Church Road in Potters Bar is blocked as well....which is probably why the A1000 is so bad. Cars are being pushed up the Road.

Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: jet on January 30, 2003, 08:08:52 pm
Well we are off to war and 2" snow cripples us :(
4WDs can still skid, best to send for Llamas ;)
The whole thing is because our so called weather centres can not give advise early enough for people to do the sensible thing and travel before it starts ( wether any one would take notice is another matter).
It is not even icy yet? so why all the road chaos?
Lets be honest it coincided with school out time.
In the good old days most kids lived within easy walking distance and snow was good fun, now its a problem, and its called progress ???
Something to be said for homeworking isn't there YNH ;D
regards,
jet
It will all blow over allways does, something to talk about ;)
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Mary_Morgan on January 30, 2003, 08:10:35 pm
More power to the 4WDs. ;)

In the 60s I can remember getting a bus as far as Potters Bar and then walking to Barnet to get school. That is real dedication ;)

Greetings from a rain soaked (more unusual than snow in BP) part of Arabia.   4WDs are good on oily flooded roads too!! ;D

All the best.

I am really jealous - love the snow.

Mary
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Swan on January 30, 2003, 08:18:42 pm
I'm snowed into work, there are people who have been sitting in their cars on Bessemer RD WGC, without moving for the past 3 hours

Several crashes on A1M

The large cross roads at Bridge street WGC is currently closed by the police

Not looking good out there
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Swan on January 30, 2003, 08:44:17 pm
This really isn't looking good, people are abandoning cars and walking back into work

Just been told a collegue made 1 mile in 3 hrs
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: anna on January 30, 2003, 08:56:02 pm
Swan, I do feel for you. My husband left work at 4pm from Town, and he is still stuck in Hampstead!!  Hope you manage to get home somehow........either that......or you have some whiskey, hot food and blankets at work!!! (will you get overtime?  ;)
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Swan on January 30, 2003, 09:02:13 pm
We have 2 bottles of wine and a big box of salted variety crackers between 14... and people are still walking back into the building

I think we will be walking into town for a curry if this continues (thats if the crackers run out anyway)

No good news on the roads yet anyway
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: anna on January 30, 2003, 09:02:37 pm
Just a thought......As I'm sitting here in comfort at home.....is there anything I can do to be of help to anyone. My road seems pretty quiet.......but are there any other places in need of helpers to clear roads? I'm happy to help if it's needed, but just don't fancy wondering the streets.   Maybe this would be a good time for a forum meet up? We could all meet up on the streets with our spades? :)
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on January 30, 2003, 09:19:53 pm
Anna,
We have just walked round the village and, although we helped push two vehicles which were spinning their wheels (one which then had to turn back), we didn't see any that needed to be dug out, although many people seem to have abandoned their cars.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Astra on January 30, 2003, 09:41:42 pm
Well, greeetings from Welwyn Garden City.

I have just received a call from a colleague who left here at 4pm and at 7.40 had not yet reached the A1M.

At least I am inside and not stuck out in that awful weather.  Mind you, the heating has just gone off in the office.  Abondoned with hypothermia by tomorrow.

The 25 of us that are stuck here are here for a few more hours yet.  I doubt if I will see my home before midnight.

The up side of it is that I work for a food company so at least I have been fed (and very nice it was too)

From what I hear Welwyn, Hatfield, Brookmans Park and Welham Green are virtual no go areas.  Also heard that Kings Cross station has been closed but that is unverified at present.  Welwyn train station is mobbed with people who are trying to make their way home by train leaving their cars at work so not good there.

Further updates from the snow front as information becomes available.

Astra
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: anna on January 30, 2003, 09:46:51 pm
Astra, hope you get home ok eventually.  My husband still isn't home......he left at 4pm.........last I heard he was in Hampstead and that was 2 hours ago........!!

Hope anyone who is stuck at least is warm and fed.......I hear body heat is good, so time to snuggle up, at least it's a way to bond with other work mates!  Amazing though isn't it......one day of snow and we are grid locked!
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Mary_Morgan on January 30, 2003, 09:57:41 pm
Jet says "In the good old days most kids lived within easy walking distance and snow was good "

Jet - be real  ;)- you came to live in a "country village".   In the good old days kids in the country went miles to school.  In the good days - not quite so old - Chancellor's didn't exist - we had to go to Hatfield, Barnet, Welwyn GC, or wherever.   Don't remember never getting to school because of the weather - perhaps a bit late some days - and shucks it always snowed in the Christmas Holidays - or is that rose coloured retrospection. :D

No doubt snow was good.  The walk to Barnet mentioned earlier was fun, with snowball fights etc.  ;D

As for the weather centre/ met office or whatever - I picked up severe storm warning on the web before most people were awake in the UK this morning.

Astra - hope you have a good night camped out in WGC, and that someone knows how to get the heating back on again.

Mary

Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: anna on January 30, 2003, 10:03:25 pm
Must say........I'm not stranded anywhere, so can say we had great fun in the snow. We all got decked out in our hats, gloves and scarfs. We had some great snowball fights, and built a very nice snowman. The kids had glowing cheeks and passes by all stopped and chatted commenting on our snowman and joining in our snowball fight.

Hmm, lights have just started to flicker........does that mean we could be in for a power cut as well?

Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Mary_Morgan on January 30, 2003, 10:07:27 pm
Anna

Now I am really jealous.

Mary
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: jet on January 30, 2003, 10:17:02 pm
Dear Mary,
sometimes I think I am the only "real" one around here.
This is, I am informed an invented comuter village, situated next to The A1000.
It has been bought to a standstill by a combination of road works and incompetant drivers, not by the weather.
In 50 years, I have never witnessed such utter chaos.
This is a prime example of an overloaded infrastructure caused by pople who are daft enough to work miles from home and send their kids to schools out of the area.
By the way the weather was okay and then within minutes a snow storm started.
I have put some snow in the deep freezer for you.
Astra is "trapped" in a food factory, oh well thats the diet gone.
Trapped at home with Eastenders, no way its time for a good walk in it while its there.
As anna says flickering lights, posibly just caused by the illuminations in certain large houses around here, candles for sale , going expensive!
regards,
jet
and the only way of communicating is the web site, the thing that pulls us all together.
Have you noticed council tax rise and Tony sends a "snow" storm to cover it up, spin or what ;)
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: jet on January 30, 2003, 10:26:59 pm
How about a snow ball fight 9pm village green?

Update only I turned up so I win by default.

All roads even hills passable with care,

regards,

jet
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on January 30, 2003, 11:01:19 pm
Governors have decided Chancellor's school will be closed tomorrow because of the snow.  If anyone in authority at Brookmans Park Primary knows the situation there perhaps they would care to post details here so parents know. Lochinver and St Albans boys are also closed.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Swan on January 30, 2003, 11:54:21 pm
Jet

If I could have, I would have mate

;D
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: anna on January 31, 2003, 12:03:21 am
Can I just say a big Congrats to Dave for getting so much information up so quickly. I've been able to warn people of problems on their journey home, and told friends about which schools are closing.......Everyone is very impressed that I know so much from the website.

The website has really shown enormous value tonight!
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: jet on January 31, 2003, 12:07:26 am
as biggest crawler around I second that :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
it would be nice if someone took pity on someone in CA who is without their other half at the moment and sent round some chips and beer whatever ;)

By the way if you get stranded take the advice that an old Eskimo gave me.
If you are hungry you should know,
do not eat the yellow snow :o

Bet M M never had trouble getting to school, in them days it was all horses and carts :P
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Swan on January 31, 2003, 12:09:02 am
Yes very well done

Has anyone noticed how many guests there have been tonight

Hello guests
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Astra on January 31, 2003, 12:56:31 am
I also have to thank everyone who has brightened up a pretty miserable evening.  

Still here in WGC at 10.45.  The roundabout seems to be clearing but waiting for a report from scout party sent out 30 minutes ago to see if worth venturing into the breach.

Well, told them I am not working tomorrow so there.

I like snow that appears on Friday night and disappears by Monday morning.  That is civilised.  The chaos out there is not civilised.

Astra
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Carolyn on January 31, 2003, 01:04:53 am
Just for the record I thought I'd add my experience tonight.  I was warned at 4.30 how bad the snow was here, so I left London (where there was no snow on the ground this time) and got to Potters Bar at 18:00.  I crawled up Darkes lane and by 19:30 had made it to the URC church! Thats about 500m in 1.5 hours!!!  :'( The place was grid-locked.  There was a bus stuck on the corner of Darkes Lane and Chruch Road - only 4wd cars getting past since it was virtually sheet ice - and yes JET there was ice very soon after 6pm.  Finally made it up Moffats, past all the abandoned cars, at 10 past 8 - shaken but very pleased to be home.

Now I need to know should I venture to work tomorrow or not? Since I only get paid if I turn up I guess I will be one of the ones waiting for a train tomorrow - but I'll try BP for a change - and I'll walk to the station of course. Where did I put those 1980's moon boots?
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: James Bentall on January 31, 2003, 01:17:18 am
Had to have a moan sooner or later  ;D

Just (11:15pm) returned from Potters Bar, and there's STILL no sign of a gritter lorry anywhere - the A1000 was still very bad. I'd seen on the forcast that it was gonna snow a lot today - did HCC not realise? Or am I being too simplistic about the whole thing?

However, on the flip side - VERY impressed with people's driving. Haven't seen one maniac going too fast or anything - most people being incredibly careful with their speed. Maybe we could solve BP's speeding problem in one feel swoop by having a permanent snow storm blowing down Bluebridge Road!

Any Scout parents that are reading this - some schools may be shut, but scouts will still be going ahead tomorrow evening...

James
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: jet on January 31, 2003, 01:20:56 am
oh well no school tommorrow so I suppose that means screaming kids all day grrrrrrrrrr >:( >:( >:(
am I a selfish misery or what ;D
By the way all have a go at jet its obviously all his fault, usually is ;)
I'm off to build an ethnic snow person :) :) :)
regards and goodnight,
jet
Astra I am locking up at midnight!!
James every 4WD I saw tonight on my stroll  was as close as possible to the normal car infront, of course all driving slowly
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: anna on January 31, 2003, 01:24:14 am
Carolyn. My husband's story is very similar. I warned him about the snow at 3pm, but he said there was no snow in London and I think he thought I was being a bit melodramatic. But he left work at 4pm, and still isn't home......last I heard he was in Whetstone.

Astra, it will be one of those days you remember......."The great Blizzard of 2003" But there is always some good that comes out of these things.......my phone has been red hot, everyone ringing and checking up on each other, keeping each other going on journey's home. And for once the drivers with 4wd can hold their heads up high!!! :)
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Swan on January 31, 2003, 01:30:11 am
Umm.. Anna

As I look out the office windows, I can see as many 4WDs abandoned as 2WDs

In fact at one point I helped push one up on the kerb that was blocking the road

It is still bad here but its starting to flow
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: anna on January 31, 2003, 01:35:26 am
ahh Swan my glory was short lived then! :)  

Poor you......I'm still chatting to loads of my friends trying to get home, and my husband of course.......its madness.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Swan on January 31, 2003, 01:44:39 am
Well I've decided to venture out and make an escape bid, don't want to get snowed in for the weekend,

Hope everyones, everyone gets home safe
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: anna on January 31, 2003, 01:51:15 am
I'm signing off now everyone. Hope every one gets home ok.  I think we should all meet up tomorrow for a massive snow ball fight.........I'd suggest walking to the village though!
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Astra on January 31, 2003, 01:59:03 am
Midnight, still in WGC.

Have decided to wait with some other colleagues and brave it in about an hour when hopefully most of the traffic will have cleared.

They have turned the heating on but we are getting a bit worried about the last one of our drivers who has been on the road since this morning and is usually back by 4pm.  Apparently he is stuck on the M10.  Oh well.

Time for another cuppa.

Astra
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: anna on January 31, 2003, 03:28:37 pm
where can I buy a sledge?? kids are nagging.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Astra on January 31, 2003, 03:50:56 pm
Good Morning world - sorry, good afternoon.

Finally made it home after 3am this morning.

As I am not long out of my warm bed, I will not bore you with tales of last night (unless you really want me to).  I have already typed out a long post on the subject only to have the cat walk across the keyboard and stand on the escape key so I lost the lot.

Suffice it to say that the majority of the problems yesterday were caused by human stupidity.  If everyone had just not panicked when they saw the snow and left in a steady stream instead of all trying to beat the weather and getting nowhere maybe there would not have been so many gridlocked areas.  The roads would have been hard pressed to cope with that volume of traffic on a normal day let alone in bad weather.  I was quite prepared to wait until I could get myself home safely without having to stop. I did not relish the idea of damaging my car or sliding and hitting someone else apart from the damage I could have done to the engine etc sitting for hours with the engine running going nowhere.  I still cannot believe that there was stationary traffic in the A414 heading for Tescos when I went passed at 2.50am

And by the way, all you wallies who were sat in your cars for hours complaining about the gritting lorries, how do the gritters get to the roads they are going to grit????  By road - roads that were full up with you all complaining about them not doing their job.  If you all hadn't rushed off blindly causing traffic holdups maybe the gritters could have got through.

I hope all of you who were stuck in that mess made it home safe and sound as I did (albeit a wee bit later than originally expected).

Lets hope this is a one off.  As I said before, I like snow that arrives on Friday night and is gone by Monday morning.  Now that is civilised.

Thank you all for your company last night.  It was a boost to know that you were all out there rooting for us.  Thanks once again.

Astra
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: James Bentall on January 31, 2003, 04:16:16 pm
Quote
where can I buy a sledge?? kids are nagging.


Have you tried Bryan? I know he sells them, not sure if he'll have any left though...

James
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: anna on January 31, 2003, 04:41:23 pm
thanks James, I did try but he was closed.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: John_fraser on January 31, 2003, 04:55:26 pm
Right now I’m stuck in a Manhattan skyscraper, sorry that I’ve missed the fun and hopping it will last until I get home. I don’t mean to belittle the journeys home, but I’d love to be having snowball fights and sleigh rides with my kids over in Gobins.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: James Bentall on January 31, 2003, 06:04:32 pm
Er.. John if it lasts until you try to get home, chances are the airport will be closed so you won't able to!  ;D
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Aloo on January 31, 2003, 07:31:02 pm
With the exception of the village, the main roads going west from BP to Hemel were clear up to an hour ago, (Welham Green, Colney Heath. A414, M10 -  The M1 going north from jnt 8 looked bad though.)

A far cry from last night; my usual 30 minute drive from Hemel took three hours - still the opportunity to have snowball fights and sleigh rides this morning in Gobions made up for it all.   For a while it was very peaceful with no speeding cars, just people walking and enjoying the snow.

Time to leave work now, hope the roads are still clear!!

Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: jet on January 31, 2003, 09:36:41 pm
Dear all,
well it seems that all is now okay, but we fortunate that no one died in their cars from exposure.
My post yesterday seemed harsh but now it is all coming out.
The councils are cost cutting due to the financial restrictions imposed by central government and of course central government now blames the councils and threaten draconian laws regarding gritting etc.
On a lighter note, JF is perusing the Manhatten skyline, we will see him posing in a balloon next :) :) :)
Sledges, well an old tea tray or peice of wood, skips full of em around here ;) ;)
Lets hope the snow is just fun from now on and no tragedies ocour,
regards,
jet

At the risk of sounding a complete toady, the eds articles and photos are a real treasure for the future, great to see it captured for posterity.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Mooniemad on January 31, 2003, 09:44:13 pm
Anna I have found out that the Recycling boxes and the lids make great sleighs.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: jet on January 31, 2003, 11:30:10 pm
Dear all,
regular readers will know that the writer is rarely opinionated, however having just returned from my stroll I would say that the conditions under foot and tyre are worse than yesterday. :o
Do not be fooled in the morning, be very carefull.
regards,
jet
by the way did anyone know that "captain" darling was in charge of transport before yesterday, heads will roll but it won't be his, as he is only responsible. >:(
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Margaret on February 01, 2003, 01:29:38 am
Glad to hear that you all eventually got home all right. My husband had to pick his car up from a garage in Finchley at five o'clock and got home at ten. My neighbours daughter took eight hours to get home from Welwyn Garden City. Just for a change my eldest daughter was only 1 1/2 hours late coming home by train but decided not to go to work today. My son camped out at a friends in Hatfield as I refused to leave the house! My other daughter is stranded in Norfolk, don't know when we will see her again! :-[ :-[ :-[. Went for a lovely walk with the camera this morning over Gobions, it was really lovely, and it was great seeing all the children playing in the snow. Reminded me of my youth. As to the remarks made about Jet not having to go far to school as he lived in town, I to am a towny and lived on a main road on a bus route but I always walked the half hour to school no matter what the weather and was never ever taken by car or bus, I also walked home at lunch time had dinner then walked back again. Then when I had walked home after school I took the dog to the park which was (you guessed it) next to my school!
Ah the joys of childhood. As lovely as the snow is I shall be quite glad if it has gone tomorrow, but then it will probably start raining again.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: jet on February 01, 2003, 02:10:41 am
Dear Margaret,
Not that it matters but I had a 45 min walk to school.
Anyone who came by car was a wuss and there was only one of them.
1 lad came by horse and tied it to the railings, this is true!!! it is in FR but I am not revealing any more.
Those were the days, cold wet and 'orrible never to be repeated, but it made us what we are today, arthritic and bronichal.
regards,
jet
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: anna on February 01, 2003, 05:02:30 am
Sorry, but just had to add something here.......The schools were not closed because of children walking to school, it was because of lack of staff being able to make it in!  I too walked to school when I was younger......but come on, lets stop living in the past, times have changed. My parents lived on rations when they were young, but I wouldn't fancy going back to that either....Some things get better, some get worse.....but either way, things change and will continue to do so.

Back to the snow chaos.......my husband finally got in at 2am after being on the road 9 hours!!! Thank god that most people got home okay in the end, and were able to enjoy the snow today, as it's the weekend, I'm rather hoping it will last another day or so.....going round to see the in-laws tomorrow, and quite fancy a snow ball fight with them ;)


Still something has to be learnt from all this. Why was the country thrown into chaos from one day's snow. Why weren't the gritter trucks and snow ploughs out much earlier. Why weren't police out helping with traffic problems. Why were kids left at schools wondering where their buses and coaches were? I'm amazed at how many cars were left abandoned in the street, no lights, no Triangle......Today most of the tube lines are still not working, trains are running slow.  We have a weather centre, why can't they predict this and act before the chaos sets in.  

We never learn in this country, any extreme and we go to pot. Its snow, other countries seem to cope, so why can't we? I remember the weather report last weekend saying the weather would turn on Wednesday........

Anyway moan over........the pictures on the site look great Dave, very beautiful.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: jet on February 01, 2003, 01:30:04 pm
Well its all to do with common sense enit, even the few teachers who had cars in my school days lived quite locally.
Snow, everyone just got on with it and I do not remember such chaos as happened this week, it is all political and we suffer as pawns.
If people worked and lived in reasonable proximity it would help, is there any real reason why in particular computer based staff cannot work from home, lots of companies do it.
In the 22 years i have worked from home, even visiting clients etc I have saved over 100K miles travelling. Thats a whole cars worth or perhaps 30K which I have spent enhancing my lifestyle. Now thats real recycling before it happens.
With web cams and drawing/document transfer even meetings and surveys should become things of the past, the technology is here but people prefer long pointless hours pretending to be busy.
Whats it all got to do with snow, think about it! without all the aggro of the last few days perhaps we could have spent that time having fun and realising the leisure age we were promised in the 60s.
regards,
jet
progress/snowgress,
oops halo slipped ;)
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: James Bentall on February 01, 2003, 02:41:44 pm
Quote
Well its all to do with common sense enit, even the few teachers who had cars in my school days lived quite locally.


... but then I guess they could afford to buy houses locally, which is a bit more difficult if you're a teacher at Brookmans Park Junior School!

James
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: jet on February 01, 2003, 09:44:37 pm
Please note that at the moment the pavements are at their slipperiest and that there is a lot of black ice on B. ave. and Moffats, it cannot be seen :o
regards,
jet
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Astra on February 03, 2003, 07:09:02 pm
I would like to contact the driver of 'W' reg CRV who gave mother and baby a lift on Thursday to Potters Bar in order to say thanks.  If anyone knows this person or if you are a user on this site, please contact me.

Thanks

Astra
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Aloo on February 04, 2003, 02:36:52 pm
Lots of snow flakes in Hemel but only just started to settle.    What are things like in BP?  Has anyone seen a gritter?  
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Swan on February 04, 2003, 02:46:26 pm
Sigh.... Its settling in WGC
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: James Bentall on February 04, 2003, 03:09:51 pm
I (and I'm sure others) would really appreciate it if people living locally could keep us up to date with conditions near the village - we haven't had a flake land here (near Victoria station) yet, but would like to know if I need to be hurrying home from work or not!

James
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: anna on February 04, 2003, 03:13:46 pm
I was just looking out the window trying to decide whether I should ring my husband who works in london and tell him to go home.

Snow is falling here in BP but doesn't seem to be settling yet.  

Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Aloo on February 04, 2003, 03:21:31 pm
Sun is out , blue sky, snow has melted in industrial  Hemel.   Panic over.    Famous last words....
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: sasquartch on February 04, 2003, 04:06:32 pm
Blue sky and no snow in London W2 ! (14:00)
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Swan on February 04, 2003, 04:12:24 pm
No blue skies, but the little bit of snow that settled appears to have melted away in WGC

Still grey and heavy clouds, but no more snow falling at the moment
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: jet on February 04, 2003, 04:56:35 pm
At the risk of sounding ott, there were severe winds and a blizzard at 2K ft over Essex at oneish when some idjit decided to have his bi annuall flight test, and is still shaking............
regards,
jet
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Reginald on February 04, 2003, 06:17:42 pm
Snowed, settled , now melted in Ware. Just as well, 5h 35m journey homelast Thursday!!!
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: rognjac on February 06, 2003, 10:56:17 am
I read lots of criticisms of the various highway authorities "failing to cope" with last week's snowfall, so I felt I needed to put in my tuppence worth (that dates me for a start).

Personally I noted gritters out pre-salting early in the day on Thursday. However, the roads in the south-east are normally running at such near maximum capacity level, that it only takes something out of the ordinary, such as some large snowflakes,  for the average driver, not used to driving in snow, to dramatically reduce speed, with the consequence that gridlock soon occurs, and the gritters are unable to continue with their work.

Salt needs to be worked into the snow by the passage of traffic for it to work, so stationary traffic will not effect this, despite the pre-salting.

People also say that other countries carry on during heavy snow. Well, other countries, such on mainland Europe have "climate", with regular deposits of heavy snow. Here we have "weather", much more unpredictable. Cash strapped highway authorities here
are going to be much more reluctant to invest in equipment to deal with a one in fifteen year occurence. In the same way, what English driver has a set of winter or studded tyres stored away for snow conditions? This is common practice in, say, Germany, where, incidentally, snow clearance takes place on the autobahns - the other roads tend to be left uncleared much longer than we would tolerate - but the average driver is both equipped for, and used to, heavy snow.

So the picture is not quite as some would have it - yet another example of the blame culture springing into action at the drop of a hat (or snowflake?).

Roger
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: John_fraser on February 07, 2003, 03:44:15 pm
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I’m ... sorry that I’ve missed the fun and hopping it will last until I get home.



Watch out what you wish for...

I fly out tonight, there's 6" of snow comming down and the planes are starting to back up. I may get all the fun in the snow I wished for :'(
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Margaret on February 10, 2003, 03:14:04 pm
Somewhat surprised at Anna's remark about "times have changed lets stop living in the past. I wasn't aware that we were. Just think it's a pity that sometimes things change for the worse and nobody seems to have the sense to change back because "times have changed". Or the "old" adage if it ain't broke don't fix it. I always thought the joy of living in a village was that you "lived" there not just slept there. Spending time in a car for large chunks of the day is not living. Walk and commune with nature and your neighbours.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: anna on February 10, 2003, 03:54:15 pm
Margaret, I am saying that sadly some things do have to change!!! When I was young I walked home from primary school, by myself from age 8. There is no way on earth I'd let my kids do that.  I have to get my kids to three different places in the morning, there is no way I could walk to them all, as they are all in different directions.  Some of us have no choice, we have to use the car.  If my children were at secondary school, (presuming they got into a local one!!!) I would of course let them walk.  

When I was younger, I used to go home, make myself a snack and keep myself amused till my elder brothers got home.......that now is against the law to be home alone at that age.........so things change, whether we like it or not. Perhaps if schools ran from age 3 - 18 and we had school buses.......then we would all be able to spend a little less time in the car.

At the moment, I never have more that 2 hours at home because of nursery pick ups at 11.30, and 12 and then school at 3.15, not to mention after school activities.......

I agree Margaret its a shame, but a lot has changed. I didn't say its all good, there are some things we can fight and others we have to accept, or do something about it......like I have. I'm making a major move to Spain because I want more quality time with my family....My kids will all be in one place, they don't have silly lunch time pick ups.......they let the young kids have a nap and play at school and then you can pick them up at the same time as the older ones.  I'll be able to spend a lot more time enjoying nature and the sunshine, longs walks along the beach, daily dips in the pool with the kids.....etc :)


Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Margaret on February 13, 2003, 10:15:26 am
Anna, I too have three children with eight years between the youngest and oldest so I too had my children at three different schools, and it is obvious that you cannot walk all three at the same time but you don't have to drive them all. I hope you find what you are looking for in Spain and I wish you and your family the best of luck and happiness.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on January 28, 2004, 07:57:25 pm
Driving home could be slow tonight.

Several people abandoned their cars as heavy snow brought traffic to a standstill in places.

This at the corner of Moffats and Bluebridge Road in Brookmans Park at 5.15pm.

(http://www.brookmans.com/news/january04/snow2.jpg)

Next year's Christmas card for Neville.  :)

(http://www.brookmans.com/news/january04/neville.jpg)
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Neville Hobbs on January 28, 2004, 08:10:07 pm
Fantastic shot - thanks! (i am still here pondering about my journey)
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: anna on January 28, 2004, 08:33:33 pm
What a terrible shame I'm missing it all............poor me has to make do with 70 degrees and heated swimming pools...... what a hard life.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: jet on January 28, 2004, 09:02:58 pm
Au contraire Anna,
It is in fact delightfull, most stimulating and exilarating.
The white background punctuated by the dark forms of 4WDs "pushing" lesser cars to go faster.
Who wants to languish in a tepid pool followed by a log fire when one can experience the winter wonderland of Brooky. :)
Now how can I get snowed into the BPH ;)
regards,
jet
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: John_fraser on January 28, 2004, 09:16:41 pm
Just been out throwing snowballs at my kids. I'm glad I didn't miss all the fun this time.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: supersonic on January 28, 2004, 09:30:10 pm
Driving down Swanland Road heading home from work in Welham Green at about 5.00pm I saw a gritter lorry with snow plough attached - yippeeee :D. ----  Sadly it was going north towards Dixons Hill Road - and I was heading south towards Bignalls Corner :(

Driving conditions were horrrrrrid. Blizard like and almost total white out. Took 45 mins in slow single file traffic to get down the A1 to Apex corner, and 2 hours 10 mins to get home to Harrow >:(.   Better than the 6 and half hours it took me on that memorable night about a year ago though ??????

Keep warm and cozy everyone!!!!

supersonic
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Alfred the Great on January 28, 2004, 11:30:17 pm
Tee hee, I read on the BBC news that WAGN trains are suffering delays and cancellations - so what's new?

ATG
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Largey on January 28, 2004, 11:44:38 pm
Hats of to Hats....

I think the gritting lorries worked very hard and did an excellent job today ..... Well done to them.. :D

Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: AgentOrange on January 28, 2004, 11:53:18 pm
I think we will only see the quality of the job done by the gritters in the morning after tonights hard frost!
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: trinity on January 29, 2004, 02:11:10 am
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Just been out throwing snowballs at my kids. I'm glad I didn't miss all the fun this time.


I went out with the eldest after dinner. We went along the railway path and he threw snowballs at me all the way. Going home I did roll him down the slope by the steps down to the car park - which was very popular.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: trinity on January 29, 2004, 02:15:10 am
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Driving conditions were horrrrrrid. Blizard like and almost total white out.


I'm (temporarily) working in Richmond, and left at 1600 because the wife and I were supposed to be going to Southgate. Everything seemed "normal" whent he District line train went subsurface. But when I emerged at Finsbury Park it was windy, snowy with a 1" covering.

Fortunately, WAGN managed to get me back to BP only about 10 minutes late.

Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on January 29, 2004, 09:00:57 am
Brookmans Park Primary is closed today because of snow according to headteacher Lesley Stevens who phoned this site to ask for the information to be passed on.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: NZer on January 29, 2004, 09:39:52 am
Is the picture on the article about the snow taken looking along Moffats Lane at the top?  When the curser goes across the picture, it says Brookmans Ave, but I can't place the view there.
I shouldn't tell you - but - its a very warm fine day here in NZ !! :)
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on January 29, 2004, 09:45:50 am
Oops, sorry, wrong ALT tag. It's been changed. (that picture is from last year) fresh ones to be added later.
:)
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: NZer on January 29, 2004, 09:51:30 am
Its great to see the pictures - it was a real thrill to look at them last year and see my parents house in the snow!  It makes England seem just that much closer to NZ - the internet really is great!
Thanks
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: me on January 29, 2004, 10:19:26 am
Does anyone know anything about Chancellors School yet? ???
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on January 29, 2004, 10:23:26 am
Our children have gone to Chancellor's Schoo today in a grump because they were looking forward to a 'snow day' off.

I phoned the school at 7am and spoke to the caretaker who said that the school would be open if he could make it in.

The only school to contact this site to confirm they are closed is Brookmans Park Primary. Headteacher Lesley Stevens called at 7am to ask for the details to be made public. The reason is that not all staff members are able to reach school.

We are only posting about school closures when they are confirmed by the schools themselves.

Calls are in to Lochinver and Chancellor's.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on January 29, 2004, 10:32:29 am
My son has just phoned from Chancellor's School to say that he and his friends have been told they can go home because of the snow if they can contact a parent to confirm this is ok.

I am still trying to find confirmation of this from the school, so this is not official yet.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Pete on January 29, 2004, 10:47:05 am
According to three counties radio website, all Herts Schools are being advised to close on the advice of the Chief Constable.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on January 29, 2004, 10:55:13 am
Note to all parents

Could all parents with children at local schools please encourage those schools to select someone with the responsibility to post to this site's forum in the event of school closures.

It would need to be someone in an official position who could give reliable information for the benefit of all parents using this site.

This site will give each school a log on name and a password known only to that person.

Thanks

David Brewer
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on January 29, 2004, 10:57:19 am
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According to three counties radio website, all Herts Schools are being advised to close on the advice of the Chief Constable.


Thanks Pete,

Here is the latest list of school closures from the BBC

http://www.bbc.co.uk/threecounties/emergency/snow_hertfordshire.shtml

Clearly that list is incomplete because it doesn't include Brookmans Park Primary, which we know is closed.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on January 29, 2004, 11:01:47 am
Chancellor's School has just confirmed that the school is closed today. The office staff say it was open, but is now closed.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: jet on January 29, 2004, 12:08:42 pm
How this country ever won two World Wars is a mystery?
We have instant communications, three days notice, and still no one knows what is happening.
What a let down for the parents who put in the effort to ensure their children got to school only to have to collect them.
I wonder if there will be fines and appeals for non attendance.
In the 50s we just put our wellies on and got on with it, surely with all these 4Wds there is no travel problem?
regards,
jet
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Largey on January 29, 2004, 12:31:38 pm
Thanks for being there Dave,
You have saved a lot of people the trouble of trying to get to school this morning.
During this year, BP School will have its own notification service for events like this but in the meantime its nice to have you around to help.

Once again thanks for being there for all of us,

Paul
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on January 29, 2004, 12:36:06 pm
A pleasure Paul.

All we really need is a thread in the forum and every school to register and post to it when there are problems.

That way the information is published immediately by those in authority to deliver it. That would be especially useful if I am away and unable to update.

I think it is up to the parents to encourage their schools to do this. We need official confirmation at times like these.

Interesting to note that at one point this morning there were 54 guests and seven users on the site -- I presume they were all looking for information about school closures.

If the schools posted to the forum I am sure word would get around quickly.

I've just taken 30 pictures which I will put up in a photo gallery as soon as I can.

