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Title: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: Largey on November 07, 2006, 01:10:13 pm
Does anyone know why the RVC has dozens of vehicles parked along Hawkeshead Lane. ?   Over the last few weeks these cars have caused problems on an already narrow road. I noticed that a week or so ago the cars were paked all along the verge. They were subjected, quite rightly, to stickers from the local authority reminding them about restrictions about parking on the verge. Police have also been in attendance looking at the problem. Why are these vehicles there and surely there must be enough space to accomodate them within the grounds of the RVC without having to disturb the flow of traffic along the lane.   :icon_scratch:
Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: Mermaid on November 07, 2006, 01:20:35 pm

There may have been something about this in the WH Times recently. I didn't see the whole article but I think it was something to do with the RVC saying that the students couldn't park their cars in the RVC car park any more. This was the article which was accompanied by a picture of a student lying in the road surrounded by other students protesting.

I may be wrong of course.........
Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: Cassie on November 07, 2006, 01:55:22 pm

There may have been something about this in the WH Times recently. I didn't see the whole article but I think it was something to do with the RVC saying that the students couldn't park their cars in the RVC car park any more. This was the article which was accompanied by a picture of a student lying in the road surrounded by other students protesting.

I may be wrong of course.........

story here (http://www.whtimes.co.uk/search/story.aspx?brand=WHTOnline&category=News&itemid=WEED17%20Oct%202006%2015:02:04:837&tBrand=WHTOnline&tCategory=search)
Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: Abbot on November 07, 2006, 04:00:51 pm
Any idea when the footpath by the railway from Potters Bar station to Hawkshead road will reopen. The vegetation might have grown a bit??
Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: Peter Hastings on November 07, 2006, 08:18:29 pm
I think the problem with the RVC is they are trying to encourage green transport by making it hard to park cars on their property. The students have responded by parking on the verge. I can tell you the Parish Council has made enquiries of the RVC as to their plans and is awaiting a response.
Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: peppermint on November 07, 2006, 08:56:29 pm
I do feel for the students.   The college isn't exactly placed in a convenient location for walking, with no footpaths.   This makes it particularly hazardous in the morning when Hawkshead Road becomes a rat run and I certainly wouldn't be happy to know that my daughter might be walking from Potters Bar/Welham Green in the dark along an unlit road with no footpath.  I understand that there is a small minibus but this is hardly sufficient to ship all of the students who need to get to the college.   £2.00 per day to be brought to and from Potters Bar or Welham Green!   It seems like someone is making a tidy sum out of the students, particularly when there is no real alternative transport to get them safely to the college.   On the other hand, if the students are not being given the option of parking in the RVC carpark, where were they all parking in the past before the large car park was built?    If the only offence they are committing is parking on a grass verge then perhaps they could park on the road, after all, it was probably only their consideration of other drivers which has resulted in them parking on the verges in the first place.   This shouldn't bother the residents of Hawkshead Road as it would be impossible for them to park on the verges outside most of the houses due to the huge lumps of concrete many of they have already placed there to mark their boundaries.
Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: Bob Horrocks on November 08, 2006, 11:11:43 am
The students are now parking legally but they are creating a traffic hazard, particularly when a horse box or some other large vehicle is going along that stretch of road.  The lane is a well-used cut-through to get to and from the M25 at South Mimms junction and a survey by the RVC a few years ago showed that RVC-generated traffic was only a small proportion of the road users.

The bus service had been going to the RVC but I have not seen any bus recently on Hawkshead Lane.  Does anyone know if it still services the college?  I feel certain this diversion was subsidised by the RVC.

A year or two ago, the parish council did ask Herts Highways for a proper footpath beside the roadway between Boltons Farm on Hawkshead Road and the RVC but it seems to be still on the 'wish list' at Herts Highways.  On Hawkshead Road the crude footpath west of Boltons Farm was improved some years ago by someone (who?) putting down gravel.  However when Herts Highways were asked last year (I think) to put more gravel down, they claimed no knowledge of the path's existance.  They did cut back the vegitation but of course it grew again and that path is almost unusable.

The Friday Grove 'country house' proposals included a footpath alongside the road on the boundary of the 20-acre field site in order to get local support for the huge house on Green Belt land, but that is another story! 
Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: colinr on November 08, 2006, 05:26:46 pm
I travel past the RVC most days and the (legal) parking of vehicles has made the journey rather dangerous. The main problem is cars are parked opposite each other in several places so you the driver, and the approaching traffic have limited space to pull into to pass each other, and just to hinder the situation even more a white car has been parked for several weeks at another passing point near the bottom of Hawkshead on the bend. Once you negotiate that obstacle, you then have the area by the lorry park at South Mimms to contend with. Large articulated vehicles parked in the lay-bys (the lay-bys that have large yellow NO PARKING signs in them) as well as parking on the kerbs and jutting out into the road, sometimes it can take 10-15 mins to navigate this area to get onto the South Mimms roundabout. I did make this point to Grant Shapps a while ago, and although he found the same problem annoying he told me that that area is not covered by Welwyn and Hatfield but by the Met. Strange why the Police who regularly patrol this area (well get their coffee and burgers) by the services don’t have a blitz on these illegal lorry parkers! They could make nearly as much money as they do from safety cameras, but I guess that would involve getting out of their cars with a full stomach!
 :icon_jokercolor:
Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: PC Jo Wakelen on November 09, 2006, 01:51:01 am
Hi Folks,
Just thought I would give a quick update to the Hawkshead Lane traffic problems.

Recently the RVC banned some students from parking on site, this is due to them have building work done and neading the space.

The students have therefore been parking outside on Hawkshead Lane.  At first they parked on the verge and then Welwyn and Hatfield Council issued large posters on the cars asking for this to cease, which it has.

I myself have been involved in this situation alot over the past couple of weeks.  I sympathise with all parties involved and this is a far from ideal situation.

I have been issuing fines to cars which have mounted the footpath, parked causing an obstruction both to vision and physical obstruction.  This will also continue to be my line of action.  The RVC had asked for planning permission to make a temporary car park, but the application has been turned down.

The RVC also has been putting on buses to  transport students from campus to home.

I am currently liasing with all parties involved to gain an amicable solution to this situation.

