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Title: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Editor on March 06, 2002, 01:29:44 am
The latest Neighbourhood Watch newsletter says house burglaries are on the increase.  Police also report an increase in bogus tradesmen calling door to door and preying on the elderly.  And police say some parents are failing to deal with what officers call 'nuisance youths' forcing the police to act as expensive child minders.  Any thoughts on local policing issues?  The latest newsletter is now online.  Click Here. (http://www.brookmans.com/neighbourhood/index.shtml)
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: jet on March 06, 2002, 12:11:35 pm
As I said in a previous post, what chance has vojislav got?
Why do people use so called tradesmen who call at the door.
If they are unsolicited, i.e. you havent asked them to call they are COWBOYS to a man, they don't pay taxes, they have bogus insurance and a mobile number is a dead give away.
I doubt very much if the majority of "punters" in this area would be capable of dealing with these types when they start intimidating.
There are plenty of reputable tradesmen in the area, you may need to pay VAT but you will get what you ask for.
Be firm say no thanks and close the door, it is not rude, they have no business being on your property.
I had a no nothing from a large glazing company ask if I wanted to uprate my wooden doors and windows to P.V.C. my comment was why should I consider downrating from 50 year old wood to plastic which will in time discolour. He picked on the wrong chap when he tried to convince me of the thermal advantages. I am a Consultant Engineer, wooden frames are better! not many metal frames have a proper thermal "break"
So plan what you want, take time, get three prices, don't choose the cheapest!
Finally stop dealing with con men and they will go away!
regards,
jet
Use your eyes and ears, if suspicious, take reg. numbers and call the police. Do not be frightened to be wrong. You know it makes sense.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: jet on March 09, 2002, 01:29:28 pm
Simple ways to avoid unwanted callers:-
Put up a simple notice "no callers without appointment etc"
Answer door and say "no thanks I am on long distance call" close door ,they will go!
"no thanks my dad/son is in the trade".
" no thanks tyson my rotweiller won't let strangers work in the house"
If you are physically able, bore them into submission and try to sell them something, watch them scuttle away.
It goes without saying, doesnt it to keep door on the chain at all times!
Advise is given tongue in cheek with no liability accepted.
Make the police do their job if you are in any way concerned, don't forget you may be okay but they may be going to an elderly or less able neighbour next.
Lets clear these cowboys from our village.
If they don't get work they won't come back!
regards all,
jet
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Editor on July 19, 2002, 10:23:16 am
Hertfordshire Police Authority is considering plans for a more visible police presence aimed at reassuring local communities today.  The authority says the changes could revolutionise the way police services are accessed by the public throughout the county. more (http://www.brookmans.com/news/july02/policing3.shtml)
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: anna on July 19, 2002, 12:10:00 pm
Not sure this is the right place to ask this question........but has anybody else heard really loud bangs the last couple of nights. Last night two very loud bangs that souned like shots at about 1am, and the night before, it sounded a bit more like fireworks at about the same time?

Also does any one know why Mymms Drive was closed off on Wednesday morning.  

But back on the police for a moment, I was amazed the other day, (wednesday morning) there police around because something was going on in Mymms Drive. I got a knock on my door, from a policeman asking if they Van over the Road belonged to anyone in my house. I said No, he said, well its parked too near the Junction and is causing a problem. So could I keep my eye out for the driver, and then ask him to move it!!  The policeman said he was too busy, but I hardly thought it fair of him to ask a "youngish" female, to go and tell some van driver to move his van which wasn't even outside my house!!!
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: jet on July 19, 2002, 12:37:27 pm
Dear Anna,
Being a lightish sleeper, they woke me up, I thought it was thunder but as there was no lightening?
My wife asked the same about Mymms, I assumed they closed it due to the proximity to the road works?
As far as parked vans, well "contractors" have been obstructing the end of Mymms for months and causing an awkward situation.
Strange how its okay for school coaches to obstruct the end of roads :)
regards,
jet
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Mooniemad on July 19, 2002, 12:54:19 pm
 My sources tell me that a group of men carried out burglaries along Mymms Drive on the wednesday morning. That is why the road was closed and the area has been under surviellance since.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: jet on July 19, 2002, 02:22:31 pm
STOP PRESS,
Bangs explained ???
Just found large recentley fired rocket in back garden!
Jokers about?
regards,
jet
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: MC on July 19, 2002, 06:36:54 pm
Well on the subject of mysterious local police-related events I have a story from a while back.

It was probably 2 or 3 years ago and I was sitting on the train at BP waiting for it to go.

As it pulled away the people in the two cars parked right in the middle of the car park got out. I had been watching them while waiting for the train and was curious who they were.  They were casually dressed but seemed organised and looked like they were waiting for something.

As the train pulled out they put on their little Police baseball caps and shouldered their machine guns.

Yes you read it right. These guys all had heavy duty weaponry. Unfortunately the spectacle unfolded out of sight for me because the train pulled away.

I've often wondered what it was all about. but i think it does prove the point that there's stuff going on all the time and mostly we are non the wiser. Makes you think though.

Mark




Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Mary_Morgan on July 19, 2002, 09:00:05 pm
Mark
Bit like the number of unmarked cars with big burly chaps wearing blue shirts that speed up and down Swanland Road with great regularity.    Always been curious to know what they were up to.
Mary
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: jet on July 19, 2002, 09:23:06 pm
I remember the stake out around the area of my house about 10 years ago, gun runners I believe, they stood out like a sore thumb, the police I mean.
Kids were walking past whistling Laurel & Hardy. ;D
We thought they were burglars and rang plod only to be told ignore them :o
This is not the sleepy hollow we all think it is, where does the dosh for some of these massive houses come from ???
regards,
jet
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Govvy on July 20, 2002, 05:19:11 pm
I know the side round, next to A1, towards south mimms, The police have driving training down there, which must be part of thier route.

Just occurded to me, there might be a field or a place near by B.P that they could be using for training. It be intresting to know. But this is only one of the many thoeries that pass through my head. I am sure I lost half my marbles know ???

Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: James Bentall on July 22, 2002, 01:35:54 am
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My sources tell me that a group of men carried out burglaries along Mymms Drive on the wednesday morning. That is why the road was closed and the area has been under surviellance since.


That's what I've heard - a policeman was wandering around Welham Green station when I came home on Friday, and said that there had been a 'major robbery' in Brookmans Park on Wednesday and that a getaway vehicle had been found dumped in Holloways Lane near the station in Welham Green.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Neville Hobbs on November 04, 2002, 04:58:08 pm
Has anyone seen a lid-less dustbin with a broken handle?!?!?!?
I arrived at my office this morning to find a black bag of rubbish on the ground where my dustbin used to live. It was previously CHAINED to a cast iron downpipe with the chin also going around the lid and now some ba**ard has nicked the bin!!!!!!
The handle must have ben cut off to remove the bin.
I do still have a very useful lid!!!!!!
CHarming. >:(
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: jet on November 04, 2002, 05:52:12 pm
I can sell you a new one at a reasonable commission with survey included if you like :) subject to "con"tract of course and as seen ;) Perhaps someone is now living in it ???
regards,
jet
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: MC on November 05, 2002, 01:31:46 am
is that on a sole agent basis or can we all bid for the business? Based on the £ per sq footage that prices have reached around here I reckon a new bin should be about £250
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Sparkie on November 05, 2002, 11:22:25 am
Living in a bin, Luxury My Lad.

I trust they are paying their council tax.

:P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: jet on November 05, 2002, 12:09:53 pm
Would this bin best be described as detached, semi detached or open plan as it has a roof and no sides which would still be perfectly marketable nowadays.
Joking aside it is still theft and no laughing matter to the owner who I trust will reallise that no offense is intended and that his loss is not funny.
I will be on the lookout.
Good job this receptical was not "bin" laden with rubbish
or we would be searching for an ur"bin" terrorist.
Enough :) :) :) :)
regards,
jet
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Sparkie on November 05, 2002, 05:58:58 pm
Obviously, it's a Mobile Home.  :D

Best regards

Sparkie
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Neville Hobbs on November 05, 2002, 06:52:05 pm
Your jokes are "rubbish". This is a very serious matter. I have lost my treasured dustbin which I have had for years. I was only asking everyone to be on the lookout for a one handled bin without a lid - I didnt expect a barrage of crap jokes - do you have no compassion?  All this crap when I have no bin to put it in!
Please be on the lookout for anyone struggling around with a detached black one handled lidless bin - esp if they have a second hand strimmer with them at the time - that belongs to Brian!

P.S. Second hand padlock and chain for sale with fitted lid.     ;)
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: jet on November 05, 2002, 07:05:12 pm
Typical Estate Agent :o self self self.
Have you no feelings for the poor bin, you should take better care of your property. :o
As you should be well aware theft is the responsibility of the owner, not the poor criminal who only commits a crime because of careless security >:(
The person who stole it needs counselling and help, possibly a holiday in the West Indies with all the other E.A.s ;) Has the bin gone or have we all bin had. Have the CIA got it ??? Aliens ???
regards,
jet
PLease note that the above is meant within a satirical context and is not a reflection on E.A.s who are fine, upstanding members of society providing a service that every one uses.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Neville Hobbs on November 05, 2002, 07:21:44 pm
Jet,
I think we need to put the lid on this one now. It is, after all, only a dustbin - a nice dustbin which I have had for many years - but it is still on ly a bin.
I shall pop off to see if Brian can find me a new 2 handled bin to fit my lid - when I have a few hours to spare.
The point is, where do these scum bags come from? and why do they refuse to behave?
Nuff said -next topic please.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: jet on November 05, 2002, 08:42:43 pm
To you its just a bin, to me its a theft in the community which we all share and care for.
I REFUSE to give up my quest for the BIN, even though it has BIN missing for severall days, I will not put a LID on it as it WHEELY is quite serious  and I hope it will not lead to a CHAIN of BIN thefts.
You cried out in the dark despond of despair and your plaintive call has been heeded.
I suggest a reward for info leading to the arrest of the thief, I only pray we are not too late and it has gone to that great DUMP in the sky.
regards,
jet
Possibly my last word on the subject :D As it is a WASTE of time
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Aidan Winwood on November 06, 2002, 04:00:58 pm
Perhaps this was linked to the other spate of thefts we had last Saturday.  Alldays was broken into, they tried to break into Brookmans Park News and they broke into the Grocers stealing all the charity boxes - what a bunch of B********.

Aidan
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Neville Hobbs on November 06, 2002, 04:17:06 pm
THanks for the info Aiden,
No doubt the bas**rds were not prepared, and wanted my bin to put the stolen goods in!
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Aloo on January 15, 2003, 11:06:20 am
Not sure if I have should have registered this under  different thread but thought it worth noting the following:

Last Sunday morning at approx. 10.30 there was an man is his 40's/50's sifting through the receipts from around the cash machine outside the post office.  

The man did not look particularly "shifty" but it was clear he was not a council cleaner either.    It may be that he was a civic minded person clearing up other people's rubbish, but I doubt it.  

I think the cash machine receipt removes four digits of the account number details, nevertheless  i thought it worth recording the incident here, if only to ask that we beware of discarding the receipts from the cash machine.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Editor on January 15, 2003, 11:22:52 am
Hi Jay,
The press office for the Alliance & Leicester say there is nothing on the receipts that could lead to a criminal being able to draw money out of an account.  There are other scams in operation however and a warning was recently published on this site.  Click here for more details (http://www.brookmans.com/news/november02/cashpoint.shtml)
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Editor on March 12, 2004, 06:50:09 pm
The latest crime figures have just been published in the local neighbourhood watch newsletter. (http://www.brookmans.com/neighbourhood/crime104.shtml)
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Editor on March 28, 2004, 11:26:37 am
Police are warning local residents to make sure garden sheds are secure. Officers say there is usually an increase in thefts during the spring. More details. (http://www.brookmans.com/news/march04/crimealert17.shtml)
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: john on March 29, 2004, 11:53:34 am
and there'll be the usual spring-time spate of fly-tipping of:    local garden rubbish, the by-products of spring-renovated kitchens, bathrooms, ... ?
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Neville Hobbs on March 29, 2004, 01:55:45 pm
How is a good padlock going to keep these low life scum bags out of sheds? A crowbar will remove any padlock from a wooden shed and cause a lot of damage in the process.
Personally I think a good loud alarm is better and leave the door unlocked. Valuable items are best locked in an alarmed garage in my opinion.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Oly on May 02, 2004, 02:13:30 am
Hi everyone

I just want to get people's opinions on the problems that occur in the village i.e. vandalism-number one priority which need to be sorted

We need a greater police presence in the village is there anyway we can make it happen. I know that my post wont make the police suddenly come rushging down here.

Does the community polce officer or the residents have any ideas?

There was also a fight on friday night (suposeidly) it think thats how its spelt?

It wont be long before people take the law into their own hands and i can see why.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Mad_Dad on May 03, 2004, 02:19:19 pm
If everyone was willing to pay an additional £100 a year in Council Tax to the Parish Council then it could employ Street Wardens for Brookmans Park, Welham Green and Little Heath. As well as providing a visible deterrent against children behaving badly it may also help with adult antisocial behaviour, like parking on the pavement, and all the other things that people complain about on this site.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: sasquartch on May 03, 2004, 04:20:47 pm
Was actually under the impression that a large amount of our money through the council tax is used to fund the police.

The problem with employing private wardens is that the police will think they can do even less in Brookmans Park.

So, no, an extra 100 pounds a year on my council tax is NOT the answer.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Oly on May 03, 2004, 09:20:04 pm
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Was actually under the impression that a large amount of our money through the council tax is used to fund the police.


Thats a first, and the police still dont do anything!!!

Pointless
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Editor on May 04, 2004, 01:36:55 pm
I have removed two posts which associated a group of people with a recent spate of vandalism. This site will not allow accusations to be made suggesting that individuals or groups of people have been responsible for any alleged crime until charges have been brought, the case has been heard in court, and it has been proven. The only exception would be where the police have issued an appeal for information and have chosen to release more details.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Oly on May 04, 2004, 04:14:55 pm
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I have removed two posts which associated a group of people with a recent spate of vandalism.


Why cant we name and shame them, they are only contributing to the destruction of the country
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: eric on May 04, 2004, 04:32:28 pm
Interesting contrasts today when the Editor is (rightly) advocating the case for caution but there's continuing extensive public debate about

the Head Teachers Conference talking of the many instances of accusations by pupils against teachers, the publicity often given to such allegations, the results (many accusations turning out to be unfounded & malicious, early publicity driving teacher Alistair Wilbee to suicide, and the unfairness of no-smoke-without fire

the photos (factual or fabrication ?) associated with the QLR

the public name-and-shame of neighbours from hell

If someone sees the owner of a fouling dog, or finds personal correspondence in a pile of fly-tip bags in Bradmore Lane, how many favour a name be given such as to find out "why ?"  and how many would not ?     (even if they were on the receiving-end)

Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Margaret on May 04, 2004, 04:32:37 pm
As my dear old mum would say Two wrongs don't make a right. It would be too easy for some people to say something bad about somebody because they hold a grduge etc. against them. Report them to the police and keep doing so. Try and get evidence of the wrong doing (safely). Make our government aware we will not vote for them until they do something to help our police to do what they are paid for, policing. Let our government know also that what works in our capital city doesn't necessary work in little towns and villages.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: AgentOrange on May 05, 2004, 10:10:28 am
Whilst I respect the editor's decision and the stated policy, I do have a question. Is there a conflict of interest between the employment or interests of any of the administrative  / editorial team and the content that the editor removed from this website?

If there is, then I think in the spirit that appears to be prevalent on this website, it should be openly and publicly declared!

I shall also re-state the issue, in line with policy: a number of houses in Pine Grove were vandalised over the Bank Holiday weekend, with grafitti being sprayed on boundary walls and fences. The police have been informed and investigations are proceeding.

Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: steve on May 05, 2004, 03:38:23 pm
aorange

the editor i believe is doing the right thing. how would you like it if your name was chastised on this website with no hard prove. the editor is obviously protecting the existence of the website.
i would also like to remind you that he runs this website for no charge and does a good job.
before you ask, yes i do know him as a neighbour and fully appreciate the effort he puts into this website.

steve
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: AgentOrange on May 05, 2004, 05:03:13 pm
Steady now. I am not calling anyone names, but conflicts of interest represent a serious issue. They can be conscious (at best) or unconscious (at worst). Agendas can be promoted through inauspicious means and it is in the interests of all of us that the interests of those who promote an excellent public service to the village are made known.

MPs, councillors, JPs and other individuals in public positions have to declare their interests in the interests of transparency and fairness. Since this website offers such an excellent public service to the village, it is not an unreasonable question to ask. It is not casting any aspersions on anyone, but a question that given the nature of the website and the contentious issues it deals with is worth asking.

The editor has clarified the issue, for which I am grateful. With regard to your other points, if I was defamed or libelled by a website, there are long standing mechanisms in place in this country to deal with it such as the courts. The editor has taken a particular view as to how to deal with such issues. That is fine. But do not think for a moment that my comments were a personal attack on the integrity or honesty of the editor. They were valid, reasonable questions, the answers to which I am more than happy with.

So keep your pants on...it's only a website about a small village in a nation of 60 million people on a planet of 6 billion, orbiting a small sun in the unfashionable western end of the galaxy.. :)
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Editor on May 05, 2004, 08:07:51 pm
Dear AgentOrange,

There are no conflicts of interest. The post was removed for legal reasons. The site’s rules are there to protect all individuals and groups from defamation.

In the post that I removed, it had been suggested that a particular named group was responsible for a criminal act. As you say in your post, the police are investigating. Until those investigations result in arrests, trial, and convictions, it is not advisable to name and blame a group of people, particularly when the comments are made in an anonymous post.

These rules will continue to be applied to the site regardless of the personal circumstances of the team who take responsibility for this website. It has nothing to do with a conflict of interests, it is a legal issue. Hertfordshire police were also uncomfortable with the generalisation contained in the removed post.

The site’s editorial guidelines are clear on this issue. Click here to view them. (http://www.brookmans.com/guidelines.shtml#defamation) The site's forum agreement also touches on these issues. Click here to read the agreement. (http://www.brookmans.com/agreement.shtml)

David Brewer
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: AgentOrange on May 06, 2004, 10:18:05 am
This is getting silly. I had already stated that the Editor had clarified the point and that I was happy with it.

Steve suggested that I impugned the Editors honesty and reputation.  I did not.

Policy is policy. We all agreed to it when we signed up and I have no problems with it (except occassionally forgetting it). In which case the Editor and his team are on the case. Fine.

Trying to pull this back to the thread, what can we do about the petty vandalism that dogs our village?

CCTV?
Street Wardens?
Community Support Officers?
Or are we going to hire private security firms as some residents of parts of London do?
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Oly on May 06, 2004, 02:19:26 pm
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Or are we going to hire private security firms as some residents of parts of London do?.


What a marvelous idea, perhaps they will do more than the police bother to do!!!

just take it out of the council tax theyl be plenty left for the council to take their share, since all they do is waste it on junk.