Cheers

Dave
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on January 29, 2004, 12:49:29 pm
According to the BBC, Chancellor's year 7 parents' evening evening is off tonight.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/threecounties/emergency/snow_hertfordshire.shtml
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: jet on January 29, 2004, 01:03:57 pm
As usual, this site together with Davids personal efforts triumphs over all else.
Well done for such a fine free community service.
Why do we need the BBC when we have BPN.
regards,
jet
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on January 29, 2004, 01:42:24 pm
A snow photo gallery has been added particularly for those ex-pat pals who are having fun in the sun.  

8)

Click here for 50 pictures of the snow day (http://brookmans.fotopic.net/)

:)
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Carolyn on January 29, 2004, 02:08:25 pm
Another wonderful set of photos.  

I hope that one year it snows at the weekend so I can enjoy it too.  As last year, I have manged to get into London with almost no delay.  I must be the only one wishing the trains were worse so that I could justify staying at home to play in the snow with my son. ;)
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: James Bentall on January 29, 2004, 02:22:23 pm
Same here - managed to get to work only about 20 mins delay - credit to WAGN for managing things MUCH better than last year.

Must be about the only teacher who lives in Hertfordshire who's at work today though  :'(
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: anna on January 29, 2004, 02:30:29 pm
Really enjoyed looking at the photo's. Did bring back happy memories of building a snowman last year but thankfully we have the best of both worlds here and have Sierra Nevada ski resort just a 2 hour drive away, so we do have the best of both worlds.

Anyway, enjoy you're day off for those that have one, perhaps you should run a BP snowman competition!
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on January 29, 2004, 04:18:03 pm
We sent the BBC details of the photo gallery and BBC Beds, Herts, and Bucks has selected seven of the snaps for its photo gallery.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/threecounties/weather/snow_pictures_2004.shtml

Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: John_fraser on January 29, 2004, 07:10:04 pm
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As usual, this site together with Davids personal efforts triumphs over all else.
Well done for such a fine free community service.

Seconded. Many thanks to yourself for this site. And also thanks to Brookmans Park School’s Head. Because the decision to shut the school was taken early enough and published here I was able to take the day off and have a great time with my kids over Gobions.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on February 26, 2004, 04:52:22 pm
Coming soon -- Brookmans Park's very own webcam. We are currently testing it, but it will look something like the image in the picture below. The webcam will be live, but the image will only update every two minutes. This is to save bandwidth and cost. We will post when it is live, but here is a taster, although the real image will be bigger than the picture below. The image was taken at 14:45 on Thursday 26 February 2004.

(http://www.brookmans.com/news/february04/webcambig.jpg)
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: shads on February 26, 2004, 05:07:36 pm
Can you aim it to focus inside the brooky so we can see who's in their before we go down for a pint ;D
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Alfred the Great on February 26, 2004, 11:15:56 pm
Looks fun, we can now see whether or not there will be any parking spaces before venturing forth.

Nice cloudscape.

ATG
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: boyo on February 26, 2004, 11:50:54 pm
great...will have to ask the hotel to leave the curtains open, next time a game is being shown
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: jet on February 27, 2004, 12:44:58 am
Oh great Big Brother in BP, nice idea but I don't like being spied on, whatever the motive.
Doing Blairs job for him.
I'm starting a poll, so there.
regards,
jet
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on February 27, 2004, 01:46:17 pm
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whatever the motive.

The motive is simply to offer another feature on the site jet.  :) It was thought that it might be enjoyed by people who log on to this site from outside the area, particularly those living overseas.

The legal aspects have been checked with The Information Commissioner (http://www.informationcommissioner.gov.uk/) and the local police. The camera would not store images, it would not be able to pan or zoom in on people, and the image is delivered in low quality on purpose to avoid recognition of individuals or number plates etc.

The idea came about because many sites do have webcams and it seemed reasonable to offer a shot across the village green to our growing online community.

If anyone who has voted against the webcam wants to e-mail me, or any other member of the team using the e-mail feedback form (http://www.brookmans.com/contact.php) we will attempt to address any concerns you have.

:)
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Neville Hobbs on February 27, 2004, 06:23:03 pm
Excellent! I can keep an eye on my office when I am at home.
By drawing a transit line from my office front door across the  top of the sign, I should have been able to see the camera but the curtains were shut!Or is the camera very, very small?
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Mary_Morgan on February 27, 2004, 07:17:59 pm
I think it is brilliant.    Looking forward to seeing the next snowfall in BP and the bunting up for Village Day, and some Christmas decorations when the time comes.  

As ATG said, those are some great clouds.

Mary  
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: jet on February 27, 2004, 08:37:42 pm
Are some people so humourless that they cannot see the spoof aspect of my post.
The post was done to generate interest, as explained privately to the person concerned.
BP is getting very serious folks.
regards,
jet
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: jet on February 27, 2004, 08:55:45 pm
By the way, the ability to log on and see what the weather is like in BP is an inovation. There are few web cams around the country.
If you look at the BBC weather web cams, make sure you are looking at the right time of day/year.
I once accessed the one in the Arctic and though my computer had packed up. I forgot it was totally dark for half of the year :)
regards,
jet
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on February 27, 2004, 08:59:47 pm
Dear jet,

It's not about getting serious, it's about trying to address genuine concerns.

Because I didn't know it was a spoof I then spent a fair amount of time thinking through a course of action aimed at trying to deal with any civil liberty concerns people might have had. I take these issues very seriously. I had already spent time checking out the legal aspects with the Information Commissioner, the Home Office, and Hertfordshire Police to ensure that we were not breaking the law or raising any civil liberty issues.

I am still keen to hear from whoever else voted against the idea of the webcam so we can try to accommodate their concerns too.

Do you want me to lock and archive the poll now we know it is a spoof?

You can be in charge of April 1st posts from now on and honorary moderator for the day.  

;)
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: jet on February 27, 2004, 09:07:30 pm
Well the good news is that its been thouroughly checked out, which needed to be done.
regards,
jet
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: supersonic on February 27, 2004, 10:39:09 pm
jet, have to say that I too thought you were serious and saw no element of spoof in the way you wrote your post. In my short time as a participant/contributor here I've seen you place several tounge-in-cheek posts, but I didn't pick up that this one of those.

Sometimes lauguage lets us down and just doesn't express what we mean it to say :)


supersonic
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on February 27, 2004, 10:53:35 pm
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Well the good news is that its been thouroughly checked out, which needed to be done.
regards,
jet


Jet, it wasn't checked out because of your post. That had already been done over the past six months in detailed calls and e-mails with the Home Office, the Information Commissioner, and Hertfordshire Police. Please read again what I wrote.

Quote
Because I didn't know it was a spoof I then spent a fair amount of time thinking through a course of action aimed at trying to deal with any civil liberty concerns people might have had.


Please don't think the spoof played any part in having this checked out.

Perhaps it is time to draw a line under this. It was clearly meant as a bit of fun. No hard feelings, but let's keep spoofs to a minimum, they wear me out.

;)

Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: jet on February 28, 2004, 12:00:50 am
I appologise without reservation to anyone who was offended by my posting whatsoever.
I stand by my original intent to post an opinion on a subject which I felt had a personal relevance.
The intent was not to cause damage or hassle to anyone.
regards,
jet
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: John_fraser on February 28, 2004, 12:38:23 am
I think it's a great idea.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on February 28, 2004, 09:47:36 pm
I think I need to apologise to jet. He is always gracious in follow-up debate. I tend to come across as abrupt. It is not meant. Text can sometimes be so inadequate for displaying real meaning. This forum is valuable in as much as it accommodates many opinions which, in turn, help explore many view points.

For anyone interested, here is what I understand to be the legal position regarding the Webcam. Much of the following is taken from the site of the Information Commissioner.

Webcams come under CCTV (Closed Circuit Television) activities and have previously been covered by the DPA (Data Protection Act). However, the recent court case (Durant-v- Financial Services Authority) resulted in a revision of the guidelines. The court decided that for information to relate to an individual, it had to affect their privacy. To help judge this, the court decided that two matters were important:

The Information Commissioner has since advised (http://www.informationcommissioner.gov.uk/eventual.aspx?id=5739) that for those operating CCTV the test as to whether the activity is covered by the DPA is if the answer is ‘no’ to all the following three questions.

General scenes, focusing on neither a particular individual nor being used to learn information about individuals, are allowed. Users of basic systems meeting the criteria above do not need a licence, do not need to erect signs, and do not come under the DPA.

Note: Even before the revision, the CCTV Code of Practice, issued in March 2001, had the following exemption for the use of  CCTV (including Webcams) on page six. “It is not intended that the contents of this code should apply to: Use of cameras and similar equipment for the broadcast media for the purposes of journalism, or for artistic or literary purposes.”

Interestingly, the case  (Durant-v- Financial Services Authority heard by the Court of Appeal) (http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:bclXw03xOlEJ:www.informationcommissioner.gov.uk/cms/DocumentUploads/Durant%2520v%2520FSA%2520Case%2520Summary.pdf+Durant-v-+Financial+Services+Authority&hl=en&ie=UTF-8) doesn’t seem to mention CCTVs or Webcams (as far as I can make out), but is about stored personal data, access to that personal data, and how that personal data it is used.

jet, please continue to help keep the site on its toes, and I will try to use more smileys in my posts.

;D
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Alfred the Great on February 28, 2004, 09:59:13 pm
Whoa, Dave, you don't need to flagellate yourself, its, its, its, .......its (as Roger Cook would say) undignified for a chap of your towering status to wear a hair shirt. But interesting to know the legal background.

ATG
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: trinity on February 28, 2004, 10:08:30 pm
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I think it's a great idea.


Agreed. The resolution would appear to be fine for providing a decent
picture of the green, whilst preserving bandwidth and so on.

I can't see any privacy or DP issues in the image.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on February 29, 2004, 10:52:05 am
Thought our ex-pat pals might like to see Brookmans Park Village from the webcam test feed as heavy snow falls at 08.45 on Sunday 29 February.

(http://www.brookmans.com/news/february04/webcamtest.jpg)
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Mary_Morgan on February 29, 2004, 02:54:06 pm
Dave

Many thanks for the snowy picture.    Must admit I do like snow and miss  it  :( - but not enough to come back.    8)

Regards
Mary

PS Did you see on the Beeb News that a village near Gatwick has complained about the ground facing cameras that Emirates Airlines use.


Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on February 29, 2004, 02:59:36 pm
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Did you see on the Beeb News that a village near Gatwick has complained about the ground facing cameras that Emirates Airlines use.

Those ground facing cameras on Emirates don't do the nerves any good. When I used to fly to Dubai I used to watch the nose camera view as the plane landed - scary.

Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: MC on February 29, 2004, 05:33:20 pm
Great idea !!

That snow looks a bit rough though.

Mark
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: trinity on February 29, 2004, 06:42:56 pm
Quote

That snow looks a bit rough though.


It was sudden, but not any problem. We went up to North Mymms church for a wander (and I got pelted all the way round by #1 son).

I wonder, though, if there is any significance in this second demonstration image being half the size of the first ?
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: catbirder on February 29, 2004, 07:31:52 pm
I think it's a very exciting idea, and perhaps it could be added to the list of sites on www.ukwebcameras.co.uk

Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on February 29, 2004, 08:22:23 pm
Quote
I wonder, though, if there is any significance in this second demonstration image being half the size of the first ?


Hi Trinity, the only reason for it being smaller is that the image didn't look very good any bigger, probably because of the amount of snow falling. The image looked clearer when it was shrunk down to 320 pixels.

David
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: jet on February 29, 2004, 09:08:22 pm
Err Arrr ( yokel accent) To an old dinosaur like me, pixels are the things at the bottom of the garden, after a beer.
:D :D :D :D :D
regards,
jet
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: supersonic on February 29, 2004, 09:17:04 pm
Hi jet, good to see you back in good humour:)
supersonic
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: jet on February 29, 2004, 10:22:52 pm
Have I been somewhere? must be lapsing ;)
I am always in good humour and am never truckulent unless driving a lorry 8)
regards,
jet
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Neville Hobbs on March 11, 2004, 05:56:10 pm
Any further news on the web cam? I am looking forward to it being up and running so I can keep an eye on the offive from home.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: James Bentall on March 12, 2004, 01:03:14 pm
We're having a few 'picture quality' issues. It's fine during the day time, but after night time it looks completely rubbish. I've obtained another webcam which I intent to set up and test this weekend to see if it's any better, then we'll make a decision and hopefully go live some time next week.

James
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Aidan Winwood on March 12, 2004, 07:54:36 pm
sorry if this is extremely stupid, but where is the web cam on the site?
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on March 12, 2004, 07:58:00 pm
It's not live yet Aidan. We are still testing it and it's not quite good enough to go live. James is on the case. He will let us know when it is good enough and we will put a link on the front page of the site and make sure everyone knows about it.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Aidan Winwood on March 15, 2004, 11:36:29 am
ah - so I'm just stupid, not blind - I feel better about this!

Aidan
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: James Bentall on March 31, 2004, 10:54:44 pm
I've given up trying to make the wretched thing work at night time, but it will be live during the daytime, and will go live on the site tomorrow morning (Thurs - April 1st unfortunately, but it will be, honest  ;D)
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on April 01, 2004, 01:40:20 am
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it will be live during the daytime, and will go live on the site tomorrow morning (Thurs - April 1st unfortunately, but it will be, honest  ;D)


Are you sure James?  I bet if I put up a link to the camera first thing tomorrow, people will be reluctant to click on it because it is April the first! According to the calculations it should appear on the site about 06.30 tomorrow just as the sun starts to rise?

;)   ;D
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on April 01, 2004, 09:39:37 am
The webcam went live at 06.37 this morning.

Click here to view it. (http://www.brookmans.com/webcam.php)

Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: steve on April 01, 2004, 01:34:57 pm
neville

are you at work?
if you are come outside and wave to the whole of brookmans park!!

steve
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Mary_Morgan on April 01, 2004, 04:01:48 pm
I think it is great. Thanks.

Not a 4x4 in sight (except that the cars by the chemist are too far away to be able to tell) when I looked at it.

Mary
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: AgentOrange on April 01, 2004, 04:06:50 pm
So what about 4X4s? Sounds like an outbreak of chips to me! Don't you know, we are all in are villas in Spain or France?
Enjoy the parking WHILE YOU CAN! ;)
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Birch on April 01, 2004, 04:28:26 pm
What a great idea.  Has anyone thought about suggesting surveillance cameras in BP and WG to check on anti-social behaviour to the council or police?
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Mooniemad on April 01, 2004, 09:56:44 pm
Webcam looks good. Just took a look at the webcam today at 18:45 and there was 3 4x4 in the village centre, but no people.

By the way its great for a game of eye spy and spot the difference when your bored. Anyone want to play? ;)
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: steve on April 01, 2004, 11:12:34 pm
try pressing your refresh key continuously and watch people walk across the green. work out who leaves their car parked for the longest. god i must be bored!!!!!
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on April 01, 2004, 11:29:11 pm
The webcam will automatically fire up again at approximately 6.38 tomorrow morning.

:)
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Mary_Morgan on April 02, 2004, 09:51:13 am
It appears to be raining this morning :(

Just off to the beach for the day 8)

Best wishes
Mary
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: catbirder on April 03, 2004, 10:35:23 pm
Well done, Ed!!!!

Viewing at 19.33, BP looks very exciting with lights coming on.  Quite the rural hot spot!
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: MC on April 04, 2004, 05:42:37 pm
Any chance of getting a real-time live feed?

Mark
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: James Bentall on April 04, 2004, 07:42:23 pm
Quick and simple answer - no  ;D

Unfortunately, that would put too much of a strain on the connection between the webcam and the rest of the world - we have tried it, but there just isn't enough bandwith to support it.

James
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Neville Hobbs on April 07, 2004, 07:14:44 pm
James,
Did you notice that the calender on the web cam needs re-setting?  :)
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Aidan Winwood on April 07, 2004, 07:22:21 pm
Neville,

May be that's because you work on the special 'estate agents calender'... ;)

"Ooh yes, it'll be sold in a couple of weeks"

;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: jet on April 07, 2004, 10:16:09 pm
I did notice but being a gentleman, was hesitant to critisise as it tends to get me in trouble ;D
regards,
jet
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: jet on April 09, 2004, 10:01:05 pm
Why is it that a black cabster pick up truck finds it neccasary to park on the pavement most of the times that I look at the web cam?
regards,
jet
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: James Bentall on May 04, 2004, 02:16:58 pm
Apologies to anyone trying to view the webcam today - I've broken the darn thing whilst trying to change something over the internet.

It will be back online about 5:30pm BST

But it's a horrible day and looking at the weather will only depress you....

James
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: James Bentall on June 18, 2004, 02:21:56 am
The webcam will be offline from about 5pm Friday until about 11am Saturday. But I'm sure you'll survive.

James
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Spurs fan on June 19, 2004, 04:07:39 pm
Is there any chance of a continous live feed one day? I'm totally ignorant as to whether that involves a massive cost, sbut it would be nice to see movement. One pic every 2 minutes isn't terribly exciting!
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on June 19, 2004, 06:01:33 pm
Hi Spurs-Fan,

Yes, it would involve massive cost, which is why we have opted for the snapshot every two minutes. Ware Online has a Webcam broadacasting moving images on 24-hours a day, but that is sponsored and the line and all the costs are covered by a local company.

Click here to see the Ware Online Webcam (http://www.wareonline.co.uk/webcam/default.asp)

We can't afford that, so the two minute update in daylight hours is all we can offer I am afraid. If you refresh your browser you can get more frequent updates.

Sorry.

Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Spurs fan on June 20, 2004, 07:58:28 pm
No need to apologise! I feared cost could be the overriding factor  :(

We don't have many candidates for sponsorship in a small village do we, though.............how about Neville?
;-)
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Aidan Winwood on June 21, 2004, 02:35:20 pm
just keep clicking refresh and it'll update to another image.  Not live,but much quicker.

Aidan
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Cassie on June 23, 2004, 06:27:10 pm
Has the angle of the webcam changed since Village Day as I'm sure it used to include towards the post office?
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: James Bentall on June 23, 2004, 11:52:20 pm
Er.. probably!  ;D

I've pointed it back round towards the left a little.

James
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: James Bentall on July 02, 2004, 03:58:07 pm
We are trying an experiment - I'm not too sure how long (we're hoping to try for a week, but it might be less than that depending on how things work out)

If you connect to (link removed now experiment is over) you should be able see the webcam working with a much faster refresh rate than normal - about once a second.

PLEASE don't leave this on your desktop running all day as the connection between the webcam and the outside world is not the fastest, but feel free to experiment with having it live for a few minutes at a time.

If you try and connect but just get a blank screen, that means the maximum number of permitted users has connected at that time - try again later.

Please Instant Message me through the forum if you have any feedback.

James
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Phil_Holm on July 02, 2004, 04:30:38 pm
The new webcam site is great.  The refresh rate is much quicker, with not too much loss of quality.  I also like the snapshot feature.

Will we have a competition to get the best snapshot like the loch ness webcam.

http://www.lochness.co.uk/livecam/

Phil
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: jet on July 09, 2004, 02:42:24 pm
Well done James, it works very well
regards,
jet
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on July 09, 2004, 05:48:58 pm
The almost-live Webcam feed experiment ends tonight at 6pm. By all accounts it worked well. Thanks to all those who tried it out.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: supersonic on July 09, 2004, 05:55:18 pm
Any chance of the almost-live feed becoming a more permanent feature?  How about an infra-red feed for after dark?

Supersonic
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on July 09, 2004, 05:57:58 pm
Hi Supersonic,

It would be too costly. We can only try it when we can borrow a line for a short period.

However, if any local business would like to pay for a line with enough bandwidth to satisfy demand, set up a computer and a webcam etc, we would happily run one 24x7 and at much higher resolution than the one we have been running.

But all that would cost far too much money for us. We need a local sponsor.

Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on July 23, 2004, 05:53:16 pm
The almost-live webcam is back for a short summer run. Again the same rules apply, please don't leave it running on your desktop because it will slow it down for others. Have a peak and come back later if still curious.
;)

click here for more details. (http://www.brookmans.com/news/july04/hotspot.shtml)

click here for the webcam (http://www.brookmanswebcam.com/)
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on July 26, 2004, 09:12:09 am
Apologies to those trying to access the webcam -- it has died. We should have it up and running again by next weekend, but it is not certain.
Sorry.
:-/
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: James Bentall on September 04, 2004, 12:44:34 pm
Following testing, the webcam will be left in streaming mode permanently (mode wot where you can get moving pictures) - meaning you can always access it at http://www.brookmanswebcam.com.

Having said this, I'm afraid the webcam will be off for the rest of the day....

James
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Mooniemad on September 13, 2004, 11:15:07 pm
Cheers for the webcam. I love it. It was very useful this summer as I was in the US working and did some travelling along the course. Every time I missed home, I was always able to come on and see what was going on.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: James Bentall on October 26, 2004, 06:19:59 pm
The webcam has gone on holiday for half term week... to the other side of the village square! Take a look either narrowband - http://www.brookmans.com/webcam.php or broadband - http://www.brookmanswebcam.com (a reminder though - please do not stay on the broadband version for too long - if people start abusing it, the broadband version will be removed)

James
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on November 05, 2004, 01:16:11 pm
Thanks to all those who have mailed to say the webcam is not working at the moment. We have a technical problem which we hope to deal with over the weekend. The feedback is appreciated.
:)
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: James Bentall on November 18, 2004, 09:18:21 am
Webcam is now working again. Sorry for the long downtime

James
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Abbot on November 18, 2004, 03:53:35 pm
You could have delayed it until a nice sunny day.

It least Statons are now in the picture
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Spurs fan on November 18, 2004, 04:51:17 pm
Good to see it back, though it shows the date as Thursday January 1st 1970!  Are we going retro ;-) ???
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: James Bentall on November 18, 2004, 05:38:42 pm
Um. I've forgotten the password, so can't change it  :-\
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Spurs fan on November 18, 2004, 06:31:22 pm
Ha  ha. I bet you were just praying no-one would notice!
;)
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on December 20, 2004, 01:50:07 pm
Could all parents please encourage their childrens' schools to post information on this site in the event of closures due to snow (or for any other reason).

All local schools have procedures set in place to alert parents in the event of school closures, but last year many parents turned to this site's forum for information.  One local head used the forum and posted updates.

An email has been sent to all North Mymms schools encouraging heads to register for the forum and post information directly to this thread.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: sasquartch on December 20, 2004, 02:50:57 pm
I wonder why the schools cannot use their own websites as well ?

Brookmans Park school's site points to this site - surely it would be better for  the school's own site to be the primary source of information.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on December 20, 2004, 03:11:53 pm
I think that is right sasquartch. That would be the best solution all round. It might be that their sites are not as easy to update as this site's forum. Also, decisions about snow days are often last minute and heads might not have access to a content management system to enable instant updates of their sites (although ideally they should be able to). That is why I felt that offering this forum as a way to post instant information might help.

:)
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Largey on December 20, 2004, 03:24:57 pm
With regards to Brookmans Park school, there are plans to develop a more interactive element to the new school website which will enable the Headteacher to do exactly that. Untill such time as this is available the school is making use of the excellent service offered by this site along with radio broadcasts on Three Counties Radio etc..,
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on December 20, 2004, 03:28:38 pm
Yes, Lesley from Brookmans Park Primary was the only head to make use of this forum during the last snow day. The other heads have been invited to do the same if they feel the facility is of any value.

I remember during the last snow day we had one point when there were 11 registered users on the site and 49 guests. I am only guessing, but I presume they were parents, guardians, and children looking for up-to-date information.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Phil_Holm on December 20, 2004, 03:37:54 pm
100% correct as usual Dave.

The Primary School site is hosted by "The Grid" which is a Herts based online resounce for schools. http://www.thegrid.org.uk/

It is a closed system and because of the security measures in place it's not possible to upload to the site from outside the school intranet.

It does have benefits, but it's also a pain, because the site can only be changed when the school is open, ie not evenings, weekends or early morning.

So thanks for the community help Dave.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on January 13, 2005, 10:53:34 pm
Would the local resident who filled out a feedback form on the site raising a question about the webcam please do so again and add an email address so that we can reply to the points raised please.

Thanks

Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: James Bentall on February 23, 2005, 11:25:49 am
Apologies that the webcam has been offline for the last day or so. It will be working again by tonight (Weds) - in time to see the large amount of snow that forcasters are saying we're going to get by tomorrow afternoon  ;D
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on March 04, 2005, 08:36:59 am
There is a nice snow scene via the webcam if any of our overseas pals want to look in, but be quick, it's not expected to last. Click here to see the webcam (http://www.brookmans.com/webcam.php)
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: NZer on March 04, 2005, 08:48:34 am
Yes I had a look about 8.30am your time (9.30pm ours) and it looked great.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: James Bentall on March 04, 2005, 09:21:46 am
(http://www.brookmans.com/snow.jpg)

 :)

Will try and keep this picture updated do get the most 'snowy' picture before the forcasted rain arrives... Am hoping it's all gone before I try and come home from work today... WAGN are already having problems  :'( - http://realtime.wagn.co.uk/?page=gn
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: James Bentall on March 24, 2005, 10:07:44 pm
I appear to have broken the webcam again. Not sure why. Will try and get it working tomorrow.

:icon_scratch:

James
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Albert Ross on April 08, 2005, 04:14:15 pm
Web Cam has gone wonky again and picture does not seem as good as a few weeks ago. Has it been changed?
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: James Bentall on April 08, 2005, 04:50:59 pm
No, it hasn't been changed - I just knocked into it without realising it...

I rarely look at the webcam (tend to just look out of my window cos it's easier  ;D), so often don't notice if it has been knocked. Please post here or message me privately through the system if the camera does appear to be at a slightly odd angle and I will correct it.

James
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on April 09, 2005, 02:44:38 pm
Nice new angle for the webcam James, let's hope that fat pigeon doesn't sit on it again.

 ;D
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: James Bentall on April 16, 2005, 12:43:19 pm
There have been quite a few occasions this week when someone has been looking at the streaming webcam and has obviously left it on for a long time. The trouble is, when this happens, my internet access at home slows to a crawl.

Please remember that whilst I don't mind people looking at the streaming webcam for a minute or two, please do NOT look at it for long periods of time, particularly during the evening or weekends when I am probably trying to do work.

Unfortunately, if this situation continues, I will have to stop access to the streaming webcam and just return to having the fixed picture one, which would be a shame.

Alternatively, if any local companies feel like paying for and installing a second ADSL line in so the webcam could run on one of those permanently, let me know ;D

James
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Cassie on April 16, 2005, 12:55:40 pm
There have been quite a few occasions this week when someone has been looking at the streaming webcam and has obviously left it on for a long time. The trouble is, when this happens, my internet access at home slows to a crawl.

James

What exciting lives some people lead!!! ::) :)
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: James Bentall on April 16, 2005, 01:07:41 pm
Hmm. Someone still trying to access it, but I've worked out how to block IP address, so Mr 195.93.21.8 if you want to look at the webcam again, please drop me an email....

James
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Mermaid on April 16, 2005, 02:02:22 pm
Perhaps it's our friendly neighbouhood burglars!!

Mermaid
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Cassie on April 17, 2005, 05:28:10 pm
Hmm. Someone still trying to access it, but I've worked out how to block IP address, so Mr 195.93.21.8 if you want to look at the webcam again, please drop me an email....

James

Excuse my igonorance but how do we find out our IP address? ???
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: John_fraser on April 17, 2005, 06:32:41 pm
On Windows, from a "DOS" type ipconfig.

If, like me, you have stup a local network behind a NATs/firewall/router you will only get your local ip address. For your IP adress on the internet visit http://www.whatismyip.com/
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: jet on April 17, 2005, 06:46:03 pm
The web cam is infuriating, it shows a dry day in BP, its tipping it down in Tipperary, please send an Ark.
Why is JF now a 4 legged herbivore type thing?
regards,jet
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: James Bentall on April 17, 2005, 07:15:30 pm
The web cam is infuriating, it shows a dry day in BP, its tipping it down in Tipperary, please send an Ark.

Could be worse Jet. You could have moved to Qaanaaq in Greenland - warmed up to a barmy -16C there today....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/5day.shtml?world=4814

Anyway, it's rain forecast for tomorrow :(

James
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: John_fraser on April 17, 2005, 07:46:59 pm
Why is JF now a 4 legged herbivore type thing?
Got bored of my old picture and wanted smoething. The reason I chose that picture is very sad and very geeky.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: NZer on April 19, 2005, 12:36:15 am
Thought perhaps the last entry from John should have come under the 'local nature' thread!!  ;)
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: scouse on May 31, 2005, 01:37:07 pm
Anybody know whats happened to the Web Cam? It looks like it may have been attacked by unruly youths!! lol!
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Cassie on May 31, 2005, 05:28:58 pm
LOL - maybe it's filming James' floor :D
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: James Bentall on May 31, 2005, 09:11:30 pm
 :icon_scratch:

Yes, it had fallen off the window sill - sorry I've been out all day and only just noticed.

The rot all started to set in when Liverpool won the cup if you ask me  ;D

James
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Mary_Morgan on June 21, 2005, 07:44:00 pm
Did it get lost at Village Day? ;)  or is it only me who is still getting the message that it is being moved?

Mary
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on June 21, 2005, 08:00:13 pm
No, we are having problems. James is on the case. Sorry Mary.  :-[  You'll have to make do with the Village Day 2005 photo gallery instead. Click here to view (http://www.brookmans.fotopic.net/c583939.html).

Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Mary_Morgan on June 21, 2005, 08:48:24 pm
Dave, Thanks.  Done all the Village Day photos.  Great.   Recognised a few faces this year.     No problem, just thought I would like to have a look see on the webcam at the summer weather I hear you are getting.   It won't last - bound to be raining when I get home :D

M
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: James Bentall on July 04, 2005, 12:38:06 pm
The webcam obviously had a bit too much to drink last night and is feeling hungover this morning.... I'll put it back to normal when I get home

(Thank to the people who have messaged me to let me know!)

James
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Marky on July 14, 2005, 04:10:12 pm
Is it me or does the webcam seem a little blurry!! :o
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on July 14, 2005, 04:18:18 pm
James,

Can you get the duster out please?

 :)

David
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Cassie on July 14, 2005, 04:21:39 pm
Is it me or does the webcam seem a little blurry!! :o

Looks blurry to me too - maybe it has a filter on to protect from the sun  ;) :)
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: James Bentall on July 14, 2005, 10:10:03 pm
It does a little blurry.. sorry.....

I'm away on a school residential trip at the moment, but will try and sort it at the weekend.

Now may also be a good time to warn people that I am moving house fairley soon - within the next two weeks.

Unfortunately, my new house hasn't got anything like such an interesting view out of the windows, and I don't really think I can leave the webcam in place for the new owners!

So ,the webcam is a bit of an endagered species - and may well be extinct in a fortnight.

I am open for suggestions about how we could keep it going - would a business be willing to sponsor the cost of the line (essentially an ADSL line)? What about a location? Any ideas where we coudl have a more permanent site?

James
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: James Bentall on July 22, 2005, 12:02:23 am
Well, that's it. The webcam has gone. We hope to have it back online around the middle of August from an alternative place - watch this space........

James
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Carolyn on September 15, 2005, 10:44:17 am
Any update on when the  WebCam is likely to be back?
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: James Bentall on September 15, 2005, 05:11:07 pm
 :icon_scratch: Oops - ashamed to say I'd forgotten about it. Will try and do something in the next week or so....

James
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: jet on September 15, 2005, 05:25:59 pm
I too miss the camera, its amusing to spot the 4WDs on the pavement.
Hope you are enjoying your new home James, your efforts with the web cam are most appreciated.
regards,
jet
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: supersonic on October 04, 2005, 08:37:08 pm
Any news on the webcam. Has it fallen prey to the beast of Brookmans Park?  ;D


supersonic
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: James Bentall on October 04, 2005, 10:53:21 pm
Yeah I'm really sorry about the lack of any progress.

My 'paid job' (teaching) has been start of term manic ish recently as we merged with another school over the summer, and the scout troop has grown rapidly recently to over 100 members aged 10-13 - trying to balance those two is leaving me little time to do much else at the moment. Half term is approaching however, so hopefully I will have some time to look at it then.