Many thanks

Jo
Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: Bob Horrocks on November 09, 2006, 11:09:50 am
It was news to me that the RVC had been refused a temporary car park.  The Welwyn Hatfield council's planning database has no such application listed. 

As chairman of planning at the parish council I see every planning application in this parish,  The most recent relevant one, approved in March 2006, was to extend the hospital for small animals to form educational & clinical facilities, access, parking, landscaping, & re-site temporary building .  Perhaps that is the building works causing the problem.

Maybe Jo should ask the RVC for proof of the claimed refusal of permission.  It is very gratifying to see that she is acting on this situation before an accident happens, assuming none has happened of course.  Prevention is far better than cure.  But it may not show up on any target score, sadly.

One or two answers might be for Welwyn Hatfield Council to permit parking on the verge on a temporary basis, or the RVC to allow parking on the playing fields opposite the college.  It is not rocket science is it?
Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: moggins on November 09, 2006, 09:14:37 pm
Look with reference to the problems with the cars, I used to regularly walk in and around the area where the students are parking, if this has the effrect of slowing down the cars which regularly used to speed past with no thought or consideration for the walker on foot whether accompamied by a dog or not then is it really such a bad thing.
I might be just imagining this but is it not the job of the local constabulary to have a presence in order to deter those criminals seeking to cause mischief.
The gist of the notes written by the new :beat officer" seems to be to raise the awareness of how it is in our interest that fines are being levied left right and centre , I have a suggestion up the police patrols around the immediate area to deter criminals, open the police stations in the locale so people have got somewhere to go when they are victims of crime and stop picking on the old cash cow the law abiding motorist. we need more police doing police work than police daylighting as traffic wardens.
Read previous posts if you thimk I am making this up
Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: Mallow on November 10, 2006, 12:25:54 pm
and just to hinder the situation even more a white car has been parked for several weeks at another passing point near the bottom of Hawkshead on the bend.
 :icon_jokercolor:

Just for your information, this is a privately owned car parked on a privately owned peice of land.  In both cases the owner is the same person.  It is a bit like you parking your own car on your own drive ;D
Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: PC Jo Wakelen on November 10, 2006, 12:26:56 pm
Hi Folks,

I have taken note of people's comments. 

Please let me clarify, the tickets have been given for those who have caused a physical and visual obstructions only.  This is not a way for the constabulary making cash out of motorists.  It is there as a prevention of obstruction other road users, which potentially will prevent an accident happening.
 
A mention to opening the police stations in order for victims of crime to attend, both police stations in the area are open. 

Hatfield is open 24 hours a day and Potters Bar although has restricted hours, still has police officers working out of it most times of the day.  Should anyone need urgent police assistance then they can call 999 and officers will attend immediately.

As I am the Ward officer there is only so much I  can do to patrol this area in any one day, I also cover Newgate Street, Little Heath, Bell Bar and Brookmans Park and I have tried to make my prescence known as much as possible.

I am currently putting together a report about the area in order to put a stop to the parking by the students as I am very aware of the knock on effect this is having on residents lives.  I also am working on traffic controls in the area, regarding speeding etc as the lane is used as a "Rat Run" by people taking short cuts.

I will look into the issue that there has been no application by the RVC for setting up a field to be used as extra parking. 
The issue of detering criminals in the area, hopefully a visible prescence of myself and Steve Harvey should be a warning to criminals in the area.

All I can ask is that you please bear with PCSO Steve Harvey and myself  on this issue.

Many Thanks

Jo
Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: Cassie on November 10, 2006, 01:27:58 pm
and just to hinder the situation even more a white car has been parked for several weeks at another passing point near the bottom of Hawkshead on the bend.
 :icon_jokercolor:

Just for your information, this is a privately owned car parked on a privately owned peice of land.  In both cases the owner is the same person.  It is a bit like you parking your own car on your own drive ;D

Since when has 'a passing point' been privately owned?  Surely it is there for the use of all road users

Editor's Note: Edited only to separate two quotes.
Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: Mermaid on November 10, 2006, 02:38:05 pm

In reply to Moggins I would point out that the police are not 'picking on the old cash cow the law abiding motorist', far from it. Those that get 'picked on' ARE breaking the law!

If you are speeding in your car you are breaking the law, if you are using a mobile which is not 'hands-free whilst driving you are breaking the law, if you are not wearing a seat-belt, you are breaking the law, if children are not seated or belted securely you are breaking the law, if you are parked illegally you are breaking the law. All of these laws are there for a reason.

I am delighted that PC Wakelen is issuing tickets to motorists breaking the law. Maybe the offenders - many of whom have been breaking the law with impunity for so long that they think it's their entitlement to do so - will now pay a bit more attention to careful and considerate driving.
Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: Mallow on November 10, 2006, 04:07:05 pm
Since when has 'a passing point' been privately owned?  Surely it is there for the use of all road users

That is the point I am trying to make, it is not a passing place it is a piece of land owned by one of the properties in Hawkshead Lane and it used to have their garage on it.  That would make it their driveway to their garage, however the garage is no longer there.  I think that entitles them to park their car there.
 ???

Editor's note: Edited only to correct a link in the quote.
Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: rhian Gabriel on November 13, 2006, 12:05:28 pm
I would like to add some comments as a third year student at the RVC. At the start of term all third years were told that they were banned from driving on site as they are building on the small animal hospital car park, so patients will need to use our car park. Obviously, with the campus being in the middle of nowhere most of us found this outrageous.

They provided one bus in the morning and bus in the evening at £1 per journey, which most of us were unwillling to pay, especially picking up from Bolton Park Farm, so we had no choice but to park on the verges. The reason we parked there was because we did not want to block the roads by parking as we are now, it was not because we wanted to break the law. They now provide an extra bus at lunchtime, but for most of the students this is not flexible enough by any means. As a graduate from another University i find this whole situation totally unacceptable as the site is there primarily to teach students.

When we all got stickers on our cars for parking on the verges, which i still can't get off my window, we were told to park on the road by the council as we are not breaking any laws by doing so.

My big concern, that has been previously raised, is that the college have not made any effort to provide a car park. They told us they applied for permission on the fields opposite and tried every way to get planning permission. It would be very helpful if this could be investigated to see if college did infact get a refusal of planning for parking.

Unfortunately college have tried to pass this problem off as a "Green Issue" to get on the publc's side which is not the case at all, as everyone car shares and the coaches they are using emit far more pollution than our few cars.