Was there a fight in the village on friday eve?
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: winkielink on May 17, 2004, 12:27:58 am
I'm I the only one who thinks that we'd get a significant change in atmosphere around the village if we had a policeman who actually lived in our community.

Bring back the days when everyone knew which house belonged to the local policeman and combine that with the fact that he/she would know everyone locally. Truly local policing makes a lot of sense in my book.

George.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Buster on May 18, 2004, 11:41:10 am
What chance have we got of sorting out the vandalism when we can't do anything about local issues such as parking on the pavement!  This is usually local residents or businesses and is ruining the pavement and grass verges as well as being a hazzad to pedestrians.  

Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Editor on June 14, 2004, 05:25:02 pm
Herts Constabulary has e-mailed this site to let people know about a recruitment drive for Police Community Support Officers (PCSO) in this area.

An open day is being held on Saturday, June 19, between 10am and 2pm, at Hertfordshire Constabulary Headquarters in Welwyn Garden City. The aim is to recruit PCSOs and provide information about what the job involves.

Herts police say PCSOs provide vital support to police officers by dealing with non-emergency crimes and tackling nuisance behaviour and disorder.

They say PCSOs provide a uniformed presence on the streets and become a vital link between the police and local communities

Recruitment packs are also available on the Recruitment Hotline on 01992 510505. The line is open 9am to 5.30pm, Monday to Friday.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: falkor on July 02, 2004, 01:37:03 am
 ;) so is anybody interested in being a PCSO or not??

if so try http://national-pcsos.co.uk  8) 8)
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Editor on September 27, 2004, 09:40:37 am
After 25 years policing the local community, Vojislav Mihailovic is hanging up his tunic and putting on a suit as he takes on the role of secretary of the Hertfordshire Police Federation. Click here for more details. (http://www.brookmans.com/news/september04/vojislav.shtml)
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Phil_Holm on September 28, 2004, 05:14:03 pm
Will there be someone else doing his current job?  Or is he not being repaced?
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Editor on October 27, 2004, 02:22:23 pm
The area has a new community police officer responsible for covering Brookmans Park, Welham Green, and Little Heath. He is PC Elvett Phipps from St Albans. He will take up the role with immediate effect. Click here for more details. (http://www.brookmans.com/news/october04/communitypc.shtml)
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: southbury on October 27, 2004, 07:23:48 pm
Would it be possible / likely that our new Bobby would be able to 'meet' the community (say at the URC one evening) so that we can be introduced to him and at the same time we can raise his awareness of local issues ?
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Editor on October 27, 2004, 07:42:04 pm
They used to do that once a year. If they arrange an event and let us know we will publicise it on the site.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Editor on November 06, 2004, 08:50:22 pm
The outgoing community police officer, Vojislav Mihailovic, has published his last Brookmans Park and Little Heath Neighbourhood Watch Scheme Newsletter.

In it he explains his reasons for moving on, and says that crime is significantly down compared to 1990 when he took on the job.

You can read his latest newsletter by clicking here, (http://www.brookmans.com/neighbourhood/crime404.shtml) or you can read the latest news item on the site by clicking here. (http://www.brookmans.com/news/november04/communitypc2.shtml)
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Aidan Winwood on November 08, 2004, 03:42:22 pm
Can I just say that I think it will be brilliant if the police successfully manage to prosecute the parents of kids who ride gopeds (see newsletter) - this may well finally drive the point home.

And also thank you Vojislav - it's been great to have a consistant police officer around the village for so long.  Best of luck in the future.

Aidan
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: jet on November 08, 2004, 06:36:38 pm
I think Constable V Ms statement makes very interesting reading.
You don't have to read between the lines with V M.
A great loss to our area. A real policeman, let down by government policy.
Lets hope his attitude towards criminals helps the Federation achieve an improvement in the police force.
regards,
jet
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Editor on January 09, 2005, 08:07:29 pm
Former community PC Vojislav Mihailovic has been officially thanked for his service to the area by North Mymms Parish Council. Click here for the details. (http://www.brookmans.com/news/january05/communitypc2.shtml)
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Birch on January 17, 2005, 03:27:55 pm
Is it possible to get a list of crimes for the local area...mine being Welham Green in order that I can see the magnitude and type of crime happening in the area?
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Bob on January 17, 2005, 04:18:47 pm
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Is it possible to get a list of crimes for the local area...mine being Welham Green in order that I can see the magnitude and type of crime happening in the area?

http://www.brookmans.com/neighbourhood/crime404.shtml

Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Birch on January 17, 2005, 05:23:28 pm
Ta for that.  But does that include Welham Green?
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Editor on January 17, 2005, 06:15:13 pm
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Is it possible to get a list of crimes for the local area...mine being Welham Green in order that I can see the magnitude and type of crime happening in the area?


Brenda Harris, who heads up the Brookmans Park and Little Heath Neighbourhood Watch Group (Click here to read their page) (http://www.brookmans.com/neighbourhood/index.shtml) tells me that as far as she is aware there isn't a neighbourhood watch group or a crime prevention group in Welham Green.  

As for crime figures, there is a meeting later this week involving neighbourhood watch volunteers and the new community bobby Elvett Phipps (Click here to read about Elvett) (http://www.brookmans.com/news/october04/communitypc.shtml
) at which they will recommend that the regular newsletters, which contain the latest crime figures, will continue (click here for the most recent newsletter and Vojislav's last.) (http://www.brookmans.com/neighbourhood/crime404.shtml). Apparently, PC Phipps has indicated he is keen for this to happen.

Brenda says that if anyone wants to volunteer to set up a neighbourhood watch group for Welham Green they should contact the community police office on 01707-638112, or you can talk to Brenda. Her number is on the neighbourhood watch page. (http://www.brookmans.com/neighbourhood/index.shtml)
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Editor on April 23, 2005, 04:40:28 pm
In his first Neighbourhood Watch newsletter, community PC Elvett Phipps, says thefts from vehicles are currently at 'unacceptably high' levels. Click here to read the latest newsletter. (http://www.brookmans.com/neighbourhood/crime105.shtml)
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Editor on April 30, 2005, 09:05:39 am
The Chief Constable of Hertfordshire, Frank Whiteley, has offered to meet local neighbourhood watch members and show them round the police control room in Welwyn Garden City. Click here for more details. (http://www.brookmans.com/news/april05/controlvisit.shtml)
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Mermaid on May 02, 2005, 06:46:46 pm
I am delighted to be able to put some real praise the way of the police!

Last year our (locked and bolted) house was broken into on Village Day. Police officers attended promptly, SOCO's attended promptly. Everyone was kind and courteous,  and they kept in touch for quite a while after the event,  even though we all knew it was like looking for a needle in a haystack. 

We didn't expect anything to come of it at all, but Lo! we received a 'phone call today letting us know that the offender has been apprehended and sentenced to 5 years.   ;D

So a big 'thank you' to our local police forces.  :-*

Mermaid
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: pib on May 04, 2005, 06:30:26 pm
I agree with you Mermaid. Im glad you found satisfaction. I think by and large the police tend to do a very good job. And of the times where I have had to contact them they have been very kind helpful and efficient.   They have a very difficult job to do these days. Part of the problem they have is when they catch the criminal, the courts often give them a laughable sentence! It sends a nod and a wink to the defendant to go out and do it all over again - and they do just that!
One time when I did jury service, someone we sent down for a crime he committed had 23 previous convictions!! And when the judge sentenced him this time round, he gave him sentences to run "concurrently" whereas he should have been serving them consecutively. Putting aside for a moment good behavior too, they can often end up serving less than half their sentence as well! Wasnt it strongman Michael Howard, when he was Home Secretary that introduced that little wheeze???  :icon_scratch:  As far as I can recall his Criminal Justice Act was so lackadaisical, it was nicknamed the Christmas Act because there was something in it for everyone!
I came to realise years ago that law and justice are two very different things. The Law industry such as the courts and all that accompanies them is interested in making as much work as possible - and any good businessman will tell you about the essentials of generating "repeat business"  ;) 
On a lighter note and I shouldnt really be saying this since this happens to be one of my trade secrets, but if you are going out then leave your windows open!! Why?? Because people will think you are in when you are out!   ;  A house with all the windows battened down is a bit of a give away in my view especially during the sweltering weather which we are soon to experience (with a bit of luck!  ;)  ) A bit of inverted psychological thinking is being applied here I think, because it begs the question who would be mad enough to leave their windows open when they go out?? Well me for one!  ;D
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: eric on May 05, 2005, 08:09:18 am
Dear pib:  if you get burgled because you left your window/s open, won't that nullify your insurance ?  JUst a thought
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: pib on May 05, 2005, 07:22:45 pm
That may be true actually Eric and thank you for your that point! However I think the gains far outweigh the risks. It seems to work for me  ;)

I do think however that people tend to over rate the intelligence of a lot of burglars. Many people (I think due to the television) imagine the burglar to resemble some kind of superclever insane criminal genius, when the truth is most of them are apathetic and lazy, always looking for the quick "knock off" to sell for fast cash. 

If they sat down and realised they would generate much more revenue by doing some hard work instead of intermittent stealing, they might get somewhere. 

I once heard a saying that "locks are for keeping out honest people" and I happen to believe just that.  The fact is that if they have made up their minds that they are going to break in, then nothing is going to stop them if they are determined enough.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Editor on May 08, 2005, 07:00:43 pm
Hertfordshire Constabulary is encouraging local residents to fill out a Home Office online survey in order to gather views on how to make the police "more responsive and more accountable to local communities."

It takes a couple of minutes to complete and it asks questions such as:


The survey doesn't ask for an email address or phone number, so you don't have to worry about being put on a mailing list, or being contacted by phone. You don't even have to give your name, although it does ask for age, sex, ethnic background, and the name of the county you live in.

Click here for the survey page (http://www.broadata.co.uk/police/page1.aspx).
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Mermaid on June 11, 2005, 01:03:34 pm
What on earth was going on in the village centre last night? I've been told that there were running battles being fought alongside the station and that the village green was "carpeted with police"!?!

Mermaid
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: SM on June 14, 2005, 10:47:17 pm
When I walked home from the station on Friday (10 June) at about 7.15pm, there must have been 50+ youths hanging around the village green and station.

Ages probably ranged from about 10 - 16.  They weren't up to any mischief at that point, although I did see a couple of brandy bottles.

Can anyone update on whether anything actually happened?
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Editor on June 19, 2005, 09:01:00 pm
Brenda Harris, secretary of Brookmans Park and Little Heath Neighbourhood Watch, asked for publicity for the following event arranged by Hertfordshire Constabulary.

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You are warmly invited to attend a Garden Security Event which aims to educate people how to :
  • 'Design Out Crime' in their own gardens - giving it less 'kerb appeal' to burglars.
  • Introduce you to the concept of 'Defensive Planting' and the new Crimewatch Rose - officially being launched at the RHS Hampton Court Flower Show on 4th July with Fiona Bruce from Crimewatch UK.
  • Learn how to postcode and mark your property.

WHEN - Monday 20th June 10-6pm and Tuesday 21st June 10-2pm

WHERE - The Dutch Nursery, The Great North Road, Brookmans Park, Hatfield, Herts. AL9 6ND Tel: 01707 653372. Simon Kirby is the Event Contact Name at the Nursery.
  • Short talks given almost hourly on garden security.
  • Bargain price security products.
  • Property Marking.
  • Free Crime Prevention Literature.
I am hoping some of the senior officers in Hertfordshire Constabulary will attend. Please feel free to invite neighbours and friends along. Parking may be a little tight so I suggest you share cars where possible.

Regards

Sgt Lara Lloyd-Taylor
Hertfordshire Constabulary

Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Editor on September 22, 2005, 07:33:25 pm
The area has a new community police officer. He is PC Jitendra Dave, also known as Jitu. Jitendra takes over from PC Elvett Phipps, who has been the community officer for Brookmans Park, Welham Green, and Little Heath since October last year. Click here for more details. (http://www.brookmans.com/news/september05/communitypc3.shtml)
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Editor on October 25, 2005, 06:43:03 pm
Police are asking people to ensure they don’t make it easy for thieves, following one burglary and one attempted burglary in Brookmans Avenue in recent days. Click here for more (http://www.brookmans.com/news/october05/burglarybrookmansavenue.shtml).
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Editor on October 26, 2005, 07:43:01 am
This news rlease email has just been sent to the site by Hertfordshire Constabulary. Seeing as it is relevant to the recent burglary and attempted burglary in Brookmans Avenue, I am copying it below.

SWITCH ON TO HOME SECURITY
By Corporate Communication Dept


WITH the clocks going back this weekend and the nights starting to draw in, police are urging residents to make sure their homes have the ‘lived-in’ look in the late afternoon and evenings.

Each year, the weekend the clocks go back is the start of a seasonal peak in home burglaries which lasts throughout most of November. Homes are left in complete darkness because daylight has faded before the occupiers are back from work or a day out and it is immediately obvious to burglars that no one is home.

Having a light come on inside your home as it begins to get dark can significantly reduce the risk of your home being targeted and police are encouraging residents to buy, and use, timer switches for lights.

County Crime Reduction Officer, Andy Reynolds, said: “Timer switches are inexpensive and used correctly, they can significantly reduce the risk of your home being broken into.

“Fitting the switches to lights and radios and setting them to come on at the time it begins to get dark, will give the impression someone is home. A burglar is then less likely to risk breaking into your home.”

Timer switches can be bought from most DIY and electrical stores. Always read the manufacturer’s guide before use.
Police also recommend the following advice to protect your home:


For further home security advice, contact your local crime prevention officer on 0845 33 00 222.

/news release ends
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Editor on November 29, 2005, 09:49:07 pm
Click here for the latest Neighbourhood Watch Newsletter (http://www.brookmans.com/neighbourhood/crimewinter05.shtml). By the way, I've invited the area co-ordinator to post directly to this forum if there are local crime alerts, rather than wait until leaflets are printed and posted door-to-door.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Editor on November 30, 2005, 06:37:43 am
The latest Neighbourhood Watch Newsletter issues a Christmas shopping warning and an update on car crime. Here are the extracts. The newsletter can be read in full by clicking here (http://www.brookmans.com/neighbourhood/crimewinter05.shtml).

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Burglary - Xmas update


As you are all starting to buy Xmas presents, can I remind everyone to be aware and vigilant. Firstly, do not leave them in display in your car once you have finished your shopping. Once you are at home, leave them in a secure, out of reach and out of sight place. Try not to put the presents under the tree too early, especially if they can easily be seen from the street. Don't tempt thieves by leaving presents on display. To put it simply: Don't encourage window shopping in your own home.

Car crimes

Hertfordshire Police is aware of a spate of burglaries where the main and only objective is to steal car keys of high value, high performance cars. I can not stress enough the importance of garaging your car(s) at all times, even if it is for a short period. Also, if you have an alarm, make sure it covers your garage area, and set the alarm at night time and every time you go out.

If you do not have a garage, think about a steering-wheel lock or a clamp. They are cheap and easy to use. Leave your keys in a safe and secure place. If you want to keep spare keys, the loft is a good place to use.

Christel Anslow

Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: john on November 30, 2005, 08:50:47 am
a point for consideration/ discussion.     There are reports in and around London that more people are finding wallets, purses, keys or what-have-you going missing, but then "re-finding" them:  after the thieves have extracted what information or copies they need.  The thieves/ pirates then bide their time before using what they have obtained ...   
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Christel on December 09, 2005, 04:59:12 pm
House Burglary
DATE   :   Thursday 8th November
TIME   :   between 06.45 and 18.15
LOCATION   :   Bluebridge Road

Message
Offender(s) gained entry via the first floor bathroom window, made an untidy search and removed property. Offender(s) exited via the point of entry.
Can you help?
Have you seen or heard anything or anyone acting suspiciously around this time?
If so, please call 0845 33 00 222

An external pipe can be more difficult to climb by fitting a spiked collar around it or by painting a section of it with anti-climb ”non-drying” paint, preferably above 2.25 m to avoid accidental damage.
Be aware, if you do use anti-climb paint around the outside of your house or on fences, you must display signs warning of the hazard. Reapply the paint at the recommended intervals.
Both items should be available from a lock smith and you may also find anti-climb paint in a DIY store.


In an emergency ALWAYS dial 999:
An emergency is where:
 There is risk of injury
 There is risk of serious damage to property/person
 You suspect a crime is in progress
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Christel on December 09, 2005, 05:31:16 pm
House Burglary
DATE   :   Thursday 8th November
TIME   :   between 7.53 and 16.05
LOCATION   :   Upland Drive

Offender(s) gained access to  the frist floor of the house by climbing a drainpipe and stepping onto the roof. They made an untidy search of the first floor and removed property. They then went downstairs  which triggered the alarm- and carried out another search. Offender(s) exited by a small window.
Can you help?
Have you seen or heard anything or anyone acting suspiciously around this time?
If so, please call 0845 33 00 222

An external pipe can be more difficult to climb by fitting a spiked collar around it or by painting a section of it with anti-climb ”non-drying” paint, preferably above 2.25 m to avoid accidental damage.
Be aware, if you do use anti-climb paint around the outside of your house or on fences, you must display signs warning of the hazard. Reapply the paint at the recommended intervals.
Both items should be available from a lock smith and you may also find anti-climb paint in a DIY store.


In an emergency ALWAYS dial 999:
An emergency is where:
 There is risk of injury
 There is risk of serious damage to property/person
 You suspect a crime is in progress

Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Christel on December 15, 2005, 06:03:33 pm
Thurday 15th December

Please be ALL AWARE of a suspicious vehicle:

INDEX NUMBER  : N68 GDW , WHITE ESCORT VAN.

It has been reported to the police and the log number that you will need to quote if you see it again is : URN 774 date 15/12/05.

May I take this opportunity to thank the neighbour who has kindly reported this incident.

Carrying on the good work.

On behalf of Herts Police, Thank you.

Christel Anslow
Watch Liaison Officer
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: PC Jitu Davé on December 16, 2005, 07:39:14 pm
Recently there have been reports of two young boys and two young girls knocking on people's doors and asking for money stating that their father has died. They state that they are from St. Albans and that their mother has dropped them off by car. The children are said to be aged between 5 and 11. One resident I spoke to gave them some money. Another stated that they had gone to her house shortly after being told to go away. It seems that these are very persistent children. I would advise people not to believe their sob story or give them any money. It will simply encourage them to return to Brookmans Park.

PC Jitu DAVE
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Christel on December 22, 2005, 04:53:11 pm
   Contact:      Sarah Ashdown
   Direct Line:      01707 354235
   E-mail:      sarah.ashdown@herts.pnn.police.uk


Re:  Simulated Policing Events / Role Plays

Hertfordshire Constabulary will soon be opening the doors on its new training facility in Letchworth, Hertfordshire. 

We are currently seeking volunteer role players to become actively involved with the training of our student police officers.  This is an exciting opportunity to gain an insight into how Hertfordshire Constabulary train their officers and for volunteers to see how offenders, victims and suspects are dealt with.  Volunteers may wish to have their fingerprints taken, or even spend time locked up in the cells! 