Also, somewhere in the process of moving house I put the power adaptor for it in a very safe place  :icon_scratch:

James
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Lectricary on October 05, 2005, 04:07:30 pm
James if you need a power adapter I will gladly give you one.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: supersonic on November 21, 2005, 10:42:58 pm
Any chance of the webcam being up and running in time for the Christmas lights?


supersonic
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: James Bentall on November 21, 2005, 11:46:19 pm
Yes definately. I've found the power supply  :) and have been speaking to a shop owner about putting it in their window.

James
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: supersonic on November 21, 2005, 11:52:27 pm
Quote from: James Bentall
Yes definately.

Good news!


supersonic
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Neville Hobbs on November 23, 2005, 10:08:18 am
James,
You are quite welcome to put your camera in my window if you want a good vantage point for the tree.
Neville
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: James Bentall on November 23, 2005, 10:59:40 am
Er... you were the shop keeper I'd been speaking to  ;D
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Neville Hobbs on November 29, 2005, 06:03:15 pm
James,
I have had my office called many things over the years, but this is the first itime it has been called a shop.  :) That is why I didnt realise you meant me.
Perhaps if your camera was at my low level window cill it would atract bum flashers  - or worse get smashed.
Sharon of Hollywood told me there is an empty flat above Hollywood that you could possibly use - let me know if you wish to explore the possibility.

Neville
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: James Bentall on November 29, 2005, 06:26:29 pm
That would be great Neville - I'll contact you tommorow

To every else -sorry I had hoped to get the camera up and running today in time for the switching on ceremony, but time overtook me. Now aiming for this weekend (3rd Dec)

James
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Cassie on November 30, 2005, 08:46:52 am

Sharon of Hollywood told me there is an empty flat above Hollywood that you could possibly use - let me know if you wish to explore the possibility.

Neville

That's not Sharon Stone I presume!!! :D
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Bob on November 30, 2005, 06:44:26 pm
James,
I have had my office called many things over the years, but this is the first itime it has been called a shop.  :) That is why I didnt realise you meant me.
Perhaps if your camera was at my low level window cill it would atract bum flashers  - or worse get smashed.
Sharon of Hollywood told me there is an empty flat above Hollywood that you could possibly use - let me know if you wish to explore the possibility.

Neville

Doesn't your window look at the afternoon sun ( if there is any ) with all the problems of glare that could be created?
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Neville Hobbs on December 01, 2005, 05:57:49 pm
Bob,
Good call. indeed my office faces due South so the glare would be terrible. Sharon of Hollywoods window faces West so undoubtedly, the best place will be in the north facing parade of shops where the Eye care shop is and James was.
Over to you.
Neville
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: James Bentall on December 03, 2005, 09:32:22 am
Sigh.. Don't you love ordering from the internet.

Unfortunately, the bits I ordered earlier in the week to make the webcam work in a new location haven't turned up, despite all the promises about speedy delivery on the website of the company I used. So it's going to be a little bit longer before the webcam is working. Sorry.

James
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on December 17, 2005, 02:24:21 pm
The webcam is live again - at least for the next few weeks. Thanks to James for setting it up, Hollywood Hairdressers for letting us position it above their property and Neville Hobbs at Windsors Estate Agents for letting us use his connection. Click here to see the webcam. (http://www.brookmans.com/webcam.php)
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on December 17, 2005, 04:32:04 pm
Apologies for the deterioration in the image. It seems to be struggling with the night light conditions. It also looks like the lense is steamed up. We will try to sort it out on Monday. Sorry.

 :-\
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Neville Hobbs on December 22, 2005, 02:48:17 pm
Camera now in focus and re-aligned so you can just see my office :)
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on January 07, 2006, 07:40:01 am
If our ex-pat chums want a glimps of what they missing, there is a light fall of snow in Brookmans Park this morning (at 07:30). It's melting quickly so have a look at the webcam (http://www.brookmans.com/webcam.php) now if you want to see it. Below is a grab of what it looked like before the thaw.



Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on January 11, 2006, 07:24:29 pm
The Welwyn Hatfield Times has published a story highlighting our Webcam's need for a new home. Click here to read. (http://www.whtimes.co.uk/content/whtimes/news/story.aspx?brand=WHTOnline&category=News&tBrand=herts24&tCategory=newswhtnew&itemid=WEED10%20Jan%202006%2016%3A17%3A11%3A780)
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Cassie on January 11, 2006, 08:45:23 pm
I can't get on the Welwyn Hatfield Times site - I just get the 'page cannot be diplayed' message.  I've tried adjusting my settings but it still doesn't work.

Any ideas anyone please?
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: James Bentall on January 11, 2006, 09:03:21 pm
Thank you to the two individuals who have contacted me about rehousing the camera - work has gone insane but when it calms down again I'll be in touch...

James
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Aidan Winwood on January 12, 2006, 10:23:28 am
from the WHT article, who is the mystery site editor Bernard Spatz?  Dave is this your alter-ego?

A
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on January 12, 2006, 10:30:44 am
from the WHT article, who is the mystery site editor Bernard Spatz? Dave is this your alter-ego?

A

Yes, they missed me off for some reason.

Bernard is a pal who is one of the three volunteers. He helps checks the longer features for accuracy, while I continue to bash them out in a rush and make loads of mistakes. Without Bernard nothing would make sense on the site and without James nothing would work.

 ;)

Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Aidan Winwood on January 12, 2006, 10:32:39 am
hats off to the three of you then...    :)

A
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Laurel on January 16, 2006, 10:17:57 am
Hello

I am the reporter from the Welwyn & Hatfield Times who wrote the piece. I am so sorry that I missed you off, Dave! Many apologies...

Thank you so much for the story and I hope it helped!

Laurel
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Rocket on February 01, 2006, 03:31:44 pm
Hi,

Any chance of pointing your web cam at the Coop store, then perhaps we could catch the next robbery, if you have it connected to a VCR?

Rocket (from across the Green)
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on February 01, 2006, 03:37:18 pm

Any chance of pointing your web cam at the Coop store, then perhaps we could catch the next robbery, if you have it connected to a VCR?


Hi Rocket,

Welcome to the forum. I have put your post in the existing Webcam thread. We are not allowed to record the Webcam. If we did, we would have to put signs up around the village letting people know that they are being filmed and the images are being stored. With a Webcam that doesn't store images you don't have to do that.

David
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on February 01, 2006, 03:47:44 pm
As Neville has explained in another thread, the Webcam is temporarily out of action.

I will have to give that some thought. Sorry about the web cam as the painters must have unplugged the power to the router.
Neville

Apologies. We hope to sort it out as soon as we can.

David
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Abbot on February 23, 2006, 04:39:47 pm
Any News??

Will we be able to see the next dusting of Snow? ???
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on February 23, 2006, 04:43:44 pm
James is on the case. The connection we used when Neville ran Windsors needs to be reconnected and we should be okay, but I am sure James will explain. Apologies for the delay.

David
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on May 06, 2006, 10:51:31 am
Apologies for the delay in getting the webcam back online. We are still working on a solution.

David
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on February 07, 2007, 10:02:24 pm
From Hertfordshire County Council

February 7, 2007
SNOW CONDITIONS AFFECTING HERTFORDSHIRE
By Corporate Communication Dept


Police in Hertfordshire have issued the following advice in light of heavy snow being forecast for Thursday 8th February 2007.

• Avoid non-essential journeys and only drive in heavy snow conditions if you really have to.

• If you have to travel you should reduce speeds, allow extra time for your journey and leave a greater distance between you and the car in front.

• Motorists should also ensure windows and lights are clean and free from snow cover before they set off.

• You should ensure that you have warm weather proof clothing with you, as well as food and drink and, ideally, a shovel.

• During the period of adverse weather the demand on the emergency services understandably increases and people are asked to avoid contacting the police unless it is an emergency.

.../end of news release.
 
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Susan on February 07, 2007, 10:09:10 pm
I was quite excited - sad person that I am.

Then I looked at BBC News Online, and the heavy snow warning forecasts 2-5 cm in the South-East... not sure that's enough to make a snowman! :)

(But then, I'm from further north!)





Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on February 07, 2007, 10:25:27 pm
Chancellor's school is telling people to check the school website www.chancellors.herts.sch.uk  (http://www.chancellors.herts.sch.uk) to see if there is an update regarding snow and the implications for the school.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Mermaid on February 07, 2007, 10:41:11 pm

Dame Alice Owen's will post a message on their website at 7.45am on Thursday morning and have asked pupils and their parents to check the website before starting their journey to school:

www.damealiceowens.herts.sch.uk
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on February 07, 2007, 10:43:06 pm
Thanks Mermaid, the primary school is telling people to check this site. Hopefully, one of the staff is going to post regarding the situation there if there is heavy snow.

http://www.brookmanspark.herts.sch.uk/ (http://www.brookmanspark.herts.sch.uk/)

David
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: James Bentall on February 07, 2007, 10:52:42 pm
I've put the webcam online temporarily out of a handy window so that if you are away from the village you will be able to see if any snow is falling. See it at

http://www.brookmans.com/webcam.php

Please note the webcam will not be up permanently here - it's a very short term viewing so make the most of it!

And if you're looking at it before daylight - will refocus it when I can see what I'm doing!!

James
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: NZer on February 07, 2007, 11:29:12 pm
Thank you James - its really lovely to be able to see glimpses of the village when one lives so far away.  I missed seeing the Christmas Tree on the green this Christmas.  Last December I was in BP so could see it for myself.
Thanks for making the effort. :)
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on February 08, 2007, 06:40:37 am
A blanket of snow, 5cm (2in) deep in places, has covered south Herts overnight. As more snow falls, travel warnings are being issued. Click here  (http://www.brookmans.com/news/february07/snowwarning.shtml) for more details. You can also check out the village snowcam (http://www.brookmans.com/webcam.php).

Please add any relevant information to this thread.

David
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: James Bentall on February 08, 2007, 06:50:29 am
Trains appear to be running fine - although the FCC live updates page is down, I can see (and hear) them coming through the station....

Roads wise - Station Road/Bluebridge Road doesn't appaer to have been gritted (yet - anyway), so do take care out there....

James
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: James Bentall on February 08, 2007, 06:52:10 am
Chancellors School is closed today - see http://www.chancellors.herts.sch.uk/newsflash.htm
Little Heath School is closed today - see http://www.littleheath.herts.sch.uk/
Lochinver House School is closed today - see http://www.lochinverhouse.herts.sch.uk/

Brookmans Park School is closed -we have been contacted by one of the governers to let us know.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on February 08, 2007, 06:53:16 am
Thanks James, will update the site.

David
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on February 08, 2007, 07:00:26 am
Luton airport closed.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on February 08, 2007, 07:14:39 am
This from First Capital Connect

SEVERE WEATHER WARNING FOR TODAY THURSDAY 8 FEBRUARY 2007


We are operating a full service today, but customers should allow extra time for their journey.

Please take extra care on the station platforms and when getting on and off the trains, as it may be slippery


Customers should be prepared for some minor disruption to all services today due to snow fall.

There are some weather related points failures this morning.

Customers are advised to allow more time for their journey.

First Capital Connect, last night, ran empty trains throughout the night to stop rails and power lines from freezing over, treating train doors and other equipment to ensure they did not freeze over.

At stations, each station was provided with ice thawing granules laid along the platforms and extra staff have been mobilised to clear station platforms. Special announcements have been prepared for stations and trains this morning to warn customers of the potential disruption.

Customers are advised to check back here at frequent intervals for up to date information, or to contact www.nationalrail.co.uk
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on February 08, 2007, 07:51:51 am
Could any forum members who made it to work on the train or by car please report on conditions here.

Thanks

David
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on February 08, 2007, 07:54:22 am
BBC News Online has a travel update page.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6341183.stm
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: hilarycarlen on February 08, 2007, 08:46:33 am
 :-*  Wow!  Love the snowcam.  Just found it.  Thank you, whoever put it up.  Please keep it up, so I can take a glimpse of home when I'm at work.   :o
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: James Bentall on February 08, 2007, 08:59:35 am
Could any forum members who made it to work on the train or by car please report on conditions here.

Thanks

David

To my amazement, got to work early. Trains ran fine, on time and Victoria Line was fine - and less crowded than usual - as well.

Bet it all breaks down about 2pm so no one can get home again :)
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Abbot on February 08, 2007, 09:03:49 am
Wife at work in London. Train a bit slower than normal. Nice walk to the station.

Have to build a snowman for her return.

Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Mermaid on February 08, 2007, 09:07:07 am

Have finished our snowman  ;D
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on February 08, 2007, 09:28:06 am

Have finished our snowman  ;D

Picture please.

 :)
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: sasquartch on February 08, 2007, 09:34:27 am
Got Welwyn Garden City in about 40 minutes. A1000 not too bad.

Inevitably lots of people using snow as an excuse not to come into work - the reality is it's really not too bad.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: James Bentall on February 08, 2007, 09:45:36 am
I'm just sulking cos mine appears to be the only school open in the country :(

Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: ADM on February 08, 2007, 09:56:43 am
Both my kids' schools are closed.

Frankly I think it's pathetic.  Who are the workshy idle muppets who make these decisions?  I know all teachers aren't lazy skivers, but cancelling school is ridiculous.  Please don't trot out that lame excuse about 'if some kid falls over the school might be sued'.  It's never happened and it never will.  How many days off a year do they need?

Well done James for going in.  Let us know how many of your colleagues make it.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on February 08, 2007, 09:58:04 am
From the Highways Agency

Severe weather warnings issued

07 February 2007: Drivers are urged to avoid travel unless essential as severe weather is predicted.

Forecasts of severe winter weather expected overnight tonight and into Thursday have prompted the Highways Agency to ask drivers to avoid travel unless essential.


Asking road users to "help us help you," the Agency has released its warning in advance of severe weather which is expected to affect many areas of the country.

Road users are advised to assess conditions before travel, checking their route for delays and taking note of weather forecasts.

Should conditions be poor they are asked to delay travel until they improve unless the journey is absolutely essential.

Those who decide to travel are recommended to go prepared with warm clothing and an emergency pack.

For long journeys, this should include food and water, boots, de-icer, a torch and a spade, the Agency asserts.

While travelling drivers are encouraged to continue listening to travel news on their car radios.

The Agency asks that road users exercise extra caution around gritters and snow-clearing vehicles, only overtaking in safe conditions and if the manoeuvre does not involve travelling on uncleared snow.

It also reminds drivers that stopping distances can be ten times longer when conditions are icy and states that they should allow more room to slow down and stop.

Should road users lose control of their vehicles due to wheel-spin, the Agency recommends using the highest available gear, while avoiding sudden braking, acceleration or sharp turns.

Information about current conditions can be found at the Highways Agency website.

The Met Office has today released a forecast detailing a period of heavy snow developing across parts of south-west England early on Thursday.

It is expected to extend across the midlands, London, the south-east and East Anglia during Thursday morning.

The band of snow is then expected to push into northern England as the morning progresses and will continue throughout the afternoon and evening, the Agency reports.

While up to five centimetres of snow is expected in many places, this could increase to up to 15cm on high ground.

The Agency has 400 salt spreading vehicles which will be employed on the nation's motorways and all purpose trunk roads overnight in order to minimise the impact of the unfavourable conditions.

It also recommends checking weather forecasts and conditions before setting out, by visiting the Highways Agency website, the Met Office website, or by calling the information line on 08457 504030.

Information can also be gathered from local radio traffic and weather reports.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: James Bentall on February 08, 2007, 10:21:31 am
Both my kids' schools are closed.

Frankly I think it's pathetic.  Who are the workshy idle muppets who make these decisions?  I know all teachers aren't lazy skivers, but cancelling school is ridiculous.  Please don't trot out that lame excuse about 'if some kid falls over the school might be sued'.  It's never happened and it never will.  How many days off a year do they need?

Well done James for going in.  Let us know how many of your colleagues make it.

It's easy for me cos my school is in central London- the roads are more or less clear and the tubes are more or less running.I think we've got one member of staff who didn't make it, and about 75% of the kids in.

In defence of my colleauges at other schools, I think it must be very hard to make a snap decision at 7am as to whether to open the school or not. Although most of the kids can get in, teachers - particularly for the Brookmans Park Schools - tend to live quite a bit further away (mainly due to house prices!), and certainly me looking out of my windows at 7am this morning and seeing no roads gritted wouldhave made me think twice about attempting a car journey. Then there's worries about whether the school caterers will be able to get the food through to provide lunches etc. I think those are more the issues ratherthan children falling over. I am not looking forward to playground duty with many excitable children and a snow covered playground however!

James
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on February 08, 2007, 11:06:48 am
If anyone has any snow pics uploaded that we could link to, please mail the link to the site's contact address (http://www.brookmans.com/contact.php).

Here is a picture sent in by a forum user.

The snowman was built by Danielle and Jonathan.

(http://www.brookmans.com/news/february07/snowman1.jpg)

Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Govvy on February 08, 2007, 11:58:21 am
I'd thought I take a picture for you all. As you can see, no cars for the school and no road for the cars!

Drive safely folks. :)

(http://www.govvy.co.uk/bin/snow/Pine Grove snow.jpg)

Thought I'd add a pic of our back garden also.

(http://www.govvy.co.uk/bin/snow/back garden.jpg)
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: John_fraser on February 08, 2007, 12:17:56 pm
Nice picture, I've been out twice with the camera today. First time I left it on manual focus without realising and the second time I forgot to put the memory back in  :-[ doh!

I've merged this thread with what appears to have become the Snow 2007 thread.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: James Bentall on February 08, 2007, 12:41:36 pm
I see from the webcam (I think..) that it is still snowing in BP. Is it still getting deeper? Or has it started melting yet? Will there be enough left for the more immature of us to try a bit of sledging when we get home from work do you think?  ;D
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Ferdie on February 08, 2007, 12:51:43 pm
Still several inches, but it is melting outside temperature around +2 celcius. Is this time to remember Mymms Drive melting in the heat of last summer, how the year rolls along!  http://www.brookmans.com/forum/index.php?topic=1079.0 (http://www.brookmans.com/forum/index.php?topic=1079.0)  8)
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Govvy on February 08, 2007, 01:24:35 pm
Na, the snow looks pretty well settled. But there is a little melting off of the trees and shrubs, probably because of the little bit of heat they give off.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Mallow on February 08, 2007, 01:31:49 pm
Will there be enough left for the more immature of us to try a bit of sledging when we get home from work do you think?  ;D

...and some compass reading practice perhaps?

 ;D
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Post by: larrylamb on February 08, 2007, 06:35:15 pm
Thanks for keeping the information going - does anyone know if Brookmans Park school will be open tomorow? Thanks
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Post by: James Bentall on February 08, 2007, 06:50:07 pm
Thanks for keeping the information going - does anyone know if Brookmans Park school will be open tomorow? Thanks

I have had a message from the headteacher that Brookmans Park School is planned to be open tomorrow, however we will update the site early tomorrow morning if anything happens to change that.

Chancellors is definately closed tomorrow as they have an INSET day.

Lochinver House are opening at 10am tomorrow and are requesting that parents do not bring their children to school before that time.

I will update this post if/when we are told more information from any other schools.

James
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Post by: larrylamb on February 08, 2007, 09:18:40 pm
Thanks for that James - just trying to plan ahead (should i wake them up or let them sleep in!)
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Post by: peppermint on February 08, 2007, 10:48:11 pm
Mount Grace School is also closed on Friday
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Post by: sasquartch on February 09, 2007, 01:00:57 pm
So the threat of black ice didn't seem to materialise - the road through Essendon was completely free this morning.
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Post by: sasquartch on December 18, 2007, 05:39:34 am
Anyone know what caused the power outage last night ?

It affected at least part of Peplins Way and lasted from about 7:30 until about 21:00
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Post by: Editor on December 18, 2007, 06:54:11 am
No, but ours went off at the lower end of Moffats for about 20 seconds and then came back on again.

David
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Post by: James Bentall on December 18, 2007, 08:40:01 am
Ours (Station Close) was off from around 7:30 until 10:40. I phoned the electricity board, who said that a switch had tripped in one of the substations. They told me the engineer had been on site from 8:40, so if it took about two hours to fix must have been quite a major problem...
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Mermaid on December 18, 2007, 09:48:18 am
It featured in the radio stations' travel bulletins too. I was driving back to Brooky Park listening to the latest travel update (as you do) and they announced "a local power cut at Brookmans Park Station", and sure enough, as I drove over the bridge, it was all in complete darkness.

Nice to see the Christmas tree lights still on though!

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Post by: James Bentall on January 03, 2008, 12:17:09 am
With Brookmans Park due to get a light dusting of snow later today (see http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7167475.stm), I have put the webcam back online so if people are interested they can see if any snow is falling in the village

http://www.brookmans.com/webcam.php

James
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Post by: Editor on January 03, 2008, 07:34:01 am
Thanks James, great idea.

David
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Post by: James Bentall on January 03, 2008, 08:17:22 am
Thanks James, great idea.

David

Hmm... Thinking I should have checked the focus on it before I left this morning. Sorry!
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on January 03, 2008, 08:19:27 am
I thought it was me. I've been polishing my glasses and rubbing my eyes for ten mins.

 :)

David
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Post by: peppermint on January 03, 2008, 08:22:10 am
The picture is fine.  How often is it updated?  Thanks.
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Post by: James Bentall on January 03, 2008, 09:21:01 am
It updates every two minutes (or when you press F5!)

If you are at work and cannot see the picture, check with your IT guy that port 2041 is open...

James
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on January 03, 2008, 03:27:25 pm
For those who missed the Brooky Park snow storm this afternoon, here is a screen grab of a snowcam shot taken at 3pm.

(http://www.brookmans.com/snowcam.jpg)

For those who want to check the real thing, click here (http://www.brookmans.com/webcam.php).

 :)

David
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Post by: James Bentall on March 23, 2008, 08:12:00 am
(http://www.brookmans.com/images/springsnow.jpg)

Happy Easter! What's going on with this weather then?!!
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Post by: stevea on March 23, 2008, 08:26:24 am
Great pictures!  Must admit, I do miss the snow BUT it's 30c in Brisbane - hot and sunny with a cool
breeze coming off the sea.   :)   The only frost I see these days is in the freezer when I grab some ice
cream!
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Post by: Editor on March 23, 2008, 09:56:12 am
And a view from Hawkshead Lane looking back towards Brookmans Park taken at 9am on Sunday23 March.

(http://www.brookmans.com/news/march08/snowmarch2008.jpg)

David
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Ferdie on March 23, 2008, 02:41:16 pm
What's going on with this weather then?!!
James, It's called Global Warming.  :-\
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Post by: peppermint on March 23, 2008, 10:54:10 pm
It didnt seem very warm to me.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: NZer on March 24, 2008, 01:48:42 am
We had snow at Easter in Dorset in 1978 - and presumably Easter was later that year - and we were camping!!  So nothing changes :)
It was 24 C yesterday and we were at the beach! 8)
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: James Bentall on April 03, 2008, 07:50:08 am
Anyone else enjoying a powercut at the moment?
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: southbury on April 03, 2008, 08:51:02 am
The power went off at about 5.27 am .. just as I was getting out of the shower ! .. just spoke to my wife and it is still off at 8.50 am !
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: LongTallSally on April 03, 2008, 09:11:05 am
We have power!! My house hummed to life just before 9am. Great now I can have my cup of coffee!!



Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Grant Shapps MP on April 03, 2008, 06:17:15 pm
Power was out from about 5:30am until 8:40am for us and so I'm writing to the Utility Company to find out why it is that Brookmans Park is infamous for power cuts!

Grant.

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Post by: Ann on April 04, 2008, 10:47:04 am
Although I spend most of my time in BP with my mother. In Potters Bar last year there were quite a few power cuts. I would return to my flat and find my digital clock blinking away at me, so I knew the power had been off.
Perhaps  we should expect more of this as we all  use so much electricity.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on April 06, 2008, 08:27:25 am
For those former Brookmans Park residents now living in warm climates. Bradmore Green and Bluebridge Road at 8am on Sunday 6 April.

 :)

(http://www.brookmans.com/news/april08/snow1.jpg)

(http://www.brookmans.com/news/april08/snow2.jpg)

(http://www.brookmans.com/news/april08/snow3.jpg)

(http://www.brookmans.com/news/april08/snow4.jpg)

David
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Post by: stevea on April 06, 2008, 09:05:36 am
Thanks for the great photos David.  I'm glad you're thinking about us!  Time to have another cold beer
and throw a prawn the size of a banana on the barbie!   8)
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Post by: MC on April 06, 2008, 01:57:45 pm
David

We certainly do appreciate you taking the time to post these pictures. Here in wamer climes the idea of snow is only that, an idea. A long time since I've logged in here (although have looked in on the site a few times) and glad to see it's still going. Hope you are well etc

Not sure where you are stevea but we're in Perth

M
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Post by: Editor on April 06, 2008, 03:03:19 pm
Hi Mark, welcome back. It's been a strange day, alternating between bright sunshine and snow showers. The snow has now melted and it's like a normal spring day.

David
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Post by: Ferdie on April 06, 2008, 05:52:44 pm
So global warming is working well.....
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Post by: stevea on April 06, 2008, 08:50:17 pm
Hi MC. We live on the coast in Brisbane opposite Stradbroke Island. Have a few friends in Perth, been there many a time. Liked the Elephant & Wheelbarrow Pub in Newbridge.
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Post by: NZer on April 07, 2008, 01:34:55 am
Brilliant pictures thanks. Happened to ring my mother just as it stopped snowing and she said it looked just beautiful with all the trees loaded with snow.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: SeaGypsy on April 08, 2008, 02:30:36 am
All over Australia, there'll be Brookmans Park ex-pats going "Ohhh, how pretty the Village looks in the snow - and it must be so nice to be somewhere cool."

Down here in Darwin, I don't need to check what the forecast is - it'll be a min 24C, max 33C - as it will tommorrow, and the day after that and the day after that .....

On the other hand, there are some advantages of being down here.  Like Stevea, I'll spark up the barbie at the back of the boat tonight, but I'll chuck a nice big Barramundi steak on it, and wash it down with a iced jug of Bundy and Coke.
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Post by: stevea on April 08, 2008, 03:43:17 am
Seagypsy - I'll be in Darwin for a fortnight in September - will you still be there?  You supply the fish and
I'll supply the beer!   
As for the snow, I prefer the shorts and t-shirt weather! :)
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Post by: SeaGypsy on April 08, 2008, 04:27:49 pm
Steve,

Sadly will be long gone by September - taking the yacht up to Singapore at the end of May, then onto Phuket for the Kings Cup at Christmas.

However, may be popping down to Brissie mid May to catch up with a mate - if I do, I'll leave a note here - we can enjoy a beer or six at the Manly Hotel.

It would be good to keep in touch whatever - I think my web address is attached to this site.  If you want to email me, remove the dummy word (bugner) in the email address given on the web site - it costs enough to get emails through our HF radio or Sat Phone without being harvested by the Spammers.

And having sat through the Build-Up and the Wet up here, the idea of being somewhere cold with minimal humidity does appeal.

Peter
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Post by: stevea on April 09, 2008, 05:27:09 am
Hi Seagypsy - It'd be great to meet up with you if you get to Brisbane in May. We could have a drink in the Manly and I know of a great Indian ran by some  Indian Poms. I think that now you have sent 5 x posts on this site you can message me personally. Click on my name and you can send me a private message through this site - my personal e mail is there as well.   I must be following you around the planet!  I'll be in Singapore for a week in June and then a fortnight in Phuket.
Cheers
Steve
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: AK on April 11, 2008, 05:48:14 pm
I drove over the bridge into the village just before 6am that morning to a very desolate looking Brookmans Park. Incredibly, Meyer was still there in his store getting the newspapers ready. He had pulled his car up onto the pavement and was its headlights to light the shop. Ingenuity!
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: GeorgeM on July 07, 2008, 02:50:03 pm
A response from EDF Energy regarding the recent power cuts can be found at the Welwyn Hatfield Forum:

http://www.shapps.com/forum/index.php?topic=3600.0

George
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Post by: Peter Hastings on July 07, 2008, 07:22:51 pm
Prices go up service goes down er literally. Same with gas and bt. My only experience contrary is the Land Registry where prices are going down oh yes and service is getting ever better! Oh yes and the Revenue and Customs always seem pretty efficient when contacting me!
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: James Bentall on October 29, 2008, 06:15:23 am
Well, my power went off yesterday evening and is still off this morning. I came up on the train from London around 9:30pm last night, and it looked like the whole of Potters Bar was out as well. Has anyone in Hertfordshire got any power?! (Those of you not in the local area, we had a large quantity of snow dumped on us last night which settled very quickly - I would guess the two events are related)
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Carrie on October 29, 2008, 09:20:10 am
Apparently the west side of Potters Bar is affected (about 7.5k), the whole of BP and about 1500 in Radlett/Shenley area. 
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Post by: shads on October 29, 2008, 09:26:05 am
any news on when the power may come back on....its been 12 hours now
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: James Bentall on October 29, 2008, 09:32:16 am
EDF's emergency number is 0800 7838838 where they are recording their lastest updates. Listening to the message there are loads of people all over Hertfordshire without power in areas from Luton to Hertford, Stevenage, Hatfield and Potters Bar due to 'High Voltage Failure'. At the moment, they are not giving any time for the power coming back on though...
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Post by: shads on October 29, 2008, 09:37:07 am
Thanks mate , i will do........i'm at work so nice and warm its just the wife and kids getting cold... :)
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Post by: awill on October 29, 2008, 10:02:47 am
I was out last night but arrived back to a very dark BP at around midnight. Was reading the EDF website about how long a freezer can stay off before the contents get spoiled - they are quoting 12 to 15 hours so pretty much as of now we are all facing the prospect of throwing away the contents of our freezers.... If this was the good ole US of A we would be contemplating a class action lawsuit right about now. In all seriousness, the lack of information is appalling and also the lack of press coverage - not a mention on Heart this morning...
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Post by: Carrie on October 29, 2008, 10:11:50 am
Re: food in freezer - am in the same boat.  Spoke to someone in office who said write to chairman of power supplier - they hate receiving these letters and would rather pay up.  He told me that I should refuse to pay my electricity bill, or at least deduct the amount which was in my freezer/fridge - oh and make sure our MP gets a copy of any letter sent.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: awill on October 29, 2008, 10:22:42 am
Finally got through to a human being at EDF. Apparently a branch has fallen on the substation due to the snow. "Resources have been allocated" but no indication of timeline for getting power restored. It took me over 15 minutes to get through to EDF and they indicated that there is no other way of finding out if power has been restored apart from calling back later (or getting a neighbour to call me). The operative skipped lightly past my question regarding lost contents of freezers so I am liking the letter to the chairman idea....
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Carrie on October 29, 2008, 10:29:58 am
Got through to someone very rude at E.ON - they can't tell me what time the electricity will be on.  Extremely unhelpful.  If the power is off for more than 18 hours we are all entitled to £50 compensation but cannot write to them regarding loss of food etc, we have to do that through our insurance company. 
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Carrie on October 29, 2008, 12:28:55 pm
Spoken to my insurance company - i have an excess of £100 so not worth trying to claim for the £100 worth of food in freezer really. Am going to resort back to the chairman letter.

Does anyone know if there is any power on yet?  not that they will be able to email us to let us know :-(
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: John_fraser on October 29, 2008, 12:32:04 pm
I'm pinging my router, which doesn't reply. So either the power's still off or my router was fried by a surge.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Carrie on October 29, 2008, 12:39:19 pm
Just tried calling the hairdressers but no answer so I take it they have not gone in.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: John_fraser on October 29, 2008, 01:02:17 pm
Router just woke up, so it looks like the power's back
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on October 29, 2008, 01:20:19 pm
Yes, the power came back on in Brookmans Park just after 13:00.

David
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Post by: Carrie on October 29, 2008, 01:26:58 pm
so just under the required 18 hours before we start getting compensation - typical.
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Post by: Bob Horrocks on October 29, 2008, 02:53:32 pm
Lots of tree branches broken off or hanging low over several roads.  A1000 closed going south with diversion up Swanley Bar Lane.  Might be trees blocking the A1000 or abandoned cars which could not get up the hill to Little Heath.  Also Station Road has lots of broken off or low branches so watch out for stumps of trees sticking out into the roadway.

Someone suggested that the leaves still on the trees were holding the snow causing the branches to sag or break off under the weight.  Normally any snowfalls are later when there are no leaves on most trees.

The shops in Welham Green are open, but most BP shops were closed this morning.  They might be open now that power has come on again.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on October 29, 2008, 05:21:05 pm
We lost several branches with the weight of the snow. A large branch from a neighbour's tree has falling in our garden. Anyone need any logs? Going to have to hire a chain saw.