I hope that this illustrates what we have had to deal with on top of all our work and that we can have some local support for doing what we are doing...we have no other choice i am afraid.

All the best, Rhian
Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: peppermint on November 13, 2006, 04:08:51 pm
I totally agree with you.
Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: John_fraser on November 13, 2006, 04:21:40 pm
minor aside
Quote
When we all got stickers on our cars for parking on the verges, which i still can't get off my window, we were told to park on the road by the council as we are not breaking any laws by doing so.

Good!
Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: peppermint on November 13, 2006, 05:55:40 pm
What I can't understand is why the student parking has become such issue.   They have been asked to park on the road due to work being carried out at the College - end of story.   I am sure this would not have been a problem if they had just been allowed to get on with it, but for some reason both the Council and the police were alerted to the verge parking.   

Why is this a problem, it is not as if they are blocking pavements. 

I drive past the College in the mornings and whilst I may occasionally have to wait for oncoming traffic to pass, don't most of us have to do just that many times a day driving around the area.

What I would like to know is who took it upon themselves to bring it to the attention of the authorities.

I would take a guess that it is probably the local residents.   Yet again we have a case of residents complaining about motorists.   Did they not know the college was there when they bought their houses?

Perhaps it should also be an offence  for homeowners to place large lumps of unsightly concrete along the grass verges as an alternative to building a proper boundary wall.    They certainly are more of a driving hazard than the students cars.

At least if they were painted white and the grass was cut around them so that they could be seen they would not be clipped by motorists passing them.   This is something I have seen happen on three occasions.
Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: rhian Gabriel on November 13, 2006, 06:45:30 pm
At the moment i think the situation is fine with the number of cars parked on the road. However, as of next year none of the students are allowed to park on site, so this will inflict more cars on the roadside, which i highly doubt the locals will be impressed with!
Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: Nonloso on November 13, 2006, 07:43:34 pm
I'm glad to see that the police are taking action to stop parking on the verges ih Hawkshead Lane. However, they never take action to stop parking on the verges and pavements in the village so there is a case of double standards here. I can't see why they clamp down on the students but not the residents. Many of the verges in Bluebridge Road have been completely destroyed by the residents and cars are parked on the pavements everywhere in the village.
Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: Mallow on November 14, 2006, 01:48:34 pm
Perhaps it should also be an offence  for homeowners to place large lumps of unsightly concrete along the grass verges as an alternative to building a proper boundary wall.    

The probable reason for them not building a boundary wall is because in most cases the last three or four foot of verge is owned by the council so it is not their land to build on.  However, the council will not maintain these verges so the residents try to preserve them from being trashed by large vehicles which ingore the 3 ton weight limit on the bridge - most of which are visiting the RVC.   In some cases residents have requested the council to install raised kerbs and the council have obliged.
Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: colinr on November 14, 2006, 07:59:28 pm
Since when has 'a passing point' been privately owned?  Surely it is there for the use of all road users

That is the point I am trying to make, it is not a passing place it is a piece of land owned by one of the properties in Hawkshead Lane and it used to have their garage on it.  That would make it their driveway to their garage, however the garage is no longer there.  I think that entitles them to park their car there.
 ???

My dear Mallow I do agree with you that the white car is not parked illegally it is parked on “private land” (I have however lived in BP For 25 years and can’t recall a garage being there but maybe I am wrong you obviously know your own property) The point is that the car restricts you “hugging the curb” as you round the bend, so you automatically give it a wider berth. If it wasn’t there you would drive closer to the curb.
Only tonight an AA pickup was coming down the road and myself and a line of cars were coming up Hawkshead, we all had to manoeuvre into the drive of the house opposite the white car. I am only making an observation if it was my car I would be concerned about leaving it in a vulnerable place.
Its rather like the Volvo people have complained about at the junction of Bluebridge and The Gardens, nothing wrong in the eyes of the law but common sense suggests if I move it back or forwards or in my drive I am not a hazard and it will not get bumped by a horse box or a large vehicle .
But Mallow life’s too short to worry about all this, so take my comments with a pinch of salt, and a Merry Festive Season to you.  :icon_jokercolor:
PS I hope Santa (Rotary Club) don’t try to bring their sleight down Hawksheds they won’t get through!!
 ;D


Editor's note: Edited only to correct a link in the quote.
Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: Mallow on November 15, 2006, 01:08:53 pm
Completely agree with you Colin.  Not my car or land by the way.  Just wanted to make the point that there are not really any passing places in Hawkshead lane there are just driveways, and slightly wider bits of road which is why the RVC parking is presenting a problem just now.

 :icon_jokercolor:

PS Where can I go to see Santa on his Sleigh?
Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: Bob Horrocks on November 15, 2006, 04:39:34 pm
Last year Santo and his sleigh came to the Bradmore Green Christmas lights switching on ceremony.  This year it is advertised as being at 6.30pm on Tuesday 28 November.  I do not know if he can make it again this year, but you never know.
Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: Mermaid on November 15, 2006, 04:49:03 pm

It depends if you've all been good enough - well, have you ....? ;D
Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: peppermint on November 15, 2006, 05:19:44 pm
I think it  says on the leaflet in the noticeboard on the green that Santa and his sleigh will be there for the turning on of the Christmas tree lights. :icon_jokercolor:
Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: Peter Hastings on November 16, 2006, 06:58:16 pm
Back to the RVC parking issue....I would be interested to hear from Rhian or anyone else whether there was any consultation before the new "green" transport policy was brought in. Also are the students represented in any way- did they discuss the £1 cost per journey which is relatively low and the benefit of coach travel-no car maintenance, tyre wear and petrol as opposed to the cost? Is there any evidence as to where the balance lies on the cost question?

Is there any on-going communication between the students and the college?

Not taking sides here just trying to get information out in public if there is any available.
Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: rhian Gabriel on November 16, 2006, 07:50:12 pm
We have three year reps, who have done a brillaint job and managed to get another bus at lunch and 50p per journey, which is a more sensible price for us poor students. We all now appreciate that college have done their best, however, the cost is not the issue for most people still parking on the road, it is the flexibility. We are university students and not school children so are not expected to be on site from 9 till 5. Having a car means that we can come and go, which i personally have to do to walk my dogs.