These role plays will take place in and around Letchworth in a safe, risk assessed environment. 

If you are aware of anybody who may be interested in participating in these simulated policing events, or for further information, please contact me.

Yours sincerely,
Sarah Ashdown
Compass Administrator
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Christel on January 03, 2006, 10:47:15 am
Shed Burglaries in your area.

Message

A spate of shed burglaries has happened in your area between Xmas and New Year’s eve.
Can you help? Have you seen anything unusual?
Please call  0845 33 00 222. Thank you.

In an emergency ALWAYS dial 999:
An emergency is where:
 There is risk of injury
 There is risk of serious damage to property
 You suspect a crime is in progress

Please consider the followings:
- anchor points to which you secure your bikes/tools/equipment.
- Engraving/coding your belongings and keeping a record
- Inexpensive shed stand-alone alarms available from DIY stores and dedicated alarm suppliers.
- Fitting a closed shackle padlock using coach bolts to secure the hasp and staple.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Christel on January 03, 2006, 11:42:23 am
Theft of Motor Vehicle

DATE    : between Thursday 29th and Friday 30th December
TIME    :   between  16.00 and 12.20
LOCATION   :   Peplins Way

Message
Offender(s) removed the vehicle while it was parked on the driveway.
The stolen vehicle was :
R80    BLACK/SILVER    BMW
Index Number : G40SGU


Have you seen anything unusual at this time and date?
If you see the car, Please call  0845 33 00 222.
Thank you.

In an emergency ALWAYS dial 999:
An emergency is where:
 There is risk of injury
 There is risk of serious damage to property
 You suspect a crime is in progress

Please consider those ideas:
1. If possible, garage your car at all time.
2. If you have an alarm, set it so that it covers your garage area; and set it when you go to bed or out.
3. Also, your car keys must be put in a secure, hard to reach and out of sight place.
4. Mechanical immobilisers such as steering-wheel locks and wheel clamp are cheap and easy to fit.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Editor on January 10, 2006, 09:52:30 am
Thieves have broken into Brookmans Park News, taking a large amount of goods and cash. Newsagent, Mayur Patel, is appealing for witnesses to come forward. The incident happened sometime between Monday night, January 9, and Tuesday morning January 10. Click here for more details. (http://www.brookmans.com/news/january06/mayurbreakin.shtml)
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: John_fraser on January 16, 2006, 08:50:22 pm
Last week the village newsagents was broken into. At some point over the weekend the ticket office at the station was broken into. I have been told that last night no fewer than three shops were broken into. I am also lead to believe that at least one of the break ins was reported by a resident while it was still in progress.

 If this is all true, I find it staggering that these thieves should have such a low opinion of the ability of police to respond that they would break into multiple shops in one night, less than a week after another shop was broken into. What I find outrageous is that their low opinion of the police appears to be spot on. Mayur Patel’s shop apparently had the alarm off for one night, but if the reports of last night are accurate, alarms are a costly irrelevance: Just like the police.

Please, someone, tell the reports of the shops being broken into aren’t true and that I am the victim of a windup or people reporting break ins that are old news. I’d like to think that BP isn’t a blank spot on the police map.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Editor on January 17, 2006, 04:58:16 am
Hi John,

Thanks for updating this forum thread. I was also told there had been break ins at the station and three shops. I have been abroad, so have been unable to check.

I have emailed Jitu and Christel asking them to add any details they can to this thread. A police report will have been submitted.

David













Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: southbury on January 17, 2006, 11:02:12 am
I passed the Chemist and the Co-op at about 5.55 am this morning and both appeared to have been broken into. On the assumption that these further break-ins are confirmed we need to act now as a community and get assurances from Herts Police that something concrete will be done to deter any further crimes.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: sasquartch on January 17, 2006, 11:18:33 am
I was washing the car on Sunday morning and three policemen were walking down Peplins Way and asked me if I had a bonfire burning. I did not but allowed them access to my back garden so they could see where the smoke was coming from. They then went and checked that the bonfire was not endangering anything before they all headed back to the village.

Whilst I welcome a visible police presence and 'bobbies on the beat' I'd rather resources were used to tackle more important things, like burglaries and vandalism. Would the community policeman like to make any comment ? I , like JF, am saddened that this sort of crime is becoming commonplace in BP
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Bada Bing on January 17, 2006, 03:21:43 pm
Unfortunately, I agree that there seems to be a "rot" setting into the area. Unfortunately, I am no longer surprised to see alco-pop/beer bottles lying around the roads, kids throwing stones at each other and at parked cars on their way home (yes I know they are just kids mucking about like we all did - right?), gangs of kids hanging around the green mouthing off at passers by in the evenings etc.

Not sure what to suggest really ... how about some zero tolerance and name/shame those that spoil it for the rest.

I have been pleased to see police occasionally have a word with these kids, how about the police calling thru the village a couple of times every Friday/Saturday evening between 9 - 12? That should catch a few!

Before anyone asks, I'm not linking burglaries to kids and I 100% support the police - just highlighting the need for more active policing.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: John_fraser on January 17, 2006, 09:21:55 pm
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Christel Anslow, has promised to post to this site's forum following the latest incidents.
It will be interesting to see what the police have to say. If these shops had monitored alarms and/or if the police were called how long it took them to get some presence in the area.

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we need to act now as a community and get assurances from Herts Police that something concrete will be done to deter any further crimes.
As a matter of interest this is how much extra the police have taken from us over the last three years

2005   4.9%
2004 14.5%
2003 21.3%

By my rough calculation that’s a 45% hike (inflation over the same period is about 8%). Any bets on what will hit us this year?

Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: PC Jitu Davé on January 17, 2006, 11:49:21 pm
Dear readers,

Given below is the breakdown of the four incidents in their chronological order.

1.      9.1.06       Brookmans Park News. Unfortunately for one night the premises had no alarm as new shopfront was being fitted.

2.      15.1.06     Barretts Dry Cleaners.  Entry gained from dark and unlit rear of the premises.

3 and 4.      16.1.06      Co- op and the Chemist next door broken into. The co-op has no shutters.

A stolen Silver Toyota was used in this crime. The same vehicle was also used to carry out a break in at another Co op store elsewhere.

On the morning of Sunday 15th Jan.06, I was in the village and expressed my concern to the Co-op manager that the shop had no shutters. He informed me that the company had to remove the shutters as a result of the new planning permission regulation. He also informed me that the company was planning to put shutters on the inside of the shop. I advised the manager that the shutters had to be outside covering the window. I also advised him to contact the head office and ask them to reconsider their decision as the glass window would still remain vulnerable.

It is a great concern to me that these incidents are taking place. I would urge the readers and the residents to be my eyes and ears and report any suspicious vehicle or person to police on Tel: 0845 33 00 222.

I am pleased to read the positive response of the readership to be united in the fight against crime.

PC Jitu DAVE
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Editor on January 18, 2006, 03:40:12 am
Hi Jitu,

Thanks for the update. Any more news on what happened at the station?

David
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: James Bentall on January 18, 2006, 09:19:30 am
The station was attacked again last night - the ticket machine has been gutted again  :(
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: John_fraser on January 18, 2006, 10:23:21 am
PC Jitu Dave

I find your posting a little less than satisfying. 

What I would like to know is:

The shops in BP appear to have become a happy hunting ground for thieves.  The shutters on the COOP are irrelevant in this case. The newsagents had shutters, but these were broken open. At best shutters will slow the thieves down, giving the police more time to respond. Of course, this depends upon the police responding quickly…

John
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Aidan Winwood on January 18, 2006, 11:06:42 am
Hi John,

My brother and I were both woken up at about 1am-ish by the sound of the alarm for the coop.  There was indeed someone out walking across the green on th phone when the car was been loaded (my brother could actually hear the robbers saying something along the lines of "get a move on there's someone here").

The police car did not arrive for at least 10 possibly 15 minutes after the robbers had departed eratically over the railway bridge.  And this was after they had departed - they'd already spent enough time inside to bend the shutter over the cigarettes out the way and take several trips in and out.

We in Brookmans Park are going to be an easy target for crime like this since Potters Bar police station is now normal office hours only and police have to come from Hatfield to any disturbance.  Even at full pelt it would probably take the police 7-8 minutes to get here from Hatfield and the car that cruised into the village on Sunday night was doing about 20 miles an hour.  OK, I know that once the robbers are already gone there's no point dangerously racing to the scene, but if they had got here a little quicker they might have been able to shoot off in the direction the robbers went in and actually have a chance of catching up to them - slim maybe, but still a chance.

So no, I think the police response to Sunday in particular was poor.

Aidan
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: southbury on January 18, 2006, 11:11:31 am
I would like to echo John's thoughts.

Let's be honest ; the village is being treated as an easy target .. what concerns me most is that unless there is some visable detterent from the police ( even in the short-term) " word " will spread and things will actually get worse. This is not scare mongering - it's reality .
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Fiona on January 18, 2006, 12:33:14 pm
The residents of Brookmans Park are united in their fight to cut crime, all we ask is the police help us!
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Bob on January 18, 2006, 12:51:28 pm
 
£1,500 damage in raid on shop
18 January 2006
EDITORIAL - whtimes@archant.co.uk
   
A NEWSAGENT has been burgled for the second time in three months.

Thieves stole cash and cigarettes from Brookmans Park News in an overnight raid, causing £1,500 damage to the frontage.

They struck between 6.15pm last Monday and 3.50am the following morning, forcing open the metal shutters and smashing the glass front.

They searched the shop and back room before taking over £1,000 worth of cigarettes and cash from a safe.

Police searched the premises with sniffer dogs and carried out door-to-door enquiries.

The burglary is being linked to a similar raid in October, when cigarettes were stolen and £3,000 damage caused.

A police spokeswoman said: "It seems they were going for the cigarettes in both cases.

"The police are linking the incidents."

Call the crime desk on 01707 638102.

"Article from Herts24 (http://www.herts24.co.uk)"

Editor's Note: Edited only to add copyright attribution. This site carried the break in story referred to (above) last week. Click here to read it (http://www.brookmans.com/news/january06/mayurbreakin.shtml).
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: mungroo on January 19, 2006, 09:38:13 am
I have to agree with Aidan Winwood - without any local police presence, we are fighting a losing battle...and if you saw one of these crimes being committed, what would you do ? What could you do ? If you intervened, you could get injured - or if you injured the thieves, you could get banged up in a cell as the law is probably on their side.
The situation is also getting worse in Potters Bar. There is a regular gang of kids that hang out around the station. When they're not filling the ticket office with their filthy smoke they are harassing people (myself included on many occasions) to go to the off-license to buy them some booze as we walk past. Criminals of the future. There have been various acts of vandalism in the town including the top of the community Christmas tree being snapped off (the sponsor has now withdrawn their funding for future), graffiti on shop fronts, bus shelters being smashed up and in the summer the uprooting of all the flowers in Darkes Lane in a regular occurrence. Sadly, without Bobbies being there or getting there very quick (if they deemed the crime worthy of being taken seriously in the first place) I don't think there's much you can do. i.e. there is no deterrent. Look at what happened to that teacher (I forget her name) who fired air pellets at the feet of those yobs (and don't give me that 'only kids being kids' cr*p) - she got banged up in jail. I would have given her a medal and an AK47 !
Also like John Frazer I find PC Jitu Dave’s comments a little less than satisfying.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Editor on January 19, 2006, 09:45:25 am

Also like John Frazer I find PC Jitu Dave’s comments a little less than satisfying.


In defence of Jitu, he is a community police officer with a massive patch who regularly works over his hours to try to serve the community. He offered to join the forum to post about local crime and he can only offer facts and advice. There will be some details he won't be free to comment on for legal reasons. I am sure he hasn't got the authority to comment on this forum about police policy or resources. I, for one, value the effort he makes to engage with this community online as well as on the beat.

David
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: southbury on January 19, 2006, 10:13:45 am
Fair and equitable as usual David . However, we have to accept that this is a very serious situation that affects all of us , not least the traders in the Village . No one individual is to blame but we have to find the resources ( whatever they may be ) to try and deter this escalation in local - serious- crime. Ultimately this impinges on the quality of our lives . If the police deem this too trivial to tackle then we must find alternatives. It is unlikely that the police will do anything so we have to be realistic and to explore (hopefully with PC Daves assistance) other avenues. I for one would be willing to help financially with a CCTV initiative if it meant that we could stop this rot.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Editor on January 19, 2006, 10:35:19 am

It is unlikely that the police will do anything so we have to be realistic and to explore (hopefully with PC Daves assistance) other avenues. I for one would be willing to help financially with a CCTV initiative if it meant that we could stop this rot.


Perhaps we should ask the local neighbourhood watch group to arrange a public meeting for the police and concerned residents to discuss the best way forward? I have alerted the neighbourhood watch to this thread, but I am not sure any members are active forum members.

David
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: southbury on January 19, 2006, 11:14:41 am
Yes I totally agree . I live next door to the organiser of the BP Neighborhood Watch scheme so I'll suggest it .
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: ADM on January 19, 2006, 11:20:36 am
I see someone's been grasstrack racing across a couple of lawns in Moffats Lane.  What's that all about then?
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Christel on January 19, 2006, 03:33:36 pm
Dear All,

Some of you may know me already; I am the Neighbourhood Watch Liasion officer for Welwyn Hatfield.
I support the idea of a residents/NHW members meeting with the Police. It would be a good idea also to include your Councillor.
If you feel you want me to be there too, Please inform your NHW group and they will let me know.

Best Regards,
Christel
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: John_fraser on January 19, 2006, 04:27:06 pm
Dave, I don’t think you need to be defensive of Jitu. No-one has criticised him personally and I would expect any serving police officer to have developed thick enough skin to be able to deal with the, so far, mild criticisms  levelled here. I am a little puzzled on how a “community” officer can have a “massive” patch. If this is true he is not a “community” officer, he is the one beat officer left in the area after a round of cost cuts. It is also good that he posts here, but I would expect the police to publish information via every free means that could reach the public.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Editor on January 19, 2006, 05:16:35 pm

I support the idea of a residents/NHW members meeting with the Police. It would be a good idea also to include your Councillor. If you feel you want me to be there too, Please inform your NHW group and they will let me know.

Best Regards, Christel


Thanks Christel,

I've left a message on the neighbourhood watch representative's answer machine. The forum member 'southbury' lives next door to the organiser and will also mention it.

David
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Cassie on January 20, 2006, 10:02:36 am
If you witness a crime - just tell the police that the offenders are wearing a monkey fur and they'll be there in a flash!
 :)


Sorry, I don't mean to trivialise all this and would welcome the views of the Neighbourhood watch Group together with the police - something needs to be done and soon.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: CC on January 20, 2006, 02:46:11 pm
Just a reminder to everyone to be extra security conscious...

My parents house in Warrengate Road was broken into this morning. Valuable ornaments were taken. My mother returned to the house at approx 12:30pm to find the house turned upside down. Police were called, took them about 40mins to arrive.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: sharks on January 20, 2006, 04:18:07 pm
Just for your general information, over the Xmas period the gardens at the back of Peplins Way (railway side) were visited by some scoundrel.  Don't think anything was taken from the sheds but a number were certainly opened, and I believe a bike was stolen.

I suspect that the reason why we are all horrified is that we thankfully live in a relatively crime free area. 
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: John_fraser on January 20, 2006, 04:27:41 pm
I'm horrified because, despite the fact that there had bee several recent burglaries, the thieves thought they would have enough time to break into two or more shops before the police reacted. I’m degusted because they were right.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: PC Jitu Davé on January 20, 2006, 06:02:23 pm
I have read with interest some of the comments made. I shall put some more comments asap.

Jitu Dave
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: cokerdaniel on January 20, 2006, 09:17:50 pm
I would like to set the record straight and say that the recent reports of a burglary in the dry cleaners is incorrect.  I happen to own the dry cleaners and can say categorically that there was no break in.

Thanks,

Daniel Coker
Owner - Barrett Dry Cleaners
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Grant Shapps MP on January 23, 2006, 07:27:31 am
Hi all,

With reference to the recent spate of night time break-ins + car crime in the village, I've written to the Police Constable, Frank Whiteley,  to express our concern and ask what steps are being taking to try and catch the perpetrators.

In addition, this coming Friday, I have a meeting with the Area Police Commander, Alison Roome-Gifford, during which I intend to both raise the profile of our concerns and receive a brief on what steps are being taken to bring this situation under control. I would have thought that additional night patrols might be part of the solution, but will keep the forum posted of any developments,

Grant Shapps MP
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Greybeard on January 24, 2006, 09:19:38 am
What sort of deterrent would fleeting (because that is what they would be) night patrols be?

I suppose CCTV is just too expensive?
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: southbury on January 24, 2006, 10:18:12 am
I believe ( maybe someone can confirm this ) that Northaw Parish Council has provided CCTV in Cuffley? This may be one of the most viable options open to us.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Wheelie on January 24, 2006, 03:48:06 pm
hi all - this is my first time using the chat room, but I have thoroughly enjoyed reading the Newsletter since I moved to the area last May. I think it is an invaluable way for the residents to communicate!
I would like to say that I am fully supportive of the CCTV suggestion. We moved from Enfield to BP due to the increasing crime levels in the area, and unfortunately our house in Bluebridge Road was burgalled on 8th December. (gaining access via the bathroom window the same as the burgallry in Uplands Road)
The police were at the scene quite quckly - but were slightly delayed from carrying out there duties by a neighbour who reported them to their superior for parking incorrectly on the road! There is always one!
However, they were very efficient and all our neighbours have been very supportive and vigilant.
Without sounding slightly gushy I think it's great that people care about their community, and quite a refreshing change from where I once lived. I will continue to use this forum to keep abreast of the news and hopefully give my support to any local developments to fight crime.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Laurel on January 25, 2006, 10:29:28 am
Hi all,

My name is Laurel Smithson and I am a reporter on the Welwyn&Hatfield Times. Brookmans Park is also in the villages which I cover on the paper, so I have been covering everything that has been going on (and hopefully helping police with witness appeals etc to catch whoever is responsible).

Just wanted to say that if there's anything I can do to help, let me know! That applies to this and with anything else about the village (or if you just have a story). I have just started covering the patch, having moved over from the Hertford and Ware edition of the paper, so I'm quite keen to get to know people.

Thanks

Laurel
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Mr Man on January 26, 2006, 04:55:28 pm
There was a window put through on an estate Merc this morning on the corner of Frampton Road and Coopers Road in Little Heath.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Grant Shapps MP on January 27, 2006, 07:43:30 pm
Hi all,

As previously flagged, I met today with Area Police Commander, Alison Roome-Gifford, with the specific purpose of highlighting concerns about the recent spate of break-ins and related problems in the village. I had already written to the Police Constable, Frank Whiteley, so the Area Commander was fully prepared.

This is the update...

First of all there have been 10 crimes reported since the beginning of this year. They break down as follows:


Now for what's happening...