David
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Local Walker on October 29, 2008, 05:44:48 pm
I am surprised there is a topic on here about how there is an unexplained power cut, and it seems nothing on how amazing that the snow is here. Or about the snow generally.

Seeing it today i think it looked truly amazing. And i am also amazed that it has snowed in the middle of autumn. According to some reoprts, it has not snowed like this at this time for over 70 years.

What are other people's thoughts on it?

Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: John_fraser on October 29, 2008, 05:47:21 pm
Did anyone manage to grab any photos?
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: John_fraser on October 29, 2008, 05:50:12 pm
Much to my surprise First Capital had the pretty trains running well this morning. Or at least my train was on time and there didn't seem to be anyone waiting round form a earlier canceled train. Seemed better than the previous operator's achievements when there was snow or power cuts.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Local Walker on October 29, 2008, 05:51:08 pm
And actually yes i did. But unfortunately i cannot download them due to the power down back home.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on October 29, 2008, 06:44:53 pm
I took some snaps last night ...

(http://www.brookmans.com/news/october08/snow3.jpg)

As the huge flakes started to fall ...

(http://www.brookmans.com/news/october08/snow4.jpg)

A bit later when people started to get stuck on Bluebridge ...

(http://www.brookmans.com/news/october08/snow1.jpg)

This morning on Moffats when shrubs and trees cracked under the strain

(http://www.brookmans.com/news/october08/snow2.jpg)

By the way, have merged the threads under the new heading Snow and power cut.

 :)

David
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Post by: chicken legs on October 29, 2008, 10:07:01 pm
We (in Welham Green) had our power restored tonight at seven o'clock, after 21.5 hours.  Although it was a relief, there was also a little regret that we could no longer sit in candle light without the compulsion to turn on the tv.  And it was like a holiday as we couldn't do any tasks which involved machinery.

Another bonus for me is that I was warmer than usual with the log burner going.  My husband always turns down the central heating, but a log burner puts out lots and lots of heat and can't be turned down  :)
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: stevea on October 30, 2008, 02:57:48 am
My thoughts were when I looked at this topic...stuff that!
It's 29c here, sunny with a gentle breeze coming off the sea.
Wish you were here!   ;D   

Great photo's David.
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Post by: Peter Hastings on October 30, 2008, 09:02:41 am
Here is one I took of the green whilst hunting for breakfast,
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on October 30, 2008, 09:09:51 am
Hi Peter, I like the photo tag line. Mum's camera. I hope you have returned it.

 :)
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Post by: purplerain on October 30, 2008, 10:58:11 am
Going back to the point about compensation - how do we claim our £50?
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: James Bentall on October 30, 2008, 11:25:34 am
and also the lack of press coverage - not a mention on Heart this morning...


We did make the dizzy heights of CBBC's newsround last night - if you are quick and live in the UK you can see one of their reporters in Gobians who interviewed some of the local kids as well. The snow report is towards the end of the broadcast.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00f7j5m/Newsround_29102008/
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Birch on October 30, 2008, 01:36:11 pm
Did I miss something on Tues evening - I live in WG and our power glitched a few times but didn't go off - we lost cable TV for about an hour. Was there a powercut in WG, did it depend upon your power suppler? Confused???  ???
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Angel on October 30, 2008, 03:45:48 pm
Thanks for posting that James - Ricky who did the report is a local resident (and a member of this forum)
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Post by: rexace on October 30, 2008, 09:29:48 pm
My first post, with some pictures taken in the snow, links to larger versions.

(http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v55/rexace/th_bradmoregreen.jpg)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v55/rexace/bradmoregreen.jpg

(http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v55/rexace/th_holsteinscollege.jpg)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v55/rexace/holsteinscollege.jpg

(http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v55/rexace/th_holsteinsinsnow.jpg)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v55/rexace/holsteinsinsnow.jpg

(http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v55/rexace/th_collegefields.jpg)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v55/rexace/collegefields.jpg

(http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v55/rexace/th_iciclesonpath.jpg)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v55/rexace/iciclesonpath.jpg
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Post by: Editor on October 30, 2008, 09:32:32 pm
Hi Rexace, welcome to the forum and thanks for such great pictures.

David
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: chicken legs on October 30, 2008, 11:00:27 pm
Hi Birch - the cut was not the whole of Welham Green.  Holloways Lane was out but Bulls Lane wasn't.

Can anyone answer the question of how to claim compensation please.  Can a claim be made if the cut is more than 18 hours?
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Angel on October 30, 2008, 11:40:29 pm
Hi Birch - the cut was not the whole of Welham Green.  Holloways Lane was out but Bulls Lane wasn't.

Can anyone answer the question of how to claim compensation please.  Can a claim be made if the cut is more than 18 hours?


I don't know if this is of any help:
Read here (http://www.edfenergy.com/products-services/networks/customer-services/standards-of-service.shtml)
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Local Walker on October 31, 2008, 10:33:03 am

We did make the dizzy heights of CBBC's newsround last night - if you are quick and live in the UK you can see one of their reporters in Gobians who interviewed some of the local kids as well. The snow report is towards the end of the broadcast.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00f7j5m/Newsround_29102008/


This link seems no longer to be available
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: James Bentall on October 31, 2008, 10:37:52 am
No, it wouldn't be - they only keep it online for 24 hours after the show (hence the 'you've got to be quick' bit ...) sorry1
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: chicken legs on October 31, 2008, 07:25:26 pm
Thanks, Angel.  It only mentions "during normal weather", but I'll have a go.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Peter Hastings on November 01, 2008, 10:39:44 am
Hi Peter, I like the photo tag line. Mum's camera. I hope you have returned it.

 :)

You got me. There was you thinking I was a real pro when in fact I dont own my own camera!  :)
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Alex on November 14, 2008, 05:16:02 pm
 :o

The recent power cut which for some of us was 23 hours,  was a disaster and caused a great deal inconvenience and  of expense to some sorting out (say) burglar alarms!

I am reliably informed that we are to receive a letter from the cable company, advising us that we are to get a £50 credit as recompense.

Make sure that you get this!
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Local Walker on November 23, 2008, 10:07:01 pm
I have heard that it has been snowing again but as right now i am not in the local area. Has this happened and if so how has it been?
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Post by: John_fraser on November 23, 2008, 10:43:44 pm
It snowed a little last night, but only a light dusting. It turned to rain at about 10am and no sign of snow since.
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Post by: Custard on January 26, 2009, 02:12:18 pm
Did anyone receive the £50 due?
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Post by: chicken legs on January 26, 2009, 11:09:49 pm
Funnily enough, I received my cheque this morning.
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Post by: sharks on January 27, 2009, 07:17:39 pm
Any chance of letting us all know how you did it?  We could all be £50 better off!  Thanks in anticiaption.
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Post by: chicken legs on January 27, 2009, 08:55:06 pm
I have two telephone numbers - can't remember the exact sequence as I was passed from one to the other. 

Customer Relations EDF - 0800 0284587 They gave me a reference and I think they were the ones who had a record of all the cuts and were able to confirm that our property had suffered a cut of more than 18 hours.

0845 6014516

We buy our gas and electricity from British Gas and these were the numbers which worked for us.

The cheque came from EDF Energy Networks plc

Good luck
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Post by: James Bentall on February 01, 2009, 09:01:35 pm
As normal when snow is forecast, I have put the webcam back online. Although the picture is a bit rubbish during nighttime, if you log on tomorrow during the day you should be able to see how snowy the village is looking

http://www.brookmans.com/webcam.php

James
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Post by: Editor on February 01, 2009, 10:15:54 pm
Hi all,

Please use this thread to post any new information about closures of roads, rail, flights, schools, businesses etc due to the snow.

We hope, as usual, the community can all use the forum to pool information about the situation over the next few days.

Thanks

David

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Post by: John_fraser on February 02, 2009, 06:23:28 am
First Capital Connect have the the following on the web site:

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Customer Alert

Snowfall in London and the South East affecting First Capital Connect Services, update at 06.00 hrs, Monday 2 February, 2009. A very rescricted service is operating, please see below for details. CUSTOMERS ARE ADVISED NOT TO TRAVEL UNLESS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY.

With more snow forecast this afternoon that's enough for me to work from home :)
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Post by: James Bentall on February 02, 2009, 06:33:04 am
Brookmans Park School have been in touch to let us know that the school is CLOSED today.
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Post by: southbury on February 02, 2009, 07:06:11 am
If only work was closed ... fisrt train in was on time !
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Post by: mungroo on February 02, 2009, 07:09:04 am
Little Heath Primary also closed

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Post by: mannyd on February 02, 2009, 07:21:25 am
Brookmans Park school?? James - are you talking about the primary or Chancellors??
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Post by: mungroo on February 02, 2009, 07:21:55 am
Southbury - good luck with getting back !
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Post by: James Bentall on February 02, 2009, 07:24:45 am
Brookmans Park school?? James - are you talking about the primary or Chancellors??

Both. We have heard from staff from both schools.
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Post by: Mermaid on February 02, 2009, 07:35:02 am
Does anyone know about Owen's? There's nothing on their website yet ..........
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Post by: Mermaid on February 02, 2009, 07:56:10 am
Mount Grace has a sensible message on their home page saying the school is closed and giving ideas of the school work that their pupils could be getting on with.

Still nothing from Owen's ........
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Post by: Kate Jones on February 02, 2009, 08:07:38 am
Owens is open!


I've just phoned and the Heads decision is to open and pupils make it in the best way they can!

There are no buses. Personally I'm not taking my Daughter in.

Kate
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Post by: Kate Jones on February 02, 2009, 08:12:53 am
My Daughter has just phoned a few of her friends and they are not going in - don't blame them.

The weather is forecast to get worse later in the day so we may get them there but we've got to get them back again.

Kate
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Post by: James Bentall on February 02, 2009, 08:19:44 am
Owens is open!


I've just phoned and the Heads decision is to open and pupils make it in the best way they can!

There are no buses. Personally I'm not taking my Daughter in.

Kate

Their website is saying the school is shut.

http://www.school-portal.co.uk/Grouphomepage.asp?GroupId=35578

James
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Post by: Phil_Holm on February 02, 2009, 08:20:21 am
Right that's it then.  Called all my staff and given them the day off.  

www.Kestronics.co.uk (http://www.Kestronics.co.uk) is closed today.

We're off to Gobions for some fun !

Already got a snowman in the back garden.

Just about to go into the summerhouse to get the sledge.

Yippee !!

Phil
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Post by: Kate Jones on February 02, 2009, 08:22:41 am
Owens closed!!! Stay in!

The Head has apologised for late decision.

Kate


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Post by: southbury on February 02, 2009, 09:39:28 am
Guys .. are the trains still running - anyone travelled in recently ?
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Post by: mannyd on February 02, 2009, 09:44:40 am
some trains going past my garden - not exactly packed!!
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Post by: Editor on February 02, 2009, 09:49:35 am
Thanks to everyone for keeping the site updated, and to James for managing the information on the front page. I am in Washington and due to fly home tonight, unless the flight is cancelled.  A reminder that there are several useful links on the front page of this site (http://www.brookmans.com/) and in the item  about the disruption (http://www.brookmans.com/news/february09/snow_warning_for_South_East.shtml).

David
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Post by: Angel on February 02, 2009, 10:00:54 am
Guys .. are the trains still running - anyone travelled in recently ?

My daughter got in to work by train in London but I think she is leaving soon to come back.
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Post by: ADM on February 02, 2009, 10:03:17 am
The 08:57 was on time at BP but the journey took 15 minutes longer than normal.

Get to work you lightweights!
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Post by: Editor on February 02, 2009, 10:07:49 am
Thanks to James for setting up the snow cam (http://www.brookmans.com/webcam.php) again.

David
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Post by: Editor on February 02, 2009, 10:46:45 am
Great, just heard my flight from Washington may be diverted to Cardiff. Wonder how they plan to get 400 people from Cardiff to the South East? 
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Post by: Editor on February 02, 2009, 10:58:34 am
Please upload any snow pictures you take today.  You can add them to forum posts by clicking on the additional options tab at the bottom left of the box where you type your message, browsing to the image to attach and uploading it.  Maximum size is 128kb and max number is 10 for each post.

If you need to reduce the size of your images you can use Picnik (http://www.picnik.com/), it is free and safe.

David
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Post by: southbury on February 02, 2009, 11:09:24 am
Get James to send some Scouts with some string , pioneering poles and glue .. they'll get you home !
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Post by: sasquartch on February 02, 2009, 11:18:22 am
Got the 07:57 this morning, running fine. I changed to the Victoria line which was also fine.

Got to Victoria - only to find my meeting cancelled...so had to turn around and come straight back. Train was about 15 minutes late leaving Finsbury Park but still seemed to be working OK.
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Post by: James Bentall on February 02, 2009, 11:43:40 am
Get James to send some Scouts with some string , pioneering poles and glue .. they'll get you home !

James is in school in London. We have 7 staff and 2 kids who have made it in. Having a great time :) although reckon we are probably the only school open in the South East!
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Post by: Editor on February 02, 2009, 11:47:48 am
Well I have just found out my flight from Washington to London is cancelled, which is great because flying home to Cardiff seemed plain daft. Hopefully things will clear by tomorrow so I can get home then.
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Post by: Local Walker on February 02, 2009, 12:22:46 pm
Please upload any snow pictures you take today.  You can add them to forum posts by clicking on the additional options tab at the bottom left of the box where you type your message, browsing to the image to attach and uploading it.  Maximum size is 128kb and max number is 10 for each post.

If you need to reduce the size of your images you can use Picnik (http://www.picnik.com/), it is free and safe.

David

I've found another way of reducing the size of photos. So much for a secret. Simply import into Publisher and save the image. I'm not sure that gets it down to the size limits though


Separately, shouldn't this topic be merged with "Snow and power cuts"?

And it seems like many educational establishments for all ages are closed or on bare minimum
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Post by: Editor on February 02, 2009, 12:34:04 pm

Separately, shouldn't this topic be merged with "Snow and power cuts"?


Yes, I will merge eventually. It's always best to give such an important event a run with its own thread for a time.

As for reducing picture size you may find Picnik (http://www.picnik.com/) creates a better result.

David
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Post by: MC on February 02, 2009, 12:39:40 pm
Well well well a little bit of snow and the old country grinds to a halt yet again. It is literally hard to now imagine being that cold.

9.34 pm here and stillabout 28C. The pool temp is 32.

  :icon_jokercolor:

Wish you all well and hope the snow is at least part fun. Yes I do miss it really.

Mark
Western Australia

PS Phil you only had to get to St Albans. Some of these poor folks have struggled into London. Pull yourself together.  ::)
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Post by: mungroo on February 02, 2009, 02:07:23 pm
Thanks to the moron in the BMW who nearly killed me (and others) in Potters Bar town. You may drive the ultimate driving machine and you may be in perfect harmony with your machine but it doesn't give you the right to drive with total disregard for others in these conditions (or at any other time for that matter).
Plonker.
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Post by: Local Walker on February 02, 2009, 02:12:43 pm
Photos nearby and the photo names are random
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Post by: James Bentall on February 02, 2009, 03:32:17 pm
I've moved the camera around the otherside of the house for a few hours so you can see Oaklands Avenue/Westland Drive instead... I think it looks nicer :)

James
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Post by: John_fraser on February 02, 2009, 03:33:43 pm
Parking doesn't look too bad
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Post by: John_fraser on February 02, 2009, 06:00:46 pm
The Lake. Low quality due to light failing and having to reduce the size to upload it. I'll try to upload more latter.
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Post by: Bob Horrocks on February 02, 2009, 06:01:16 pm
Don't forget to feed the birds!

This view is from Swanley Bar Lane northwards to Gobions Wood.  Not sure about why the picture has a strange appearance - must be due tio the compression.
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Post by: John_fraser on February 02, 2009, 06:15:43 pm
How did Bob manage to upload a 356K picture, but I couldn't upload anything over 128K?
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Post by: James Bentall on February 02, 2009, 06:18:06 pm
Bob's picture is 122k?
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Post by: Mr Green on February 02, 2009, 06:42:00 pm
BP Junior school is closed again tomorrow !

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Post by: John_fraser on February 02, 2009, 07:12:56 pm
Lochinver is also closed tomorrow. I'd have thought all those Chelsea tractors would have come into their own in this weather. 
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Post by: peppermint on February 02, 2009, 07:15:46 pm
Mount Grace is also closed tomorrow - much to the disappointment of my kids.
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Post by: mungroo on February 02, 2009, 07:25:23 pm
...and Little Heath
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Post by: colinr on February 02, 2009, 11:06:29 pm
(http://)
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Post by: Carolyn on February 03, 2009, 01:36:44 am
Even in New Zealand the snow storm for the UK has made the news!  I don't seem to be able to load the web cam now, but will try again when it is day light over there.  Good luck everyone, make a huge snowman in the middle of the green. Have fun
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Post by: southbury on February 03, 2009, 07:07:29 am
Incredibly the 06.08 to Moorgate was on time again .. so give or take the trains are running ok ...
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Post by: James Bentall on February 03, 2009, 08:15:56 am
Sunrise over Western Brookmans Park....

(http://www.brookmans.com/images/sunrise.jpg)

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Post by: John_fraser on February 03, 2009, 10:10:35 am
7:00 never turned up and the 7:28 was late :( My mood was lifted by the 5' snowman on the platform. At least I assume it was a snowman and not a commuter let down by the 6:30 train.
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Post by: Angel on February 03, 2009, 10:52:07 am
LOL!!  :)

Grant Shapps has put a picture on his twitter page (I think that's where it is!) and hope he posts it here as well
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Post by: Phil_Holm on February 03, 2009, 01:12:15 pm
Hi MC - nice to hear from you.  Glad you're still enjoying the weather in Perth WA.  2 Seasons - Hot and Hotter isn't it?

Managed to struggle the 10 miles to St.Albans this morning - although I'd rather be where I was yesterday - throwing snowballs and sledging.  Great sence of community over in Gobions yesterday.  Made a light relief from the Credit Crunch and other recession headlines.

Good to give the media something else to discuss - whether we should equip ourselves like Finland, for 2 days of snow.

Phil
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Post by: Grant Shapps MP on February 03, 2009, 02:00:35 pm
>> Grant Shapps has put a picture on his twitter page (I think that's where it is!) and hope he posts it here as well.

Sure. Here's the link folks:
http://www.shapps.com/forum/index.php/topic,4650.msg38255.html#msg38255
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Post by: John_fraser on February 03, 2009, 04:46:02 pm
Snowman Fraser: As built by my children today
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Post by: colinr on February 03, 2009, 05:28:06 pm
Yesterday morning, I didn't have the heart to tell them school was closed!
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Post by: southbury on February 04, 2009, 07:00:45 am
Trains into London seem to be running on time .. 6.08 ran again.
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Post by: Ferdie on February 04, 2009, 07:11:37 pm
BBC TV News report tonight says a number of county councils are running out of salt to treat the roads. One of those counties mentioned was.... Hertfordshire. Clearly the county is ideal for all these extra houses and population... NOT.  The county cannot cope with its present population and infrastructure, so building even more will surely make the situation even worse, but do those in power care? The building will surely go ahead but the infrastructure and funding to maintain it will no doubt be promised, but so was the Hatfield Super Hospital, not closing A&E at QEII, A1(M) widening, regenerating Hatfield Town Centre, a swimming pool to replace that lost at Stanborough, the list is endless....
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Post by: awill on February 05, 2009, 02:20:23 pm
Currently at work near Tower Bridge and it's just raining here and the snow has more or less disappeared. What is happening back in BP - has the snow started to disappear? Just wondering if I face any challenges driving home tonight - the weather updates on the BBC seem contradictory....
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Post by: Editor on February 05, 2009, 02:27:57 pm
Currently at work near Tower Bridge and it's just raining here and the snow has more or less disappeared. What is happening back in BP - has the snow started to disappear? Just wondering if I face any challenges driving home tonight - the weather updates on the BBC seem contradictory....


It's looking fine here at the moment, but the forecast for overnight and tomorrow isn't great.

David
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Post by: Bob on February 05, 2009, 06:09:59 pm
Owl messaging for neighbourhood watch sent out the following message today

Heavy Snowfall Forecast
 

Dear Watch Member,

Police HQ have just announced that heavy snowfall is forecast for the whole of Hertfordshire between the early hours of tomorrow morning (Friday 6th) and tomorrow afternoon. You may wish to make arrangements and take precautions in the event that the forecasters are right.
Regards,
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Post by: saffie on February 06, 2009, 07:04:33 am
Will Brookmans Park school be open today, I am assuming yes, but do not want to make journey if i don't have to.
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Post by: Editor on February 06, 2009, 07:14:54 am
Will Brookmans Park school be open today, I am assuming yes, but do not want to make journey if i don't have to.

Hi Saffie,

James usually receives a text from the schools and updates the sites with information. As soon as the information is in we will update. In the meantime, if anyone else hears anything, please add the information to this thread.

Thanks

David
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Post by: Zdecemt on February 06, 2009, 07:43:16 am
Snow is falling heavily still. If the school is open, i don't know how getting all the kids home is gonna work. I really hope it's closed today, the problems people are having in London look really bad, i don't imagine it's gonna be any better out here...

Z
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Post by: James Bentall on February 06, 2009, 07:47:38 am
I haven't heard anything from any school saying they are closed as yet. I will update the front page and this thread if I hear anything different.

With my other hat on, I am beginning to wonder if this weekend's planned scout camp is a good idea  :icon_jokercolor:
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Post by: Editor on February 06, 2009, 07:49:07 am

With my other hat on, I am beginning to wonder if this weekend's planned scout camp is a good idea 

Haven't you trained them in building igloos yet?

David
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Post by: saffie on February 06, 2009, 07:58:16 am
The school will probably wait till 8.45 to tell anyone again, when most of us are already at the gates!!
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Post by: mannyd on February 06, 2009, 07:59:05 am
Just had text to say staff having trouble getting in - they aim to open at 10am but will advise further at 9am
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Post by: saffie on February 06, 2009, 08:01:31 am
Just phoned and been told the same thing. 
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Post by: James Bentall on February 06, 2009, 08:02:14 am
Just had text to say staff having trouble getting in - they aim to open at 10am but will advise further at 9am

Which school?
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Post by: mannyd on February 06, 2009, 08:07:42 am
Brookmans Park primary - bit like a snow storm outside!!
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Post by: mungroo on February 06, 2009, 08:16:16 am
we just phoned little heath - they are open 'for now'
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Post by: saffie on February 06, 2009, 08:19:25 am
More snow falling than Monday at the moment, can't believe it.
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Post by: Editor on February 06, 2009, 08:19:51 am
For those not in the village, it's snowing really heavily now.

(http://www.brookmans.com/news/february09/snow_scene.jpg)

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Post by: John_fraser on February 06, 2009, 08:23:45 am
Light sleet in central London.
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Post by: Kate Jones on February 06, 2009, 08:25:39 am
Owens is CLOSED - another late deceision. Some kids are already on their way.
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Post by: Kate Jones on February 06, 2009, 08:30:05 am
I really do know how to spell 'decision' - typo
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Post by: Editor on February 06, 2009, 08:41:28 am
Pupils returning home from Chancellor's saying Pine Grove is gridelocked with cars with hazard lights on and the school told them 'if you can get home, go home'.
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Post by: Greybeard on February 06, 2009, 08:59:25 am
Mount Grace opened but have just said on the phone that they have now decided to close.
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Post by: James Bentall on February 06, 2009, 09:04:48 am
Brookmans Park School is now closed due to insufficient staff making it in. Lochinver is also closed.
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Post by: mungroo on February 06, 2009, 09:10:02 am
just took the kids to little heath - it's open.
be very careful though - cars a sliding all over the place on A1000 and Hawkshead road - looks very dangerous. Seems to be a slushy sort of ice on the roads which have had absolutely no grit
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Post by: Greybeard on February 06, 2009, 09:13:27 am
That's surprising - just seen a gritting lorry in Calder Avenue.
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Post by: Largey on February 06, 2009, 09:20:08 am
Its probably a "Private" gritting lorry  ;D
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Post by: James Bentall on February 06, 2009, 09:20:33 am
Chancellors School:

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Due to weather conditions Chancellor’s school is now closed. Pupils that are already here will be looked after; parents may collect the children if they wish.
Please note if you are driving Pine Grove is in very poor condition due the snow and ice.
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Post by: Local Walker on February 06, 2009, 12:32:29 pm
I don't think the snow is going to be over soon. More possibly for the weekend and start of next week as well

This is the worst i've seen or have there been any other winters in the UK where it has snowed for over a week? (nearly)
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Post by: Editor on February 06, 2009, 02:52:11 pm
Just in from Welwyn Hatfield Council.

6 February 2009

An update on weather impediment of Welwyn Hatfield services - Friday


Refuse and recycling services will not take place today (Friday 6 February) due to the still treacherous road conditions.  It was hoped that service would recommence today.  Crews began some regularly scheduled Friday collections at 5am this morning in the Brookmans Park area, however, had to be halted at 7am due to renewed snowfall.   

This week's refuse and recycling collections scheduled for Monday through to Friday have, therefore, been suspended.  Dependant upon conditions, crews will begin a double collection from Monday 9 February.  Residents are requested to ensure all uncollected waste is stored within the boundary of their property.   

Serco management has visited areas due for service each day this week at 5am to assess conditions.  Operatives have been maintained in the hope that some service could be provided, however, regrettably this has not been possible.  Due to levels of snow and ice it would have been unwise to dispatch heavy machinery in built up areas, or for operatives to lift and carry on slippery surfaces.

Due to the continuing severe weather, the Meals on Wheels service is once again affected. Meals will still be delivered to clients in most need by volunteer officers from the council including Chief Executive Michel Saminaden and senior officers. Our regular drivers will not be going out today. 

All Meals on Wheels recipients have been contacted and a service is being provided where necessary. A number of meals will be delivered across the borough, mainly to the outlying villages, Potters Bar and Welwyn village.

The council has received no complaints from Meals on Wheels recipients about the suspension of service this week, but has received a number of telephone calls from recipients expressing concern for the wellbeing of Meals on Wheels drivers in the icy conditions.

The council has taken the decision to cancel Hatfield Farmers Market scheduled for Saturday 7 February, due to treacherous conditions in the town centre. 

The decision had to be made today to ensure all suppliers and traders are notified in time to prevent them making any preparations for the market. Though it is envisaged weather conditions will improve there is still compacted ice in the town centre and this is unlikely to clear in time for traders to set up their stalls tomorrow.

The council has invoked previously devised contingency plans this week in order to ensure minimum disruption to council services. Continued updates will be available on the council website, as they have been throughout the week.

ENDS/PR/09/13
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Post by: sasquartch on February 06, 2009, 04:38:45 pm
We had our refuse collected as usual today (Peplins Way), I think they normally come at around 5:30am so probably before conditions worsened.
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Post by: colinr on February 06, 2009, 08:51:34 pm
When I was a child in the mid 1950’s, I remember that my schools in Tottenham (Infants, Juniors and Secondary Modern), only closed on one or two occasion and this was due to a non delivery of fuel for the heating system.

That would be from 1956 to 1969, and we did have some hard winters 1963 in particular. However most of the teacher and pupils lived within walking distance of the schools, and very few needed cars to get there. In fact very few had cars.

Maybe we should go back to that “Business Model”, and not expect parents, pupils and staff to have to travel great distances to get to the “local School”

I am of course envious that I didn’t get any extra time off when I was a lad!!
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Ann on February 07, 2009, 02:04:31 pm
Most people in the Gardens did not use their cars over the bad weather period. Perhaps like me they felt they hemed in.
However, I remember the winter of 63 when as a school girl, the bus on which I was travelling got stuck in the snow in Hawkeshead Rd and we all got out and helped push.
I don't remember any days off school (which was Claregate in Potters Bar) or my father not getting to work in London.
What I do remember was the snow drifts in Hawkshead Rd and the snow which was around for weeks.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Mermaid on December 18, 2009, 01:23:39 pm
It all looked very pretty this morning   :)

Did anyone take any photos they could put up in the forum so that our forum friends overseas can see the snowscene?
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Mermaid on December 19, 2009, 09:45:03 am
Has no-one got any photos?    ???
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: James Bentall on December 19, 2009, 10:25:55 am
I did try to set up the webcam as I normally do when it snows, but I seem to have put the power supply unit in a safe place. D'oh.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on December 21, 2009, 07:42:36 am
Might try to take some pictures today and put them on the site for all our overseas visitors.  I would have done it earlier, but I have been away skiing in Italy for a week. David
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: southbury on December 21, 2009, 07:54:56 am
Just a question , not a rant ..
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: southbury on December 21, 2009, 07:57:29 am
oops .. hit ' return' by mistake.

Is it the responsibility of either W & H or the Parish Council to clear the ice from the pavements outside the shops ? We have so many pensioners locally ( who support our shops and services) surely it's only a matter of time before someone takes a nasty tumble ?
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Aloo on December 21, 2009, 10:47:11 am
I don't think either the County or District Council has a responsibility to clear minor roads or pathways.

Maybe we should all pitch in, get a bag of salt and spread it around the village centre.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: PS on December 21, 2009, 10:58:30 am
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I don't think either the County or District Council has a responsibility to clear minor roads or pathways.
No but that doesn't prevent them from collecting Council Tax from the residents of these minor roads though !!
Does anyone have any idea as to the extent of the Councils' responsibilty relating to these minor roads or pathways ?
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: James Bentall on December 21, 2009, 11:12:57 am
I don't think either the County or District Council has a responsibility to clear minor roads or pathways.

Maybe we should all pitch in, get a bag of salt and spread it around the village centre.

One of the shopkeepers told me that they couldn't do that. If someone slips and falls on icy pavements it is seen as an act of God. If someone slips and galls where someone has made an effort to clear it, that person may be liable....

I can well imagine that being the case, although would be happy to be proved wrong!
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Bob Horrocks on December 21, 2009, 11:53:52 am
Is it the responsibility of either W & H or the Parish Council to clear the ice from the pavements outside the shops ?

Not a parish council responsibility. 

I think that Herts Highways keeps bus routes clear but that is all.  Most likely for the same reason that shop keepers worry about liability. 

In this season of goodwill to all, may I thank the legal profession, judges, and polititions for creating the wonderful world we now live in where people are terrified of being sued for doing anything and nothing.   
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Angel on December 21, 2009, 12:06:07 pm
Yesterday afternoon, I was walking round Peplins and saw a car spin 180o.  Fortunately there was nothing parked nearby.

Today along Mymms saw a woman in a 4x4 driving and chatting on her mobile - the road wasn't icy but still unbelievable  ???
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: PS on December 21, 2009, 12:19:22 pm
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Today along Mymms saw a woman in a 4x4 driving and chatting on her mobile - the road wasn't icy but still unbelievable
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Oh my God - don't get me started on those women driving the 4 x 4s !!! Check out my earlier posts on those driving these tanks !!!

But I must say - how irresponsible is that !! 
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Aloo on December 21, 2009, 02:37:53 pm
Serco missed the bin collections in parts of Woolmer Green and Knebworth so are working to clear pathways in WGC today.

Serco missed BP rubbish collection on Friday, but to my knowledge haven't been working in the village to clear pathways.   I've sent an email to the Council asking that Serco treat BP equally and get out an clear our village centre.

If anyone else wishes to contact the Council the email address is.... contact-WHC(at)welhat.gov.uk or 01707 357000.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Local Walker on December 21, 2009, 09:29:25 pm
Check out my earlier posts on those driving these tanks !!!

But I must say - how irresponsible is that !!  

There are tanks in the area? How comes i haven't seen any?

Fresh snow today this evening and you can just hear a theme such as those played on clips for slow drivers and seemed pretty solid
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: John_fraser on December 21, 2009, 09:39:38 pm
So, no bins emptied, no recycling collected, no gritters on Bluebridge Road or the A1000. What do we pay our council tax for?
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: PS on December 22, 2009, 05:01:54 am
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There are tanks in the area? How comes i haven't seen any
?

C'mon LW - those huge 4 x 4 's driven by whom some would call "the BP posers" - highly irresponsible considering the size, and emmissions these monstrosities give out. May our beloved Chancellor tax them even more heavily come the next Budget.

 
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What do we pay our council tax for?

Well very true, but as pointed out by Bob Horrocks, any attempts by the reponsible public to make it safer, could only result in a lawsuit against you.