As of next week we will be parking on the opposite side of the road as cars coming off site are finding it difficult to pull out on to the road. If anyone driving down this road finds this a problem let me know so i can relay it back to college.

I am still interested if anyone has any info on whether planning for an extra car park was actually submitted.
Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: peppermint on November 16, 2006, 07:57:48 pm
I dont have a problem with cars being parked on the road outside the college.   I think that it only causes a back up of traffic when cars are parked intermittently on both sides of the road causing cars to have to slalom between them.

The real problem is Osborne Road in Little Heath which is bad in the morning at the best of times but is particularly bad at the moment with the roadworks  in Quakers Lane.   
Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: Peter Hastings on November 17, 2006, 05:43:40 am
Very interesting and thanks Rhian. good to hear compromises still being made. I think parking on one side only may well help a lot. Still concerned about the comment made below that next year no students will be allowed to park at the college.
Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: Blow on November 17, 2006, 04:53:55 pm
I can understand the frustration trying to get past them.  But what about the residents of Brookmans Park who have drives but stil park on the verge/pavement.  Worst offenders in Bluebridge Road, blue saab, porsche boxster and other cars parked on the verge facing the wrong way!!!!!!
Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: Mermaid on November 17, 2006, 05:28:13 pm

Well, clearly a handful of residents in BB Road are parking their vehicles on the verges so as to allow the speeding traffic to continue unhindered! Heaven forbid that any cars should be held up!

I wish that they would park their vehicles on the road, thus making the road less of a racetrack

Let's hope the next Police Patrol have a quiet word with the offenders.
Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: Peter Hastings on November 18, 2006, 06:04:40 pm
Yes on Thursday someone had parked on the vege on the bend at the top of the hill, facing the wrong way!!!ahhhh!
Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: GGDT on December 04, 2006, 07:13:28 pm
As someone who drives down Hawkshead Lane every morning on the way to work the biggest problem as I see it is the fact that the entrance to the road from Hawkshead Road is often flooded and impassable for days at a time.

This means anyone coming from the direction of Little Heath has to slow to almost a stop and make a very sharp left turn on a blind bend just to get onto Hawkshead Lane.

A lot of money has obviously been spent at the Swanland Road end of Hawkshead Lane sorting out the drainage but the other end of the road seems to have been completely ignored.

Is there any chance that Herts Highways could have a look at this problem before the inevitable accident occurrs?
Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: Bob Horrocks on December 05, 2006, 10:43:02 am
It took many years for Herts Highways to finally agree to hopefully cure the flooding under the railway briodge at Darkes Lane. 

You can drive slowly through the Hawkshead Lane water but there will always be someone in a hurry who goes too fast and flods the engine.

I will raise this at the next Parish Council meeting so that a letter can go to Herts Highways.
Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: GGDT on December 05, 2006, 01:34:17 pm
It took many years for Herts Highways to finally agree to hopefully cure the flooding under the railway briodge at Darkes Lane. 

You can drive slowly through the Hawkshead Lane water but there will always be someone in a hurry who goes too fast and flods the engine.

I will raise this at the next Parish Council meeting so that a letter can go to Herts Highways.

Recent weeks would suggest that they still havent cured the problem under the railway bridge in Potters Bar Bob. That part of Darkes Lane has been closed at least three times in the last fortnight due to flooding ::)

As for the Hawkshead Road water it still reaches above the door sills on my car (which isnt particularly low to the ground) so driving through it, however slowly, is not an option for me.

I do appreciate you bringing this to the attention of Herts Highways though, hopefully they will act on it.
Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: John_fraser on December 05, 2006, 01:38:08 pm
A new pump is supposed to be being placed under the bridge.

Hopes of end to bridge flooding ‘paralysis’ (http://www.whtimes.co.uk/content/whtimes/news/story.aspx?brand=WHTOnline&category=newspottersbar&tBrand=herts24&tCategory=newswhtnew&itemid=WEED28%20Nov%202006%2015%3A47%3A25%3A550)
Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: Bob Horrocks on December 06, 2006, 11:38:50 am
John is correct - the newspaper item said the pump is to be installed to deal with flooding under the Darkes Lane bridge.

A tip is to drive in the middle of the road when it is flooded.  The camber of the road surface means it is higher there than at the side of the road. 

But if in doubt, don't risk it.  I know of a car being written off when someone (who obviously shall remain nameless) drove too fast into a flood on Hawkshead Lane at the humpback bridge and flooded the engine.  Admittedly it was dark and early one winter morning, but........  The recently installed drainage system at that point seems to have stopped the flooding as far as I can tell.  Anyone been down there when it has been raining heavily and is able to report on it?
Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: GGDT on December 06, 2006, 01:26:33 pm
The recently installed drainage system at that point seems to have stopped the flooding as far as I can tell.  Anyone been down there when it has been raining heavily and is able to report on it?

The flooding problem at the humpback bridge end of Hawkshead Lane is certainally much better now, I drove through there during what could only be described as a 'monsoon' a couple of weeks ago with no probelms ;D

As I've said the main problem now is at the other end of the road, although avoiding the fallen tree in Bradmore Lane on Monday morning was interesting as well.........

Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: Bob Horrocks on December 15, 2006, 05:55:50 pm
Further to my above posting, Herts Highways say that by February 2007, the gullies at the junction of Hawkshead Lane and Bluebridge Road will be cleansed and the outfall pipes jetted through.    Further drainange work in Hawkshead Lane may be carried out in 2008/9. depending upon availability of funds for tghis work.
Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: Bob Horrocks on February 25, 2008, 05:03:43 pm
Further to the Neighbourhood Watch newsletter that has just been posted on this website, I drove twice along Hawkshead Lane this afternoon and there were very few cars parked on the road and none on the verge.

Good news ;D

Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: Carrie on February 26, 2008, 02:03:50 pm
This must be a one off incident Bob.  My partner drives to RVC every day, 3x a day (in the shuttle coach, run by South Mimms Travel) and it is becoming increasingly difficult for 2 cars (let along one coach and car, or even an ambulance etc) to pass each other.  Last week there were cars everywhere. 
Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: peppermint on February 27, 2008, 10:01:20 am
I have noticed that Hawkshead Lane has been virtually  clear of traffic this week.   What a relief.