The police are linking these burglaries and believe that the perpetrators may have been caught approximately a fortnight ago. If they are right then this may have led to the drop-off in incidents. Hopefully that does account for the burglaries, but I'm less confident that the car crime was related and note the incident on the corner of Frampton Road and Coopers Road in Little Heath yesterday.

I've pressed the police to say what they will do if the village does continue to experience break-ins in the near future and I'm pleased to say that they have promised me that they will put on additional patrols if this turns out to be the case.

I hope the information above brings some comfort, particularly if those responsible have indeed been apprehended (though not directly for these crimes). Any addition information on those car break-ins would be appreciated, particularly in view of the fact that the police only seemed to have one incident noted, but changes in reporting mean that each car would register as an additional incident.

Kind regards,
Grant Shapps MP

P.S. If you'd rather not post information about the car break-ins publically, then feel free to email me at: grant@shapps.com
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Cassie on January 27, 2006, 08:28:30 pm
Thank you for that up-date

The damage to vehicles was just before Christmas

http://www.brookmans.com/forum/index.php?topic=802.0
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: PC Jitu Davé on January 28, 2006, 06:32:07 pm
Dear Readers,

I propose to hold a meeting between myself and all the interested readers of this web site. The purpose of  the meeting would be to get together with a view to getting to know each other and have a constructive discussion about the local crime and community policing issues with the emphasis on preventing crime. This will give me an opportunity to explain things face to face rather than write about them in the forum as I am somewhat restricted in what I can write about on the website. 

If people are interested, then I will need  to know the number of people who are interested, and the  time and date which will be suitable to most people.

I shall also need help with the venue.

Any offers?

PC Jitu DAVE
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: James Bentall on January 28, 2006, 09:27:59 pm
Quote
Dear Readers,

I propose to hold a meeting between myself and all the interested readers of this web site. The purpose of  the meeting would be to get together with a view to getting to know each other and have a constructive discussion about the local crime and community policing issues with the emphasis on preventing crime. This will give me an opportunity to explain things face to face rather than write about them in the forum as I am somewhat restricted in what I can write about on the website. 

If people are interested, then I will need  to know the number of people who are interested, and the  time and date which will be suitable to most people.

I shall also need help with the venue.

Any offers?

PC Jitu DAVE

Meetings have been held by the Hatfield Community Team in the United Reformed Church before. I have IM'd you the telephone number of their bookings secretary if you would like to use that as a venue.

James
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: PC Jitu Davé on January 29, 2006, 07:13:25 pm
Thank you James for your reply. I am waiting to see the response to my posting. Once I have reasonable number of people showing interest in the meeting, I shall arrange one; hopefully sooner rather than later.
Regards.

PC Jitu DAVE
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Editor on January 29, 2006, 08:03:39 pm
Hi Jitu,

It might be best to go ahead and arrange it and then we can promote the meeting on the site to encourage people to turn up.

David
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Susan on January 29, 2006, 08:32:02 pm
I presume the meeting wouldn’t be solely for people who use the forum.

The majority of people in BP probably don’t use the forum (excellent though it is), and those that do often use it infrequently.

The forum is one way of publicising the meeting, but will it be publicised through conventional methods as well?

Sue
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: PC Jitu Davé on January 29, 2006, 08:51:39 pm
Hi Sue and everyone else,

The meeting will not be restrictive to forum users only. Therefore, can you all please pass on the message to the people of Brookmans Park that a meeting is being planned.

Can I have the name and telephone number of the bookings secretary for the URC?

Regards.

PC Jitu DAVE
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Editor on January 29, 2006, 09:38:18 pm

The forum is one way of publicising the meeting, but will it be publicised through conventional methods as well?

Sue


Hi Sue,

I am sure Laurel from the WHT (who is a forum member) will follow the story up for the local edition when a venue and time is announced.

David
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Laurel on January 30, 2006, 10:01:37 am
Hi there,

Thanks, Dave. I certainly will be publishing any info about the meeting in the paper too. I have been following the story.

I am intending to do something for this week about the meeting Grant had with the police, so I will mention the meeting in that.

Do we have any firm details about it yet? Otherwise, I will just go with what I've got for now. Then, when we have a place, date and time, I can put that in at a later date.

Thanks

Laurel
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: PC Jitu Davé on February 02, 2006, 05:53:42 pm
Dear readers,

You will be pleased to know that the much talked about meeting will take place at the United Reform Church, Bluebridge Road, Brookmans Park, on Tuesday 21st February 2006. I have hired the Church itself which has more capacity than the hall. The meeting will start at 8 pm and will finish at 10 pm.

The publicity of this meeting will be done through this website. as well as through Welwyn Hatfield Times. Today I met WHT reporter Laurel Smithson who has kindly agreed to publicise the event. The next edition of WHT will be on Wed 8 Feb. 2006.

The Neighbourhood Watch are also going to give this meeting publicity through their Newsletter which due out in about a week.

I am looking at other ways of publicity so that more people get to know about this meeting and take part in it. Please forward any suggestions to me. I would like to put on record that I am very encouraged by the positive response shown by everybody and their enthusiasm to do something for the community.

The total cost will be £28.50 plus the cost of tea and coffee. I shall request a small contribution from everyone attending to cover these costs.

Can I have a volunteer who is willing to take responsibility for bringing tea, coffee and milk please. The church will supply cups and saucers.

PC Jitu DAVE
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: John_fraser on February 02, 2006, 08:15:40 pm
The total cost will be £28.50 plus the cost of tea and coffee. I shall request a small contribution from everyone attending to cover these costs.
Am I missing something here? The meeting is a result of police failure. The police portion of the local tax has gone up by 45% I’ll attend the meeting, but I think I’ve paid more than enough already.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Bada Bing on February 03, 2006, 08:18:06 am
Am I missing something here? The meeting is a result of police failure. The police portion of the local tax has gone up by 45% I’ll attend the meeting, but I think I’ve paid more than enough already.

Fantastic....

I'll try to attend and will gladly contribute.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: ADM on February 03, 2006, 09:34:33 am
I'll contribute too.  But John's right.  The point of this meeting is (I presume) so that we can explain our concerns, and PC Jitu Dave can tell us all his problems.  This shouldn't need a special meeting.  This sort of dialogue should be part of the police role. 

I know police communication is extremely poor because I've tried to report an incident by telephone.  After 3 telephone calls, being passed round to phones which just rang and rang, an answerphone where I left messages (never received a reply) and talking to a call handler who refused to take a message but just kept putting me through to the same ringing phones/answerphones, I gave up.  The next time I didn't even bother.  I've considered taking the law into my own hands.  That way lies anarchy but frankly that's where we're headed anyway with the level of policing we get. 

If you're in any doubt that the police service (Iremember when it was a police force) is run by muppets, read this...

http://www.polfed.org/24_7_policing_report.pdf

And that's the view of officers on the beat (in the police station actually).  The only good news is, it's not just us, it's the whole country.  Maybe Jet was right.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Fiona on February 07, 2006, 11:04:19 am
Pay for a police meeting! Oh, that did make me laugh.
 
When I was working before children, if my company messed up and called a meeting at the request of the affected client we would never insult them by expecting them to pay!

So does the 45% hike not cover the cost of the meeting? And what about the tea and coffee? Someone has to provide it and then pay for it! Should we all take our own flasks!

Is this the thin end of the wedge and will we be charged for every question, every comment?

Seems to me, the police don't want this meeting. After all, its so much easier to collect the inflation-busting hikes every year from the residents of Welwyn Hatfield and not have to do face the people paying the money.

It also seems the police have forgotten why the meeting is taking place. Its because the police failed to respond promptly to repeated robberies and is being held at the request of concerned residents (of which I am one)  the police have let down. If the police cannot fund such an important meeting from their considerable coffers where does the money go? I would expect a community officer to have a petty cash allowance precisely for such things.

As I have young children only myself or my husband will be able to attend the meeting, but one of us will certainly be there.

Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: ottoD on February 07, 2006, 12:51:12 pm
We should invest in a couple of sets of stocks to be sited on the village green., Therefore, when we aprehend the villans ouselves, we can leave them there ready for the police to collect.......eventually. ;)
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Buster on February 07, 2006, 01:12:18 pm
I though the point of the meeting was to have a constructive discussion not to apportion blame and have a go at the local police.  The robberies have happened and we can't change that instead we need to find a way to work together - the police will not be in the village 24/7.

Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: PC Jitu Davé on February 07, 2006, 01:32:02 pm
May I clarify that the meeting is not organised by Hertfordshire Constabulary. I have arranged it as a local officer for the area to meet the local residents face to face and to discuss some of the issues.

The small charge, which is NOT compulsory, is the hall hire charge and  will help the Church.  

The Chief Constable of Hertfordshire Constabulary is better placed to address any wider issues regarding policies such as police response times and so forth.

PC Jitu DAVE
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: John_fraser on February 07, 2006, 03:26:12 pm
Quote
I have arranged it as a local officer for the area to meet the local residents face to face and to discuss some of the issues.

Exactly which issues are you unwilling to discuss

What I would like to get from the meeting is answers to the following:

If you are not able or not willing to answer these questions then please let me know now, because I can’t see any other reason for going. It would be very useful to have an agenda prior to the meeting.

(I think Fiona hit the nail on the head. When I invite my customers to a meeting I don’t ask them to pay for the hire of the room).
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Margaret on February 07, 2006, 03:34:35 pm
Why complain about the lack of support from the local police and then complain when our local policeman tries to do something about it. There is no way the police force or service can pay for the hall and why should our local policeman pay for it. It's our village and if we want something done to protect it, surely this is a good start and worth paying a small price for. As for the tea and coffee if paying for that is a problem then perhaps everybody should bring their own or just go without. Experience tells us that meetings remain friendlier and more productive if everybody has a cup of tea to hold!!!! So again a small price to pay. I will certainly try to be there.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: John_fraser on February 07, 2006, 03:46:50 pm
There is no way the police force or service can pay for the hall

Why not?
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: sasquartch on February 07, 2006, 04:29:08 pm
Quote
worth paying a small price for

Well actually I pay more than this through my Council Tax which I think John has already pointed out, has risen considerably in recent years.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Mermaid on February 08, 2006, 07:40:51 pm
Thank you to PC Jitu Dave for organising this meeting. My husband and I will be there and we are happy to contribute towards the hire of the church and a cup of tea.

Look forward to meeting you.

Mermaid
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: John_fraser on February 08, 2006, 11:45:35 pm
Personally I am pleased that PC Jitu Dave has organized a meeting, although I am now a little concerned that it’s objectives are not what I expected. I would very much like to know the agenda and what will not be discussed prior to going.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: southbury on February 09, 2006, 12:50:04 pm
I am hoping that the meeting will be devoid of personal and political agendas and also invidual egos. I am hoping that we can quickly agree that we have had and may continue to have a problem with security in the village as a result of both our location and the Herts Police not treating people like 'us' and 'our' issues as a priority. I say that as a matter of fact and not because I am whinging.

I am then hoping that once we have accepted that the Police will do nothing to address the situation we can move on and try and identify some realiasble solutions to prtocting our village and community; CCTV , Security Guards etc.

I know that our Community Charge is supposed to pay for our policing but Northaw Parish Council (with the co-opeartion of residents) has installed CCTV in Cuffley and it has made a difference. I am led to believe through friends that they realsied that whatever promises our assurances were made by the Police this was the only workable deterrent.

Any thoughts anyone ?
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Bada Bing on February 09, 2006, 09:19:39 pm
southbury, I agree with you. I don't want the meeting to turn into a purely negative moaning session at the Police ... I'm not sure what this would achieve. I for one would like to explore what practical measures we can do (with the support of the police and the local council) to make our village safer and reduce crime.

It would be nice to get some ideas and experiences from other communities on how they tackled these problems.

I'm not saying that this is right for Brookmans Park, but, a friend of mine lives in Moor Park in a similar area to Brookmans Park, they have installed automated cameras that record car registrations as you enter and leave via the main roads - in fact the display actually "welcomes you" to the area and displays your number plate & time. He tells me that this has been a great deterrent.

I quite like the idea of CCTV, but I would not know how to go about trying this out.

Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Editor on February 10, 2006, 11:42:18 am
Community police officer, Jitu Dave, is asking everyone to tell their neighbours about the crime meeting being held at the Brookmans Park URC on Tuesday, 21 February. He also wants anyone who is in the village shopping to encourage local shopkeepers to attend. More details (http://www.brookmans.com/news/february06/breakins6.shtml).
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: John_fraser on February 10, 2006, 01:15:22 pm
I don't think anyone wants to go to a meeting that is a “a purely negative moaning session at the Police.” I’m sure everyone has better ways to spend their evenings. I do feel that there are some very valid criticisms to be levelled at the police, but I am actually more interested in what can be done to improve the situation. However, unless what went wrong is understood it will be very difficult and expensive to make any improvement.

I don’t see that CCTV is a good answer. Someone has to pay for them to be installed and maintained and for them to be effective they will need to be monitored and responded to. Their effectiveness is questionable at best (http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs05/hors292.pdf):

Quote
Out of the 13 systems evaluated six showed a relatively substantial reduction in crime in the target area compared with the control area, but only two showed a statistically significant
reduction relative to the control, and in one of these cases the change could be explained by the presence of confounding variables. Crime increased in seven areas but this could not be attributed to CCTV. The findings in these seven areas were inconclusive as a range of variables could account for the changes in crime levels, including fluctuations in crime rates caused by seasonal, divisional and national trends and additional initiatives.

Little deters a premeditated crime like the chance of getting caught. A quick police response would be the best deterent.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Laurel on February 13, 2006, 09:24:17 am
Hi guys,

Just to say, with reference to the Welwyn & Hatfield Times publicising the meeting in the current website article, there is an article on page 11 of the current issue...

So, job done!

I might try to sneak in a 40 word reminder, if I'm allowed, for the issue just before it.

Otherwise I'll see you all there!

Laurel
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: PC Jitu Davé on February 13, 2006, 05:23:57 pm
Dear Readers,

This is what I had posted on 28th January 2006.

I propose to hold a meeting between myself and all the interested readers of this web site. The purpose of  the meeting would be to get together with a view to getting to know each other and have a constructive discussion about the local crime and community policing issues with the emphasis on preventing crime. This will give me an opportunity to explain things face to face rather than write about them in the forum as I am somewhat restricted in what I can write about on the website.  

Things have changed slightly since then. A number of local business people and other community members are also interested in attending the meeting. I am very much encouraged by this development.

However, the purpose of the meeting still remains the same. It will be an informal meeting in which we shall have a constructive discussion about the issues affecting the community. I hope that people will take part in the discussion.

The rough agenda will be as follows:

Crimes in Dec.2005 and Jan. 2006
Recent Crime update
Anti-social behaviour: info re measures taken for long term solution
Crime prevention measures
Input from the business community
Questions

Regards.

PS: I am still trying to deal with the issue of meeting the cost so no one has to make any contribution. I shall let you know as soon as I have some information.

PC Jitu DAVE

Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Laurel on February 15, 2006, 11:04:28 am


You will be pleased to know that the much talked about meeting will take place at the United Reform Church, Bluebridge Road, Brookmans Park, on Tuesday 21st February 2006. I have hired the Church itself which has more capacity than the hall. The meeting will start at 8 pm and will finish at 10 pm.


Some of us are going for drinks at the Brookmans Park Hotel after the crime meeting next Tuesday. If anyone would like to join us and walk over there, they are more than welcome!

Only an hour, but should be enough for one drinks to all get to know each other and out faces to posts.

Hopefully see some of you there!

Laurel  :)
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: boyo on February 15, 2006, 10:20:18 pm
great.....look forward to it.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: PC Jitu Davé on February 16, 2006, 03:33:18 pm
Dear Readers,

I am pleased to announce that the voluntary contribution to meet the cost of Church hire and tea/coffee is no longer required.

I wish to thank all those who had volunteered to make the contribution.

PC Jitu DAVE
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Editor on February 19, 2006, 10:16:50 am
The local community officer has set out the ground rules for how far people should go to defend themselves and their homes from intruders. The guidelines are issued following concern about the level of local crime. Click here for more details (http://www.brookmans.com/news/february06/breakins7.shtml) or, alternatively, click here (http://www.brookmans.com/neighbourhood/crime106.shtml) to read the latest neighbourhood watch newsletter containing the guidelines. A public meeting, called to discuss local crime, is being held at Brookmans Park URC on Tuesday 21 February at 8pm.

Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Mr Man on February 19, 2006, 11:07:33 am
SIX cars had windows smashed in Thornton/Frampton Roads last night. Police have been doing door to door.

It seems that nothing has been taken from ANY car, and they've literally just put a load of windows through.

This has become a serious problem round here. That's about 10 windows smashed this year. This is in addition to the car that was stolen from Frampton Road at Xmas.

I'll be at the meeting on Tuesday night, and I urge anyone who was thinking to give it a miss to go along too.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Aidan Winwood on February 20, 2006, 04:20:23 pm
Unfortunately due to work I am unexpectedly stuck in Belgium for the week.   >:(

Sorry I won't be able to make the drinks or the meeting.
Aidan
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Editor on February 21, 2006, 11:15:51 pm
Thanks to Bob Horrocks for his speedy delivery of his report on the meeting and photograph. Click here to read Bob's report. (http://www.brookmans.com/news/february06/breakins9.shtml)

Any forum members who attended the meeting can add their comments to this thread.

David
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Greybeard on February 22, 2006, 12:10:11 am
First of all, top marks to PC Dave for calling the meeting and standing up in front of all of us. Well done, I respect you for it.  :)

Through this thread I would like to ask our elected representatives, roughly how much does Brookmans Park pay for its policing?
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Peter Hastings on February 22, 2006, 08:28:39 am
I would also like to say well done to PC Dave for trying to do something. I think what came out of the meeting was firstly that he is probably frustrated at the lack of resources his end just as much as we are. Also he emphasised he is "only" a PC and goes where he is told. I wonder if he could tell us what the structure is within his force for him to relay back up the line the strength of feeling within the area. Accepting the limited resources, how is the decision made to give us extra patrols-higher profile?

The second point to come out of the meeting is that the police as a whole are not the answer. PC Dave was rightly keen to keep away from anything which might involve council action like CCTV cameras which must surely be one major element in a solution. We all need to increase local political pressure and if the local councillor says he has empty surgeries and small post bag we need to make sure that all changes fast.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Angel on February 22, 2006, 09:03:22 am
We all need to increase local political pressure and if the local councillor says he has empty surgeries and small post bag we need to make sure that all changes fast.

I spoke to Stephen Boulton last night and suggested he use the 'What's On' section of this forum to tell us where and when his surgeries will be held.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Editor on February 22, 2006, 09:18:29 am
For WHDC Cllr Stephen Boulton's details, click here (http://coins.welhat.gov.uk/member/30.asp) and for HCC Cllr Bill Storey's details, click here (http://www.hertsdirect.org/portal/eDemocracy/Members%20Directory/HCC/Members/w.storey).
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Mr Man on February 22, 2006, 09:40:36 am
Just a small point, but we no longer have a police force. They're now a police service, and we're just customers.


Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Buster on February 22, 2006, 01:12:54 pm
I would also like to thank PC Dave for organising last night - it was good to see so many people. 
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Ellie on February 22, 2006, 03:29:04 pm
A big WELL DONE to PC Dave for last night's meeting. I found it very interesting and I thought you handled it very professionally.

Thank you

Ellie
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: acharlton on February 22, 2006, 05:17:19 pm
I also applaud the actions of our  local PC.  Well done getting everyone together.  However, I felt that many of the frustrations, concerns and fears (real or otherwise) were left hanging in the room.

Our security seems to depend upon the good graces of the local councils, the district council, the local police forces, the regional police force, and ourselves.  With so many involved there is little surprise that no one actually will hold their hands up and accept responsibility for the situation we now find ourselves in. 

Actions are needed as well as words - actions born of a focused agenda - actions that we all commit to - actions that we will all be proud to deliver.

Let us:

•   Continue the momentum of yesterday.   
•   Pick out the key messages we want to deliver to the police, to the councils and to ourselves. 
•   Deliver our messages consistently, persistently and with integrity. 
•   Check that our representatives are escalating our messages.
•   See action

The future is ours to make of it what we will.  Let’s make it into something we love.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Peter Hastings on February 22, 2006, 06:07:19 pm
Thanks for putting the councillors' details up. Agree we need to keep it all going. Everyone at the meeting needs to do something more-chasing PC Dave and the councillors. What do we actually want?

I'd like to hear more about the cost and process of CCTV installation and the mention made of extra community support officers if we pay for them. Also what do we know about the kids causing the anti-social behaviour? Can they be identified and their families visited? Are they local or not? How much info can PC Dave give us on the investigation into the recent robberies.

If people want these things or other suggestions pursued they need to do it themselves/ PC Dave cannot do all this himself.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: John_fraser on February 22, 2006, 09:25:05 pm
Here are my thoughts on the meeting, in no particular order – apologies to those of you who dislike long posts:


So that’s it. I agree with acharlton although I’m not sure what the next step is. Possibly a petition requesting more frequent police patrols to go through the area, which we could present to TPTB.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: James Bentall on February 22, 2006, 09:54:29 pm
While PC Jitu is undoubtedly dedicated, we are not getting any extra cover. There are no more patrols. The reason for this is that we appear to be a low crime area. I suspect we have more crime than the Police know about, but only because too many people given up reporting incidents because they have called the police before, only to see them fail to respond adequately e.g. Neither PC Jitu not the councilor knew about drug dealings in Gobins or Bradmore Green.

So that’s it. I agree with acharlton although I’m not sure what the next step is.

PC Jitu did indicate last night that he did not know about some of the issues because none of the public had told him about them. Surely the next step is to make sure the police are very aware of everything going on that they should be aware of - not so vigilante, but surely their resources are going to be allocated to the number of calls etc that they get. The more people phone up and comment about anti social behaviour on the green, or about suspected drug dealings in Gobians, the more incidents that will be logged and the more resources the police will presumably push our way. I, like others have been in the situatino of ringing up the non emergency number to report anti social behaviour and giving up after half an hour as I'm still on hold, but I do now think that it would be more effective to percevere and wait until the call is answered and - therefore logged.

James
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Editor on February 22, 2006, 10:32:43 pm
Local councillor, Stephen Boulton, has mailed this site's feedback email address with details of his next surgery. I replied suggesting he adds them to the What's On diary and posts them in this thread.

David
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Peter Hastings on February 23, 2006, 08:09:11 am
If you look at the WHDC site and Mr Boulton's details it lists his next surgery as in June in Little Heath. I am sure that cannot be right??!! He did seem determined to help so I think everyone should turn up at the next surgery so he has some clout when he reports back to the council.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Greybeard on February 23, 2006, 10:26:40 am
This morning I have emailed Mr Storey asking, How much is Brookmans Park paying for its policing through the council tax?
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: southbury on February 23, 2006, 10:37:24 am
James,

The drug dealing in Gobions is not 'suspected' . It is fact. I have seen it happen and seen the evidence of it on the ground.

Last summer on my evening runs I challenged the children over it several times only to be told 'where to go'.

I am going to report each and every incident religiously this year.

rgds


Editor's Note: Edited for reasons posted below.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: JLC on February 23, 2006, 12:58:53 pm
Does anyone know if one can log non-urgent issues and cases of antisocial behaviour to the police by the internet?  ie Do the police have a website?  Or could brookmans.com act as a gateway to a specifically set up log which could then be reviewed by the police?

James
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Editor on February 23, 2006, 01:25:24 pm
 
Does anyone know if one can log non-urgent issues and cases of antisocial behaviour to the police by the internet?  ie Do the police have a website?  Or could brookmans.com act as a gateway to a specifically set up log which could then be reviewed by the police?

James

Hi James,

There is a link off the front page of this site to a page where you can do this. Click here for the page for reporting non-emergency crime  (https://www.online.police.uk/english/default.asp)

David
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Editor on February 23, 2006, 01:34:45 pm
James,

The drug dealing in Gobions is not 'suspected' . It is fact. I have seen it happen and seen the evidence of it on the ground.

Last summer on my evening runs I challenged the children over it several times only to be told 'where to go'.

I am going to report each and every incident religiously this year.

rgds


Editor's Note: Edited for reasons posted below.

Dear Southbury,

I have edited out your description of the school uniform the children were wearing because, as far as we know, they have not been arrested, tried and found guilty of the offence that you accuse them of.

It would be wrong to tarnish the reputation of a particular school or a group of people of a certain age and wearing a certain colour uniform based on the unproven behaviour of a few.

As you say, the right course of action would be to report it to the police and to the school concerned and let the relevant authorities deal with it.

David
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Editor on February 23, 2006, 01:54:28 pm

Hi James,

There is a link off the front page of this site to a page where you can do this. Click here for the page for reporting non-emergency crime  (https://www.online.police.uk/english/default.asp)

David


Hi James,

I've just tried to go through the process set out in that link and it's not much use I am afraid. I will try to find a better link.

David
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: John_fraser on February 23, 2006, 02:13:22 pm
"Not much use" is a bit of an understatement

If you chose:
 The crime is happening now
 The offender is still there or nearby

The site tells you to dial 999.

Chose anything else and the site tells you to contact your local police force, giving a link to another site. If you follow this link to Herfordshire you will get told to call 0845 33 00 222.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Editor on February 23, 2006, 02:53:50 pm
"Not much use" is a bit of an understatement

It sure is. However, I seem to remember that link provided forms in the past that you could fill in. Now all it seems to do it take you round in circles.

I noticed a police community liaison caravan in the London Colney shopping area car park today. There were no queues and nobody in it talking to the officers who were there to, according to a sign, talk about local policing issues. I bet they'd have a better response if they parked it on Bradmore Green. Might suggest that if it is still there at the weekend.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Editor on February 23, 2006, 03:21:31 pm
John,

I think I have just figured it out. The reporting crime page does work (click here to access it (https://www.online.police.uk/english/default.asp)), but you have to be careful what you click.

Keep clicking the next button which is on the right, and looks like this
(http://www.brookmans.com/next.GIF)

Eventually you should get to a page that allows you to fill in the details of the crime you are reporting.

David
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: John_fraser on February 23, 2006, 03:37:44 pm
There's nothing like a clear user interface to make things easy.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Bob Horrocks on February 23, 2006, 04:43:14 pm
The cost of policing Brookmans Park must be almost impossible to calculate.  What do you mean by policing?

The basic cost of a PC and a PCSO is reasonably easy to calculate, but what about the office accommodation, transport, and the back-up of other officers, school liaison officers, the on-cost of police HQ, traffic police etc which all forms part of the overall policing of the area.  Then you must deduct for the time that Jitu is off on other duties away from his normal territory.

In your Council Tax bill you will see a figure for policing the county, but the County Council and Welwyn Hatfield also pay something towards the total cost of policing.  The only bit of your Council Tax that does not contribute to policing is the Parish Council precept.  I do not have the paperwork which came with last year's Council Tax bill to see if the police gave a clear picture of their total financing.

The police are to meet the parish council next month to see if the parish council will part-fund a PCSO who would be dedicated to North Mymms parish.  The problem is that the parish council precept has already been fixed for 2006/7 so we cannot change the total figure.  There is no 'fat' in the budget that could be cut out to part-fund this PCSO, so it will be interesting to see what happens.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Peter Hastings on February 23, 2006, 08:37:08 pm
Would be very interested to see the figures for "part funded PCSO" which could be lined up for next year and anyway could still be funded in full by WHDC this year if they chose?

Would also still like to hear from Jitu how he reports back and how lots of reports of non-urgent matters to police impact on their decision making-is it really a case of if we make lots of noise we get more resources from someone else's patch?
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Greybeard on February 24, 2006, 07:49:24 am
What do you mean by policing?

I mean, what do people in Brookmans Park pay to the county police force in total? I agree that it's not one number written down somewhere on a piece of paper. All the more reason for us to be told what our total financial contribution to the county force is.

I appreciate we're paying for the police infrastructure. My question is, How much?

If we don't know, we don't know if we're getting value for money. Seems to me this number is key to any exercise of informed democracy in this area.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Editor on February 25, 2006, 08:08:31 am
If you look at the WHDC site and Mr Boulton's details it lists his next surgery as in June in Little Heath. I am sure that cannot be right??!! He did seem determined to help so I think everyone should turn up at the next surgery so he has some clout when he reports back to the council.

Hi Peter,

There are several WHDC councillors covering this area. Cllr Irene Dean's next surgery is at the Brookmans Park URC on Saturday, 18 March from 10.00am - 10.45am, so if anyone wants to continue the discussion about local crime, or any other local issue, they can turn up then.

To see all the local surgeries, click here (http://coins.welhat.gov.uk/member/default.asp) for a page listing all district councillors serving North Mymms. Then click on the name of the councillor. Then click on the 'Surgery Details' link at the top right of the page.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Editor on February 25, 2006, 09:28:11 am
I've emailed all our local councillors inviting them to put their surgery details in this site's What's On Diary. Until they do, I've put links to their current surgery times and copied them (below). These links are only good for 2006. Also, I suppose the details below could change, so best to continue to click on the councillor's name for the up-to-date list.

Surgeries for Stephen Boulton (http://coins.welhat.gov.uk/member/surgery/30.asp)
Little Heath Parish Hall, Thornton Road, Little Heath - 10.00 am - 10.45 am
17/06/2006
16/09/2006
16/12/2006

Surgeries for Irene Dean (http://coins.welhat.gov.uk/member/surgery/10.asp)
United Reformed Church, Brookmans Park - 10.00 am - 10.45 am
18/03/2006
20/05/2006
19/08/2006
18/11/2006

Surgeries for John Dean (http://coins.welhat.gov.uk/member/surgery/31.asp)
Newgate Street Village Hall, Newgate Street - 10.00 am - 10.45 am
15/04/2006
15/07/2006
21/10/2006

Surgeries for Keith Pieri (http://coins.welhat.gov.uk/member/surgery/23.asp)
Memorial Hall, Welham Green - 10.00 am - 10.45 am
04/03/2006
01/04/2006
06/05/2006
03/06/2006
01/07/2006
05/08/2006
02/09/2006
07/10/2006
04/11/2006
02/12/2006

Surgeries for Pat Storey (http://coins.welhat.gov.uk/member/surgery/24.asp)
Memorial Hall, Welham Green - 10.00 am - 10.45 am
04/03/2006
01/04/2006
06/05/2006
03/06/2006
01/07/2006
05/08/2006
02/09/2006
07/10/2006
04/11/2006
02/12/2006

I have also emailed the local councillors to invite them to register for the forum and engage in the debate about crime and other local issues.

The surgery details for local MP, Grant Shapps, can be found by clicking here (http://www.shapps.com/surgery).

I hope this helps. If anyone does attend a surgery and has anything to report following the meeting, please continue to post to this thread to keep everyone up-to-date.

Thanks

David
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Peter Hastings on February 25, 2006, 10:39:20 am
David thanks for sorting out the surgery times-it is all a bit confusing but I do believe there must be others like me who have never bothered before but should do.

Been in touch with Grant Shapps who is positive about the police investigation of the burglaries and seems to be trying to put pressure on the police at a high level. I have asked him to look at police response times since many people seemed dubious about Jitu's 6 minute figure given at the meeting (no reflection on him).

Thanks

Peter
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Editor on February 26, 2006, 07:44:02 am
Parish councillors are to meet officers from Hertfordshire Constabulary to discuss measures to combat crime in the area and the level of policing currently provided. One of the items on the agenda is whether the parish council will part-fund a Police Community Support Officer (PCSO) who would be dedicated to North Mymms parish. Click here for more details (http://www.brookmans.com/news/february06/breakins10.shtml).
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: PC Jitu Davé on February 26, 2006, 10:09:05 am
Dear Readers,

I wish to express my gratitude for all those people who attended the meeting and participated in it. I also wish to thank all those who wished to attend but were not able to for various reasons.

As a result of this meeting and your participation, people have become more aware of the local issues, and they are talking about it with a view to improvng things. I am glad to see that there is a desire to  do something positive rather than simply to complain.

Kind Regards.

PC Jitu DAVE
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: john.dean on February 26, 2006, 01:26:22 pm
Just for information the position with PCSOs is 2for1 if you fund one officer you will get two.Cuffley Northaw Parish are in the process of funding one PCSO the total cost would be £30,000 per ann but they will pay £15k.For this they will get 80% of the officers time from 10am-11pm dedicated to the parish,they are also funding a car but that's a detail.WHDC are funding 3 PCSOs and have the service of 6 and the County provide a further 9 in our District.
The Welwyn Hatfield web site has been re-launched and all Councillor details and times of surgeries are current.

John
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Ellie on February 26, 2006, 07:12:41 pm
Dear Cllr Dean,

Could you just explain whether that means that our local bobby will be getting any support from the PCSOs you refer to.

Thanks

Ellie
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Peter Hastings on February 26, 2006, 08:59:15 pm
Looks to me like the PCSOs mentioned are examples but dont cover Brookmans Park. Our parish council would have to agree to pay something for one or more for here. I would very much suggest this is done-can the WHDC give any help for the current year?
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: John_fraser on February 26, 2006, 10:35:38 pm
I am very surprised at people’s eagerness to pay even more tax. Currently 100% of the police are funded through compulsory taxes set at an ever increasing level by autocrats who’s accountability, given that no matter who we vote in the taxes rise, is at best only theoretical. Some think that a voluntary rise in taxes will help, but where is the logic here? Have taxes not gone up enough for police patrols to make frequent trips though the village? Do they really think the extra policeman (or two) will be enough? It would take five policemen to give 24x7 cover, so how much more in voluntary taxes are we expected to pay? And will our shiny new policemen really be ring fenced? Of course not! These police may stay in the area, but our existing cover will be cut. And I would bet that, when you look at the small print, these new bobbies can be pulled out of the area to cover “short term” shortages elsewhere. And I bet that, in practice, there is nothing particularly short about short term

After the extra police, what are we going to have to pay a little extra for next? Extra council tax to get our roads fixed in good time? A little more for full 24 hour local A&E and fire cover? 1p on petrol for an extra teacher and 2p on wine for the grass to be cut in the park?

My feeling is that we pay more than enough in tax to justify a few more visits by the local constabulary. Just a few more police cars seen passing though, particularly on a summer’s night; A few more police to turn up when people report trouble. That isn’t that expensive and will deal with trouble a lot better than CCTV.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Greybeard on February 27, 2006, 07:35:38 am
Yes, John, that's why I'vr asked our elected representatives how much money Brookmans Park is paying for its policing.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Peter Hastings on February 27, 2006, 08:39:02 am
I accept we do pay enough tax already, but in the short term the only way to get a few extra police cars passing through and a quicker response times is to take them from elsewhere in the area. Nationally we need pressure to make police more efficient and give priority to a local presence if that is what is needed but what do we want over the next couple of years-nothing?policing on the basis of who shouts loudest gets the resources? I really think if we want true extra policing we have to look at the cost/benefit and face the possibility of paying for it.

Also which problem are we addressing? It seems to me the burglaries require quicker response times and good investigation. More police on our ground would not have stopped them. CCTV cameras might have helped deter and detect.

On the other hand the local youth problem may well benefit from more local police presence and again CCTV would help with deterence and detection.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: sasquartch on February 27, 2006, 09:23:29 am
Got to say I'm completely in agreement with John Fraser.

It seems as a village we receive few services as it is, yet pay high council tax.

Nothing to do with policing I know, but if you compare the childrens facilities in BP with other less well off areas (even Welham Green) we get a very poor deal by comparison. That's just another example of how poorly served we are.

So as BP has paid so much council tax - I have no idea what people pay in Brookmans Ave etc but must be in the highest band - we should at least get some services in return.

Not sure what the immediate answer is, but we, as the voting public, need to make sure our councillors, Grant Shapps etc all know that as taxpayers we expect services in return.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Cassie on February 27, 2006, 09:56:15 am
Hear hear

Last year our Council Tax was £35 a week (£5 a day) and I really don't think we get value for money at all.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: John_fraser on February 27, 2006, 01:43:10 pm
I too would very much like to know how much we pay, but I doubt that TPTB will ever let such a contentious number as this get into the public domain.

The only thing that deters crime is the danger of getting caught. The sort of crimes we are talking about -  burglary, underage drinking, class C drug use, anti social behaviour – are a low priority and the police do not invest a great deal of energy investigating them. Therefore the only realistic way that the perpetrators will be caught is if they are caught in the act. These people know this and as a result they know that, with the limited police cover here, there is virtually no chance of being caught. More frequent patrols would change this equation and reduce the problem. CCTV won’t have this effect as it is very doubtful if the police will respond to TV images in a timely manner when they fail to do so to phone calls. In any case, CCTV could cover only a small part of the village and is easily defeated by the use of a hood.

I also doubt if PCSOs, who have no power of arrest, will be much of a deterrent. If you take the time to look at their powers and duties, you will see that almost all are not relevant to our needs. The wrong solution to this, and possibly any, problem.

Asking for more frequent patrols is not asking for other areas to be deprived of cover. What I am suggesting is just that we get sufficient cover to deal with real and present issues. We have paid for the cover and we are surly entitled to it. The police budget is continuing to rise and we are told that police numbers are increasing, so I don’t feel that asking for proper protection is trying to shout the loudest. In we pay for a PSCO for the short term we will be expected to pay for the long term.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: sasquartch on February 27, 2006, 02:14:07 pm
Quote
I also doubt if PCSOs, who have no power of arrest   

This is not really true as all citizens have powers of arrest for arrestable offences.

According to s.24(4) of the Police and Criminal Evidence Act (PACE), any person (call him `P') can arrest another person (call him `D', for `defendant') in the following circumstances :

P knows that an arrestable offence has (definitely) been committed, and has reasonable grounds to suspect that D committed it

P has reasonable grounds for suspecting that - at this moment - D is committing an arrestable offence

Obviously this can be a minefield given that the average person would be unlikely to know for sure which offences are arrestable, however I would expect that PCSO's would have training in this area.

Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: PC Jitu Davé on February 27, 2006, 04:42:10 pm
Dear Readers,

This is what S.24A of Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984 as amended by Serious and Organised Crime and Police Act 2005 states:

24A      Arrest without warrant: other persons
 
(1) A person other than a constable may arrest without a warrant-
 
     (a) anyone who is in the act of committing an indictable offence;
     (b) anyone whom he has reasonable grounds for suspecting to be committing an indictable offence.

      (2) Where an indictable offence has been committed, a person other than a constable may arrest without a warrant-
 
      (a) anyone who is guilty of the offence;
      (b) anyone whom he has reasonable grounds for suspecting to be guilty of it.

Notice the word indictable. It means the offences that can be tried at either the Magistrates Court or the Crown Court. These are more serious offences.

Summary offences are less serious offences and tried at Magistrates Courts only.

PCSOs come under 'persons other than a constable'.

PC Jitu DAVE


     
 
   
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: ADM on February 28, 2006, 09:25:09 am
So what's a summary offence and what's an indictable offence?

Is there a list somewhere that we can link to?
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Editor on February 28, 2006, 10:35:33 am
So what's a summary offence and what's an indictable offence?

Is there a list somewhere that we can link to?

Hi Andrew,

Try these from Wikipedia.

Summary Offence (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summary_offence)

Indictable Offence (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indictable_offence)

David
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: ADM on February 28, 2006, 12:18:23 pm
So rape and murder are serious and therefore indictable.  I suspected as much.

I was more interested in littering, public order offences, shoplifting, driving offences, parking offences, affray etc.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Editor on March 01, 2006, 07:59:04 am
Laurel Smithson, the Welwyn Hatfield Times reporter covering this area, has written a report on last week's crime meeting. It is published in today's edition. Click here to read Laurel's report. (http://www.whtimes.co.uk/content/whtimes/news/story.aspx?brand=WHTOnline&category=News&tBrand=herts24&tCategory=newswhtnew&itemid=WEED28%20Feb%202006%2011%3A50%3A05%3A923)

Bob Horrocks wrote a report for this site. Click here to read Bob's report (http://www.brookmans.com/news/february06/breakins9.shtml).

David
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: mungroo on March 02, 2006, 08:15:40 am
I've noticed a much larger police presence in PB over the last few weeks - in the station, in the High St and Darkes Lane. Last night I even saw a lone bobby standing on the corner of Darkes/Mutton Lane in the freezing cold at about 9:00pm. Not sure if they are cracking down on something specific or what.
I say "larger" but this implies that there was some degree of police presence to start with but in 10 years of living in PB I may have seen policemen on a handful of occasions so this is a welcome change and I hope it lasts.

I did notice that the police station has scaffolding around it - maybe it's also been done up inside in which case the police have to go some where else whilst the work is being carried out ?  ;D
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Peter Hastings on March 04, 2006, 11:48:15 am
Look I dont like paying any taxes at all but how else to you build the society you want. Naturally we pay more than a similar area in parts of Hatfield. I would guess the average property value is twice that of some similar sized areas in Hatfield and the average income is similarly greater. On the other hand poor areas of Hatfield will experience more crime. So it would be a great surprise if we needed all the police we actually pay for - we must end up subsidising other areas.

The question of funding and efficiency is one for the Herts Police Authority and at the same time they need to be very careful about plans to merge with Bedford or anywhere else-taking local policing further from local people and into the hands of a powerful few.

In the meantime, over the next year or so what are people suggesting we do? I think we either increase local security measures and real police presence which will cost something or we do nothing but moan in the hope the already stretched police area can give us a few extra patrols for a while. It is comforting to see the police about a bit more but it cannot last long-only until there is a mini crime wave somewhere else. I just want us to do something positive not just sit and bemoan our lot.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: mungroo on March 06, 2006, 08:21:44 am
anyone seen this ?
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-2071788,00.html
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Editor on March 10, 2006, 07:53:42 pm
Cllr Bob Horrocks has written a report about  the meeting this week between members of North Mymms Parish Council and representatives from Hertfordshire Counstabulary where the issue of a Police Community Support Officers was discussed. Click here for Bob's report (http://www.brookmans.com/news/march06/breakins11.shtml).
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: John_fraser on March 11, 2006, 08:54:35 pm
You may not be able to build the society you want without paying taxes, but paying taxes doesn’t guarantee you’ll get the society you want. I don’t object to a progressive tax system, where the better off pay more – although the council tax is actually regressive – I think you should take a look at the situation in Hatfield. The residents there aren’t any more impressed with the police and there response time than many of the residence of BP have been.

The sanity of the parish council is to be questioned if it is even considering spending 10% of its budget on this. The sane thing would be to bring what pressure they could onto the police to improve the service in the area, which is the one thing they don’t seem to consider. My far too many years of working for large multi-nationals taught me that the only thing used to measure someone’s importance is the size of the budget they control. Big budgets equates to “big beasts of the jungle” and I see no reason to think that the public sector is different. A council with 10% more money will see itself as more important.

We aren’t talking about a year or two of paying for this CSPO. If we start paying extra taxes for one now, we will be paying for one forever. And while the Chief Constable can’t take him away – at least until the next time the rules change – he can, and will, have our existing police cover cut further when the presence of the CSPO moves us even further down the priority list. Remember too that a CSPO is not a policeman and have a limited number of extra powers over a citizen. They are policing on the cheep. So pay now, pay forever and expect to be worse off.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Bob Horrocks on March 13, 2006, 12:06:06 pm
Interesting thoughts from John.  Here are some more of my own in response.

Be assured that your parish councillors are sane and sceptical. The meeting was to gain information about how to improve the policing of this parish. Uninformed decisions may not be the best. Your 8 Parish Councillors are spending (voluntary) time on how to improve the policing of this parish. This includes finding out what pressure can be applied to the police force.

How sad that a police Inspector has to go round with a begging bowl instead of doing what he was trained to do – police work.

The parish council is not a ‘big business’ and has no intention of being one. Scrooge would be proud of how it spends your money.  The Precept (what it gets as part of your Council Tax) has risen by only 40% in 11 years, from £117,670 in 1996/7 to £165,300 in 2006/7. It does not get any subsidy except that it does not pay VAT.

The bottom line is that £16,000 p.a. is the price for improved policing in the parish for the next two years.  After that, who knows?   I feel certain the parish council will not increase its budget by 10% for this expense.  Assuming the parish council decides it cannot afford this expense, the options are to do nothing or try to raise the money somehow. 

Just to set the ball rolling, how about one or more of our reputably wealthy residents decides that as a birthday present to sponsor a PCSO instead of a hippo or lion or whatever? The recipient of the present will see the result in person instead of just a photo of some distant animal.

Any better ideas?

The Parish Council will be holding its annual public meeting at 8pm on Thursday 30 March in the North Mymms Memorial Hall, Station Road.  It would be a good opportunity to discuss this and any other point you might wish to raise.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: John_fraser on March 13, 2006, 12:47:29 pm
I don’t doubt that the individual members are as sane – or probably saner - than me, but the committee?

From 1995 – 2005 inflation is 28.78%. So a rise of 40% is a substantial hike. I seem to remember that the parish council is responsible for the equipment in open spaces. If so, is there any reason why the equipment in Gobins is older than me? Or should someone offer to sponsor this too?

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Any better ideas?

Yes. Raise a petition and a fuss to get the police to respond faster and patrol more frequently.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Bob Horrocks on March 13, 2006, 05:12:04 pm
40% from 1996/7 to 2006 not 2005 compared with the well publicised 84% average increase in Council Tax nationally from 1997 and that is, I think, before this year's increase has been added.  Not bad.  In fact, pretty good.  Incidentally which inflation rate is 28.78%?  Gordon Brown keeps changing the basis of his inflation rate to suite his own purposes.

Also I fail to understand John's first sentence, but maybe I am being thick.  What committee?  I wrote about the full parish council.  And who are these members of a committee if not the individual members?

I would prefer to discuss play equipment elsewhere rather than sidetrack this thread on policing.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Peter Hastings on March 13, 2006, 07:28:38 pm
Interesting discussion John and Bob and luckily I agree with you both in part.

In the long term this is about policing efficiency and priorities. I have taken this up with Grant Shapps and understand he is trying to get answers. I am also asking the County Council to put pressure on the Herts Police Authority. (By the way I have also been on to the Police Authority about not merging.)

In the short term we are back to facing the fact that the local police cannot drum up more officers. They can move them here from elsewhere which is what they are doing. After that they will go elsewhere and we will be back where we were. A petition or a fuss might keep them here a little longer, but wait till they have a crime wave somewhere else. it will be back to Jitu again.

If we really want increased numbers in the short to mid term in our area, we are going to have to work out a way of paying for it. What are we looking at? about £3 per person for the year?

I know it sticks in the craw and the long term solution is as above but in the meantime we either pay up or put up with it.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Mr Green on March 13, 2006, 09:09:17 pm
PCSOs are there to reassure the public and pass intelligence back to the police. Perhaps you are reassured by a virtually powerless citizen, unable to engage in a confrontational exchange, untrained in law and lacking basic police powers of arrest.

Time was when police officers patrolled looking for incidents or criminals to deal with. Those days are long gone. Presently, police officers parading for duty inherit a list of unanswered calls from the previous shift. There is little value in PCSOs reporting incidents back to an already stretched police service unable to cope with demand.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: AgentOrange on March 14, 2006, 11:17:42 am
Hmmm. I guess we are all interested in reducing the level of crime in the village. But does paying for a PCSO do that? Probably not. The extra police patrols are welcome, but as others have noted, another crime wave elsewhere and well, they are gone. So what are the options?
I think there are two.
1) Change the way the police operates. A recent article in The Economist (I cannot link to it as it is subscription content) pointed out that new methods of policing reduced crime. By working with those who are 'particularly well infomed about local affairs', police were able to work out what really concerned local people - what are known as signal crimes - those that people believe whether crime is up (or down).  Whilst this improved perceptions of the crime rate in 13 out of 16 areas, in 5 out of 13 areas crime fell relative to a similar 'control' area - used for comparison purposes - 'with a particularly steep reduction in the number of burglaries'. Apparently the police assume that only they and the criminals know anything about crime. In the research they were stunned to find that locals knew for instance the registration numbers of all the vehicles that called at a drug dealers house. This approach (sponsored by the Home Office) should be known to Herts Police. The task for the politicians out there is to convince them to deploy it locally in the absence of other approaches whose limitations we all know.
2) Do it ourselves. No, not vigilante justice. There are enough able bodied citizens in this village for a small group of us to pull a shift for a few hours every evening on a regular basis - say once a month or a fortnight. Briefed by Jitu, equipped with mobile phones, we can do this ourselves should we so desire. I am willing to get involved. We all see a lot of criminal behaviour in this village from the petty, to the more serious. Rather than wait for the politicians or have to pay through  the nose for an ineffective resource, this offers a more credible alternative.

What do people think?

Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Lectricary on March 15, 2006, 02:09:09 pm
There is a very simple way to raise more money for local policing. Put a police check at the green at 15:30 and stop all the mothers who are talking on mobile phones while driving their Tonka Toys.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Alfred the Great on March 15, 2006, 09:43:51 pm
Nice one!  ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: John_fraser on March 16, 2006, 03:17:23 pm
AO’s suggestion has several issues: Mainly that the current problem is an inadequate response when incidents are reported and I can’t see that changing if we did this. One must also consider the potentially nasty incident that could occur if a group of civilians, frustrated and angered by the non-existent police response, decide to take steps to stop an incident.

Having said that, the idea has much merit in it – far more merit than the PSCO idea ever had. If enough people were to give up their time, it would give far more extensive and better coverage than a single PSCO ever could. If this was the consensus and the police were willing to give it some support, I think I would be willing to give up an evening once or twice a month.

Bob, The appalling rise of 84% in the council tax does not excuse the parish council’s 40% rise, which far outstrips inflation. Your caviller remark that it is “pretty good” show’s how detached from reality the people who endlessly raise our taxes have now become. Each year we are expected to find extra money, but services fail to improve and are frequently reduced.

While the sanity of individual members of the council is not in question, the council itself – or committee – is clearly far less than the sum of its parts.

I fully understand that the police have limited resources, but the resources of the people who fund the police – and various councils – are also limited. Unfortunately, we have to find the extra resources each and every year the police demand yet another higher than inflation increase. Like the police, these resources have to be diverted from elsewhere. Frequently, the elsewhere is the money we set aside for luxuries, such as paying for a pension.

Sending more frequent patrols trough the village should not cause a large burden on police resources. Nor should it cause any significant impact on other areas. If, as seems probably, a better police presence deterred crime and anti-social activity there would be a corresponding drop in call to the police. Calls which cause a diversion of resources when they are taken and when they are investigated. I suppose it all goes back to AO’s first point. The police need to use their resources more efficiently.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Peter Hastings on March 20, 2006, 11:55:17 am
I agree and have said the local issues we have are highlighting deficiencies in the way the police use whatever resources they have and I am very interested in AOs comments picked from the Economist.

we are still left though with the short-medium term while we wait for policitical pressure to bring changes.

I am interested in the idea of us setting up our own team and wonder if Jitu would help. Can we get an idea of how many people would actually commit to this. I suspect you would need a couple of people at a time patrolling. What times could realistically be covered? Even if strictly limited to observing and reporting this could be highly effective if well supported.

Having said AO I still think there may be an inconstitency in grumbling about paying out for a PCSO who would be in our area for 80% of the time permenantly (not subject to out of parish crime waves, unlike the recent extra patrols which will disappear) but still be prepared to do the job yourself.

Personally I would happily do both and still nag the powers that be so that police sort themselves out. It is only these recent incidents that have made me realise what a muddle they must be in.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: AgentOrange on March 20, 2006, 12:56:45 pm
The comparison between a PCSO and doing it ourselves is an interesting one (PF, note ourselves = many, not just me!). A PCSO will only work so many hours a day / per week and will need to get know the area, issues etc. He/she will also need annual leave, be sick on occasions, be called elsewhere. They are also an employee.

Ourselves - we live here, it is our village, we know far more than we realise about what goes on where (and by whom as well). We care because it is our quality of life (thats why police houses were built in the communities in which they served) that is reduced by crime. If we all acted together, with patrols, mobile phones (but not whilst driving) and observed what went on we could really make a difference.

The alternative as I have already said is that the police need to become better 'wired in' to the community with all the comings and goings that we witness and say nothing about because we fear wasting police time.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Editor on March 20, 2006, 01:00:54 pm
If we all acted together, with patrols, mobile phones (but not whilst driving) and observed what went on we could really make a difference.

Hi AgentOrange,

How do you envisage the legal process continuing after locals had 'observed what went on'?

David

Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: sasquartch on March 20, 2006, 01:30:23 pm
Hopefully the role of any PCSO-style involvement would be principally intelligence gathering, perhaps in the same way the a neighbourhood watch group would 'keep an eye on things'

If a crime was observed then the police should be called in the usual way, whilst gathering any information, eg car number plates, description of alleged perpetrators etc.

For reasons already discussed we should not try and replace any official agencies, ie Police or PCSO, rather just to make sure they have any information that would be useful to them.

I have no idea if Neighbourhood Watch areas are statistically less likely to suffer crime - it would be interesting to know if anyone has any official figures.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: AgentOrange on March 21, 2006, 10:20:18 am
One PCSO will not make a huge difference. Our social network and knowledge will. Research has shown that police and official agencies are notoriously bad at tapping in to these local networks. Thats why patrolling ourselves or getting the police to tap into these networks is so important (refer to my earlier post regarding Home Office research on this).

How does this work if we patrol ourselves? Well it depends on what is observed. A serious offence (such as breaking into a local shop or house) dial 999. A lesser offence (such as the problem with speeding down Pine Grove or Bluebridge Road), note details and pass it on to the police via PC Jitu or the non emergency number so that as PC Jitu says, a pattern of behaviour can be built up. Then action can be taken by official agencies. Other even smaller issues can be dealt with by a quiet word. A few years ago I moved on a bunch of teenagers who were pelting cars on an ice bound junction with snow balls, nearly causing an accident. A reminder that I carried a mobile phone and that I could call the police was sufficient.

However, for patrolling to be effective AND legal we would need advice from Hertfordshire Police. Maybe we could even rustle up a couple of flourescent jackets marked 'Village Patrol'.

On a related matter, it was a great suprise to see two policemen on foot (yes real police) patrolling in Pine Grove / The Drive area yesterday.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Editor on March 21, 2006, 11:35:33 am
Note: I will eventually merge this thread with the existing Local Crime and Community Policing thread, because I have a feeling it will eventually end up discussing the same issues.

David
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: PC Jitu Davé on March 21, 2006, 02:49:39 pm
Hi All,

All non-emergency incidents are to be reported using this telephone number:


0845 33 00 222

so that control room staff can create an incident log for record.

In emergency please dial 999.

I am in the process of publicising the non-emergency number through the local news paper.

PC Jitu DAVE
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: barnabus on March 22, 2006, 10:17:14 pm
Interesting discussion on local crime. Have a look at this link:

http://www.streetpastors.org.uk/

An effective solution in many places - what do you think?

Backs up what I was saying about christians rolling their sleeves up!

Barnabus
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Peter Hastings on March 23, 2006, 07:41:21 am
It sounds like we're looking at being a bit more pro-active than just a neighbourhood watch but it all sounds good to me AO-anyone else interested-its going to take some numbers.

Is anyone going to patrol at night? What times were the shop breakins? Would a PCSO patrol at night?
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Peter Hastings on March 23, 2006, 07:54:28 am
Hi David and thanks for that info. I have already raised this issue  ref local crime and also been on the WH forum and emailed Grant Schapps about it for two reasons-

1. This is all being rather sneaked through from the top based on effectiveness in dealing with terrorism and

2. One fairly clear conclusion from our discussions over local crime is that the police have their priorities wrong and are not using the money they get efficiently. I am not sure anyone at the meeting believed the statistics on response times and I suspect everyone felt as i did frustration that Jitu appears to get nothing like the support he would like to do the job he clearly believes in.

I am concerned that a merger will leave the local police less accountable to us and less sensitive to local needs. I think we have agreed that local crime which causes us far more daily heartache than a major terrorist incident is best dealt with by local police using local information. Ever larger and more expensive computer systems wont help.  By all means increase inter-force communication to avoid the Soham type mess up but ever larger forces with ever more powerful leaders for the sake of it I dont like. Which sort of copper would you trust-Jitu Dave or Ian Blair?
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Editor on March 24, 2006, 10:30:35 pm
The Hatfield-based National Neighbourhood Watch Association is to close at the end of this month. The organisation's website has a Q & A on the likely impact of the decision. Click here to read it (http://neighbourhoodwatch.net/news/?id=274&PHPSESSID=0d34a6c078d78cfd8c57f521987eee36). It says the day-to-day activities of local Neighbourhood Watch groups are unlikely to be affected. Click here  (http://www.brookmans.com/neighbourhood/index.shtml)for details of our local Neighbourhood Watch group.