Yep - what a society we've created for ourselves eh ? 

Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: sasquartch on December 22, 2009, 09:44:08 am

What do we pay our council tax for?


Well actually lots of things.

The problem is that everyone wants to pay as little council tax as possible so the council only has a certain budget to go round. I'm not defending the council at all, just playing devil's advocate, but would we all be happy to pay, say an additional £10-20 a year for improved gritting etc when some years it might not even snow at all ?

My suggestion for what it's worth would be to install grit bins on every road where practical so residents themselves could treat any especially dangerous pathes or roads. It would of course require a bit of community spirit, something hopefully that is still in existence in BP, and it shouldn't cost a huge amount to run, there would be the entire summer to replenish the bins. See http://www.cumbria.gov.uk/roads-transport/highways-pavements/highway-maintenance/wintermaintenance/saltbinsforcumbria.asp (http://www.cumbria.gov.uk/roads-transport/highways-pavements/highway-maintenance/wintermaintenance/saltbinsforcumbria.asp)


(Note: Edited only to fix quote box)

Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on December 22, 2009, 10:42:56 am
The guys doing our roof raised an interesting point when we had a natter over a cup of tea this morning.

One pointed out that when he was a lad they would be calling door-to-door with shovels and spades and offering to clear drives for sixpence. We figured that enterprising youths could ask £5 a drive and pavement these days. 20 drives a day would bring in £100. 

And before any young people knock on my door, I did mine this morning.

:)
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: stevea on December 22, 2009, 10:57:39 am
Hi David - When I was a kid, I charged one pound for a standard drive and three pounds for an in and out...
that would have been late 60's/early70's... :)
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: PS on December 22, 2009, 11:00:49 am
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What do we pay our council tax for?

Please note Sasquartch - FYI the quote was taken from a point by John Fraser - not me !!!

Re : David's suggestion of the little lads shovelling snow of the drives. Great idea - but unfortunately, in todays paranoid society and the imported American culture of "sue whatever & whenever it moves" would render this a great risk. I wouldn't fancy the idea of having to fork out a mortgage for half my house because some postman or whoever slips and twists his little finger !!!

Best leave that one alone.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: PS on December 22, 2009, 11:03:47 am
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Hi David - When I was a kid, I charged one pound for a standard drive and three pounds for an in and out...
that would have been late 60's/early70's... 


You wouldn't be able to do that in todays enviroment however.

Also at those prices I'm not surprised if you got turfed away several times !!!
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: stevea on December 22, 2009, 11:22:11 am
PS - I did really well out of it....and not just that...I used to collect golfballs and beer bottles, mow and rotovate gardens, do up old pushbikes and....breed and sell ferrets and polecats!! Now beat that!  Oh, and I forgot to mention, hedge cutting, washing cars and I worked in a warehouse on a Saturday..they paid me four quid! I was never short of a few bob when I was a kid...and guess how much I gave the taxman...nothing!!  ;D
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: PS on December 22, 2009, 11:42:53 am
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and guess how much I gave the taxman...nothing!!
 

You wouldn't have to have given the taxman anything anyway - you wouldn't have earned sufficient enough to cover your Personal Allowance !!! :D
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: stevea on December 22, 2009, 11:58:02 am
PS - I forgot another thing, I also did milk rounds in PB....what did you do?

Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: John_fraser on December 22, 2009, 12:00:23 pm
sasquartch,

you say "lots of things", but at the moment I am struggling to see what they are. Waste collection is probably the service I depend on the most, possibly followed by keeping the roads clear. After that, what do I get? Cutting the grass in the park is the Parish Council's responsibility and I don't use Hatfield Swimming center much at all and almost never go to Goslings. Yes I want to pay a little as possible, but the tax is going up faster tan inflation and the service continually gets worse.

Last night we had tickets to the Chicken Shed. We braved the snow and ice on Bluebridge Road and Hawkshead Lane. We figured the gritters would be out before we returned and there was no way the A1000 would remain ungritted. How wrong we were. There was no grit on the A1000 and as a result the traffic was at a total standstill. We waited 15 minutes in stationary traffic before giving up and going home. These were not extreme conditions and the snow was expected but we are £80 out of pocket because of this council's total incompetence.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: PS on December 22, 2009, 12:10:14 pm
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PS - I forgot another thing, I also did milk rounds in PB....what did you do?

Paper rounds,worked in bars,pulled chicken guts out in the local factory, worked for a crisp factory, read electric meters, worked in a lab. When doing 'O' and "A" levels, worked every evening Mon to Thurs between 6.00 and 10.00 pm in a local bread factory and then studied afterwards till gone 2.00 am. Then at university every holiday worked for up to 12 hours per day to pay for following Uni year and sufficient monies left over to bum round Europe every summer backpacking. Obtained 10 "O" [all old grade ratings 1 and 2's] and 4"A' levels [A's & B's] and a 2.1 degree.

Enough for you ??   
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: stevea on December 22, 2009, 12:16:40 pm
PS - I was talking about when I was 10 or 11.....
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on December 22, 2009, 12:19:58 pm
Last night we had tickets to the Chicken Shed. We braved the snow and ice on Bluebridge Road and Hawkshead Lane. We figured the gritters would be out before we returned and there was no way the A1000 would remain ungritted. How wrong we were. There was no grit on the A1000 and as a result the traffic was at a total standstill. We waited 15 minutes in stationary traffic before giving up and going home.

Hi John,

Just seen a tweet that says gritters kept Hertfordshire moving.

http://twitter.com/experterra/statuses/6927025457 (http://twitter.com/experterra/statuses/6927025457)

E-mail them and give them a piece of your mind.

 ;)

David

Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: PS on December 22, 2009, 12:30:49 pm
Most probably the snow came earlier than expected for the Council to be sufficiently prepared for the "snow onslaught" !!

John Fraser - Why don't you write to the Council and demand your 80 pounds back ? In fact, what is there to prevent you taking out a small claims County Court summonses against them ? I am sure they would have no hesitation in fining you if they catch you red-handed not placing the right coloured bottle into the right slot when it comes to re-cycling, for example !!!

Any Legal Opinions on why such  course of action as a small claims summonse would not work ?
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: PS on December 22, 2009, 01:31:41 pm
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PS - I was talking about when I was 10 or 11.....


Did they send you up the chimneys as well ??? :o
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on December 22, 2009, 04:04:39 pm
I have added a short video shot during a walk around Gobions Pond this afternoon. Sorry for the shaking, I was shivering.

 :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfydFxbJh-k (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfydFxbJh-k)

(Note: the video has just been uploaded and is still being processed. The quality will improve - but not the shaking - shortly.)

David
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Mermaid on December 22, 2009, 04:34:01 pm
Thanks Dave, that's lovely   :D
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: PS on December 22, 2009, 04:53:39 pm
Lovely video - reminds me of the places where I take the dog for a walk when back home.

Good one  ;)
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: John_fraser on December 22, 2009, 06:14:30 pm
I see see the gritters have failed to visit Bluebridge Avenue too. It looks like an ice rinc
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: stevea on December 22, 2009, 07:46:11 pm
David - great video....ideal weather for ferreting  :)

Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: PS on December 23, 2009, 06:55:00 am
How are those gritters getting on ? Is it possible that they are both (a) overstretched and (b) have run out of grit ? And what if any, provisions have been made to cover the Xmas holiday period as all will be on vacation ?
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Buster on December 23, 2009, 08:50:06 am
I see see the gritters have failed to visit Bluebridge Avenue too. It looks like an ice rinc

They have never gritted Bluebridge Avenue - just the main road.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Mermaid on December 23, 2009, 08:57:52 am
Lovely video - reminds me of the places where I take the dog for a walk when back home.

Not a North Mymms resident then PS? Where is 'home'?
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Aloo on December 23, 2009, 09:24:54 am
Herts County Council has responsibility for salting the roads.    Have a look at www.hertsdirect.org/salting, at includes the name of the Cllrs responsible for the highways, and you can also check which roads they say they will salt and which of the roads listed is a priority.  

The webmap includes a list of salt bins.  BP doesn't have any bins listed whereas other places have lots.   If we had a salt bin in the village, at least we could clear the pathways. I've complained about this, and suggest others do the same
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: colinr on December 23, 2009, 09:27:42 am
I have added a short video shot during a walk around Gobions Pond this afternoon. Sorry for the shaking, I was shivering.

 :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfydFxbJh-k (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfydFxbJh-k)

(Note: the video has just been uploaded and is still being processed. The quality will improve - but not the shaking - shortly.)

David

Hey Dave,
Great Video, I have an idea.
To show our appreciation of all the hard work you put into the BP website.
Can I suggest that all forum members club together and buy you a tripod.
I will start this off by pledging £10.00.
Colin ;D
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Mermaid on December 23, 2009, 09:36:43 am
It's not a tripod he needs, it's a 'steadycam'.

Perhaps some thermals too .........   ;D
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: PS on December 23, 2009, 09:44:57 am
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Not a North Mymms resident then PS? Where is 'home'?

Well Mermaid - actually I am - for 3 months of the year when not working.

Pity I will have missed the snow though - sounds like there is some real "grit" paranoia gripping the locals there.

Talking of which, have there been any further "Gritters' seen out on the roads this morning ? 
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Mermaid on December 23, 2009, 10:11:48 am

Well Mermaid - actually I am - for 3 months of the year when not working.

But where? Brookmans Park, Welham Green? Little Heath? It's just that you said "reminds me of the places where I take the dog for a walk when back home", which makes it sound as if you live elsewhere.

No gritters spotted on local roads.




(note: edited only to fix quote box)
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: PS on December 23, 2009, 10:46:25 am
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But where?

Mermaid - home & house in WG for 25 years - workwise - anywhere it takes me - currently a Sub Saharan country. I may even be a Traveller !!!!!LOL

And you ? Maybe I've seen you walk your dog on Gobians too !!

Now back to the topic - and yes, David's video does remind me of home, and the splendour and glory of a snow filled Gobions that brings tears to my eyes. I remember one year taking the dog for a walk and never seen him so happy, and bewildered at the same time.

So despite all our rants and raves about lack of grit on the roads, and other snow related problems, so fervently expressed on this site, one must never lose sight of the the fact that such a spectacle is indeed a rare sight, and we must perhaps all embellish the true marvel of nature as opposed to criticise it.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Buster on December 23, 2009, 10:48:41 am

One of the shopkeepers told me that they couldn't do that. If someone slips and falls on icy pavements it is seen as an act of God. If someone slips and galls where someone has made an effort to clear it, that person may be liable....

I can well imagine that being the case, although would be happy to be proved wrong!

Not according to the Herts CC website which says:

I’d like to clear snow from the footpath outside my home; can I be sued if someone injures themselves on the section I’ve cleared?

The legality of this issue is as follows:

If the footpath or highway is adopted and maintained by Hertfordshire Highways; you are allowed to clear it if you wish. Salt bins are provided for this purpose and you will not be held responsible if someone injures themselves.

However, if the footpath is your own, or is on land you own (for example, your driveway, patio or pathway) it is not classified as a highway adopted by Hertfordshire Highways, you as the owner of that footpath are liable if anyone injures themselves on it.

[edited only to fix quote box]
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: PS on December 23, 2009, 11:02:45 am
Thank you Buster - this is what I suspected was the case.

Shame really - means the wife will get away with doing a fair bit of shovelling !!!
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on December 23, 2009, 11:04:57 am
Can I suggest that all forum members club together and buy you a tripod.
I will start this off by pledging £10.00.
Colin ;D

Hi Colin, thanks, but I have a mini tripod. Cost £3.99. Trouble is the shots are all about five seconds, so it would take ages setting up. I think wearing thermals is the solution.

:-)

Dave
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Mary_Morgan on December 23, 2009, 06:16:37 pm
Dave - Great video, thanks.   Memory has gone for how long ago it was that I last walked round Gobions in the snow. 

Homesick a little bit because I do like snow, but the ole bones certainly like the warmth and sunshine here.    About 10 days ago we had the equivalent to your snowfall in rainfall.   Flooded Abu Dhabi and the the rest of the Emirates is quite a sight. 

PS - me - lady driver of a 4x4 was certainly pleased to have a vehicle with more road clearance in the flood water.   BTW, unlike a lot of people (more often gentlemen than ladies) I never use my mobile when driving.

Seasons Greetings to everyone.

M
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: PS on December 24, 2009, 06:01:34 am
Yes - once again David, thanks for a great video.

Mary Morgan - I am sure the 4 x 4 is very suitable for that part of the world - as opposed to BP. However, I wish far less people would use them going into Dubai - as I am sure you know the traffic choas that place has become. A little car downsizing could help for sure.

May I take the opportunity of wishing everyone a very Merry Xmas.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on December 30, 2009, 07:04:45 am
Herts CC warning of more snow in the county, but say the gritters are working round the clock to keep the roads safe.

http://www.hertsdirect.org/15682161 (http://www.hertsdirect.org/15682161)
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Buster on January 04, 2010, 12:22:54 pm
The webmap includes a list of salt bins.  BP doesn't have any bins listed whereas other places have lots.   If we had a salt bin in the village, at least we could clear the pathways. I've complained about this, and suggest others do the same
[/quote]

I complained and received a reply (below) - just need to wait and see:
Thank you for your email. Please be advised that I have logged a request for a salt bin in Bluebridge Avenue, Brookmans Park on our system under reference 1516317. The Area Engineer will assess whether a salt bin can be put in the requested location.

Please do not hesitate to contact us if you have any further queries.

Kind regards

Michelle Warner

Support Officer
Mid Herts Area Office


Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on January 06, 2010, 06:47:42 am
Please add all snow related news here.

Note: For those new to this forum, please scroll down to the bottom of this thread and hit reply if you have valuable information to add.  If you don't have an account, registration is free of charge. Click here to register (http://www.brookmans.com/forum/index.php?action=register).

Thanks

David
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on January 06, 2010, 06:48:42 am
Brookmans Park Primary School is closed today because of snow.

Source: Text from the chair of governors.

David
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on January 06, 2010, 06:52:45 am
Chancellor's School is closed today because of snow.

Source: A teacher

David
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on January 06, 2010, 06:57:11 am
Bishop’s Hatfield Girls’ closed today because of snow.

Pope Paul Primary School in Potters Bar has said it will open late, at 10.30am, due to the snow.

Source: Welwyn Hatfield Times (http://www.whtimes.co.uk/news/snow_causes_school_closures_across_hertfordshire_1_35080?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed)

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In Times Territory, the following schools are closed:

* Applecroft, WGC

* Bishop’s Hatfield Girls’

* De Havilland, Hatfield

* Holwell, WGC

* Howe Dell, Hatfield

* Sir Frederic Obsorn, WGC

* Stanborough, WGC

* Templewood, WGC

Meanwhile, Pope Paul Primary School in Potters Bar has said it will open late, at 10.30am, due to the snow.

Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on January 06, 2010, 07:06:33 am
First Capital Connect trains southbound

James just sent a text from Finsbury Park to confirm that the trains are getting through.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Mermaid on January 06, 2010, 07:56:09 am
Dame Alice Owens is closed.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: chicken legs on January 06, 2010, 08:55:50 am
North Mymms St Mary's is closed.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on January 06, 2010, 10:30:33 am
A short video of the snow earlier today - it's been snowing non-stop since.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJUlk97b32g (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJUlk97b32g)
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on January 06, 2010, 01:04:53 pm
We are out of salt

Just in via email from Welwyn Hatfield Council

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“The snowfall in Welwyn Hatfield today (6 January) has followed widespread snow throughout the country.  As a consequence Hertfordshire County Council is no longer in a position to provide us with salt, because it is expected that main salt stocks will fall under Government control imminently.  

Welwyn Hatfield Borough Council only has a very limited supply of salt, which is for the clearance of our priority areas, including sheltered accommodation, as defined in our snow plan.  We will continue to salt our priority areas, but it will not be possible to do any significant, additional salting of town centre areas.

Roads and pavements remain the responsibility of Hertfordshire County Council.”

The good news is that the snow plough has been down Bluebridge.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: JLC on January 06, 2010, 01:07:21 pm
Lochinver House School has a message on its website.  See:

http://www.lochinverhouse.herts.sch.uk/headlines/Snow_Conditions_-_7th_January.php (http://www.lochinverhouse.herts.sch.uk/headlines/Snow_Conditions_-_7th_January.php) 
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on January 06, 2010, 02:16:16 pm
For those heading home the snow is falling really heavily now in Brookmans Park and sticking.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: saffie on January 06, 2010, 02:47:03 pm
When will we know the school situation for tomorrow?  I assume if things carry on or at leat stay the same there will be no schools tomorrow??

Any info on St Marys and Brookmans Park would be helpful.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Mary_Morgan on January 06, 2010, 03:11:18 pm
David,  Love the video, thanks.   Must admit to be just a little bit envious.

Mary
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on January 06, 2010, 03:14:31 pm
Hi Mary, glad you like it. Just about to do an update to show those heading home the conditions. The snow has just stopped.

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Post by: Editor on January 06, 2010, 03:43:10 pm
An updated video to show those driving home the conditions at 3pm on Wednesday 6 January 2010.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oi18lI0__Zo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oi18lI0__Zo)
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Post by: chicken legs on January 06, 2010, 05:34:08 pm
When will we know the school situation for tomorrow?  I assume if things carry on or at leat stay the same there will be no schools tomorrow??

Any info on St Marys and Brookmans Park would be helpful.

North Mymms St Mary's will be closed tomorrow.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: nosbod25 on January 06, 2010, 06:09:58 pm
Do you know if Chancellors School is open tomorrow (7th)? or is it too dangerous for parents to drive there? 
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on January 06, 2010, 06:35:51 pm
A gritter has just gone up Moffats, which is nice.
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Post by: saffie on January 06, 2010, 06:41:47 pm
Surely someone associated with BP Primary must have an idea if they are going to open tomorrow.

Anyone????
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Post by: James Bentall on January 06, 2010, 06:42:24 pm
We have just been contacted by the Chair of Governors to inform us that Brookmans Park School is definately closed tomorrow, Thursday 7th January. No news from Chancellors as yet. I will post a message if we hear anything.
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Post by: Phil_Holm on January 06, 2010, 06:44:19 pm
Do you know if Chancellors School is open tomorrow (7th)? or is it too dangerous for parents to drive there? 

No Decision has been made yet.

It's more a case of whether the buses can get up Pine Grove, and also whether the teachers - some of whom are not local - can get in.

Most people I've spoken to seen to suggest that most of the roads are fine, it's just the local roads that are still icy / snowy.

Phil
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Post by: nosbod25 on January 06, 2010, 06:52:12 pm
We have just been contacted by the Chair of Governors to inform us that Brookmans Park School is definately closed tomorrow, Thursday 7th January. No news from Chancellors as yet. I will post a message if we hear anything.

Surely if Brookmans Park is closed, Chancellors is. Chancellors is on a hill, Brookmans Park is on a small road where most pupils are local?
To be honest it is too dangerous to drive in these conditions. :)
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Post by: James Bentall on January 06, 2010, 07:34:58 pm
According to Staff, Chancellors and Mount Grace are both shut tomorrow (Thurs 7th Jan)
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Post by: Phil_Holm on January 06, 2010, 07:44:38 pm
yep Chancellors is definitely closed 7th Jan.

Phil
Chair of Governors
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Post by: Mr Green on January 06, 2010, 08:29:12 pm
Do you know if Chancellors School is open tomorrow (7th)? or is it too dangerous for parents to drive there?  

Have you considered walking?
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Post by: Mr Green on January 06, 2010, 08:50:11 pm
Can you imagine any of the following?

•   There’s no BBC weather report in the morning because the BBC staff failed to turn up for work.
•   The television doesn’t even come on because the Nation Grid staff couldn’t get in.
•   Neither the police, fire nor ambulance service are on duty.
•   Elderly or otherwise vulnerable people are without care as key home services (meals on wheels etc) fail to attend their needs.

How about,

•   All schools closed.

Why is it teachers can’t negotiate the same roads everyone else has to (often at far more challenging times of the day).
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Post by: Mermaid on January 06, 2010, 08:52:42 pm
Dame Alice Owens is preparing to open on Thursday 7th, but parents have been asked to check the status on www.hertsdirect.org (http://www.hertsdirect.org) at 7.15am
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Post by: colinr on January 06, 2010, 10:50:37 pm

Why is it teachers can’t negotiate the same roads everyone else has to (often at far more challenging times of the day).

There was a discussion on Radio 5 Live earlier today about this very subject.

It appears that health and safety of the pupils is the guiding factor and the decision is made by the Head Teacher.

It’s not necessarily that  the staff can’t get into work.
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Post by: Little Miss Elaine Moffat on January 06, 2010, 11:01:51 pm
This might help

A link from Hertfordshire County Council's website

You can check to see if your school is open or closed on this website

http://www.imodus.com/summary.aspx?company=99 (http://www.imodus.com/summary.aspx?company=99)
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Post by: Editor on January 07, 2010, 07:00:28 am
This might help

A link from Hertfordshire County Council's website

You can check to see if your school is open or closed on this website

http://www.imodus.com/summary.aspx?company=99 (http://www.imodus.com/summary.aspx?company=99)

Good link, thanks....

So a recap

Note: The information taken from the Herts Co Co website and published below is correct as of 07:24 on Thursday 7 January. Parents must check the links below to make sure nothing has changed since this post was made.

School = Brookmans Park Primary
Status = Closed
Source = Chair of governors & Herts Co Co (http://www.imodus.com/summary.aspx?company=99)

School = Chancellor's
Status = Closed
Source = Chair of governors & Herts Co Co (http://www.imodus.com/summary.aspx?company=99)

School = Mount Grace
Status = Closed
Source = This forum & Herts Co Co (http://www.imodus.com/summary.aspx?company=99)

School = Little Heath
Status = Closed
Source = Herts Co Co (http://www.imodus.com/summary.aspx?company=99)

School = St Mary's Welham Green
Status = Closed
Source = Herts Co Co (http://www.imodus.com/summary.aspx?company=99)

School = Dame Alice Owen
Status = Open
Source = School Website (http://www.damealiceowens.herts.sch.uk/)

School = Queenswood
Status = Not expecting day girls to attend
Source = Queenswood School site (http://www.queenswood.org/headlines/WEATHER_UPDATE_Girls_may_be_collected_from_4_45pm_tonight.php)

Local schools we still need information for are:

School = Lochinver House
Status = Seems to be open, but parents should check, not sure website has been updated.
Source = Lochinver House site (http://www.lochinverhouse.herts.sch.uk/headlines/Snow_Conditions_-_7th_January.php)

Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on January 07, 2010, 07:30:21 am
This might help

A link from Hertfordshire County Council's website

You can check to see if your school is open or closed on this website

http://www.imodus.com/summary.aspx?company=99 (http://www.imodus.com/summary.aspx?company=99)

Just a warning about the site above. It is important to keep checking the links as the information may be updated during the day.

David
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: southbury on January 07, 2010, 07:50:39 am
I seriously do not understand why the primary school is closed.

We are served by buses and by an EXCELLENT train service .. even the first trains in and out ran according to the (revised) timetable yesterday.

I got up yesterday fully prepared to yomp to Cockfosters or New Barnet if it meant getting into work ... Moorgate by 6.45 am.

How many of the school's staff could not have got in via a combination of a few miles walking and public transport .. even if it did mean a long , difficult and tiring journey ?

We are constantly and quite rightly asked to challenge our children and set them an example and to show them the value of perseverance. What example does it set closing the school as soon as it snows ?

I was at primary school in Goffs Oak in 1978 which, if the press are right ,is the last time that we suffered similar conditions locally. Goffs Oak has no station , had a pitiful bus service and yet the school remained open . To what purpose ? I distictly remeber the Head-master assembling us in the School Hall and then we played games and watched  videos of Rhubarb and Custard and ' Watch' on an original reel-to-reel Video recorder .. I leant nothing at school on those days  other than to .. to get off my back-side and show a bit of back bone when it snowed .

The Head-master travelled in for Brent Pelham in an old Morris Marina .. everyday.

Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Little Miss Elaine Moffat on January 07, 2010, 07:58:15 am
I seriously do not understand why the primary school is closed.



As posted yesterday I think the issue is.....see below (not my words, but a government spokesperson's)

There was a discussion on Radio 5 Live earlier today about this very subject.

It appears that health and safety of the pupils is the guiding factor and the decision is made by the Head Teacher.

It’s not necessarily that  the staff can’t get into work.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: southbury on January 07, 2010, 08:06:36 am
Would it be fair to say that at least 75-80% of the children at the school live within walking distance ( let's call that an hour for the average 8 year old) ?

Get them in .. sit them in the hall .. show them what a bit of hardship , determination and boredom looks like and deliver them one of the best lessons of their lives.

Please don't get me wrong . I love the school , I am  proud to be involved and proud to have my children attend the school . One of the main reasons we moved to BP was the school. It delivers what I believe are standards way ahead of what I received at primary level .. in fact I am amazed at what my 5 and 7 year old can do visa-vie the "3 R's " .. but an education is not all about academic pusruits ..it's about life .



Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: awill on January 07, 2010, 08:39:07 am
Not convinced how wise it will be prove to be for Dame Alice Owen to fly in the face of convention and open today.The ever changing weather forecast has just advised that another band of snow is starting to pass over the home counties and will deliver 2-5cm on the already lying snow and ice. So surely a key part of the thought process for a school opening is not just whether pupils and teachers can get to school, but get home again....
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: GGDT on January 07, 2010, 10:18:45 am
I think the problem here is not the staff getting in but the health and safety implications.

If a child were to slip on the ice in a school playground and injure themselves there is every chance the parents would sue the school.

The schools themselves simply cannot afford to take this risk.

A sad indictment of the society we live in these days.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on January 07, 2010, 10:26:07 am
Brookmans Park School has just contacted me to says that site manager, Paul Hartgen, is trying to clear the school's drive this morning.

The school says that if any local residents are around, and are able to help, he would appreciate a hand. You will need to bring a shovel with you.

Paul will be clearing the school's drive from 11:30.

David
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: GGDT on January 07, 2010, 11:21:49 am
Brookmans Park School has just contacted me to says that site manager, Paul Hartgen, is trying to clear the school's drive this morning.

They were called school caretakers in my day.

Love the way they have to invent posh titles for everyone nowadays!
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: southbury on January 07, 2010, 11:34:56 am
Do you honestly think that in reality a parent would sue ?

Or is that just an excuse that we 'hide' behind ?

If one of my children came home hurt after slipping over etc. I would just put it down to life .. because that is what it is .

If they get hurt sledging in Gobions now ( that's what they are all doing ) are we going to sue the Parish Council ? .. if so should we close down and rope off all of our open spaces ? If I slip and hurt myself in the woods do I sue the HMWT ?

We need a reality check here .

I accept that ' being sued' is the argument that the schools will use to 'hide' behind but what would if I popped over and helped clear the snow ( which I would love to) and I slipped and got hurt .. surely I would  sue ? It's just inconsistent . I assume all the teaching staff are now on site and helping ?

I am not trying to be argumentative or negative .. I just want my children and their friends to develop a sense of responsibilty and understand that quite simply put "when the going gets tough , the tough ..." .. they don't turn off the alarm , roll over and go back to bed.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: PS on January 07, 2010, 12:04:35 pm
Southbury - I agree entirely. Many years ago I worked in Long Island, New York for a while and when the snows came [quite often just after the New Year] and settling up to 3 foot overnight, there was none of this apparent hysteria and paranoia that seem to grip the Brits. It appears here that everyone starts to hide under their beds when a few snowflakes start to settle !!! Over there, the roads were cleared, normal driving resumed [albeit slower and more cautiously] and all and sundry went about doing their daily business, schools included.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Little Miss Elaine Moffat on January 07, 2010, 12:10:32 pm
As you can see I have too much time on my hands....


But just found this information on the Teachernet Government website

Keeping schools open in bad weather: Information for headteachers

When severe weather is forecast, the Department encourages you to review the measures you have in place to reduce disruption to learning. In the interest of keeping your school open, the two main messages are (i) plan ahead, including being clear about who would take the decision whether to close; and (ii) make sure — in line with HSE's 'Sensible Risk Management' campaign — that you take a proportionate approach to risk as you take decisions regarding whether to close your school or to keep it open.

http://www.teachernet.gov.uk/educationoverview/severeweather/ (http://www.teachernet.gov.uk/educationoverview/severeweather/)


Take a look southbury, interesting bit on H&S with link http://www.hse.gov.uk/risk/principles.htm (http://www.hse.gov.uk/risk/principles.htm)

Yes I do have too much time on my hands today :D
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on January 07, 2010, 12:13:36 pm
Gordon, a user of this site, has sent in 30 pictures of Gobions in the snow. Here is a selection.  Trying to figure out how to set up a public photo gallery so people can upload themselves.

(http://www.brookmans.com/news/january10/g1.jpg)

(http://www.brookmans.com/news/january10/g2.jpg)

(http://www.brookmans.com/news/january10/g3.jpg)

(http://www.brookmans.com/news/january10/g4.jpg)

(http://www.brookmans.com/news/january10/g5.jpg)

(http://www.brookmans.com/news/january10/g6.jpg)

(http://www.brookmans.com/news/january10/g7.jpg)

(http://www.brookmans.com/news/january10/g8.jpg)

(http://www.brookmans.com/news/january10/g9.jpg)

(http://www.brookmans.com/news/january10/g10.jpg)
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: PS on January 07, 2010, 12:16:43 pm
Posted by Dave - great pictures - makes the Gobians look surreal !!
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on January 07, 2010, 12:21:09 pm
They were taken by my pal Gordon and there are loads more. I have downloaded an album feature for this forum so anyone can upload, but I am still trying to figure it out.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Phil_Holm on January 07, 2010, 12:29:00 pm
Just to confirm that Chancellor's Presentation Evening, scheduled for Friday evening (8th Jan)  has been Cancelled.

It is planned to be re-scheduled in a week or so.

Phil
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Little Miss Elaine Moffat on January 07, 2010, 12:37:17 pm
Just got twittered

"thameslink trains utterly screwed today. FCC advise commuters not to travel! Give up, go home, claim compensation".

http://www.ihatethameslink.co.uk/ (http://www.ihatethameslink.co.uk/)
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: nosbod25 on January 07, 2010, 12:47:39 pm
Just to confirm that Chancellor's Presentation Evening, scheduled for Friday evening (8th Jan)  has been Cancelled.



Does this mean that Chancellors school will most likely be shut tomorrow as well? The condition at school (i can only imagine) and on the roads are awful! Ice is everywhere!

edited to correct quote
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Birch on January 07, 2010, 01:01:55 pm
Southbury...I also remember slogging into school with my mum in the 70s when it snowed. But I also remember how tricky it was to get there and often we'd have to walk in the road to avoid slipping over (we had no car in those days - how green is that!) - I'd walk 25mins each way. There was also grit bins on the pavements and money for councils to grit side roads. However....just cos you had what sounds like a cold, hard and miserable childhood, why inflict that on everyone else? Personally if I had children and there was no school...rather than just let them play 24/7 in the snow or with their Wii, why not set a little extra homework? Then the kids won't miss out on their education. Parents all seem to blame the school system, but I also remember my mother would sit with me helping read and do arithmetic.

And regarding getting into work...my journey into London takes long enough on a normal day, without commuting problems/weather. Why should I slog into work and be completely exhausted when I get there, spend most of my day dreading getting home again...and when I do get home it's so late that all I can do is eat dinner and sleep? A couple of weeks ago when it snowed, it took me 3 hours to get home. I personally, don't get paid enough.

I also have a mobility/joint problem which severly limits my ability to stand/walk which obviously makes standing on trains difficult as well as walking on snow/ice almost impossible for me and no doubt I'm not the only one with mobility problems. I might take a few days working from home, but better that than falling over - when i broke my ankle I needed 3 months off work.  It makes much more sense that I work quite happily across the VPN, feeling fresh and alert where I can get mostly 85% of my normal workload done. In some ways my workplace, see the advantage as I work later as there's no need to leave the 'office' to go home - so I get more done and work later. It just makes me so angry to hear you and all the other people winging about the 'good ol' days' and lording about how smug you feel that you made it in. So what! Just remember, not everyone is the same - maybe you need to broaden the selfish attitude.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Little Miss Elaine Moffat on January 07, 2010, 01:14:56 pm
Birch....I'm with you on this

Parents all seem to blame the school system, but I also remember my mother would sit with me helping read and do arithmetic.
Here, here ;)

And regarding getting into work...my journey into London takes long enough on a normal day, without commuting problems/weather. Why should I slog into work and be completely exhausted when I get there, spend most of my day dreading getting home again..
Here, here ;D

It just makes me so angry to hear you and all the other people winging about the 'good ol' days' and lording about how smug you feel that you made it in. So what! Just remember, not everyone is the same - maybe you need to broaden the selfish attitude.
Here, here :o


Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: southbury on January 07, 2010, 01:34:57 pm
Each to their own I guess.