Bob, where can I find the Neighbourhood Watch newsletter you referred to in your post.
Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: Editor on February 27, 2008, 10:50:00 am

Bob, where can I find the Neighbourhood Watch newsletter you referred to in your post.


Hi Peppermint,

They are archived in the Neighbourhood Watch section of the site, accessible from the link in the top navigation on the front page, or from the side navigation link on any other page.

Click here (http://www.brookmans.com/neighbourhood/crime108.shtml) for the latest edition.

David
Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: Custard on February 27, 2008, 11:25:49 am
With the application for parking opposite the college is this the start of a bigger project to link Swanland Rd to the Hawkshead Lane to solve the traffic issues?
Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: Bob Horrocks on February 27, 2008, 02:46:36 pm
Planning application 2008/0317 was made on 18th Feb 2008 by the RVC for

'MODIFICATION TO THE MAIN ENTRANCE CAR PARK AND NEW PARKING TO ADJACENT AREA,
FORMATION OF CAR PARK BETWEEN ODIHAM HALL AND NORTHUMBERLAND HALL,
FORMATION OF CAR PARK TO THE EXISTING SPORTS FIELD AND
FORMATION OF CAR PARK TO GRASSED AREA'

The plans are not yet on the www.welhat.gov.uk website but should be in the next few days.

Not having seen any plans or supporting documents yet, it is too early to make any comment on Custard's query.  Addition car parking off the road is obviously desirable given the on-road parking problems of late.  Since it is Green Belt land, the RVC will have had to show very special circumstances to justify this change of use of the land.
Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: peppermint on February 28, 2008, 03:28:07 pm
Does anyone know where all the usual traffic from the RVC has parked this week.
Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: Bob Horrocks on April 09, 2008, 02:35:15 pm
The RVC have now deleted the proposed car park on the south side of Hawkshead Lane (on the sports field) from their latest planning application for more car parks.

The NM Green Belt Soc objected to that car park, and suggested extending the car park in front of the Queen Mother Hospital into the field between that building and the railway line.
Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: mickeyl on April 30, 2008, 07:08:18 am
BP Forum members may be interested in a similar thread on the Welwyn Hatfield Forum web-site

http://www.shapps.com/forum/index.php?topic=2802.msg27255#msg27255
Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: Bob Horrocks on April 30, 2008, 10:51:20 am
Last week I met Richard Turner who is the newly appointed environmental manager at the RVC.  We had a good discussion and walked the area to see the problems and possibilities relating to parking and student travel.

I am told that Welwyn Hatfield Council would not consider a car park alongside Hawkshead Lane in the field between the Queen Mother Hospital and the railway line.  As a local resident, it seems sensible to extend the new car park in front of the QM Hospital into that field.  Why were WH Council unhappy? Because it is outside the boundary of this Major Developed Site (MDS) in the Green Belt.  However the planning officers seemed happy to consider a car park on the side of the sports field on the south side of Hawkshead lane.  What is curious is that location is also outside the boundary of the MDS. 

I represent North Mymms Parish Council on a local environmental action group.  This group is in the early stages of seeing if a footpath and cycle path can be created to run alongside the road between the main RVC campus on Hawkshead Lane and their other buildings at Bolton's Farm on Hawkshead Road.  It would be on Highways land and RVC land.   It would not be cheap but the initial response from the RVC is encouraging.  This action group is investigating various sources of funds.  I repeat that it is early days so don't expect to hear anything more for the time being
Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: Jane B on February 20, 2009, 02:00:27 pm
I may have missed this in previous posts & apologies if I have but.......I don't suppose anyone knows when the grass verges are going to be sorted out in Hawkshead Lane outside the RVC? Sorry if this is a stupid question but when we first moved here it used to be a really picturesque area - now it looks like a war zone!  :(
Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: Bob Horrocks on February 20, 2009, 04:38:58 pm
Jane B's new 'Hawklshead Lane' topic has been merged with this existing one of parking on Hawkshead Lane since they are very closely related.

She is quite right about the appearance of the verge but there is not much point in sorting this out until the parking problem is resolved.  I believe the RVC is to meet Welwyn Hatfield Council soon about various matters including this one.  Until there is more off-street parking at the RVC then the verge will continue to be used for parking.  The police say they keep an eye on the problem but it appears to be low priority.

Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: Mr Green on February 20, 2009, 06:12:58 pm
The police say they keep an eye on the problem ...
You can’t miss it, we are all keeping an eye on it every time we run the gauntlet of driving down the Hawkshead chicane.

... but it appears to be low priority.
Prefixing priority by the word low is a contradiction of terms.

When will Herts police tell us, specifically, what they're doing about it.
Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: Bob Horrocks on February 20, 2009, 06:31:03 pm
 Prefixing priority by the word low is a contradiction of terms.   [/quote]

It might sound like an oxymoron, however things can be ranked in priority ranging from high to low.
Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: Mermaid on February 20, 2009, 07:37:54 pm
  The police say they keep an eye on the problem but it appears to be low priority.

In what way do they 'keep an eye' exactly? I have had some truly hairy moments down that road recently due to the appalling parking -  cars parked on BOTH SIDES of the road in places. I have never seen the police down there, or any evidence that they've been.

Also, is there no weight limit on the bridge any more? I was in a line of cars today (down near Catalina Field) which had to drive up onto people's driveways, because the oncoming lorry was so large, it took up all the road!    >:(
Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: peppermint on February 21, 2009, 09:53:10 pm
The driver was probably sent that way by his sat nav.

Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: Bob Horrocks on February 23, 2009, 10:34:47 am
Also, is there no weight limit on the bridge any more?