David
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Bob Horrocks on March 28, 2006, 11:50:30 am
On 16 March John Fraser wrote
"Bob, The appalling rise of 84% in the council tax does not excuse the parish council’s 40% rise, which far outstrips inflation. Your caviller remark that it is “pretty good” show’s how detached from reality the people who endlessly raise our taxes have now become. Each year we are expected to find extra money, but services fail to improve and are frequently reduced."

In today's newspapers are reports that the average council tax has almost doubled since 1997.  I fail to see what is appalling about North Mymms Parish Council achieving a 40% increase in that time.  Credit where it is due please John!  Here is a challenge - at the local election in May 2007 why not stand for election and see if you can do better?
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: John_fraser on March 28, 2006, 12:24:59 pm
to keep this thread on topic, I've posted the reply here  (http://www.brookmans.com/forum/index.php?topic=891.new#new)
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Editor on April 03, 2006, 09:28:31 am
I have merged the thread started by Barnabus "Street Pastors - the answer to local crime? (http://www.brookmans.com/forum/index.php?topic=915.msg8639#msg8639) " with this existing thread in order to keep posts on the issue of local crime together.

David
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Greybeard on April 03, 2006, 09:31:57 am
I was trying to see how much we are paying for our policing. I didn't get an answer to my email to our county councillor using the link from here (maybe he didn't get it), so I've approached the Police Authority direct and I must say they've been very helpful.

I'd asked how much council tax was raised for the Police on the Brookmans Park beat. They replied

Unfortunately we do not hold the information required to calculate how much council tax is raised at beat level.  We do have information to enable us to calculate this at Parish Council Level.  For properties within the North Mymms Parish Council Area a total of £520,000 is expected to be raised from council tax during 2006/07.

I was astonished by this figure, so I asked

1. Are you referring to the total amount of council tax raised in that
area, or the amount of the council tax raised there that flows through to
you? (It's the latter number I'm interested in.)

2. What proportion of your income comes from council tax?


They have replied

I can confirm that the figure of £520k relates only to council tax for the
police authority. There will be additional amounts raised for the County
Council, the District Council and the Parish Council in your area.

With regard to your second question, 33% of the police authority's income
will be raised from Council Tax in 2006/07.

I have attached a copy of our budget fact sheet which may interest you, it
gives  some more detail as to how the budget was set and how it funded.


(Note, the fact sheet is a 2 1/2 page word document, maybe rather long to post here but obviously I'm more than happy to do so.)

Now I accept that they have an HQ to pay for, and that Hatfield's needs are greater than ours, so that we can hardly expect to have police officers patrolling the area whose salaries are equivalent to our contributions!

But is the policing in the Parish Council area acceptable in the light of these big numbers? I think not and I am concerned that I don't recall our elected representatives addressing this.

It seems to me we are conducting the debate so far on the Police Authority's terms. What do other residents think?
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Editor on April 03, 2006, 09:41:47 am

(Note, the fact sheet is a 2 1/2 page word document, maybe rather long to post here but obviously I'm more than happy to do so.)


Hi Greybeard,

You can add the document by clicking on the "Additional Options... " tab at the bottom of the 'reply' screen and then browsing to the document on your computer and uploading it.

David
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Greybeard on April 03, 2006, 11:11:54 pm
Thanks, David. Here (I hope) is the document the Police Authority. This information may be in the public domain already, but it will do no harm to have it available here.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Peter Hastings on April 04, 2006, 07:37:14 pm
That's really interesting information which i hadn't managed to get. Relating back to our local problems, i dont see any mention of anything which will deal with these in the notes to the new increased budget-like more help with local resources.

Also I would like to know what financial implications the proposed merger with Beds and possibly Essex would have.

Looking at my Council Tax bill, the Police Authority increase is 5%, the WHDC increase is 4.1% and that of the NMPC is 3.6% so maybe the Parish council shouldnt be catching all the flak it has.

More worryingly the police authority line seems to be basically the Government is reducing its contribution so we have no choice but to pay more in local taxes just to stay where we are??!
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Greybeard on April 05, 2006, 07:36:35 am
My simple take is, is our parish policing good value for all that money?
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: PC Jitu Davé on April 11, 2006, 04:31:04 pm
Hi All,

Just to update you a little regarding the progress on the issue of shutters for the Co-Op shop. I have contacted the Council who are willing to allow the Co-Op to put shutters of certain approved type on the outside of the shop. I am going to meet the area manager of the shop of the store soon with a view to discussing this so that they can have the shutters as soon a spossible.

Changing the subject, in the past some readers have talked about patrolling the area themselves. I would like to suggest that people interested in doing so consider consider joining the Special Constabulary. A Special Constable is a voluntary constable who is trained by the Constabulary. I look forward to your response to this suggestion.

PC Jitu DAVE
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Editor on April 11, 2006, 04:34:59 pm
I would like to suggest that people interested in doing so consider consider joining the Special Constabulary. A Special Constable is a voluntary constable who is trained by the Constabulary. I look forward to your response to this suggestion.

PC Jitu DAVE


Hi Jitu, there is a web page about Special Constables and how to become one on the Hertfordshire Constabulary site.  People interested can click here (http://www.herts-recruitment.police.uk/03_specials/index.htm) to access it.

David
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: PC Jitu Davé on April 11, 2006, 04:55:55 pm
Hi David,

Thanks for the information. Perhaps, the people interested in patrolling Brookmans Park might like to visit this web page.

PC Jitu DAVE
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Stevo on April 12, 2006, 04:24:16 pm
If you want anymore information on what work the Specials do and how to join then feel free to drop me a message using the Personal Message
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: sasquartch on April 12, 2006, 04:41:21 pm
Whilst I don't doubt that the work done by the 'specials' is highly valuable, I think the question originally was how could residents help protect their own community, ie Brookmans Park. I'm sure there are people who would be happy to patrol the area occasionally, acting as extra eyes and ears for the Police - but would not be able to commit to being a 'Special'
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: PC Jitu Davé on April 15, 2006, 11:01:08 am
Hi all,

The other option to be "acting as extra eyes and ears for the Police" is to be involved in the Neighbourhood Watch Scheme which has been running in many parts of Brookmans Park. This does not involve too much committment. It can be as simple as taking interest in the locality one lives in. People keep an eye out for each other and notice unusual activities such as the presence of a car that has not been seen before or someone acting suspiciously. People then report such incidents to police on; 0845 33 00 222.

Recently, in Peplins Way, someone reported two persons on a moped in the area acting suspiciously. Enquiries revealed that it was a stolen moped.

PC Jitu DAVE
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: John_fraser on April 19, 2006, 04:43:01 pm
So I take it that PC Jitu's comment has effectivly killed AO's idea. Nice to know that the police will support the community when the community trys to support the police.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Editor on April 19, 2006, 05:14:36 pm
I think it might make sense to put any Herts Constabulary crime reports and crime alerts in another thread. That way this local discussion thread doesn't get hijacked and general crime discussion topics don't get buried.

I'll start a new thread called something like 'Police crime reports' when the next relevant news releases are sent in.

David
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: PC Jitu Davé on April 20, 2006, 02:09:16 pm
Dear All,

I support the idea of people helping their community but it will be better if they did it properly for their safety and security. Hence the suggestion to join the Special Constabulary or being a part of the Neighbourhood Watch which is different from the Special Constabulary. I am quite happy to discuss this with anyone face to face.

Regards.

PC Jitu DAVE
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Editor on May 08, 2006, 05:22:27 pm
The latest Neighbourhood Watch Newsletter says discussions are underway about the possibility of a group being set up for Bradmore Green. The newsletter also contains a statement from Hetfordshire Constabulary about the proposed merger of forces. Click here for the newsletter. (http://www.brookmans.com/neighbourhood/crime206.shtml)

David
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Peter Hastings on May 09, 2006, 06:01:20 pm
Thank goodness the headlong rush to police merger has been slowed. I am sure the change of Home Sec will help since he has no reputation invested in this scheme and we can get back to local policing issues.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: John_fraser on May 10, 2006, 11:40:47 am
My personal opinion is that the police forces are already out of touch with the communities they are supposed to police and larger forces will make little or no difference as they could hardly become more remote. Senior police object to mergers mostly because they see their own little empires being subsumed. But given this government’s hard won reputation for gross incompetence, I have little doubt that the mergers will lead to more waste, greater cost and ever more ineffectual policing. So hopefully you are right and the rush will be stopped.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: PC Jitu Davé on June 06, 2006, 09:38:02 am
Dear Readers,

Please be aware that cars parked in supermarket car parks are being targetted by criminals to steal laptop computers, digital cameras and computer equipments. Tesco and Sainsbury's car parks in Oldings Corner, Hatfield and Stevenage have been named but you should be conscious about all car parks. The fact that criminals still find valuables in cars proves that people are still not helping themselves and the police to prevent crime. No valuable property should be left on back seats of unattended cars.

Regards.

PC Jitu DAVE
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: PC Jitu Davé on July 21, 2006, 05:02:28 pm
Dear Readers,

Just a reminder to be mindful about crime prevention. Due to hot weather people tend to leave their windows and doors open. Please ensure that there is someone in the house when this is done. Remember to shut them afterwards.

Also, remember to remove your satnav systems from the car when unattended. Two of them were stolen between 1 June and 20 July 2006.

Regards.

PC Jitu Dave
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Peter Hastings on August 18, 2006, 04:21:27 pm
Heard today about a community in Manchester who operate a text crime prevention system. anyone sees or hears anything they text the control and they text blanket to everyone. Everyone home then runs outside to see what they can see and hey presto crime has been reduced by 60%!!  sounds a lot better than our self made home patrol idea and cant be too hard for the police to set up and monitor?
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: John_fraser on August 18, 2006, 04:32:16 pm
I heard of one area where, when the residents observe a crime, they phone the police. The police then promptly send round a car and try to apprehend the perpetrator in the act, thereby gathering evidence and improving the odds of a conviction. Apparently the police there also deter crime by sending frequent random patrols through the area.

Not sure where that area was, but I think it was a very long way from here.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Peter Hastings on August 18, 2006, 11:09:36 pm
Nicely put John. Question is what do us fantasists do about it?
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: PC Jitu Davé on September 01, 2006, 07:10:25 pm
Dear All,

I have come to know that a person or persons possibly of Iranian origin have visited addresses in Brookmans Park area asking people to donate money. Apparantely, they sound genuine. That may be the case, but I would advise people not to entertain such requests and certainly not give them any of your details such as your bank details, debit or credit card details or telephone numbers. We do not know or may not be able to find out to what use the donated money is put. I would , therefore, urge people to be very careful and not fall for the sob stories.

PC Jitu Davé
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: David Noble on September 08, 2006, 12:54:00 pm
I'm a new resident of Brookmans Park and have a young family. I would like to ensure that Brookmans Park remains a safe enviroment for everyone and would like residents thoughts in having our own security patrols. If spread throughout the community the cost per head is relatively small but the benefits huge. In addition the servce could be extended to a unique keyholding service that provides an incredible amount of value including such things a contractor vetting and housechecks. A friend of mine has introduced a similar scheme in Hadley Wood and it has cut aggravated burglary down to nil in the homes that subscribe to the scheme. 

Your thoughts would be appreciated.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: sasquartch on September 08, 2006, 01:10:15 pm
The idea of having additional PCSO presence (that we would pay for) has been discussed recently and after the Parish Council surveyed the area it has been decided not to proceed.

Are you suggesting private security guards ? Different to PCSO's I know but similar in that they are a visual deterrent.

Several people have suggested that if well off communities fund their own security all it will mean is that the police (who we pay proportionately more for) will do even less than at present.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Editor on September 08, 2006, 01:56:24 pm
Hi David,

Welcome to the forum. I have merged your posts with an existing thread on local crime and community police because it has also touched on these issues.

David
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: David Noble on September 08, 2006, 02:10:42 pm
Yes I mean a private security firm that we all pay for.  I have a few ideas though as to how this could be self-funded and could duplicate the model here but it would need the support of the community. I believe that we all must take responsibilty for our own family's safety. I would rather be pro-active in this respect rather than rely exlusively on a body, namely the police, that will continue to be under resourced.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: John_fraser on September 08, 2006, 02:44:23 pm
David (Noble)

Perhaps it might be a good idea to detail how such a thing could be "self-funded". I'm sure if you sent them as an artical  to Dave (Brewer) he would be willing to on the front page of this site.

John
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: David Noble on September 08, 2006, 02:48:32 pm
Ok I will put something together.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Editor on September 08, 2006, 03:21:16 pm
David (Noble)

Perhaps it might be a good idea to detail how such a thing could be "self-funded". I'm sure if you sent them as an artical to Dave (Brewer) he would be willing to on the front page of this site.

John

Good idea John,

David, if you want to write something and mail it to me by using the forum form (click here (http://www.brookmans.com/contact.php)) that would be great.

Thanks

David
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: LongTallSally on September 08, 2006, 04:41:38 pm
Hello David. Welcome to Brookmans Park.

I am very interested in how this would be self-funded, but aren't we letting the police off the hook?
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Bob Horrocks on September 08, 2006, 05:36:01 pm
Just a reminder that the Parish Council surveyed the 3,600 households in North Mymms parish in June/July.  The issue was whether people would be willing to pay in total about £16,000 a year for two years to fund a PCSO.  The police would fund the other half of the cost.  This would have been collected as part of your council tax and equalled about £8 a year for the highest council tax payers, less for lower tax band payers. 

The result was that 18% replied and only 339 said they would agree to this, less than 10% of households, so the idea was dropped.

This is not to say a private security arrangement would not work, of course.  But many said that they already pay enough for policing the area.

Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Peter Hastings on September 08, 2006, 07:08:25 pm
As I made clear in the debate over the PCSO I have some sympathy with David Noble's attitude that we either put up with the policing we are given or try to improve our local situation even if it does cost money. However, the idea that we should pay more does have problems- I mean firstly why should we? Our area probably contributes plenty in taxes to justify the expenditure on local policing we want.

Also although I had some messages from a guy in Kings Cross who said the local youth problems had been drastically reduced by lots of new PCSO's so they can work , they didnt have to pay towards the costs.

Also, the PCSO I saw recently in Brookmans Avenue was stuck between all the builders vans in his shiny PCSO police car-surely they should be dropped off in the morning and left to walk about the village all day-the ones in Kings Cross clearly got involved, as did Jitu of course.

Finally according to the new Policing Plan, they are planning to increase the number of PCSOs pretty dramatically anyway so why cant we have one or two "free".

My worry on all this as with any top-down change is it will take a couple of years. meantime do we want to do somethign or just sit and grumble? More info please David.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Peter Hastings on September 15, 2006, 04:48:47 am
Do we know who Jitu' replacement is yet?
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Editor on September 15, 2006, 05:59:47 am
Do we know who Jitu' replacement is yet?

Hi Peter,

Jitu tells me it is PC Joanne Wakelen. I am waiting for an official announcement and intend to put a biog and photo on the site. Jitu has already been telling Joanne about the forum and I am hoping she will sign up and join in the local discussion about crime and policing in the area.

David
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Peter Hastings on September 15, 2006, 07:31:56 pm
thanks David.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: mungroo on September 28, 2006, 06:29:09 pm
any idea when/if PC Joanne Wakelen is going to join the forum ?
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: PC Jitu Davé on October 10, 2006, 11:16:08 am
Dear all,

I have some good news regarding the Co-Op shop. The work on new shutters will start this Friday.

PC Wakelen is away until 17th. When she returns, I will advise her to contact David.

I hope things are fine in Brookmans PArk.

Regards.

PC Jitu DAVÉ
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Editor on October 10, 2006, 11:48:54 am
Hi Jitu,

Nice to hear from you. Thanks for the update.

I hope the new job is going well.

David
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Editor on October 19, 2006, 10:14:59 pm
Welcome to PC Jo Wakelen who has just taken over this patch from Jitu Davé, who moved on last month. We have set Jo up with a forum account so that she can contribute to discussions about local crime, or other police business in the area.

Jo has recently produced her first neighbourhood watch newsletter in her role as the new community PC.  Click here (http://www.brookmans.com/neighbourhood/crime306.shtml) to read it.

David
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Peter Hastings on October 20, 2006, 06:12:31 pm
Yes welcome Jo. Hope to see you about a lot.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Mermaid on October 20, 2006, 08:27:12 pm

Hello Jo, welcome to the community, it's good to see you on the website.

 :)
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: PC Jo Wakelen on October 21, 2006, 06:10:19 pm
Hello Jo, welcome to the community, it's good to see you on the website.

 :)
Quote

Many thanks for your welcome to both Brookmans Park and it's website.  It's much appreciated.
If you do have any problems or issues you would like me to deal with or give advice on then please don not hesitate to use this portal to contact me.

Again thank you for the welcome.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Editor on October 24, 2006, 09:59:40 pm
A couple of security warnings from Herts Constabulary....

October 24, 2006
MAKE SURE YOUR HOME IS SECURE
By Corporate Communication Dept


POLICE are reminding householders to secure their UPVC doors properly following a number of burglaries in Watford.

The doors involved are modern UPVC double glazed doors with multi-point locking systems. These systems have at least one bolt that engages with the keep in the frame, which helps to secure against intrusion.

By shutting them and lifting up the door handle, residents have been assuming the door is locked. However, only by locking with a key can they be sure the door is fully secure.

Area Crime Unit Detective Inspector Michael Trotman said: “Always use the key and double lock the door. It is important that UVPC doors are kept double locked even at night, by deadlocking. If you fail to do so, your door can be vulnerable. However, if householders decide to remove their keys, they must have a fire escape route planned.

“It’s a simple precaution that can help prevent your home being burgled.”

Hertfordshire Constabulary advises residents to:

- Always use the key – and double-lock the door.
- Use a letter cage on your letterbox for additional reassurance.
- It is important that UVPC doors are kept double locked even at night, by deadlocking.

If you have any information regarding the burglaries please call in the Western Area Crime Unit on 01923 472490 or 0845 33 00 222.

October 23, 2006
FOLLOW THE FIVE-STEP PLAN FOR HOME SAFETY THIS WINTER
By Corporate Communication Dept


THE CLOCKS are going back this weekend, and Hertfordshire Constabulary is urging local residents to be extra vigilant in the next few months by ensuring their homes are safe when the dark evenings are drawing in.

Hertfordshire sees an increase in burglaries every autumn/winter due to home-owners leaving their homes in darkness, attracting burglars. Having a light come on inside your home as it begins to get dark can significantly reduce the risk of it being targeted and police are encouraging residents to use timer switches for lights as well as TVs and radios etc.

County Crime Reduction Officer, Andy Reynolds, said: “It has been found that using inexpensive timer switches can greatly reduce the chance of you home being broken into.

“Fitting the switches to lights and radios and setting them to come on at the time it begins to get dark can give the impression to a burglar that someone is home.”