I am going to have a very good, long hard look at myslef . Being 'smug' and 'selfish' are not good character traits.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Susan on January 07, 2010, 01:38:07 pm
Just to clarify -  BP school was shut because not enough staff were able to make it to school, not because there was a health and safety issue. I guess they live quite far away.

Personally, I enjoyed having the children at home, and I was lucky enough to be at home anyway, so I wasn’t inconvenienced.

However, for those who were supposed to be at work, it must have been a bit of a nightmare, and I can imagine they are a little annoyed. My OH went in as usual, and it was mostly the people (women!) with children who were unable to make it in.

What Birch says about everyone being in different circumstances is true, so it's not surprising we all have different opinions.

Lovely pictures!  :)

Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: PS on January 07, 2010, 01:40:38 pm
Quote
I am going to have a very good, long hard look at myslef . Being 'smug' and 'selfish' are not good character traits.

Why bother ? You cannot change who you are !!

And the Snows will disappear soon,  :'( and everyone will wonder what all the fuss was about !!
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Little Miss Elaine Moffat on January 07, 2010, 01:52:04 pm
Just to clarify -  BP school was shut because not enough staff were able to make it to school, not because there was a health and safety issue. I guess they live quite far away.

Susan, if that's true, then Southbury is correct when he says

"  I was at primary school in Goffs Oak in 1978 which, if the press are right ,is the last time that we suffered similar conditions locally. Goffs Oak has no station , had a pitiful bus service and yet the school remained open . To what purpose ? I distictly remeber the Head-master assembling us in the School Hall and then we played games and watched  videos of Rhubarb and Custard and ' Watch' on an original reel-to-reel Video recorder .. I leant nothing at school on those days  other than to .. to get off my back-side and show a bit of back bone when it snowed ".

So I for one apologise to you Southbury for being sarcastic towards your comments :-\

I really must get on with some work now!!!
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: southbury on January 07, 2010, 02:00:41 pm
Not a problem .. I would never take anything personally.

My only agenda on this topic is to do the best for my children. Period.

IMHO they should be in school today playing board games , skidding ;whatever.

It's just an opnion and I am ready to be 'wrong' and also to listen to any other views.

All part of life's rich pageant.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: saffie on January 07, 2010, 03:27:01 pm
If they are trying to clear snow at BP Primary does that mean that they plan to open tomorrow?  When will we be told either way/
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: JLC on January 07, 2010, 03:33:33 pm
Lochinver House School has updated its website confirming its plans for opening tomorrow (Friday).  See:

http://www.lochinverhouse.herts.sch.uk/headlines/Snow_Conditions_-_7th_January.php (http://www.lochinverhouse.herts.sch.uk/headlines/Snow_Conditions_-_7th_January.php) 
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: James Bentall on January 07, 2010, 04:48:34 pm
We have had updated from the two village schools:

Chancellors is CLOSED tomorrow (Fri 8th January)

Brookmans Park School - 'Providing we get no more snow overnight, Brookmans Park School is looking to open as normal tomorrow Fri 8th Jan for all classes other than nursery and reception. However some snow expected overnight, therefore final decision will be taken before 0700 hours to better judge staff and risk'.

James
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: James Bentall on January 07, 2010, 05:09:21 pm
First Capital Connect are running their emergency snow timetable tomorrow (Fri),  more information can be found here: http://www.firstcapitalconnect.co.uk/Main.php?sEvent=MajorIncident (http://www.firstcapitalconnect.co.uk/Main.php?sEvent=MajorIncident)
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: markeric1 on January 07, 2010, 06:48:32 pm
Thats a bit harsh Birch, wheres the moderators when you need them! I didnt think name calling was allowed on here. Southbury wasnt being selfish or smug just making a fair point that i agree with.

I cant go out in the snow either, i have weak and unstable ankles, but most people can go out and a lot of people who work do get paid enough to warrant a bit of effort to get in. Im sure they dont earn much at the co-op, but one of the workers told me that he walked for 5 hours to get to work from Enfield!!

Brookmans Park school is open tomorrow (providing no heavy snow over night) but i dont see what the difference is with today or yesterday, the snow has hardly melted. Chancellors is still off tomorrow though.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Mr Green on January 07, 2010, 09:53:48 pm
Is there any other public service (health -  law and order - search and rescue etc) which fails to appear with the same regular predictability as our teachers do.

In the winter, men are lambasted for contracting "man flu". Perhaps teachers dis-proportionality also suffer from scholars snow. An extra thick layer of the white stuff falling exclusively and uniquely on them alone.









Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Mr Green on January 07, 2010, 10:03:05 pm
We have just been contacted by the Chair of Governors to inform us that Brookmans Park School is definately closed tomorrow, Thursday 7th January. No news from Chancellors as yet. I will post a message if we hear anything.

You posted the above at 6.42pm.

At 10.48pm a text message was sent to parents of children attending BP school to inform them the school would be closed.

Who made the decision, when and why are people without internet access having to wait an additional 4 hours before being informed?
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: James Bentall on January 07, 2010, 10:10:29 pm
The information we post on this site comes directly from the Chair of Governors at Brookmans Park School, normally via text message. I believe that ParentMail, the company which Brookmans Park School (and many other schools in the country) use to keep in touch with parents has been struggling a bit this week - probably a bit more demand on their services than normal causing delays.

James
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: chicken legs on January 07, 2010, 11:05:13 pm
We have cleared the path in front of the house a couple of times but then we worried because of the oft repeated warning that if someone slips on it, they could sue us. 

However, it is reassuring that in the Hertfordshire Horizons magazine which was delivered to the house (from the County Council), it states:

"We would encourage you to clear the path in front of your house if you are able, and if anyone injures themselves you will not be held responsible"

I have torn out the page and will keep it just in case.  :)
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Mermaid on January 07, 2010, 11:22:06 pm
Owens says they will be open tomorrow and parents have received a letter from the Head via Parentmail saying that he "expects all students to attend" as "all buses will run as normal".

This is all very well, but some pupils attending today have complained that there was no heating, no computers, little or no food, no grit on uncleared walkways and lessons cancelled because some teachers were unable to get there.

Best check www.hertsdirect.org (http://www.hertsdirect.org) at 7.15am Friday morning.

Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: PS on January 08, 2010, 05:42:11 am
Quote
In the winter, men are lambasted for contracting "man flu".
Nightlondon

I suppose many years ago, the outside labourers simply had a "lock in" the local pubs till the snows melted - or the wives got there first to drag them out !!
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: John_fraser on January 08, 2010, 07:33:32 am
Is there any other public service (health -  law and order - search and rescue etc) which fails to appear with the same regular predictability as our teachers do.

Looks like the bins aren't going to be emptied. Again
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: PS on January 08, 2010, 07:36:06 am
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Looks like the bins aren't going to be emptied. Again

Not being offensive, but it bothers you so much, why not have a trip down to the tip ?
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Mermaid on January 08, 2010, 09:16:44 am
Well I'm with John Fraser on this one as I think that some areas (not all) could have rubbish collected without too much difficulty. For example Bluebridge Road is clear and traffic is moving very freely. The bins are all put kerbside, and although there is still snow on the pavements, I'm sure that the binmen can manage to walk on them quite as well as the residents! Other roads are trickier, but by not collecting anything from the easy roads, they'll have an even bigger job to do when they do get back to work.

I see many other services going up and down the local roads, including all the large delivery vans belonging to Parcelforce, UPS etc and my mother had her washing machine delivered yesterday by John Lewis. They had to manage on an ungritted hill, take the new machine into the house and get the old one out, all this managed with cheerfulness and the minimum of fuss. They had 300 deliveries to complete in a day, and were on track to do so.

I simply do not believe that the binmen are unable to do their job, but I do think that they may be prevented from doing so - by the conditions of Serco's insurance.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: PS on January 08, 2010, 09:22:16 am
Mermaid - all I am saying is that if the sight of uncollected rubbish is an afront to your eyeballs, then there IS an alternative - and the trip to the tip is the solution. Why the binman havn't collected I do not know. Goes back to an earlier post of mine on this topic - too much paranoia when a snowflake or two settles.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Buster on January 08, 2010, 09:22:51 am
[Looks like the bins aren't going to be emptied. Again

Maybe the bin men are working from home John  ;D
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: PS on January 08, 2010, 09:24:33 am
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Maybe the bin men are working from home John   
 


Or perhaps locked in the Brookmans !!! LOL ;D
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: flw67 on January 08, 2010, 09:54:25 am
According to welhat website they are going to try to do main roads only today but dont forget they have Wednesday and Thursday collections to catch up on as well, if not dont worry to much as least your rubbish wont rot just leave it till next week.

Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: John_fraser on January 08, 2010, 10:31:55 am
If wasn't paying a stupid amount of money to the council for third rate services I might well take it to the dump.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: PS on January 08, 2010, 10:51:41 am
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If wasn't paying a stupid amount of money to the council for third rate services I might well take it to the dump.

Now, now ...JF...don't get too upset. You can say that about anything, anybody and any service - perhaps your line of work too !!

All of this is simply a knock on effect - no trains mean people have [a day off] to work from home, people working from home cannot provide a service to those in wanton need, and so on, and so on.

Just go to the tip and be done with.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: sasquartch on January 08, 2010, 11:40:37 am
I, like JF, am a bit disappointed that the council / Serco haven't seemed to even try. As Mermaid states, most major roads are perfectly passable and houses along Bluebridge etc could be serviced.

All it will mean is that when conditions are better there will be so much rubbish to collect that there will be further delays as the service won't be able to cope.

I work 22 miles away and have been able to get into work fine, just setting off a bit earlier and going a bit slower. So many people don't even try - people in my office who are within half an hour's walk have decided to stay at home  ???
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: PS on January 08, 2010, 11:45:28 am
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people in my office who are within half an hour's walk have decided to stay at home

If that's true, then frankly, they are just a bunch of lazy dossers. But I don't believe our dustman are !!! Give them credit - they generally do a good job.

By the way, did you Tip them all before Xmas or not ??
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Little Miss Elaine Moffat on January 08, 2010, 11:54:08 am

I work 22 miles away and have been able to get into work fine, just setting off a bit earlier and going a bit slower. So many people don't even try - people in my office who are within half an hour's walk have decided to stay at home  ???


So you are really busy working are you? Not playing about on your computer, looking at web forums??
Glad you made the effort to get to work!!!!! :icon_jokercolor:
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: PS on January 08, 2010, 12:04:51 pm
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By the way, did you Tip them all before Xmas or not ??

Earlier quote by me.

In fact did ANY of the members posting here tip the Binmen ?
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Little Miss Elaine Moffat on January 08, 2010, 12:22:14 pm
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By the way, did you Tip them all before Xmas or not ??

Earlier quote by me.

In fact did ANY of the members posting here tip the Binmen ?

PS
I was going to tip them, but they normally come to collect from me at 5.30am on Friday morning,
and as I need by beauty sleep I didn't get a chance.

So no I didn't , but I am not complaining about them I think they offer a great service compared to other areas in Herts and Beds, Barnet etc.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Mermaid on January 08, 2010, 12:25:01 pm
No, I haven't tipped them for some years, ever since the council sent a note to all households specifically asking residents NOT to tip the binmen.


Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Bob Horrocks on January 08, 2010, 12:32:16 pm
Went into Welham Green this morning and saw a refuse wagon on Dixons Hill Road.     :o
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: PS on January 08, 2010, 12:34:22 pm
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No, I haven't tipped them for some years, ever since the council sent a note to all households specifically asking residents NOT to tip the binmen.

So...they provide a great service in all weather conditions, bend over backwards to ensure your rubbish is collected on time, and you will not tip them !!! Even though the Council sent out such a letter ?

God - no wonder some street were left with rubbish uncollected during "extreme" weather conditions lately.

By the way - why are we NOT supposed to tip them ?
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: sasquartch on January 08, 2010, 12:37:00 pm
So you are really busy working are you? Not playing about on your computer, looking at web forums??
Glad you made the effort to get to work!!!!! :icon_jokercolor:

Well I do manage to fit in a bit work in between surfing...   :icon_jokercolor:
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: chicken legs on January 08, 2010, 12:38:46 pm
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people in my office who are within half an hour's walk have decided to stay at home

If that's true, then frankly, they are just a bunch of lazy dossers. But I don't believe our dustman are !!! Give them credit - they generally do a good job.



I never thought to see the day I would be agreeing with PS, but here it is! ;D
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: PS on January 08, 2010, 12:42:20 pm
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I never thought to see the day I would be agreeing with PS, but here it is!

Be careful - "New Year Resolutions" have a notorious record of failure by the time the first month's out !!
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: John_fraser on January 08, 2010, 12:55:18 pm
A reality check:
They do not provide a great service in all weather conditions. They haven't collect the rubbish today because of the weather conditions!
They don't bend over backwards. They won't even collect the bin unless it is moved to the edge of the property. What  they do is the job they are paid to do

I wouldn't even agree that they do a good job. On an average  week I'd say they do the job to an acceptable level.

But, if I wanted to tip them I would.

Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: PS on January 08, 2010, 12:57:13 pm
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PS
I was going to tip them, but they normally come to collect from me at 5.30am on Friday morning,
and as I need by beauty sleep I didn't get a chance.


Couldn't you have foresaken some beauty sleep for once, and get up on just that one occasion ?

Our binmen deserve some respect and a little reward, if just once a year.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: PS on January 08, 2010, 01:14:46 pm
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A reality check:
They do not provide a great service in all weather conditions. They haven't collect the rubbish today because of the weather conditions!
They don't bend over backwards. They won't even collect the bin unless it is moved to the edge of the property. What  they do is the job they are paid to do
I wouldn't even agree that they do a good job. On an average  week I'd say they do the job to an acceptable level.
But, if I wanted to tip them I would.


The ALTERNATIVE REAL reality check :

JF - I believe you are being somewhat harsh on the binmen. Consider the facts - some of which are (a) early morning starts (b) variable weather conditions throughout the year [hardly conducive to old age bones at retirement] (c) ever increasing targets "set to be met" by the councils (d) low pay (e) and finally and most admirable, they are at least working [how many would simply claim "the dole"]

Compare that to some real shysters in society - namely Bankers as of late - who have done nothing they can call a service, except lay cause to the Credit Crunch and create misery to untold millions. Yet they all seem to walk away with "tips" [megabonuses] for providing absolutely nothing.
For me, the Binmen deserve far more respect and recognition than any Banker will do. And you can't tip them ????
 
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: colinr on January 08, 2010, 01:15:55 pm
A reality check:
They do not provide a great service in all weather conditions. They haven't collect the rubbish today because of the weather conditions!
They don't bend over backwards. They won't even collect the bin unless it is moved to the edge of the property. What  they do is the job they are paid to do

I wouldn't even agree that they do a good job. On an average  week I'd say they do the job to an acceptable level.

But, if I wanted to tip them I would.



But lets not complain too much, as they do take everything you leave out without any problems.
(Ok yes you do need to get it to a convenient area for them to get hold of it)

My daughter lived in Bedfordshire a few yeas ago and had a collection every other week, if it wasn’t in the council’s supplied bin (only one per household ) WITH THE LID CLOSED FLAT they would not take it.

She is now in Stevenage who has a similar policy. So I guess our collection service isn’t too bad.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Little Miss Elaine Moffat on January 08, 2010, 01:21:44 pm
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PS
I was going to tip them, but they normally come to collect from me at 5.30am on Friday morning,
and as I need by beauty sleep I didn't get a chance.


Couldn't you have foresaken some beauty sleep for once, and get up on just that one occasion ?

Our binmen deserve some respect and a little reward, if just once a year.

PS. Like Chicken Legs I am beginning to agree with you....
This is very worrying ............... :icon_jokercolor:
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: markeric1 on January 08, 2010, 02:30:26 pm
Everyone seems overly worried about the rubbish. cant you just bag it up and leave it in, or outside, your dustbins, until the binmen are ready to come? its hardly going to smell in this weather!
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: John_fraser on January 08, 2010, 02:36:11 pm
I guess it's a matter of standards. What you see as someone doing a great service I see as someone doing the job they are paid to do. The job has it's difficulties, but what job hasn't? I have no idea what they are paid, but seeing as there is no shortage of bin men I guess it's not too low to recompense for the difficulties of the job and the degree of expertise required.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Aloo on January 08, 2010, 03:06:10 pm
Please see below update on refuse collections from the WHBC web site

"Friday 8 January
Should conditions not get any worse, on Friday 8 January our refuse and recycling vehicles aim to visit any roads where it is safe to do so. This is likely to be the more clear and passable main roads. We will go to areas expecting a collection from Wednesday through to Friday this week. However, conditions on many of the side roads are expected to remain unsafe.  Where this is the case collections may not take place, and in the event of this happening we plan to visit instead on your next scheduled day.

Please continue to see this page for further updates."

Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on January 08, 2010, 03:31:05 pm
Just in via email from WHC

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“Despite the adverse weather conditions refuse and recycling services have recommenced a limited service of main roads.  The majority of other council services are running a normal service and council buildings will remain open until 4.45pm today:

·        Campus West

·        Customer Contact Centre

·        Elections

·        Environmental Health

·        Hatfield Swim Centre and Leisure Centre (although outdoor pitches are closed)

·        Housing

·        Landscape and ecology

·        Legal

·        Museums

·        Planned and specialist maintenance

·        Planning

·        Tenant involvement

·        Town centre management

·        Welfare services.

 

Some services may be subject to minor details variances dependant on access.

A few services have been reduced:


·        Refuse and recycling collections are running a limited service of main roads only. This will not operate on Saturday as hoped, as side roads will still be impassable and will not make a significant impact, following today’s collections. 

·        Serco’s grounds maintenance teams are providing snow clearance of borough council priority areas, and are also undertaking assistance clearance of Hertfordshire County Council priority areas

·        Day centres are closed and community buses are not running, however, meals on wheels services for the most vulnerable continue.

·        Finesse leisure facilities are open as normal, except Panshanger golf course, the outdoor pitches at Hatfield Leisure Centre and KGV playing fields and there is no sailing at Stanborough Park because the lake is frozen.

·        Most appointed housing repairs work will be attended, however, where this is not possible customers are being notified and work reappointed.  Emergencies will be attended.

·        The top level of Hunters Bridge multi-storey and lower level of Church Road car parks are closed.


For further updates, please check the council’s website: www.welhat.gov.uk (http://www.welhat.gov.uk).”
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Nonloso on January 08, 2010, 07:15:19 pm
Is there any other public service (health -  law and order - search and rescue etc) which fails to appear with the same regular predictability as our teachers do.

In the winter, men are lambasted for contracting "man flu". Perhaps teachers dis-proportionality also suffer from scholars snow. An extra thick layer of the white stuff falling exclusively and uniquely on them alone.

I am a teacher. I work long hours, including evenings, weekends and school holidays. I work relentlessly to help all the children at my school to succeed, even the most difficult and recalcitrant. While my school has been closed I have set work for my pupils using the internet and have worked at home for the whole day. Next week, even if the weather is bad, the school will be open for pupils to do their public exams. I will do my best to get in, despite having a long cross-country journey.

I am not unique or special. All my colleagues have the same level of commitment. Your comments are therefore unjustified and offensive.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Mr Green on January 08, 2010, 09:17:59 pm
I am not unique or special. All my colleagues have the same level of commitment. Your comments are therefore unjustified and offensive.

Offensive is a little harsh, the truth obviously hurts.

How are they unjustified? Did the teachers turn in or not.

I am not aware of any Firestations, Police Stations or even Tescos that have not opened.

Why is it so many teachers can't get in yet everyone else does. The job you do at the end of the journey is neither here nor there. The journey is the same regardless.

Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Ferdie on January 09, 2010, 09:27:48 am
Nonloso, Nightlondon & All, Please try not to get too personal in replies. You both have valid points. We are all suffering in different ways. One of the issues for schools is the safety of the child and that is often the factor in a decision to open or close, not just the ability of staff getting to the school. Clearly this in turn creates problems for working parents. The main focus of this thread should be information exchange, not insults or offence.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: PS on January 09, 2010, 09:30:31 am
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The main focus of this thread should be information exchange, not insults or offence.

Here, here !!
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: stevea on January 09, 2010, 10:07:42 am
It's just the usual Nightlondon  :mblah05:
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Mr Green on January 09, 2010, 05:44:02 pm

One of the issues for schools is the safety of the child and that is often the factor in a decision to open or close, not just the ability of staff getting to the school.

Here is a cut'n'paste from the BP Primary school head on the subject following the recent closures of that school.

"Any decision to close school is determined by me in consultation with our Chair of Governors. The primary factor influencing the decision is whether we have sufficient staff to open safely. As the vast majority of our staff have to travel some distance, this obviously plays a part in my decision. Yours sincerely, Nathan Hairon. Headteacher"

And here's a recent quote from Mayor Boris Johnson (In blue obviously)

"Apart from a few special cases there is no reason why schools shouldn't be open."

Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Little Miss Elaine Moffat on January 09, 2010, 06:19:14 pm
And here's a recent quote from Mayor Boris Johnson (In blue obviously)

"Apart from a few special cases there is no reason why schools shouldn't be open."



Is't Boris talking about schools in London where he is Mayor? and has control over the gritters, buses and the underground system?

Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Alfred the Great on January 09, 2010, 08:00:22 pm
And where most schools are within walking distance of most of their pupils (sorry, students).
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Mr Green on January 09, 2010, 10:33:35 pm
And where most schools are within walking distance of most of their pupils (sorry, students).

You've lost me?
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Little Miss Elaine Moffat on January 09, 2010, 11:54:09 pm
And where most schools are within walking distance of most of their pupils (sorry, students).

You've lost me?


I think you need to look at the last two comments, together

Is't Boris talking about schools in London where he is Mayor? and has control over the gritters, buses and the underground system?
and
And where most schools are within walking distance of most of their pupils (sorry, students).
 


Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: PS on January 10, 2010, 07:01:04 am
Usually major cities are a few degrees warmer than the outskirts - thus its possible that the inner London schools are not faced with such "trecherous" conditions as BP and its surrounds !!!

Furthermore, shouldn't these 4 x4's now come to the rescue ?

Oh ...the hysteria ...
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Mr Green on January 10, 2010, 02:54:10 pm
Drove past another school today (not in BP) and saw an army of what looked liked parents all with shovels and the like, clearing the pathways and playground. Perhaps this is what is needed, a community call to arms.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: markeric1 on January 10, 2010, 03:26:38 pm
There was a call to help the caretaker at 11.30 last thursday morning at BP school. Dont know if it was answered, although it was open next day so perhaps it was.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Mary_Morgan on January 10, 2010, 07:18:16 pm
PS   There was a good article on the BBC about a member of a 4X4 club picking up a lady of 109 from her home in High Wycombe where the heating had failed and taking her to safety.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/oxfordshire/8448516.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/oxfordshire/8448516.stm)

Cheers
Mary
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: PS on January 11, 2010, 05:37:56 am
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I know people slate us a lot for our 4x4s, but we like to give back to the community.
Taken from the article on BBC that Mary Morgan quoted.

Very admirable - so where are all the BP 4 x 4's in time of need ? Why haven't these tanks been brought out to help in the community then when the snows have apparently rendered the roads useless ?

Are the peroxides too busy doing up their nails to help ?
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Birch on January 11, 2010, 10:04:32 am
Temperatures have warmed up to just slightly above freezing, snow is thawing.....so why are FCC still running an emergency service this morning?  >:(
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Buster on January 11, 2010, 03:32:41 pm
 FCC have just announced that the 16.55 and 17.55 from Moorgate are cancelled.  Not sure if they plan to put on other trains to compensate othwerwise it be just be the 25 mins past train. >:(
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on January 11, 2010, 07:01:45 pm
So, is the big freeze over?  

Next headlines

Big thaw/melt/bursts

Stories about flooding, plumbers, damage, insurance.

Probably worth a new thread.

 :)
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Birch on January 11, 2010, 10:02:47 pm
Snow causes disruption on trainline. Scratch that...First Crapital Connect causes mayhem and chaos running emergency timetable despite thaw. Finsbury Park as packed as a footbal stadium as rush hour commuters struggle to get home. No wonder i worked from home last week, wish i had done today. FCC website says they are running a normal service tomorrow - so back to the normal cancelations and delays then.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Merton on January 11, 2010, 10:17:29 pm
National Rail still says emergency timetable tomorrow (tuesday) so another guessing game and a cold wait for some of us on the platform again
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: James Bentall on January 11, 2010, 11:02:46 pm
Er.. where are you reading that? Both First Capital Connect and National Rail seem to indicate that there is a normal timetable tomorrow, on the sites I have looked at?
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: southbury on January 12, 2010, 07:04:59 am
06.08 into Moorgate was bang on time this morning
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Birch on January 12, 2010, 09:41:11 am
Confusion reigns this morning 8.15am, as noticeboard and announcements display a different timetable to that advertised as 'normal'. Train turns up at random time, but commuters just thankful to get on train! I wonder what will happen tonight.

If you're as fed up with FCC as me, then perhaps you'd sign this petition http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/FirstCC/ (http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/FirstCC/)
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: southbury on January 12, 2010, 10:18:55 am
All things considered I think that the train service has been very good during the bad weather .

The first London bound train in the morning, which I assume is one of the hardest to run, has been pretty much on time every day.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Buster on January 12, 2010, 10:29:33 am
I have to agree with Southbury - i was in work everyday in comparison to my colleagues who didn't have trains.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Angel on January 12, 2010, 10:31:32 pm
I would like to add some positive things to this thread:

I've only had to catch a train once since the snowfall but the paths and steps were well gritted so felt quite safe walking on them.

Each time I've been in the Co-op, it has been very well stocked - can't have been easy as they must have had a lot of extra customers.  (Supermarkets I saw on the news were running out of a lot of basics)

Also, well done to Geoff for getting around with the milk deliveries.  I know it's hard enough for him at the best of times

 :) :) :)
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on January 13, 2010, 07:13:31 am
Latest snow updates for travel, schools and services here, please.

David
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Mermaid on January 13, 2010, 07:49:49 am
Well said Angel   :)

We have been very grateful that both our milkman (we have Geoff too) and our paperboy have battled through the snow and ice to deliver in good time every day.

It's also been great to walk down to the village shops and find that a) they have been open every day despite the conditions and b) have had good supplies.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Mermaid on January 13, 2010, 07:50:41 am
Just received a message via 'Parentmail', Owen's is open.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: James Bentall on January 13, 2010, 07:55:33 am
I've set the webcams up again so people can see conditions in Brookmans Park from afar - one's at a bit of an angle - sorry :)

http://www.brookmans.com/webcam.php (http://www.brookmans.com/webcam.php)

James
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: daisymay on January 13, 2010, 08:17:01 am
Cars are getting stuck on Carbone Hill and also Newgate Street towards Little Berkhampstead
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on January 13, 2010, 08:54:50 am
Brookmans Park Primary is now saying "Open Wednesday only travel if safe"

Source: Herts Co Co website (http://www.imodus.com/summary.aspx?company=99).

Entry updated 08:31
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on January 13, 2010, 08:58:04 am
Been watching the webcam and it looks like traffic problems in the village. Here is a screen grab.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: James Bentall on January 13, 2010, 09:01:58 am
We have received a message from the Chairman of Governors at Chancellors. He said that they are open as they have about half the staff in, however it is not going to be a normal day and would advise that if pupils are still on their way to school that they turn round and go home. They are aware of two busses stuck between Potters Bar and Brookmans Park.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: sasquartch on January 13, 2010, 09:06:42 am
Station Road (ie between BP and WG) is shut

Just spoke to a policeman who said conditions on the bend over the bridge were just too dangerous

The village looks gridlocked - going to be a while before I can leave the village I think....
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Birch on January 13, 2010, 09:22:34 am
Yes, because the council hasn't gritted any of the roads - conditions are very dangerous. A lorry got stuck, slid and skewed on the humped railway bridge in WG, cars are also finding it near impossible to drive over. Trains also running a very limited service (according to FCC website).
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: awill on January 13, 2010, 09:43:41 am
I caught the 828 this morning and all was running fine (except the ticket office printer had broken, following on from the broken keyboard on Monday!) However, the road over the railway was clearly very slippy as a car had gone into the hedge on the side nearest the station entrance. Other cars were trying to reverse back down the road having seen this incident. Not convinced my journey home will be as straightforward....
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on January 13, 2010, 10:19:51 am
Station Road update - 10:15 Wed 13 Jan

Just spoken to the police. Station Road is closed as of 10:15, because a car (picture below) slided into the barrier and hedge on the Welham Green side of the railway bridge.

Police are trying to get a tow truck to remove the car. Until they do it is too dangerous for traffic to pass that way.

However, some cars owned by residents living within the closed zone are driving through.

Police say they are also trying to get a gritter out on that stretch because of fears that fresh snow could fall on the ice and make driving conditions difficult later.

Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on January 13, 2010, 10:35:14 am
Just added a short video of the scenes on Station Road.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZ17WBC5FbU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZ17WBC5FbU)
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Ferdie on January 13, 2010, 01:13:09 pm
There were 2 cars in crashed in an identical position on on the bridge Monday morning, clearly this is a dangerous section of road.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: colinr on January 13, 2010, 01:44:45 pm
There were 2 cars in crashed in an identical position on on the bridge Monday morning, clearly this is a dangerous section of road.

Yes, very dangerous, I also think that the Armco Barrier needs fixing, it’s has been a few years since it was replaced.

I guess if it has a few more impacts it will give way and the vehicle will drop into the gap between the road and footpath below.

If WHC or Herts Highways are reading this I suggest they visit

http://armcodirect.co.uk/products.html (http://armcodirect.co.uk/products.html)

Thanks for your support in more ways than one ::)
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Phil_Holm on January 13, 2010, 02:32:45 pm
Just spoke with "her indoors" and Station Road is now open again.

Phil
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: NZer on January 14, 2010, 08:16:17 am
Thanks James.  You are certainly getting plenty of snow this year!
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on January 14, 2010, 08:33:56 am
Hi James,

Should we rename this thread Rain cam?  Here is a screen grab from a moment ago.

 :)

Dave

Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Bob Horrocks on January 14, 2010, 01:23:15 pm
Car park at Gobions Open Space, off Moffats Lane

The police have already posted a 'thank you' for assistance given when their police car got stuck at this car park.    I have now  been told by the parish council groundsmen that they have had to tow out several other cars.

This is a plea asking motorists to avoid that car park until the ice and snow has gone.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Bob Horrocks on January 16, 2010, 04:34:24 pm
Bradmore Green road surfaces were scheduled to be resurfaced last Sunday.  The snow stopped that.

When I went into the village this morning I saw a large resurfacing vehicle being off-loaded and parked in Station Close so presumably the work is to be done tomorrow 17th Jan. 
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Tailspin on January 16, 2010, 04:48:01 pm
We are not alone.  Just returned from St Albans.  Some of their major roads have potholes much worse than ours.

Lets just hope we get our patched up properly.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Ferdie on January 16, 2010, 09:42:02 pm
Let's hope village surfacing takes place soon. Nasty hole outside the Raj, on the service road between Brookmans Avenue to Bluebridge Road, one can't avoid going down it if cars parked outside the Raj. One should not be doing any speed along this section anyway.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Aloo on February 09, 2010, 12:54:01 pm
Hello

With snow predicted again later this week, thought the forum maybe interested in a conversation I've been having with the County Council.

During the snowfall we had in Jan I asked  Hertfordshire County Council why there is no salt bin in the village.   After sometime they have now come back with the following answer - a salt bin will be placed outside the newsagents just in time for summer!!