The road has a weight limit presumably because of the bridge but I recall being told some time ago that there is a huge margin built into the limit.  Peppermint will be correct about it being a satnav devotee who believes everything a computer says, and not use the brains he/she was born with.  A problem is that drivers of huge vehicles know you will give way to them.
Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: rees on February 23, 2009, 11:41:29 am
The parking of RVC student's cars in Hawkshead Lane is truly dreadful! It ruins the grass verges, endangers pedestrians, creates hazards for oyther divers and must be having an enormous impact on the value of properties in the area. How is it possible that the RVC obtained planning permission for their expansion without providing an "on site" solution for parking? Additionally am I not right in recalling that the council has in the past prosecuted drivers for parking on and damaging grass verges ? If so why is no action being taken? Together with the parking problems in Brookmans Park Village it would seem to me that the "planners" have alot to answer for!
Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: Ferdie on February 23, 2009, 02:17:58 pm
Ironically local councils are restricted by how much parking that can be allowed on new builds. The Government wants to encourage a more sustainable transport arrangment by encouraging car sharing, public transport and alternatives like walking or cycling. Companies and organisations cannot just install further parking. They would be fined if they did so and forced to remove additional parking over and above that allowed. There is an ongoing issue on the former Aerospace site in Hatfield.

 http://www.whtimes.co.uk/content/whtimes/news/story.aspx?brand=WHTOnline&category=News&tBrand=HertsCambsOnline&tCategory=newslatestWHT&itemid=WEED06%20Feb%202009%2018%3A12%3A16%3A450 (http://www.whtimes.co.uk/content/whtimes/news/story.aspx?brand=WHTOnline&category=News&tBrand=HertsCambsOnline&tCategory=newslatestWHT&itemid=WEED06%20Feb%202009%2018%3A12%3A16%3A450)

The same issues will apply to the RVC. Quite what people are expected to do where there is no public transport, they work shifts and can't share and walking or cycling is not possible I don't know.
Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: Bob Horrocks on March 02, 2009, 10:16:45 am
PCSO Luxford has posted this on the 'policing' topic, so I thought it be better to leave it there and copy the text here.

Nightlondon

I have read your comment about HAWKSHEAD LANE and the fact "it is an on-going issue" is wearing thin.  I believe a plan to create a car park for the Vet College was declined by local residents as it would have taken up some of the park area.  There were advantages and dis-advantages to be taken into account and I am sure these were discussed at the time.
From a police veiwpoint, we can issue tickets for obstruction if the vehicles do not allow enough room for a pram/pushchair or wheelchair to pass or if the vehicle is parked too close to a junction.  Tickets have been issued to the students for these very reasons.
The Highways Agency are aware of this problem and my understanding is theywill not paint lines in the road.  As there are no parking restriction signs errected along the lane either, then there is little we can do. I sympathise with your viewpoint and wish an agreeable solution could be reached and soon!


Note: edited only to add quote with link back to original thread. David
Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: Grant Shapps MP on March 09, 2009, 01:20:05 pm
At last, some progress to report on this very long running issue.  See here:
http://www.shapps.com/forum/index.php/topic,2565.msg39564.html#msg39564

All best wishes,
Grant Shapps MP

Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: Bob Horrocks on March 09, 2009, 02:56:12 pm
At last the bullet has been bitten and the rigt people have sat round the table to try and produce a solution to this thorny problem.

It will take a while for ideas to turn into reality but at least a major step has been taken.
Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: Ferdie on March 09, 2009, 06:53:25 pm
Very encouraging to see what appears to be a constructive meeting with contribution from what appears to have been all the right players. If it works then it indicates what can be achieved when there is a desire by all to find a solution.
Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: Custard on March 10, 2009, 08:45:27 am
This is very good news.

However from the minutes it is quite clear to see that the RVC is expanding. Surely there is a process that needs to be followed originally when you decide to expand and to make sure that the infrastructure can support it. It seems quite ludicrous that permission is now being sought.

Couldn’t the parking and the walkway to the station be rolled into one project to save money?
Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: Nobby on March 10, 2009, 06:55:54 pm
If they painted double yellow lines, the students would have to use alternative forms of transport. Needless to say, the proposed solution is to tarmac over more Green Belt and continue to encourage carbon emissions by making it easier to use a car.
Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: Bob Horrocks on March 11, 2009, 12:03:37 pm
I can symathise with Nobby's comments.  However  the car park surfacing will not be tarmac.  If he checks out the surfacing of the existing RBVC car parks he will find they have a porous surface which allows rain and snow to soak through into the sub-soil.

Car parking is a huge problem, as witnessed by the change caused by charging to park at Brookmans Park railway station, and the parking on Holloways Lane at Welham Green.  RVC students come and go at various times and the camppus is some distance from housing apart from the on-site housing.  Whether we like it or not, students will use cars, as seen in Hatfield.  The answer has to be more car parking off the road at the RVC, even at the expense of some Green Belt land.  It has to be worth it to resolve the current horrors of Hwkshead Lane parking.  Incidentally, where have all the cars gone recently? There have been far fewer parked on the road in the last two or so weeks.

'Custard' noted the planned growth of the RVC.  The Green Belt Soc has told Welwyn Hatfield Council that it will object to any future planning applications for the RVC if it does not take parking requirements into account.
Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: Carrie on March 11, 2009, 12:31:48 pm
What annoys me is the huge cost for transport to be provided to the students - only to find a maximum of 10 use this service.   Ok, the transport can only be provided mornings, lunchtime and afternoons, but who is paying the £90,000?
Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: southbury on March 11, 2009, 12:41:03 pm
I am sure like many others when I was at College we walked , cycled or used buses. Students did not have cars . Period.

I walked daily 3 miles each way to college through the most deprived parts of Leeds . Even at the time we thought of it as a ghetto.

I accept walking to the RVC is difficult at present . We all now that the paths are unlit and uneven at best. Could we not provide a well lit cycle/walkway from the Station along the route of the current footpath . Is that really too difficult for today's students to use ?

I also accept that the curent bus facilities do not work . Would it not be more cost effective and ecologically viable to run a mini bus shuttle service to PB station . Not only would this connect with the trains but also numerous bus routes to and from numerous destinations.

Put in the double yellows , don't build a car park but make the access better and safer . The students will still make it in safely .. but maybe not quite as comfertably if we pander again to the needs of the car .
Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: Buster on March 11, 2009, 01:48:36 pm
The RVC should join forces with the university bus - increase the service with some shuttle services to Potters Bar & Hatfield.
Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: Big Red Daddy on March 11, 2009, 04:38:14 pm
Providing an acceptable foot/ cycle path to Brookmans Park is going to help, but the majority of the students come from the Potters Bar/Little Heath area, where there is NOT ANY foot/ cycle path and can be very dangerous, especially in the winter. Can the pavement be extended all the way to Hawkshead Lane from Hawkshead Road(it currently ends near Boltons Farm).
I have first hand experience as I have ridden a bicycle and walked from Little Heath to Brookmans Park along that stretch of road, and have also had near misses with pedestrians/cycles when driving along the same stretch of road.
Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: chicken legs on March 11, 2009, 04:47:42 pm
I can symathise with Nobby's comments.  However  the car park surfacing will not be tarmac.  If he checks out the surfacing of the existing RBVC car parks he will find they have a porous surface which allows rain and snow to soak through into the sub-soil.