"The area engineer has assessed the possibility of a salt bin, and has decided that a salt bin is to be place outside the newsagents in Bradmore Green in Spring/Summer 2010"   
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on February 09, 2010, 04:08:04 pm
Perhaps they know more than we do about the impact of global warming. Having said that, I have just mowed my lawn in the sunshine and in my shirt sleeves and got two buckets of cuttings. Good job, too, if there is snow on the way.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: James Bentall on November 30, 2010, 06:18:07 am
Camera is online at www.brookmans.com/webcam.php (http://www.brookmans.com/webcam.php) if you want to see how much snow has fallen in the village. It'll get clearer as it gets lighter!
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: BrookyP on November 30, 2010, 07:02:55 am
just been to the station. calder and moffats lane a bit of a nightmare to navigate (quite slippy)-brookmans avenue seems to be the ok. mains roads clear ...off to build a small snowman before work :)

bp
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Local Walker on November 30, 2010, 11:57:02 am
I remember hearing somewhere on the news that this is the first snow that we've had at this time for 17 years.

I would like to also point out that this statement is false as we have had snow around this time and as far as October for the last couple of years
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: John_fraser on November 30, 2010, 12:17:28 pm
Yes, thes press have very short memories. Fortunately this site doesn't:

Snow on 28 October 2008 (http://www.brookmans.com/forum/index.php?topic=1563.msg15799#msg15799)

I remember the residences of Bluebridge Road pushing the cars up the hill
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Angel on November 30, 2010, 05:11:48 pm
John - your link says 2010 not 2008!! ;)
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: John_fraser on December 01, 2010, 02:25:26 pm
Fixed
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: PS on December 01, 2010, 06:19:19 pm
John - your link says 2010 not 2008!! ;)

Tch, tch
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: James Bentall on December 01, 2010, 11:23:22 pm
I've moved the webcam to look at the village centre so people can see how clear the roads are before setting out!
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Phil_Holm on December 02, 2010, 02:08:28 pm
Thought it might be worth bringing this back to the front again.

Chancellor's is open today.

There were some texts between pupils this morning saying that the school was closed, or that it wasn't worth going in.  This was not the case.

to check whether the School is open or not, please check here, or on the Chancellor's web site:
http://www.chancellors.herts.sch.uk/ (http://www.chancellors.herts.sch.uk/)

The problem we have is that Pine Grove isn't always gritted, as it's not considered a priority by County.  This means that cars and the buses sometimes struggle to get up the slight incline.  But you could drop your little darlings off at the end of Golf Club Road (as I did this morning) which is a short, flat walk into school.

Phil
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: BrookyP on December 02, 2010, 02:40:20 pm


There were some texts between pupils this morning saying that the school was closed, or that it wasn't worth going in.  This was not the case.



when I was at school-especially games day and it was freezing- sometimes the latter was true :)

bp
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: saffie on December 02, 2010, 02:50:55 pm
Good luck trying to get any information from Brookmans Park Primary.  They could not even post on the Herts Direct site to say whether they were going to open or not.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: James Bentall on December 02, 2010, 04:49:18 pm
Brookmans Park was listed on here as open

http://www.imodus.com/summary.aspx?company=99 (http://www.imodus.com/summary.aspx?company=99)

about 8:30am when I checked on behalf of someone else. Have to say I don't know what time that message was put on there though.

Phil - problem with the Chancellors Website is that quite often during severe weather it is just not possible to get the page to load due to demand!

James
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on December 02, 2010, 05:03:16 pm
Of course everyone could tweet info with a common hashtag such as #bpsnow (for example) and all those using twitter could follow that tag. The sooner people realise the power of this for information disemmination the better. Having said that it took a few years for the forum to catch on in terms of people realising it could be a useful communication tool.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: saffie on December 03, 2010, 07:37:50 am
Brookmans Park was listed on here as open

http://www.imodus.com/summary.aspx?company=99 (http://www.imodus.com/summary.aspx?company=99)

I was checking till just before 8am and nothing, most other schools were posting from 6am onwards.  I think anything past 8.00 is wrong as people will then start having to leave for school in these conditions, by the time they have defrosted/de-snowed their cars, got kids in and then driven slowly to school.  

Of course Bradmore and Peplins look like they had not been gritted or cleared, so that was a nightmare for parents too.  I thought the Herts Council tried to clear all roads very near to schools???

Brookmans Park Primary if you read this please try to let us know by 7.30am at the latest.



edited to fix quote

Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: mungroo on December 03, 2010, 08:22:43 am
The path directly outside my kids school was totally iced up yesterday. The caretaker wouldn't grit it and wouldn't even allow me to grit it for him (with the schools grit) - reason being that if someone slipped on it (less likely but still possible I suppose) then the school would be liable. If it was left alone and someone slipped then it would be an act of god with no-one to blame (except the almighty himself)

WHAT ?

Is this for real ?
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: sasquartch on December 03, 2010, 09:07:26 am
I'm sure I heard sopmewhere that this is just an urban myth - if you de-ice a pavement and somebody slips, as long as you have done it in good faith you are not liable.

Unfortunately the ambulance chasing culture we seem to live in hasn't helped  >:D
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: mungroo on December 03, 2010, 09:16:29 am
just came back from the run - witnessed 5 people falling outside school
no grit - bonkers
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: epiphany on December 03, 2010, 09:22:25 am
I'm sure I heard sopmewhere that this is just an urban myth - if you de-ice a pavement and somebody slips, as long as you have done it in good faith you are not liable.


According to WHBC website you are quite correct sasquartch and it is OK to clear pavements.

http://www.welhat.gov.uk/index.aspx?articleid=3314 (http://www.welhat.gov.uk/index.aspx?articleid=3314)
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: mungroo on December 03, 2010, 11:50:48 am
many thanks - I will pass this on to the school...
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: chicken legs on December 03, 2010, 09:46:10 pm
Unfortunately, it is still not complete reassurance.  It only says it is "highly unlikely" that you would be sued.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: PS on December 04, 2010, 05:58:02 am
Unfortunately, it is still not complete reassurance.  It only says it is "highly unlikely" that you would be sued.

Yes - best not to bother - I certainly wouldn't - as you'll always find one of the ilk who will try it on. Especially in these austere economic times. 
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on December 13, 2010, 12:54:26 pm
The council has announced that...

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Welwyn Hatfield Borough Council and Serco will be providing a refuse collection service over Christmas and the New Year. The schedule will provide a frequent service, including Saturday collections on 8 January.

Click for details on the council site. (http://www.welhat.gov.uk/index.aspx?articleid=1368)
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Mary_Morgan on December 16, 2010, 07:05:45 pm
Can any of you techie people tell me how to unblock port 81 on my firewall so I can see the pictures from the cam.

Cheers

Mary
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: James Bentall on December 17, 2010, 01:00:01 am
It's not you - it's me. It's not connected at the moment - will put it back online tomorrow - try again then!
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Mary_Morgan on December 18, 2010, 02:15:16 pm
Hi James

I can only see one of the pictures.

Cheers

Mary
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on December 18, 2010, 05:58:41 pm
Neat service from Hert Co Co.  Enter your postcode to see if your road will be gritted.

http://www.hertsdirect.org/maps/Website/WebMaps/default.htm?layers=saltbin,salting&active=saltbin (http://www.hertsdirect.org/maps/Website/WebMaps/default.htm?layers=saltbin,salting&active=saltbin)

Instructions from the site...

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Once the map has loaded, salt bin locations will be displayed as yellow boxes. The routes will be shown in three different colours. The explanations of what they mean can be found by clicking on the 'Highways' folder, and then on the box with lines in it next to 'Salting Routes'.

Will merge this with the other snow thread eventually.

The info popped up in a tweet just now.

http://twitter.com/Herts_Highways/statuses/16184144245563392 (http://twitter.com/Herts_Highways/statuses/16184144245563392)

David
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: chicken legs on December 19, 2010, 11:48:10 am
The map doesn't load when I try.  Anyone else have this problem?
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on December 19, 2010, 01:04:32 pm
The map doesn't load when I try.  Anyone else have this problem?

I am having the same problem today. It was working yesterday. Perhaps it has been slowed down because of demand - or perhaps it needs gritting.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: slimgym on December 19, 2010, 02:30:20 pm
I am having the same problem today. It was working yesterday. Perhaps it has been slowed down because of demand - or perhaps it needs gritting.
Seems to be working again now
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: BrookyP on December 19, 2010, 05:48:23 pm
i cant work this out. does anyone know what the colours mean as there is no key on the map.

bp
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on December 20, 2010, 08:58:37 am
No recycling or refuse collection in Welwyn Hatfield today, according to the council's site.

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Due to snow over the weekend and subsequent icy conditions, our refuse and recycling service has been cancelled. Collections planned for today will now be collected on the next schedule collection day. As we are moving into the Christmas schedule for refuse and recycling collections, residents are reminded to check the council's website to know their revised collection days over the festive period.

http://www.welhat.gov.uk/index.aspx?articleid=3373 (http://www.welhat.gov.uk/index.aspx?articleid=3373)
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on December 22, 2010, 10:21:46 am
From Welwyn Hatfield Council

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22/12/2010 Refuse collections resume today, 9am
Wednesday's scheduled refuse collections are resuming where possible. However, the recycling and composting collections are cancelled, to enable the catch up of refuse collections from Monday and Tuesday's routes.

Recycling and composting collections will be made on your next scheduled calendar date.

The situation will be reassessed early tomorrow morning. A further update will be available on our website from 9am.

http://www.welhat.gov.uk/index.aspx?articleid=3380 (http://www.welhat.gov.uk/index.aspx?articleid=3380)

Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on December 23, 2010, 09:27:44 am
Lastest from Welwyn Hatfield regarding refuse collections...

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23/12/2010 Refuse collections going ahead, 9am

Thursday's scheduled refuse collections will be attempted where possible. Recycling and composting collections are cancelled this week to enable the catch up of refuse collections from Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday's routes.

Recycling and composting collections will be made on your next scheduled calendar date.

http://www.welhat.gov.uk/index.aspx?articleid=3386 (http://www.welhat.gov.uk/index.aspx?articleid=3386)
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: chicken legs on December 23, 2010, 12:21:06 pm
Well done to our lot who collected today.  I wouldn't want to be slipping around chucking rubbish on these pavements.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Mermaid on December 24, 2010, 06:42:31 am
Well done to the collectors on the 'lemon' round too this morning   :)
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on December 24, 2010, 07:33:54 am
Don't expect the side roads to be gritted soon.  According to several news sources, including The Comet 24 (http://www.thecomet.net/news/salt_levels_in_comet_country_running_low_1_761477) and The Watford Observer (http://www.watfordobserver.co.uk/news/8755873.Salt_levels_low_as_top_up_is_refused_by_Department_for_Transport/), Hertfordshire’s salt and grit supplies are running low and an application for emergency supplies has been rejected by the Department for Transport. During the summer the county ordered 12,000 tonnes of salt for use across the county. On Monday, there was enough salt for 13 heavy gritting runs with the next delivery expected around 5 January – almost two weeks.

Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on December 24, 2010, 08:26:43 am
Well done to the collectors on the 'lemon' round too this morning   :)

Yes, agreed, thanks to the brill refuse collectors.  And, while I am at it, thanks to the brill Royal Mail staff and our chirpy milkman (who we don't buy from but who always gives cheery wave and a smile).

 :icon_jokercolor:
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: awill on December 24, 2010, 09:20:10 am
It's 9.20 and at the top of Peplins our rubbish is uncollected =  :'(

An early Christmas present for any local rats, cats and foxes....
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: epiphany on December 24, 2010, 09:39:15 am
For those pleased for the service they have received, don't forget to
show your appreciation in the form of a 'xmas box', sadly this tradition
seems to be dying out - they deserve it!!!
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: epiphany on December 24, 2010, 09:42:27 am
I suspected as much, there seems to have been a definite lack of
gritting for the last few days, even on more major roads.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: sasquartch on December 27, 2010, 06:10:47 pm
Anyone know if the rubbish in Peplins is going to get collected before Friday ?

Last Friday it was put into big piles (as is usual by a couple of dustmen on foot) but not collected.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: BrookyP on December 27, 2010, 09:57:13 pm
hi. this happened in calder/woodlands/shrublands on xmas eve. They piled it all high and left.  I called council and they sent out a truck out to get it.

I guess you will be stuck with it till fri.

If it is on the pavement it constitutes an obstruction and will be given priority...give the council a bell and ask for street scene...you may get rid before fri then

ta bp
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: JandJ on December 28, 2010, 07:25:14 am
Merry Christmas everyone.

Have I missed an explanation as to why Moffats Lane didn't seem to be gritted last week when other roads in the village were? I know the Council can't grit everywhere but rightly or wrongly that is one of the main thoroughfares here.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: flw67 on December 28, 2010, 12:08:59 pm
I think they only grit Bluebridge Road and maybe the village centre.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: colinr on December 28, 2010, 02:36:41 pm
We often think other countries cope better than we do when the snow comes.

Not so, take a look at New York, and the complaints from their residence


http://nyti.ms/gEOtKJ
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: slimgym on December 28, 2010, 06:40:35 pm
The colours are linked here http://www.hertsdirect.org/envroads/roadstrans/highways/hhonlineservices/saltingroutes/

the routes treated in a salt shortage (purple),
the precautionary routes treated pre-freezing (purple and red)
the routes that will be done subsequent to continuous lower temperatures (blue)
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: MikeL on December 30, 2010, 11:17:36 am
I see that the blue routes are
Quote
routes that will be done subsequent to continuous lower temperatures
.

Given that our road (on a blue route) was never gritted over the last couple of weeks, I wonder how long continuous lower temperatures have to persist before gritting is deemed necessary?
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Aidan Winwood on December 30, 2010, 01:50:58 pm
I think they only grit Bluebridge Road and maybe the village centre.

When it last snowed the did not even grit Bluebridge Road or the village centre.  Poor show not to even do the main road from BP to WG...
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Greybeard on December 31, 2010, 06:41:14 am
Well in theory our rubbish is due to be collected today, Friday, and then next week on Saturday (see top of thread).

However, the WHT reports "Welwyn Hatfield Council fail to collect bins - again".

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MOUNTAINS of Christmas rubbish have proved insurmountable for Welwyn Hatfield’s beleaguered bin men.

For yet again they have failed to provide a full refuse collection service today (Thursday).

Despite promises made to residents by the council’s private contractors Serco, the build up of festive bin liners, along with weeks worth of uncollected rubbish and recycling during the snow period, has meant further woe for residents.

A council spokesman said they could not keep to the planned Christmas collection schedule.

He said: “Due to the increased volumes of refuse created over the Christmas period your collection may not have been made as stipulated on our Christmas collection schedule.

“If your Christmas collection day was Thursday December 30 and your collection was not made we will aim to return on Friday December 31.

“If your Christmas collection day was Friday December 31 and your collection was not made we will aim to return on Tuesday January 4.

“If your refuse remains uncollected on Wednesday January 5 please call us on 01707 357000 to report.

“Welwyn Hatfield Borough Council apologises for any inconvenience this may have caused.”

http://www.whtimes.co.uk/news/welwyn_hatfield_council_fail_to_collect_bins_again_1_764462

So if our rubbish isn't collected today, they aim to return on Tuesday.

Brilliant.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Mermaid on December 31, 2010, 07:59:54 am
Ours was collected promptly at 5.45am as usual this morning (lemon round)  :)
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Tailspin on December 31, 2010, 10:58:13 am
Ours has just been collected (Calder).  Lets hope the entire villiage gets "collected".
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Angel on January 06, 2011, 06:08:29 pm
Does anyone know if the rubbish will be collected tomorrow morning (Lemon Round) or will it be Saturday because of the Bank Holiday this week?
(Wondering as they came last Friday and there was a Bank Holiday in that week too)
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Mermaid on January 06, 2011, 07:16:09 pm
On the Council's website it's still saying that if your collection would normally be on Friday 7th January, it will actually be on Saturday 8th Jan. Exactly the same as Dave Brewer's first post at the head of this topic.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Angel on January 06, 2011, 07:29:01 pm
 :-[

Thanks Mermaid! :)
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: BrookyP on January 06, 2011, 07:36:16 pm
nice.. thanks for the info...was just about to go and do it...bp
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on January 06, 2011, 08:29:39 pm
Thanks for the reminder, Mermaid. I love the fact that we are now down to one black bin bag thanks to all the recycling. And I am glad the new system will collect plastic cartons, too.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on January 13, 2012, 04:49:09 pm
Herts Highways have said on their 'gritter twitter'   ::)  that the gritters will be out tonight - January 13 - from 7pm and that there is a chance of hoar frost (http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/reports/wxfacts/Hoar-Frost.htm) and ice.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Aidan Winwood on January 13, 2012, 08:03:36 pm
Just dropped my girlfriend to work and it was already slippery on Bluebridge Road at 6pm.

Glad you put the link in to define 'hoar frost' though, would have been wondering how that formed all night otherwise...  ;D

A
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on January 14, 2012, 08:30:03 pm
Herts Highways say the gritters will be out again tonight because they are expecting a heavy frost.

Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: jmj on February 03, 2012, 11:37:24 pm
Should we get a good covering of snow this weekend, does anyone have any tips on where's best to take young children sledging in or near Brookmans Park?
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Post by: epiphany on February 04, 2012, 08:37:41 am
If you are able to travel a little, the best place is Hillyfields, this side of Enfield out thru
Crews Hill nr the Rose & Crown, Clay Hill EN2 9AJ.
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Post by: HAWC145 on February 04, 2012, 09:11:32 am
Pine Grove (might be a bit dangerous ;D ;D ;D)
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Post by: Yailspin on February 04, 2012, 09:46:15 am
You could try Gobions open space.
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Post by: Editor on February 04, 2012, 10:18:09 am
Should we get a good covering of snow this weekend, does anyone have any tips on where's best to take young children sledging in or near Brookmans Park?

Someone has suggested Stanborough Park on our Brookmans Park Newsletter Facebook page (http://www.facebook.com/brookmanspark).
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Post by: Editor on February 05, 2012, 12:35:04 pm
Just taken some pictures in Gobions and sharing them here for those who can't get out.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/75967700@N04/sets/72157629182781593/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/75967700@N04/sets/72157629182781593/)

(http://www.brookmans.com/news/february12/gobionssnow1.jpg)

(http://www.brookmans.com/news/february12/gobionssnow2.jpg)

(http://www.brookmans.com/news/february12/gobionssnow3.jpg)

(http://www.brookmans.com/news/february12/gobionssnow4.jpg)

(http://www.brookmans.com/news/february12/gobionssnow5.jpg)

(http://www.brookmans.com/news/february12/gobionssnow6.jpg)

(http://www.brookmans.com/news/february12/gobionssnow7.jpg)
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Post by: Richard Sutton on February 05, 2012, 01:25:48 pm
Almost unrecognisable! Wish i could have seen it for myself.
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Post by: saffie on February 05, 2012, 01:39:12 pm
Does anyone know when a decision will be made about the school opening tomorrow.  Just thinking that if it gets cold overnight and it all turns icy things could be tricky in the morning.
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Post by: HAWC145 on February 05, 2012, 01:48:08 pm
Probably in the morning, like most other schools in the county
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Post by: Editor on February 05, 2012, 04:09:05 pm
You should be able to check here if the info is updated.  Just seen this link tweeted by HCC.

http://www.imodus.com/summary.aspx?company=99 (http://www.imodus.com/summary.aspx?company=99)
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Post by: saffie on February 05, 2012, 05:04:59 pm
Thanks I have been checking this and see that some schools are already making decisions which is nice as usually Brookmans Park waits till 8:55am!!!
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Post by: saffie on February 05, 2012, 05:09:09 pm
Blimey - they have made a decision!!!

It is open
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Post by: jmj on February 05, 2012, 08:38:05 pm
Thanks all. Given the state of the roads, we opted for Gobions and had a great time!  ;D
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Post by: Angel on February 06, 2012, 12:23:06 am
Blimey - they have made a decision!!!

It is open
Not necessarily!  Just had a look and the fields are blank on that link!
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Post by: saffie on February 06, 2012, 06:35:31 am
Not yesterday afternoon, it clearly said open.  Also we got info via parent mail that it is open
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Post by: Angel on February 06, 2012, 08:36:01 am
Not yesterday afternoon, it clearly said open.  Also we got info via parent mail that it is open

Yes, I saw that yesterday afternoon, just when I looked later it had been changed.  I presume that it is updated quite often as things can change very quickly. 
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Post by: Webman on February 08, 2012, 11:19:20 am
Some more...
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Post by: Editor on February 08, 2012, 12:27:41 pm
Mine didn't come out quite so, well, 'birdy'.

Great pictures. I am afraid there were snow pictures there, but I uploaded some pictures of birds later and they replaced them. I have now fixed it. Thanks for drawing my attention to it.

David

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Post by: NZer on February 09, 2012, 12:59:21 am
Lovely pictures David.  The view wasn't quite so good from the plane trying to take off from Heathrow to Hong Kong & Auckland on Saturday evening!!!
Finally took off the next day, 15hrs late with plane only going as far as Hong Kong.  Staff excellent (AirNZ) and was put on another airline from there so only 1 day late home. :)
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Post by: Editor on February 10, 2012, 07:30:51 am
A reminder. Check whether schools are open here.

http://www.imodus.com/summary.aspx?company=99 (http://www.imodus.com/summary.aspx?company=99)
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Post by: stevea on February 10, 2012, 09:05:05 am
Nice pictures  :)
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Post by: saffie on February 12, 2012, 07:27:58 am
Does anyone know when the bins will be collected?  Will they stay on their normal schedule, i.e now not collect the recycling put out this week and just collect rubbish that would be due on Thursday.

I have looked on the Hertfordshire and Welwyn and Hatfield sites but cannot find the info.
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Post by: Jean Hockings on February 12, 2012, 10:47:00 am
See http://www.welhat.gov.uk/index.aspx?articleid=4137 (http://www.welhat.gov.uk/index.aspx?articleid=4137)  for information
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Post by: BrookyP on February 13, 2012, 09:25:46 am
So I took in my bin like a good citizen (having taken WHC advice which they then changed at midnight last night!!).

They then rocked up this morning and emptied all the bins on the street. Nice!!

BP :icon_scratch:
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Post by: saffie on February 13, 2012, 02:17:42 pm
Us too!!!!  Really pee'd off why put a statement up and then do the opposite.  Now going to have to go down the dump - GREAT!!!

Thanks Welwyn and Hatfield
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Post by: Bob on February 13, 2012, 09:05:03 pm
They got it wrong in Cuffley as well but I think my road either didn't read the instructions or were too lazy like me so I think we all got done ok  :o
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Post by: chicken legs on February 13, 2012, 10:44:49 pm
Many thanks, BrookyP - I read your post this morning after taking in my bin.  I put it out again and it's been emptied  ;D
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Post by: BrookyP on February 14, 2012, 08:07:24 am
looking at that WHC link it look like its not just me that got missed.

 :mblah05:
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Post by: Editor on April 02, 2012, 04:28:59 pm
From Herts County Council.

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Post by: Editor on April 03, 2012, 11:43:09 am
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Post by: James Bentall on January 13, 2013, 06:56:18 pm
As we are due to get some snow tomorrow (Mon) I've put the webcam live.

Access at http://www.brookmans.com/webcam.php (http://www.brookmans.com/webcam.php)

to see if any snow is falling in the village centre (and whether the council have bothered to grit the roads...)

James
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Post by: larrylamb on January 13, 2013, 08:11:07 pm
As we are due to get some snow tomorrow (Mon) I've put the webcam live.

Access at http://www.brookmans.com/webcam.php (http://www.brookmans.com/webcam.php)

to see if any snow is falling in the village centre (and whether the council have bothered to grit the roads...)

James
Georges Wood Road will be gritted for the safety of all who use it, this is paid for by all the residents of the road, (well all except seven at the moment) Brookmans avenue will also be gritted again paid for by the majority of the residents.
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Post by: Mermaid on January 13, 2013, 08:44:38 pm
Many thanks to the thoughtful residents of Georges Wood Road and Brookmans Avenue who have paid to have the gritting done  :)

I guess we'll soon find out who the seven are who haven't paid when the snow falls ..........
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Post by: Editor on January 14, 2013, 08:14:57 am
Herts Co Co has a site with updates on any school closures due to bad weather. Here is the tweet with the link.

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Post by: BrookyP on January 14, 2013, 11:49:21 am
http://www.raintoday.co.uk/ (http://www.raintoday.co.uk/)

a good site for tracking (rain/snow in real time)

bp
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Post by: Local Walker on January 14, 2013, 11:54:47 am
Can someone clean the camera?
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Post by: Editor on January 14, 2013, 12:02:35 pm
Herts Highways has a site where you can search by postcode to see which roads will be visited by gritters.

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Post by: James Bentall on January 14, 2013, 01:19:58 pm
I think a net curtain has fallen in front of it :/

Will sort out later - sorry
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Post by: Therock on January 14, 2013, 04:48:22 pm
The residents of The Avenue, and Georges Wood Rd should charge the Council for letting the Refuse collectors up the road and Avenue. Now that would be a laugh. Shame on the 7 tight sods that havent yet paid, bet they still use the roads though!!!!!!  Selfish Tight Ars**s
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Post by: Peeplins on January 14, 2013, 11:23:47 pm
Interesting link - didn't realise Peplins Way was a secondary salting route!!  Perhaps the council should give this map to the gritter drivers before they leave the depot !! Have never known the gritters to venture off the main road through the village !
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Post by: BPNEWBIE on January 15, 2013, 02:35:25 pm
so the secondary routes are not being done, great for both schools! but there are also no salt bins in the village according to the map - helpful!
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Post by: Peeplins on January 15, 2013, 10:38:05 pm
The roads and pavement around school this morning were treacherous, so was surprised this evening to note they had completely thawed.  Shame the only gritter I saw was around 8pm -  griitting Brookmans Avenue / GWR!  ::)
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Post by: larrylamb on January 16, 2013, 06:17:04 am
The roads and pavement around school this morning were treacherous, so was surprised this evening to note they had completely thawed.  Shame the only gritter I saw was around 8pm -  griitting Brookmans Avenue / GWR!  ::)
As ive said thats because the majority of the residents pay for it out of their own pockets.

I can pass on the contractors number if you wish to arrange something for your ungritted road?
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Post by: Peeplins on January 17, 2013, 10:55:02 pm
The roads and pavement around school this morning were treacherous, so was surprised this evening to note they had completely thawed.  Shame the only gritter I saw was around 8pm -  griitting Brookmans Avenue / GWR!  ::)
As ive said thats because the majority of the residents pay for it out of their own pockets.

I can pass on the contractors number if you wish to arrange something for your ungritted road?

Thanks Larrylamb ... mines paid via council tax!  :) however that said I should have reported back that the roads and pavements had thawed by the time I ventured out early evening so all's well!
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Post by: larrylamb on January 18, 2013, 08:36:33 am
The roads and pavement around school this morning were treacherous, so was surprised this evening to note they had completely thawed.  Shame the only gritter I saw was around 8pm -  griitting Brookmans Avenue / GWR!  ::)
As ive said thats because the majority of the residents pay for it out of their own pockets.

I can pass on the contractors number if you wish to arrange something for your ungritted road?

Thanks Larrylamb ... mines paid via council tax!  :) however that said I should have reported back that the roads and pavements had thawed by the time I ventured out early evening so all's well!
Probably wont surprise you but we pay the same proportion for services in our council tax, we just dont receive the service of road gritting, road cleaning, drain gulley emptying, road maintenance, you would think if you dont receive the service you wouldnt have to pay for it!!!

It is the same for all unadopted roads in BP. :(
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Post by: Editor on January 18, 2013, 10:53:23 am
A reminder that there is a link for checking school closures.

http://www.imodus.com/summary.aspx?company=99 (http://www.imodus.com/summary.aspx?company=99)
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Post by: southbury on January 18, 2013, 11:43:27 am
thanks Dave .

I see BP Primary School is closing at 12.45.

Personally I find this staggering. The vast majority of children (though not all) live within walking distance . If the roads get bad the staff can get home by hook or by crook ( public transport, walking - just like the rest of us). I just do not understand it.  Are all the nurses , police, fire-briagde , doctors ' getting away early' today ?

I am fed up explaining to my children the virtues of 'making an effort' , perseverance and 'needing to adapt when things don't go your way' for them to be shown the opposite example.
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Post by: Editor on January 18, 2013, 12:48:55 pm
A message to the woman in the white BMW 4x4 who followed me into Brookmans Park along Hawkshead Lane this morning. The reason I was driving cautiously was that it was almost down to one lane, the snow was building up and it was too dangerous to go any faster. You may be an advanced driver, but driving too close to the car in front in these conditions is not recommended. Trying to put pressure on the driver in front is not a good idea either.
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Post by: pinchefalise on January 18, 2013, 12:53:33 pm
I agree absolutely. get on with life - this is winter.
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Post by: mannyd on January 18, 2013, 01:17:07 pm
I remember being collected by my dad, who had to wear fishing wellies and carry me because the snow was so deep (up North I might add!) - he had 4 trips with all my siblings! But even then the school didn't close early - it was normal school end time.

On Monday the primary school said we could collect at 2pm - I didn't (as I'm a walk-to-schooler), and bot my kids were virtually the last ones left in their classes.

I think the issue is driving conditions for the staff - in my day the teachers usually lived fairly locally too, although now that's not always the case.

I agree today though - I had an essential jorney to make, and the roads were OK with caution - certainly I think we are far too eager to close the school for an inch of snow (or less!)
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Post by: Editor on January 18, 2013, 01:54:12 pm
Thought it would be worth having a thread for people to post snow reports and pics for local roads. I have just been for a walk down Moffats and along Bluebridge.  Here is how it looked at 13:30 on Friday 18 January 2013.

(http://www.brookmans.com/news/january13/bb1330.JPG)

Bluebridge looking south

(http://www.brookmans.com/news/january13/moffats1330.JPG)

Moffats looking east

(http://www.brookmans.com/news/january13/bb_moffats1330.JPG)

Bluebridge looking north
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Post by: larrylamb on January 18, 2013, 02:00:51 pm
thanks Dave .

I see BP Primary School is closing at 12.45.

Personally I find this staggering. The vast majority of children (though not all) live within walking distance . If the roads get bad the staff can get home by hook or by crook ( public transport, walking - just like the rest of us). I just do not understand it.  Are all the nurses , police, fire-briagde , doctors ' getting away early' today ?

I am fed up explaining to my children the virtues of 'making an effort' , perseverance and 'needing to adapt when things don't go your way' for them to be shown the opposite example.
I think it is about accountability and risk, the sooner the kids are off the school premises the less likely the council are open to claims/criticism.

It is a shame but thats how society has become now.
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Post by: Mermaid on January 18, 2013, 02:07:06 pm
I couldn't agree more, and a message to the selfish and impatient person in the large grey car (prob Volvo) backing out of a driveway in Moffats Lane at about 11.00am this morning and hooting because I was stationary on the OTHER side of the road and was 'in their way'. I was waiting for a large courier van coming up the hill - with all the parking on my side of the road, I couldn't move!! Try looking at what is happening on the road for a change!

B****y selfish and arrogant driving is bad enough normally, in these conditions it's unforgivable!
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Post by: James Bentall on January 18, 2013, 02:09:36 pm
Don't forget the webcam is giving an up to date view of the main road for those interested

http://www.brookmans.com/webcam.php (http://www.brookmans.com/webcam.php)
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Post by: Editor on January 18, 2013, 02:13:10 pm
I saw another hard-to-believe incident just now as I returned from a walk in Gobions.

At the corner of Bluebridge and Moffats a woman driving a silver blue Merc 4x4 attempted the turn into Moffats with one hand on the wheel while talking on her mobile phone.

Of course it proved too difficult and she couldn't make the turn smoothly, so other vehicles had to stop and let her regain control. But the phone stayed in her hand and she continued to talk. I watched in amazement.

Please note:  This is not a rant against women drivers or 4x4s, it's just that they are the facts of the two appalling driving displays I witnessed today.
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Post by: southbury on January 18, 2013, 02:44:54 pm
What exactly are the risks ?

The children stay in doors doing their lessons until 3.15 and then get picked up by their parent/ carer and walked to the school gates and off the School grounds.

Is the risk so great of a serious accident and a lawsuit on that treacherous 50-60 yard walk from classroom to gates that the school should be closed early denying the children and afternoon's lessons?

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Post by: Editor on January 18, 2013, 03:03:05 pm
Some updated pics one and a half hours later.  Bluebridge seems to be slushy and we rather than icy at the moment. Moffats is looking more difficult.

(http://www.brookmans.com/news/january13/bbn1500.jpg)

Bluebridge looking north from Moffats at 14:45 Jan 13

(http://www.brookmans.com/news/january13/moffats1500.jpg)

Moffats looking east at 14:45 Jan 13
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Post by: larrylamb on January 18, 2013, 03:07:35 pm
What exactly are the risks ?