The porous surface solves the problem of rain and snow but doesn't solve the problems of birds which need to forage for food  :(
Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: NMLHS on March 19, 2009, 11:26:16 pm
The RVC, being animal orientated, is surrounded by farm fields and there is woodland within half a mile (it's called he green belt).  Plenty of forage for birds. ::)
Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: GGDT on March 24, 2009, 07:11:22 pm
Providing an acceptable foot/ cycle path to Brookmans Park is going to help, but the majority of the students come from the Potters Bar/Little Heath area, where there is NOT ANY foot/ cycle path and can be very dangerous, especially in the winter. Can the pavement be extended all the way to Hawkshead Lane from Hawkshead Road(it currently ends near Boltons Farm).
I have first hand experience as I have ridden a bicycle and walked from Little Heath to Brookmans Park along that stretch of road, and have also had near misses with pedestrians/cycles when driving along the same stretch of road.

Correct me if I'm wrong but don't the RVC own all the land between Hawkshead Lane and Little Heath anyway?

There is already a footpath alongside Hawkshead Lane which goes from the RVC to the railway bridge so surely they could put some sort of foot / cycle path in across those fields from the railway bridge to Little Heath?

If this was done (and properly lit) then their students would be able to get from the campus to Little Heath, and then on to Potters Bar, in safety without the need to spend public money sticking in a footpath along Hawkshead Road.

Earlier on this thread the cost of £90,000 for the bus service is mentioned, use that money to stick a path across their own land and problem solved.
Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: chicken legs on March 24, 2009, 11:05:30 pm
The RVC, being animal orientated, is surrounded by farm fields and there is woodland within half a mile (it's called he green belt).  Plenty of forage for birds. ::)

But every square kilometre, even every square yard, which is paved, concreted, etc, leads to a reduction in our bird population.
Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: Bob Horrocks on March 25, 2009, 12:45:20 pm
Providing an acceptable foot/ cycle path to Brookmans Park is going to help, but the majority of the students come from the Potters Bar/Little Heath area, where there is NOT ANY foot/ cycle path and can be very dangerous, especially in the winter. Can the pavement be extended all the way to Hawkshead Lane from Hawkshead Road(it currently ends near Boltons Farm).
I have first hand experience as I have ridden a bicycle and walked from Little Heath to Brookmans Park along that stretch of road, and have also had near misses with pedestrians/cycles when driving along the same stretch of road.

The North Mymms Parish Environmental Action Plan Steering Group (linked to the parish council) has already set the ball rolling on what may become a bridle way (which qualifies for some funds) between Bolton's Farm and the main RVC Hawkshead Campus.  The RVC is very interested in the idea but it would have to be part of the over-reaching update of the RVC Master Plan which will form part of the updated Welwyn Hatfield District Plan. 

I have walked the route with my contact at the RVC, and a footpath alongside the roadway would not be possible in parts due to the width between the hedge and kerb.    It will not happen overnight but a start has been made.
Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: Custard on August 19, 2009, 10:05:48 am
Has anyone seen (or know how we can view) the RVC's Travel Plan that has been sent to Herts County Council for consideration?
Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: Editor on October 11, 2009, 02:12:48 pm
The latest neighbourhood watch newsletter (October 2009) says that the RVC has applied to create a car park for 126 vehicles to solve the parking problem.
Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: Custard on November 18, 2009, 12:57:09 pm
The latest planning application seems to have disappeared from the council's site. Does anyone know if the RVC has pulled the application? :icon_scratch:
Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: Mermaid on November 18, 2009, 01:37:38 pm
I don't know but the parking up there at the moment is the worst I've ever known it   :(
Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: Bob Horrocks on November 18, 2009, 02:24:09 pm
The application was not pulled - it has not yet been made but is thought to be imminent. 
Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: Custard on November 18, 2009, 02:46:11 pm
Sorry Bob there was an application to expand the facilities not the car parking. I can't see the expansion application anymore.
Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: Bob Horrocks on November 18, 2009, 05:52:48 pm
The application for a new Teaching and Research Centre ref 2009/1890 has been approved subject to approval by the Secretary of State since it is in the Green Belt and is a departure from the District Plan.  You can check for this application on www.welhat.gov.uk in the Planning section and click on 'view progress' it will appear, and then click on the decision button at the bottom of the page.

An application for a chicken house ref 2009/1651 has been withdrawn.
Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: southbury on November 19, 2009, 07:12:36 am
Bob,

What are the feelings / views of the NMGBS on this ?

rgds
Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: Custard on November 19, 2009, 09:17:09 am
Thanks Bob - A little surprised that they didn't need to do something about the parking first!
Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: Albert Ross on November 20, 2009, 01:58:50 pm
I am surprised that the college do not consider more seriously the damage they are allowing to be caused to the local flora & fauna by not restricting parking on the grass verges. Surely the point of the college is to teach people to look after nature, not destroy it! I also find it an unacceptable hazard, especially at night, when trying to navigate this difficult stretch of road, surely the highways department should impose restrictions. I see the college has restricted parking around its own entrance pushing the problem further up the road (I’m alright Jack). I used to see a variety of wildlife along that stretch of road but now I hardly see a thing except squashed rabbits in the early part of the year probably caused by them seeking food on the other side of the road because most of it is just mud. This is a serious problem which nobody seems to be taking seriously, least of all the RVC.
Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: Custard on November 20, 2009, 02:30:04 pm
What I find hard to understand is that the RVC is also a business. Their clients will arrive in large vehicles which may not even be able to make it to their destination in time because the lane is full of cars.  I’m sure that I have seen that the RVC is worried about competition – obviously this isn’t that far up the agenda!

Advising clients to use one route over another would not solve the problem whatever way you went up or down the lane either!