The children stay in doors doing their lessons until 3.15 and then get picked up by their parent/ carer and walked to the school gates and off the School grounds.

Is the risk so great of a serious accident and a lawsuit on that treacherous 50-60 yard walk from classroom to gates that the school should be closed early denying the children and afternoon's lessons?
I am not disagreeing with you its just my interpretation of the probable logic behind it. The rationale must be the more snow that settles the greater the risk of accidents so the greater risk of a claim. councils and the like are very vulnerable to claims, they are just protecting their position to the detrement of the kids.
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Post by: southbury on January 18, 2013, 04:10:47 pm
Understood Larry .

What does everyone else think ?
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Post by: Editor on January 18, 2013, 05:00:58 pm
All looking fairly good at 16:30 ish on Friday 18 Jan.

(http://www.brookmans.com/news/january13/bpvillage1.jpg)

Porche struggles to get round Bradmore Green and up Brookmans Avenue

(http://www.brookmans.com/news/january13/bpvillage2.jpg)

Seems okay on Station Road

(http://www.brookmans.com/news/january13/bpvillage3.jpg)

Bluebridge Road  seems fine

(http://www.brookmans.com/news/january13/bpvillage4.jpg)

Not so sure about Moffats
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Post by: BrookyP on January 18, 2013, 06:17:36 pm
I never drive in this weather David, its not worth the drama-too many nut bags out there :-\

got the beers/food in last nite and going to have a quiet one and take a load off 8)

bp
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Post by: Editor on January 18, 2013, 06:22:43 pm
I never drive in this weather David, its not worth the drama-too many nut bags out there :-\

got the beers/food in last nite and going to have a quiet one and take a load off 8)

bp

Sanity in a carrier bag.

 :)
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Post by: Therock on January 18, 2013, 06:58:02 pm
Forget your cars, and get the Wellies or walking shoes on, and get rid of some of that Christmas lard ! Think of the exercise. Cars cars cars who cares!  Use your feet.
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Post by: Peeplins on January 18, 2013, 07:49:44 pm
Understood Larry .

What does everyone else think ?

I think it maybe the distance some of the teaching staff may have to travel home and conditions nearer to where they live may be worse than here in BP, but I tend to agree school seems to be quick to close early, which can cause problems for those Parents that work some distance away and are not necessarily able to leave earlier due to weather conditions.
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Post by: Mr Green on January 18, 2013, 10:17:18 pm
The local shops and businesses don't close early because they loose income. The school however has a guaranteed tax payer income and can close without consequence. There is no substantial increased risk to the children and caving in under moderate snowfall is pathetic. I suspect most of the children who left school early went to Gobions; sledged, throw snowballs or ran and jumped headlong into snowmen - which is clearly less hazardous than sitting in a warm classroom.
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Post by: mannyd on January 18, 2013, 11:00:55 pm
Therock - sometimes there ARE essential journeys to make! I am all for walking everywhere (my kids are never ferried to/from school by car, we use our feet), but today I had a funeral to attend - I couldn't walk to Watford!
In the main though I agree - most people are too eager to jump in the car (sometimes mine only gets used for a once a week run to Potters Bar for the supermarket shop). But I definitely won't be using it while the snow hangs around
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Post by: larrylamb on January 19, 2013, 12:18:39 pm
Forget your cars, and get the Wellies or walking shoes on, and get rid of some of that Christmas lard ! Think of the exercise. Cars cars cars who cares!  Use your feet.
I thought you said you had a Hummer for snow covered roads and to accommodate your long legs.....
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Post by: Therock on January 19, 2013, 01:29:20 pm
Mannyd, I agree with you 100% as regards the requirements for use of cars!. But Larrylamb I would presume is one of the Fanatic car users and would use the car just to go to the Indian takeaway or Chinese takeaway instead of the use of  his LEGS.  As regards the Hummer that was sold because I could not afford the petrol due to the Tax rises by the goverment so it was my own fault. (lesson learnt) I am now looking for a nice low emmision car with no road tax and something that will get me up Moffats Lane when there is snow   and ice on the road. My legs take me walking everyday, because I dont want to be a overweight Lardy!! Mind the snow and ice tommorow on the way to the Chinese!!!!!!!
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Post by: Peeplins on January 19, 2013, 01:55:16 pm
What a surprise ... have just seen the gritter in Peplins Way .... I think it was lost as they didn't grit the road!!
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Post by: Dilbert on January 19, 2013, 06:33:09 pm
...equally very surprised :o to see the gritter in Bluebridge Avenue and he did grit the road so good news  ;D
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Post by: pinchefalise on January 19, 2013, 07:14:50 pm
Also seen working for half of  Westland Drive -   it melted a little bit, that thawed but has now frozen over so it will be worse tomorrow!
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Post by: Editor on January 20, 2013, 11:19:30 am
A few pictures of some of the roads in Brookmans Park today, Sunday 20 January, at 10:30. 

(http://www.brookmans.com/news/january13/bg2.jpg)

(http://www.brookmans.com/news/january13/ba1.jpg)

(http://www.brookmans.com/news/january13/bmg1.jpg)

(http://www.brookmans.com/news/january13/m1.jpg)

(http://www.brookmans.com/news/january13/bbm1.jpg)

(http://www.brookmans.com/news/january13/bb1.jpg)
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Post by: Mermaid on January 20, 2013, 02:58:32 pm
I think a net curtain has fallen in front of it :/

Will sort out later - sorry

Hi James, still very blurry pics  ???  I know you're very limited in what you can do, and we're very grateful that you do it at all, but is there any way that the pics can be made any clearer?
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Post by: Therock on January 20, 2013, 04:00:47 pm
I was told on Friday by some Dumb woman at Chancellors, that my son aged 16 cant walk home on his own due to health and Safety. I had to explain that he walked to school on his own in the snow. ???? why are people like this working.  The school said he would have to wait till 1oclock to leave. I explained that he and many children walk to school without no pavement access so this is A health and safety issue as well. The world has gone Mad. As was said in a earlier post most teachers at schools lived locally, but today they are living 20-30 miles from the school hence, snow problems they cant mnake it.  The biggest problem is Pine Grove which is not being gritted Hence no cars or coaches can get up the hill. No Grit No School .
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: saffie on January 20, 2013, 05:09:15 pm
It would be helpful if the schools in the village could let parents know ASAP what they are planning to do re opening tomorrow instead of leaving the decision to the usual 8:30am in the morning.  Some parents have childcare planning to do if the schools know they will not be opening.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Peeplins on January 20, 2013, 05:32:25 pm
It would be helpful if the schools in the village could let parents know ASAP what they are planning to do re opening tomorrow instead of leaving the decision to the usual 8:30am in the morning.  Some parents have childcare planning to do if the schools know they will not be opening.

Whole heartedly agree, have just checked the link David posted at the top of this thread and some schools have already updated this to advise closure for tomorrow.  Will just have to keep checking I guess!
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Post by: saffie on January 20, 2013, 05:35:58 pm
Thats what I am doing but as other schools are updating and the conditions in the village are quite bad I would have hoped that the schools could make up their mind ASAP so we can plan for tomorrow.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Peeplins on January 20, 2013, 05:42:49 pm
Thats what I am doing but as other schools are updating and the conditions in the village are quite bad I would have hoped that the schools could make up their mind ASAP so we can plan for tomorrow.

I would plan for BP being closed due to site conditions! ::)  Perhaps we should start a vote as to whether school will be open or closed!   ;D
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Post by: saffie on January 20, 2013, 05:43:45 pm
closed!!
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Post by: James Bentall on January 20, 2013, 07:10:49 pm
We have had official messages from Brookmans Park School and Chancellors School to say they will be closed on Mon 21st January. The exception is for exam students at Chancellors who should go in as normal.

James
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: John_fraser on January 20, 2013, 07:34:44 pm
Mean while, those of with jobs in companies not supported by the taxpayer, jobs where the company has to remain profitable in order for us to keep our jobs, will go to work as per normal. Unless we need to stay at home to look after our children, because the teaching staff can't be bothered to come in. In which case we'll have to use one of our very few and very valuable vacation days. Pathetic!

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Post by: southbury on January 20, 2013, 07:39:02 pm
John, you beat me to it !
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Post by: LongTallSally on January 20, 2013, 08:31:56 pm
I am fed up explaining to my children the virtues of 'making an effort' , perseverance and 'needing to adapt when things don't go your way' for them to be shown the opposite example.

Well said, southbury! I think it's a disgrace the schools are shut.

Mean while, those of with jobs in companies not supported by the taxpayer, jobs where the company has to remain profitable in order for us to keep our jobs, will go to work as per normal. Unless we need to stay at home to look after our children, because the teaching staff can't be bothered to come in. In which case we'll have to use one of our very few and very valuable vacation days. Pathetic!

John, that's because you have to fund their generous pensions, while they put their feet up!
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Dilbert on January 20, 2013, 08:57:41 pm
Whilst i am not a parent myself I have every sympathy for those who are and have to manage around these mad school closures...on a slightly lighter note, I work for a financial institution who are half funded by the tax payer so I am hoping I get a 1/2 day off tomorrow !!!
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: James Bentall on January 20, 2013, 09:17:05 pm
Yes it is a bit rubbish isn't it.  Will have another play and see what I can do but it's difficult in the dark...

Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Phil_Holm on January 20, 2013, 09:21:09 pm
I'm sorry, John Fraser, south bury and long tall Sally. But you are completely out of order here.

I can't believe nor can i ignore these bigoted, ignorant comments.

I am the Chair of Governors for Chancellor's School.

The head teacher went up to the school this afternoon (Sunday) to see the conditions.  Presumably when you were all looking out your windows and moaning about the bad weather.  He will not be paid extra for working on Sunday afternoon.  We then spent approximately half an hour discussing whether the school should open or not.

It's a complex decision, based largely upon the safety of the students.

The School itself is completely covered in snow, all the outdoor corridors and walkways.

Pine Grove is not gritted.  And is treacherous at the moment.  A lot of our students travel to the school by bus, and the buses find it impossible to get up the small incline on Pine Grove.  And if they do get up there, they face the problem of getting back down the very icy long slow hill down.

Yes we could drop the students at the bottom of Pine Grove and get them to walk up to the school, but Last year, a couple of buses decided they couldn't make the journey from Potters Bar to Chancellor's, and turned back.  They dropped the coach load of students off in Tesco car park.  I wonder who's responsibility that was, with 70 Chancellor's students potentially wandering around the streets of Potters Bar, whilst both parents were at work.

On top of this there are buses that come into the school from the various villages, which would be dangerous too. 

Then there is the issue of staff getting to the school.  There are very few teachers who live in the village.  Consequently, we have the dilemma that there may not be sufficient staff to supervise the students in sufficient numbers.

So thus has absolutely NOTHING to do with teachers, pensions, state paid staff.

As you have opinions on school decisions, please contact me about putting your money where your mouth is, and volunteer to be on the board of governors.

The post i asked James Bentall to place here earlier today, was to inform parents of Chancellor's students about the decision to close the school, so that they could make the necessary child care measures.

Please in box me here if you would like to know more details about the other aspects involved in this decision.

PHIL Holm
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Phil_Holm on January 20, 2013, 09:27:40 pm
Pathetic!

Yes John. I completely agree
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Post by: sharks on January 20, 2013, 09:53:50 pm
Well said Phil.

Clearly the locals have been cooped up in doors too long today.  How about instead of having a go at school staff and governors who are doing their best for the local children, locals write to the council to query the sense in leaving Pine Grove unsalted and risking the safety of our children.

Maybe that's a more positive action.

Dave Sharkey.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Phil_Holm on January 20, 2013, 10:02:00 pm
That ball started rolling last week.

Justin Donovan Herts Head of Education. and Grant Shapps have both taken up the cause for us. 

It's rubbish that we can't get Pine Grove gritted

In the words of John Fraser

Pathetic
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: LongTallSally on January 20, 2013, 10:08:32 pm
I'm sorry, John Fraser, south bury and long tall Sally. But you are completely out of order here.

I can't believe nor can i ignore these bigoted, ignorant comments.

How rude! What just because we disagree with you? Last time I looked it was a free country.

And for your information, I was a governor at Chancellors School and am fully aware of the exceptionally generous funding the school receives from the beleaguered tax payer.  Quite frankly, the parents deserve better.  If you want people to be on the governing board, it might help if you arrange meetings later than 6pm.

The head teacher of Chancellors school receives a substantial salary, why should he be paid on Sunday when plenty of people in this country work for far less and don't get paid in those circumstances?


Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: LongTallSally on January 20, 2013, 10:11:25 pm
And the children deserve better
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: John_fraser on January 20, 2013, 10:21:07 pm
Phil,

I suggest you look up the words bigoted and ignorant, because they clearly do not mean what you think they mean. I haven't spent the day looking out of the window. I spent most of today and yesterday in the scout hut helping to build the assault course. Somehow the delicate children of the area will get to use it despite the snow. On Tuesday I will take a group of children on a night hike through the snow. These are the same children the schools feel are too delicate to get to school durring the day because a road less than 1/4 of a mile long is not gritted.

You excuse this ridiculous decision on Pine Grove not being gritted, but as the Chair of Governors what are you doing about that? Have you encouraged the parents to write letters of protest to the council? No! Have you even written to the council to point out that the children of the area are unable to walk the last 1/4 of a mile to school? Last year, after 'a couple of buses' (out of how many?) decided they wouldn't make the journey up the heavily used and heavily gritted A1000, did you write to the bus companies protesting? Did you point out to the parents they could catch a train to Brookmans Park and walk?

Yes, some children will have problems, but most will not. Parents should decide if it's safe for their children to make the journey and not have the decision forced upon them by the school. The child care arrangements, as you so quaintly put it, means people who don't get months of holiday each year will have to take a day off. Some will lose pay.

I also notice that NMYP managed to hold a meetings on Friday night in the same school that was shut earlier in the day due to the snow.

The staff will have problems, but that is the nature of the job. I don't live near my place of work, but I will get there tomorrow. I will get there before 8am and planned meetings mean I'll still be there at 6:30pm. That's because, like most people, I don't have the option of declaring a 'snow day' and taking the day off.

I'm happy to be governor. Maybe it would bring a more realistic attitude to the board and may help them with the next OFSTED report.


 

Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Phil_Holm on January 20, 2013, 10:37:04 pm
Whatever.

Actually I just checked and we have a full compliment of Governors at the moment.   But I will let you know the moment I get wind of a vacancy.

You might be interested to know that Owens, Mount Grace, BP Primary, and Little Heath are also closed tomorrow.

Like I said before, the idea here was to use this forum to alert working parents to the fact that Chancellor's was closed.

I forgot that I would then have to spend the next 4 hours having to justify the decision to well meaning members of the community.

I wish I hadn't bothered.

Perhaps parents can follow Chancellor's on Twitter, or look at the school or county web site for snow updates.  It's so much less complicated.

Phil
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Post by: peppermint on January 20, 2013, 10:48:24 pm
Phil,  As the Chair of Governors at Chancellors and therefore a member of a corporate body, would you be prepared to read your post out at the next Governors meeting for their approval or ratification because I find your comment that the views of local residents and, presumably, parents of Chancellors students are bigoted and ignorant to be particularly insulting and your latest post offensive.  If I was a governor at Chancellors you certainly wouldn't be speaking on behalf of me.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: John_fraser on January 20, 2013, 10:53:35 pm
peppermint posted while I was writing this. They put it so well I was tempted not to post, but feel I can not leave your post unchallenged by me:

Whatever? What are you, 13 years old?

We appear to have upset you. Although I don't think it's true to say you spent 4 hours trying to justify the decision, as you plainly have failed to justify anything.

Posting here was the least you could do. And I do mean the least. If our challenging of your decision upsets you that much maybe you shouldn't be in that position. That would free up a place on the board.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Phil_Holm on January 20, 2013, 11:05:06 pm
Yes John I am 13.

This is pointless

The school is closed tomorrow.

I'm going to bed.

And in the morning - nothing will have changed.
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Post by: Conor on January 20, 2013, 11:06:51 pm
You might be interested to know that Owens, Mount Grace, BP Primary, and Little Heath are also closed tomorrow.

I find it more interesting that the three local independent schools - Lochinver, Stormont and Queenswood are open tomorrow (although Queenswood do advise they expect girls not to travel but will be open for them if they wish to come in).

Lochinver even advise parents not to drive up Heath Road but to (heaven help us) walk the last part.

So how come the local private schools can manage it if the state schools can't?

Conor
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Post by: Peeplins on January 20, 2013, 11:42:44 pm
Oh dear ... all a little fraught!  Luckily I will be able to work from home tomorrow, however not sure what I am going to do if school remains shut on Tuesday as not sure my employers will remain so understanding, nor the fact that I have meetings arranged.  Am keeping my fingers crossed that decision is made early enough to try and make arrangements.

I note on the school closures site that some schools have asked for volunteers to help clear the school grounds in preparation for being in a position to re-open on Tuesday.  Wonder if both our local schools are in a position to request same and then all those forced to remain in the village could lend a hand (and a shovel)....just a thought!
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Peeplins on January 21, 2013, 12:36:00 am
Just checked my emails - Parent Mail received from the head advising school closed and requesting help to clear school paths. 

The Site Manager will be at the school to clear paths from 2pm if anyone is able to help.  I am sure all help would be greatly appreciated by all parents and staff of the school.


Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on January 21, 2013, 07:22:16 am
A reminder of the link for those wanting to check on school closures.

http://www.imodus.com/summary.aspx?company=99 (http://www.imodus.com/summary.aspx?company=99)

David
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Trent on January 21, 2013, 07:36:59 am
I for one am pleased that Chancellors is shut. The snow is easily ankle deep. My children, who walk, had seriously cold and painful feet when they came in on Friday. Their shoes were soaked and most likely damaged. Moffats Lane and Pine Grove have not been gritted and cars are really struggling this morning. On Friday, each of the 100's of cars that used the route to get to Chancellors  just polished the surface a little more. If all those cars were driving over the un gritted roads today, there would be real problems and definite accidents. Perhaps the Headmaster has done the village a huge favour by reducing the traffic on our roads?? Just a thought.....

The Chancellors website has been clearly updated with instructions to work from home and how to access the work that has been set. In general, these secondary school aged children are old enough to be left at home unsupervised. The decision was made early to allow people to plan ahead.

It seems to me ' you can't please everyone!' Try and enjoy the day folks, the snow will be gone all too soon....
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: larrylamb on January 21, 2013, 08:27:58 am
I'm sorry, John Fraser, south bury and long tall Sally. But you are completely out of order here.

I can't believe nor can i ignore these bigoted, ignorant comments.

I am the Chair of Governors for Chancellor's School.

The head teacher went up to the school this afternoon (Sunday) to see the conditions.  Presumably when you were all looking out your windows and moaning about the bad weather.  He will not be paid extra for working on Sunday afternoon.  We then spent approximately half an hour discussing whether the school should open or not.

It's a complex decision, based largely upon the safety of the students.

The School itself is completely covered in snow, all the outdoor corridors and walkways.

Pine Grove is not gritted.  And is treacherous at the moment.  A lot of our students travel to the school by bus, and the buses find it impossible to get up the small incline on Pine Grove.  And if they do get up there, they face the problem of getting back down the very icy long slow hill down.

Yes we could drop the students at the bottom of Pine Grove and get them to walk up to the school, but Last year, a couple of buses decided they couldn't make the journey from Potters Bar to Chancellor's, and turned back.  They dropped the coach load of students off in Tesco car park.  I wonder who's responsibility that was, with 70 Chancellor's students potentially wandering around the streets of Potters Bar, whilst both parents were at work.

On top of this there are buses that come into the school from the various villages, which would be dangerous too. 

Then there is the issue of staff getting to the school.  There are very few teachers who live in the village.  Consequently, we have the dilemma that there may not be sufficient staff to supervise the students in sufficient numbers.

So thus has absolutely NOTHING to do with teachers, pensions, state paid staff.

As you have opinions on school decisions, please contact me about putting your money where your mouth is, and volunteer to be on the board of governors.

The post i asked James Bentall to place here earlier today, was to inform parents of Chancellor's students about the decision to close the school, so that they could make the necessary child care measures.

Please in box me here if you would like to know more details about the other aspects involved in this decision.

PHIL Holm
Phil have you asked Herts Highways why they dont grit Pine Grove? they dont grit Georges Wood Road either, but the residents do something about it. If you want your school open call AA Sherriff & son on  01727 851837 they will grit Pine Grove its not expensive and im sure county will reimburse the school.
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Post by: sasquartch on January 21, 2013, 09:40:55 am
As a parent with three children at the school I'm disappointed although unsuprised at the closure of Chancellor's.

Rather than everyone getting upset with each other can we not try and learn from this and put measures in place so that perhaps next year we won't need to close schools.

I'd suggest :

1. Ensuring Pine Grove is gritted, whether this has to be paid for by the school or not.
2. Having ample supplies of grit available at the school for treating the pathways. Easily available during the summer months
3. Having a contingency plan so that pupils CAN be dropped off either in the village centre (which today was completely accessible) or at the bottom of Pine Grove
4. Relaxing uniform rules so that clothing and footwear suitable for the conditions can be worn.

I'm sure there are other things but surely the important thing is to do something positive to minimise the chances of this happening again. Hopefully the governors will take this post in the positive spirit it is intended to be.
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Post by: larrylamb on January 21, 2013, 09:54:59 am
I'm sorry, John Fraser, south bury and long tall Sally. But you are completely out of order here.

I can't believe nor can i ignore these bigoted, ignorant comments.

I am the Chair of Governors for Chancellor's School.

The head teacher went up to the school this afternoon (Sunday) to see the conditions.  Presumably when you were all looking out your windows and moaning about the bad weather.  He will not be paid extra for working on Sunday afternoon.  We then spent approximately half an hour discussing whether the school should open or not.

It's a complex decision, based largely upon the safety of the students.

The School itself is completely covered in snow, all the outdoor corridors and walkways.

Pine Grove is not gritted.  And is treacherous at the moment.  A lot of our students travel to the school by bus, and the buses find it impossible to get up the small incline on Pine Grove.  And if they do get up there, they face the problem of getting back down the very icy long slow hill down.

Yes we could drop the students at the bottom of Pine Grove and get them to walk up to the school, but Last year, a couple of buses decided they couldn't make the journey from Potters Bar to Chancellor's, and turned back.  They dropped the coach load of students off in Tesco car park.  I wonder who's responsibility that was, with 70 Chancellor's students potentially wandering around the streets of Potters Bar, whilst both parents were at work.

On top of this there are buses that come into the school from the various villages, which would be dangerous too. 

Then there is the issue of staff getting to the school.  There are very few teachers who live in the village.  Consequently, we have the dilemma that there may not be sufficient staff to supervise the students in sufficient numbers.

So thus has absolutely NOTHING to do with teachers, pensions, state paid staff.

As you have opinions on school decisions, please contact me about putting your money where your mouth is, and volunteer to be on the board of governors.

The post i asked James Bentall to place here earlier today, was to inform parents of Chancellor's students about the decision to close the school, so that they could make the necessary child care measures.

Please in box me here if you would like to know more details about the other aspects involved in this decision.

PHIL Holm
Phil have you asked Herts Highways why they dont grit Pine Grove? they dont grit Georges Wood Road either, but the residents do something about it. If you want your school open call AA Sherriff & son on  01727 851837 they will grit Pine Grove its not expensive and im sure county will reimburse the school.
The fact that you think the head teacher deserves some credit for going into work on a Sunday tells me all i need to know about your mindset.

if the school management had spent as much effort on a finding a solution rather than on excuses the school would be open this morning.

what an example to set the schoolchildren.
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Post by: BrookyP on January 21, 2013, 10:06:15 am
It was very pleasant-the carrier bag is now empty sadly.

We finished off with a dusk walk in gobions on sunday. Like Narnia-V Nice.  8)

bp
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Post by: John_fraser on January 21, 2013, 12:19:30 pm
Phil, the School performed poorly in the last OFSTED which was critical of the governing body. I have hopes that the new head will sort the problems out. But your posts here display a temperamental strop unworthy of the 13 year old you claim to be. As The Chair of Governors this is another poor example to be setting to the pupils.

Trent, parents can decide if they feel it is safe and reasonable for their children to go to school. Not knowing where you live r your children I can't make comment, but I would be a little surprised if the majority of children enjoying an unexpected day off aren't out sledging and throwing snow balls without too much concern for the cold.

sasquartch, I pretty much agree with you, except that if people don't point out this is a bad decision then it will continue to be made every time there is more than a couple of inches of snow.

Larrylamb, I never thought I'd say this, but I totally agree with your last post. Please don't make a habit of it :)
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Post by: Phil_Holm on January 21, 2013, 12:50:03 pm
I had just returned from Asia when I posted my comments yesterday and, on reflection, I did not present the school closure in the best possible light. I apologise for any offence I might have caused.
 
I was not representing the views of the school or the Headteacher, I was giving my views as a parent and villager - I should not have stated that I was the Chair of Governors.
 
I was aware of and agreed with the reasons why the school was to close and I thought it would be helpful to share this on the community website.
 
The school will be open tomorrow. I am aware that the school's site team have been working from 7 am to clear the pathways and this work has not yet been completed. The school site was unsuitable for conducting a normal school day for 1100 students safely. Additionally, there would have been travel issues for many students and parents who live in the villages surrounding Brookmans Park.
 
The public examinations this morning have gone ahead as planned and there will be further exams this afternoon. All students, who needed to be in school, have attended.
 
Work has been set for students to complete independently at home today and this has been communicated to them through the school website and text messages.
 
This will be my last posting on brookmans.com, as clearly my well-meaning and helpful advice to parents regarding the closure of the school has sparked a political debate, which was not my intention at all.
 
If you feel you could contribute to the school, and wish to be considered as a governor, please contact the school office.

Phil
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Post by: larrylamb on January 21, 2013, 01:34:00 pm
Phil, the School performed poorly in the last OFSTED which was critical of the governing body. I have hopes that the new head will sort the problems out. But your posts here display a temperamental strop unworthy of the 13 year old you claim to be. As The Chair of Governors this is another poor example to be setting to the pupils.

Trent, parents can decide if they feel it is safe and reasonable for their children to go to school. Not knowing where you live r your children I can't make comment, but I would be a little surprised if the majority of children enjoying an unexpected day off aren't out sledging and throwing snow balls without too much concern for the cold.

sasquartch, I pretty much agree with you, except that if people don't point out this is a bad decision then it will continue to be made every time there is more than a couple of inches of snow.

Larrylamb, I never thought I'd say this, but I totally agree with your last post. Please don't make a habit of it :)
I'm sure it is just a blip John.  ;)
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: LongTallSally on January 21, 2013, 03:28:36 pm
Phil,  As the Chair of Governors at Chancellors and therefore a member of a corporate body, would you be prepared to read your post out at the next Governors meeting for their approval or ratification because I find your comment that the views of local residents and, presumably, parents of Chancellors students are bigoted and ignorant to be particularly insulting and your latest post offensive.  If I was a governor at Chancellors you certainly wouldn't be speaking on behalf of me.

Well said, peppermint! I totally agree.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: sasquartch on January 21, 2013, 04:16:07 pm
I think that Phil Holm seems to have taken a lot of flak regarding the school's closure today.

Let's not forget that Phil and other governors have worked extremely hard for the good of the school and it's pupils over recent years and since the appointment of Mr Croston I have seen (my perception as a parent of three pupils) a huge improvement and am confident that the next Ofsted results will be much improved.

The governors do a largely thankless task and whilst I am not saying that I necessarily agree with everything regarding today's closure I'd like to think that lessons can be learned and perhaps next winter we'll be better prepared for snow.

Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: John_fraser on January 21, 2013, 05:56:20 pm
Phil,

Your first post on this thread here was to accuse me and others of making "bigoted, ignorant comments." You have apologised, but your claim that you gave "well-meaning and helpful advice" somewhat undermines the sincerity of your apology. There was no 'political' debate and what debate there was was not  'sparked' by your post. The school was criticised for closing too easily. You have attempted and IMHO failed to justify this decision. Why is the school open tomorrow when it was not today? Is Pine Grove now gritted? Have the bus companies guaranteed to run the service? Other than the clearing of the paths, which was never mentioned in your posts, what changed?


Sasquartch,

I also have hopes Mr Croston will improve things and I agree he seems to be heading in the right direction. One bad decision doesn't change that. But let's put aside the rose tinted glasses. According to the last OFSTED report "The effectiveness of the governing body in challenging and supporting the school so that weakness are tackled decisively and statutory responsibilities met" was rated '4'. Where 4 is 'inadequate' and the lowest possible grade. That was two years ago and many governors do work very hard for little or no thanks, but if The Chair of Governors is going to behave like this when the school is criticised I'm not sure lessons will be learned.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Greybeard on January 24, 2013, 08:00:57 am
Yes, as well as closing schools they suspended refuse collections. "A partial refuse collection service will take place today after a two day suspension of services due to heavy snow fall and ice", reported the WHT yesterday.

http://tinyurl.com/ayz5t48 (http://tinyurl.com/ayz5t48)

Happily, our recycling's just been collected.
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Post by: Alex on January 24, 2013, 10:25:16 pm
 ;D

so has ours - great service as far as I'm concerned!
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Editor on January 25, 2013, 07:00:03 am
Yes, our recycling was all collected on time yesterday, too. Great effort considering the service disruption caused by the weather. Well done the refuse collection team. FYI, WHC has a page with updates service disruptions.

http://www.welhat.gov.uk/index.aspx?articleid=4696 (http://www.welhat.gov.uk/index.aspx?articleid=4696)
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Mermaid on January 25, 2013, 10:44:22 am
Yes, our recycling was all collected on time yesterday, too. Great effort considering the service disruption caused by the weather. Well done the refuse collection team. FYI, WHC has a page with updates service disruptions.

Hear, hear  :)
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: sasquartch on January 25, 2013, 05:49:28 pm
Peplins Way recycling NOT collected.

And looks like it wont be for 2 weeks.

Not impressed.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: larrylamb on January 25, 2013, 06:34:58 pm
Peplins Way recycling NOT collected.

And looks like it wont be for 2 weeks.

Not impressed.
If the authorities worked together and all roads were gritted -


1) Rubbish and recycling would be collected.

2) schools would remain open.

3) There would be no frost damage to roads so this would vastly cut down on potholes forming.

4) commercial activities continue thereby wealth is created to enable taxes to be paid.

surely gritting all the roads in the first instant is more cost effective and less inconvenient to the tax payer?
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: Aloo on January 28, 2013, 05:19:08 pm
I've just called the Council who say they won't be collecting the recycling until the next scheduled collection - which is in Februry.  MEANWHILE with the wind and rain toppling the bins, plastic and sodden cardboard is being spread around Peplins Way.   Please can you spread the word to neighbours to bring their bins back in, because no one is going to collect the recycling until February - and even then I doubt the council will do anything about any of the rubbish currently blowing in the wind.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: larrylamb on January 28, 2013, 06:20:15 pm
I've just called the Council who say they won't be collecting the recycling until the next scheduled collection - which is in Februry.  MEANWHILE with the wind and rain toppling the bins, plastic and sodden cardboard is being spread around Peplins Way.   Please can you spread the word to neighbours to bring their bins back in, because no one is going to collect the recycling until February - and even then I doubt the council will do anything about any of the rubbish currently blowing in the wind.
Yes but Moffats was serviced so the council must be praised.
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: chicken legs on January 28, 2013, 09:05:27 pm
Surely the good residents of Peplins Way will collect any rubbish/cardboard blowing around Peplins Way.

 :icon_jokercolor:
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: tombakhurst on March 23, 2013, 10:41:52 pm
May be a cool idea to have cams all year round in Village, perhaps (if possible) some in Gobions focusing on wildlife such as the pond and bird nesting areas? May not be practical but would be fun to see the season change in the woods and the wildlife that varies with this.

Tom  :)
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: sasquartch on March 24, 2013, 10:38:55 am
I'd like to see a flycam - to catch the flytippers down Bradmore Lane.

Some sort of hidden solar powered camera perhaps ?

Would pay for itself with just one hefty fine from someone caught in the act.

Can't see the council doing anything as imaginative as this though
Title: Re: Snow and ice updates re roads, services, schools, fun and pics
Post by: epiphany on March 24, 2013, 01:04:37 pm
Brilliant idea, sasquartch.