I feel sorry for the students having to park their cars on the lane each day. The amount of money they must spend on replacing their wing mirrors and getting bumps out of their car is criminal!
Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: epiphany on April 14, 2010, 10:30:10 pm
The RVC currently have a planning application for an extension to the car park for 121 spaces.
Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: Jane B on April 15, 2010, 09:18:10 am
Theres alot of work going on in the top field where the local footpath is (near the Warrengate waterboard). The car park's not extending into that is it?  :(
Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: Bob Horrocks on April 15, 2010, 11:44:57 am
The RVC has made a planning application for 124 car spaces.  It will be an extension of the existing car park between Hawkshead Lane and the Queen Mother Hospital building. 

In 2008 the RVC applied for extra car parking including a new car park on the sports field.  It was deleted after objections were made.  At that time both the NM Green Belt Society and NM Parish Council said that the extra parking should be on the field between the Queen Mother Hospital and the railway line, even though it would be on Green Belt land.  It was the only way that both could see an answer to the parking problem.

This new application takes into account the daily logs kept by residents of the number of cars parked on the lane.  It is simply an extension of a car park and drivers will have to use the existing entrance and exits.  A small earth banking and landscaping will shield the sight of the cars from the road.  Low level lighting bollards will be used, as existing.

The aim is to remove the congestion caused by all the cars parked on the road and verges.  There will also be a footpath inside the car park for students and staff so that they do not have to use the pavement.  You may have noticed that the RVC has built a footpath on its fields going almost all the way between the main Hawkhshead Campus and Bolton's Farm.  It is for staff and students use.

I am writing this in a personal capacity, and strongly recommend that everyone gives support to this application.  You can see the details and make comments on  https://fastweb.welhat.gov.uk/detail.asp?AltRef=S6/2010/0559/FP&ApplicationNumber=2010%2F0559&AddressPrefix=&submit1=Go.  The links are at the bottom of the page.  Many people have complained, and a petition signed, so this is your opportunity to support the RVC in resolving this problem.

The documents are lengthy but the 'lighting' document gives the layout.  The car park will occupy about 2/3rds of the frontage of the field, and the new footpath will use the existing gate.   Beware - the transport document is over 100 pages long and over 6Mb.
Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: southbury on April 15, 2010, 12:25:56 pm
many thanks Bob. Very informative and useful .

rgds
Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: Bob Horrocks on September 13, 2010, 06:19:30 pm
Work on the RVC car park extension started today   ;D
Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: colinr on September 13, 2010, 06:48:48 pm
Work on the RVC car park extension started today   ;D


Bob, on a slightly different subject.

Do you know why every “new building” that has been erected on the vet collage site over the last 10 years, is completely different to the others, a bit of a miss match I think.

I’m not saying I don't like them but it look odd to me, and how could the planing permission have been given?

If I wanted to build three houses next to each other all very different, I would have thought WHC would reject the plans .

any idea why?
Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: Bob Horrocks on September 16, 2010, 05:13:04 pm
Possibly the different uses of the buildings dictates the overall shape.  One building has a curved roof because of the 'green' natural ventilation system employed.  Another building with few windows has a large lecture room with tiered seating overlooking, but separated by a glass wall for hygiene reasons, a dissecting room.  The library needs lots of windows to let in the natural light but it has horizontal slats to reflect the sun when it is low in the afternoon sky.  I think the differing designs makes it interesting.

Opinions can differ as to whether or not there should be uniformity of general style or a variety. A large housing estate by the same developer can be a nightmare to find your way around and, even more importantly, find your way out of it!

Very few houses on Brookmans Avenue, Kentish Lane, etc had the same architect.  I prefer these individual houses instead of a street of clones.  But even a street of mainly the same style, as on Swanley Bar Lane, can alter over the years due to different extensions, gardens etc which have created individual houses.

The council does usually refuse designs, both for houses and front boundaries, that are out of character with the street scene although there are a few notable exceptions.  Don't ask me to name them - use your own eyes.

A house on Mymms Drive has just lost an appeal because the proposed front boundary wall, railings and gates would be out of keeping with the open and spacious character of that road.  I hate the 'Fort Knox' attitude that is creeping in, with massive front walls, metal fencing and metal gates operated by remote controls.  This is a city mentality that has no place in a village.  Many of those on a certain street were built without planning permission and the time limit has passed for the council to take action.

Whew, I feel better for that rant.     :mblah05: :mblah05: :mblah05:
Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: chicken legs on September 17, 2010, 11:48:58 am
 I hate the 'Fort Knox' attitude that is creeping in, with massive front walls, metal fencing and metal gates operated by remote controls.  This is a city mentality that has no place in a village.

I agree with you, Bob. The gates simply demonstrate too much money and not enough taste.
Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: Editor on July 31, 2011, 09:21:48 am
Someone told me this is so that the curbs and verges damaged by cars parking on them can be repaired. Is anyone able to confirm?

(http://www.brookmans.com/news/july11/roadclosed.jpg)

(http://www.brookmans.com/news/july11/roadclosed2.jpg)
Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: GGDT on July 31, 2011, 08:11:13 pm
Anyone know what time it's closing tomorrow morning?

I drive down there every morning on the way to work.
Title: Re: RVC parking in Hawkshead Lane
Post by: Roger1000 on March 12, 2017, 08:05:08 pm
Hi All,


Sorry to resurrect an old thread but thought it was the best place for the below;


I'm new to the area and wanted to get a clearer picture on the parking restrictions in place around the playing fields opposite the vet college. I can see it's part of the permit area between 8am-6pm but I wanted to know if the grass verge opposite the college i.e the large strip that leads onto the field is public/private (RVC) land. Reason being, I often walk my dogs in the field and in the woods behind and usually walk there however a couple of chaps I've seen walk their dogs park on the grass verges when it's dry (spring through summer) and I personally have no problem with this because the grass is dry in the spring/summer and it's only for a short time. The other day, I saw one small car parked in the road and the other small car half on the verge/half in the road. A traffic warden pulled up in a car and gave parking tickets to both, but didn't ticket the groundman who had his truck in front of the gates of the field i.e on the concrete not the grass.


Both cars were in the road either fully or partly i.e half road/half grass. Am I right in assuming that because they were on the road they got tickets? Is the grass verge counted as the road? Just wondering as I've got a feeling the traffic officer might have smelt blood so to speak and frequent the area more regularly.


If you look at Google street/satellite the area is so much better than the pictures from 2011 show i.e no work vans on the grass verges and actual grass not mud, but would like to warn a couple of friends if they leave their cars on the grass.


Thanks,


Roger