Hertfordshire Constabulary has devised a five-step plan to clamp down on burglary to ensure that home-owners are safe this winter:


1. Make sure ALL doors and windows are shut and secure when you leave the house.

2. Make sure your doors are fitted with appropriate locks and that they are double locked at night.

3. Use a UV pen to mark your property with your postcode and house number, making it easier for police to return to you.

4. Valuables are attractive to burglars if kept in sight through doors or windows – make sure yours are not visible.

5. Make house alarms visible to burglars.


For further home security advice, contact your local crime prevention officer on 0845 33 00 222.

Timer switches can be bought from most DIY and electrical stores. Consider using economy switces to save yourself money.
 



 
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: PC Jitu Davé on October 31, 2006, 09:53:20 am
Dear all,

Please be aware of the following scam.

There is a current mobile phone scam circulating.

If you receive a phone call on your mobile from any person, saying that, he or she is a company engineer, or telling that they're checking your mobile line, and you have to press #90 or #09 or any other number. END this call immediately without pressing any numbers. There is a fraud company using a device that once you press #90 or #09 they can access your "SIM" card and make calls at your expense.

Regards.

Jitu DAVÉ


Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: John_fraser on October 31, 2006, 10:32:23 am
A bit of a dead granny

www.snopes.com (http://www.snopes.com/fraud/telephone/jailcall.asp)

Quote
Is this scam possible? Technically, yes. This trick can work on businesses, hospitals, government agencies, and other organizations that use telephone private branch exchanges (PBXs) to Telephone handle their calls (provided that pressing '9' is the signal to obtain an outside line, andthere are no restrictions placed on outgoing calls...

there is practically no chance that the scam outlined above could affect the average residential or cell phone customer.

But it is a very bad idea to what a cold caller asks you to, whatever the reason. Unless you have a good reason to trust them, don't.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Editor on November 09, 2006, 08:27:27 pm
UPVC door warning from Herts police.

November 9, 2006
IS YOUR FRONT DOOR UPVC?
By Susie ODea


IS YOUR front door UPVC? If it is, you may be unaware that it’s not enough to simply close the door and believe it’s fully locked.

In order to fully engage the locking system, always make sure you use the key to double lock it. This applies when you leave the house OR when you lock up for the night before you go to bed.

In many cases of burglary, it is possible that all burglars have to do is reach through the letter box and open the door from the inside. In many cases, the residents are asleep upstairs while their property is being stolen.

Pushing the handle up once you’ve closed the door is not enough. Because UPVC doors do not have a chubb-style lock, lifting up the handle once the door is closed does NOT double lock the door – but you may need to lift the handle up in order to complete the double lock. If in doubt, contact the manufacturers for more information.

Whether you share a house with family or friends, please make sure you make everyone aware that from now on, the front door will be double locked – and that they MUST double lock up themselves.

Also be aware of general crime prevention advice. Burglars are often opportunistic and will hone in on an unlocked back door or open window. Don’t make it easy for them.

For more information about crime prevention, go to www.herts.police.uk.
 
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Editor on December 12, 2006, 09:33:57 pm
Police say there has been a significant fall in the numbers of house burglaries in Welwyn Hatfield over the year -- down by more that 35%. Click here  (http://www.brookmans.com/news/december06/burglary2006.shtml) for more details.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Bob Horrocks on December 13, 2006, 09:55:47 am
It is all very well the police doing their job and arresting more villians, but what happens then?  A slap on the wrist and only if the ASBO, or whatever, is breached 50 times will the court system actually punish the criminal. 


I feel sorry for the police.

Happy Christmas!
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Neville Hobbs on December 13, 2006, 06:36:38 pm
If you are going to double lock the front door at night to keep out burglars, make sure that you leave the key in the lock just in case there is a fire at night. Check that a hand through the letterbox cant reach the key!
Just a thought.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Gestapo on December 15, 2006, 07:41:04 pm
If you are going to double lock the front door at night to keep out burglars, make sure that you leave the key in the lock just in case there is a fire at night. Check that a hand through the letterbox cant reach the key!
Just a thought.

May I suggest you DONT leave the key in the lock but take it with you so it is close to hand if you need it during the night.

Leaving a key in the lock will probably invalitdate your insurance if you are burgled.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: John_fraser on December 15, 2006, 08:58:07 pm
It is all very well the police doing their job and arresting more villians, but what happens then?  A slap on the wrist and only if the ASBO, or whatever, is breached 50 times will the court system actually punish the criminal. 
How comes the jails are full?
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: barnabus on December 16, 2006, 11:31:04 am
Quote
How comes the jails are full?

Do you really want to know John?

Barnabus

[Edited to fix broken quote tag - John Fraser]
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Max on December 17, 2006, 09:53:59 am
I for one would love to know.

Do tell, Barnabus.

Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Neville Hobbs on December 17, 2006, 12:16:16 pm
Gestapo,

I  think that if I awoke in a panic because the house was on fire and needed to run out of the house immediately, I might just forget to take the key with me. Also, if I have children or guests staying, I would want them to be able to exit the house effortlessly.
Personally, I object to living my life according to insurance company rules. The key would be on the inside and not the outside of the door.
Just imaging hearing a noise downstairs, going down to investigate and meeting an intruder who trapped you by the front door which wont open as the key is not in the lock! Scarey!
Plastic doors can be opened quite quicky by a burglar with a blowlamp!
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Gestapo on December 19, 2006, 12:25:02 am
It would still be more secure NOT to leave keys in doors or anywhere near a door.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Birch on December 23, 2006, 10:07:39 pm
Thought I might just mention a group of teenagers/vandals in Welham Green tonight masquerading as carol singers (sic) called at my door which I didn't open - it's more like demanding money with menaces.  Anyhow, just to let you know that they pulled up my garden lights and chucked them around my front garden and broke them. Nice. So just a warning to let others know to be on the watch out for these or similar vandals.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Editor on January 19, 2007, 05:41:19 pm
Brookmans Park, Little Heath and Welham Green now have two dedicated Police Community Support Officers.

Both have already started introducing themselves to local shopkeepers and community groups.

Click here (http://www.brookmans.com/news/january07/pcso2.shtml) for more information.

Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: John_fraser on January 19, 2007, 05:50:35 pm
It is now very much in the police’s interest not to provide us with any additional cover, because if they did it would send the message to other communities given such an offer that if they reject it they could get some proper police. I wouldn’t be too surprised to find the cover reduced further over the next few years and the same offer to be tabled again.

Anyone brought the condiments? Seems I have to eat my words  :-[
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Peter Hastings on January 19, 2007, 08:03:08 pm
Good to see the extra support. I believe PCSOs can do a job-heard very good things about those in Kings Cross. Not a job where you can pose around in your car though so welcome to Steve and Andrew and hope to meet you out on the street soon.

Not sure you were that far off John-the pay for your own PCSO offer has been made again but there is not much point the Parish Council considering it for a few years given the public response last time. If it were accepted we could have more PCSOs!! But who knows if we would have got any extra if we had agreed to pay for the first ones?

The Police Plan does include substantial increase in PCSOs throughout the area.

This of course is not the same as police officers but I think the Police would say it is their way of dealing with the limits on their budget imposed from above. I have no idea if our county manage their budget efficiently or not but no doubt they would say they do.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Editor on January 23, 2007, 08:56:02 pm
Just in from Herts Police.

January 23, 2007
DON’T FALL PREY TO ROGUE TRADERS AFTER WINDY WEATHER
By Corporate Communication Dept


POLICE are warning residents of Hertfordshire to be on their guard against opportunist rogue traders and distraction burglars in the aftermath of last week’s storm.

Across the county many people suffered damage to their properties and gardens during the gale-force winds which hit the area last Thursday, January 18. Police are now urging residents to be extra vigilant with doorstep callers and sellers who may not be offering bona fide work.

Detective Sergeant Shane Roberts heads up the police unit which investigates rogue trading and distraction burglaries. He said: “Following the horrendous weather which struck across the UK last week many people have suffered damage to their homes which will need repairing.

“You may need tradespeople to carry out work for you but you should be extra vigilant with doorstep sellers offering to do repairs. Our experience is that a large number of people who call at the door unannounced are conmen looking to exploit others – they conduct very poor and substandard work whilst charging extortionate prices.

“Remember, be very wary about buying from the door. Speak to a family member or close friend before you agree to any work being done. It is better to seek out a tradesperson yourself, on recommendation by someone you know if possible, and to agree a price before the work starts.”

He added: “If you believe that you have been ‘cold called’ do try to take a registration number of any vehicle they are using and any company name they are purporting to be working for. Report these details to the police on 0845 33 00 222.”

There have been no reports to police of this type of rogue trading to date but if anyone now has concerns about someone who has carried out work for them recently, phone the police non emergency number on 0845 33 00 222 or Hertfordshire Trading Standards on 08454 040506.

If you have concerns about any stranger calling at your door, call the police or trading standards. In an emergency dial 999. And if you have any information about rogue traders you can also call Crimestoppers in confidence on 0800 555 111.

.../end of police news release.
 
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: bootneck on January 25, 2007, 12:49:38 pm
For the last few weeks It has been noticeable how many HGV's break the law in using Welham Green as a short cut. There is a 7.5 ton limit on this road (Dixons hill) and as far as I can see the police are uaware of this breach. Can someone please do something now before a child or person comes to grief.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: daisy on February 07, 2007, 06:56:14 pm

Today someone I know had their car stolen from off their driveway while they were out of the car scraping ice off the windows. Be careful that you do not leave your car running with doors open while you scrape ice off the car.   
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: barnabus on February 07, 2007, 10:46:59 pm
Not sure this should be on this thread but we fill a kettle with hot water and pour it over the windows of our car on frosty mornings - works a treat - and saves lots of hard work. Sorry to hear of your friends loss I hope it turns up soon.

Barnabus
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: PC Jo Wakelen on April 05, 2007, 09:20:38 am
Hi folks,

I have been reading this thread and thought I would give you an update.  Brookmans Park have one dedicated Police Officer which is myself and one PCSO who is Steve Harvey and I'm sure many of you have either met or seen us out and about.

However, we are part of the rural team and when we are not around PC Dave Wardell, PC Alex Kettle and PCSO's Mark Randall and Kelly Hanley also cover the area.  These other officers do have their own dedicated areas, but if one of us is off or not on duty for any reason then the others make sure the areas are all patrolled.  As to whether we would get another PCSO for the area is doubtful, but never say never.

I hope this information reassures the community that even if myself and Steve are not about other officers will be.

Thanks
Jo
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Peter Hastings on April 05, 2007, 06:29:01 pm
Went to the launch of the Herts Policing Plan for the coming year last week. Great acknowledgement of the importance of local policing and what they call the reassurance gap between the fact of low crime and the high fear of crime.

The plan involves Safer Neighbourhood teams which i presume is what Jo has kindly described for us.

There is also talk of a Safer Neighbourhood Panel-people who would inform and have some input on how local policing is carried out. Not been able to find out who what or where our Panel is though. Can anyone (JO?) tell me the answer?

The number of PCSOs is still rising. Whatever people may think, that is the way policing is going and I welcome an increase.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: kay barnes on April 05, 2007, 06:46:17 pm
The latest Neighbourhood Watch newsletter says house burglaries are on the increase.  Police also report an increase in bogus tradesmen calling door to door and preying on the elderly.  And police say some parents are failing to deal with what officers call 'nuisance youths' forcing the police to act as expensive child minders.  Any thoughts on local policing issues?  The latest newsletter is now online.  Click Here. (http://www.brookmans.com/neighbourhood/index.shtml)
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Editor on April 17, 2007, 06:44:38 am
Police say crime fell by 7.2% over the past year, with 718 fewer incidents that in the previous year. Click here  (http://www.brookmans.com/news/april07/crimefigures.shtml) for more details.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Editor on July 22, 2007, 11:21:36 am
Police say that recorded crime in Hertfordshire fell in the last year with ‘significant reductions’ in burglary and vehicle crime. More details (http://www.brookmans.com/news/july07/annualcrimefigures.shtml).
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Editor on September 25, 2007, 02:25:16 pm
The local neighbourhood watch team needs a volunteer to act as area coordinator for the Bradmore Way and Peplins Way area. Click here (http://www.brookmans.com/news/september07/neighbourhoodwatch.shtml) for more details.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Albert Ross on October 01, 2007, 01:42:18 pm
Shame about the two burglaries in Westland Drive last week. That will increase the Police figures a little. Anybody got any news on suspects?
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: PC Jo Wakelen on October 20, 2007, 09:36:43 am
Hi folks,
Over the past couple of days Brookmans Park has been hit by burglaries and attempted burglaries.
Please can people be very vigilant.  If you see any suspicious vehicles or persons in the area, please contact us immediately.

If your neighbours are away could you please keep an eye on their property as well.

It appears that the people committing these burglaries are coming in by vehicle from the south London area.

Once again to contact us please dial 999 in the case of an emergency and 01707 638112 which will bring you directly into the Neighbourhood Officer.

Many thanks

Jo
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Peter Hastings on October 20, 2007, 09:41:00 am
Our shop in Welham Green was broken into overnight! Police are on to it.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Clean Up Kid on January 23, 2008, 06:38:52 pm
A friend of mine (a reliable source) has just notified me of a burglary in the Pine Grove area on friday night between 7.30pm and 10pm. There was also a police van called to a house in the same area last night, similar time, attending an activated burglar alarm. Does anybody know anything about these incidents?
In the first case, the burglar(s) entered through an open window, as well as cutting the wires to the alarm.
I hate it when things like this happen, I normally feel so safe in Brookmans Park, but I guess it's a reminder to be vigilant at all times....
And apparently the United Reformed Church was broken into recently too....
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: hilarycarlen on January 23, 2008, 09:47:09 pm
And a house in The Gardens, last Tuesday.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: saffie on January 26, 2008, 03:39:45 pm
I thought I heard someone trying to get into our house last Sunday morning at about 1am.  We are in Oaklands Av.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: saffie on February 19, 2008, 10:28:59 am
Just to let you all know over the weekend someone tried to gain entry to our house by attempting to pull the handle off our UPVC Front Door.  About 4 weeks ago we had someone trying to get in the back door at about 1.30am in the morning too.

I am sure you all do but I got a reminder from the man who came to fix the door.  If you have a UPVC front door YOU MUST pull up the handle and deadlock it, otherwise these people ARE ABLE to get in.

Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Editor on February 24, 2008, 07:27:15 pm
The latest crime figures show an increase in domestic burglaries in Brookmans Park and those most vulnerable living in houses backing onto open spaces. Click here (http://www.brookmans.com/news/february08/burglaries.shtml) for more details or click here (http://www.brookmans.com/neighbourhood/crime108.shtml) for the latest neighbourhood watch newsletter.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: shads on March 04, 2008, 05:09:53 pm
Regarding local crime, i got off the train at brookmans park station last night at 6.05 ish and there was a guy in an illuminous yellow jacket in the car park.
I asked him what he was doing and he said he was security hired by British Transport Police to keep an eye on the car park...........................does anyone know anything about this please
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Custard on March 05, 2008, 08:46:59 am
I have seen two of them getting out of the green van with the flat tyres that looks like it has been dumped!
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Bob Horrocks on March 05, 2008, 10:13:24 am
Regarding local crime, i got off the train at brookmans park station last night at 6.05 ish and there was a guy in an illuminous yellow jacket in the car park.
I asked him what he was doing and he said he was security hired by British Transport Police to keep an eye on the car park...........................does anyone know anything about this please

Proof positive that Network Rail owns the car park.  There has been recent debate on this Forum as to who owns the car park where there is/was an abandonded car.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Mermaid on March 05, 2008, 10:55:27 am
Unless the man in the fluorescent jacket was lying of course. ........ID shown at all?
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Bob Horrocks on March 06, 2008, 10:40:01 am
You can buy one of these jackets on the street market for a fiver!

Could be a useful addition to put in your car boot with the spare wheel in case you break down.  Hope that is not tempting fate.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: sasquartch on March 06, 2008, 10:50:35 am
I remember a scam featured on 'The Real Hustle' on BBC3 that showed one of the presenters at a car park, dressed in an official looking high-vis coat. He would stand by the ticket machine and explain to people that the machine was out of order, however they were to pay him. He would issue a 'receipt' for people to display in their cars.

Of course, the 'receipts' were bogus and the car park attendant was a conman who had simply bought a book of receipts and a high-vis jacket which are obtainable anywhere. The motorists, having been conned, then later found they were issued with penalty tickets as they hadn't displayed a bona fide ticket !

So just because someone looks official doesn't mean they are !
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: chicken legs on March 20, 2008, 10:26:34 pm
I don't want to trivialise the burglaries because I know how upsetting they are, but last Saturday morning I couldn't find my car keys.  Eventually, they were trapped down dangling from the door of the car, which was parked on the drive, close to the road, since Friday afternoon.  I don't think they would still be there if I lived in many areas in London.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Editor on March 23, 2008, 10:11:32 am
Brookmans Park News has fallen victim of another smash and grab raid, the fourth in recent years. Thieves used towing chains attached to their vehicle to tear back the protective shutters before smashing their way into the store. Click here (http://www.brookmans.com/news/march08/theft.shtml) for more details.

(http://www.brookmans.com/news/march08/theft.jpg)
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Grant Shapps MP on April 03, 2008, 12:31:57 pm
I'm very concerned about the high level of burglaries of Brookmans Park shops. Over the past four months I believe that five of our village shops have been the victims of break-ins during the night.

I have organised a meeting with the Chief Constable at which I will be raise this issue, but since that meeting is not scheduled until May I am also today contacting him to express my concern and ask for an immediate update on the steps being taken to prevent these repeated attacks.

Grant Shapps MP


Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: AK on April 11, 2008, 05:56:15 pm
I have seen two of them getting out of the green van with the flat tyres that looks like it has been dumped!

Miracles of miracles. I actually saw this van move earlier this week. Walking into the parking lot after getting off the train, there it was... all 4 wheels inflated, the engine running and a man behind the wheel. It slowly eased forwards then went into reverse and headed down the parking lot. I was stunned. I though it had long ago been given up for dead.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Peter Hastings on April 17, 2008, 01:34:41 pm
AS I recall it was  a similar spate of such attacks that led to the well-supported public meeting a couple of years ago. The major beef was long response times (and I have to say a certain incredulity over the response times quoted by the police). If memory serves the gang were caught and the police might argue their detection is better than their own the ground coverage. It was this that led tot he call for more PCSOs and real police on the ground and I feel that has improved.

I know the Chief Constable has a priority of making people feel less fear about crime reflecting what he regards as falling crime figures so I will be interested to see what he says to Grant.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: PC Jo Wakelen on April 22, 2008, 08:19:36 am
Hello,

There seems to be a new spate of burglaries occurring in Brookmans Park.  Yesterday on happened on Bluebridge Avenue and a man was seen in a garden on Peplins Way.

Descriptions were given and we attended, but unfortunately the suspects in both cases had made their way out of the area.

Please can I appeal to you all, be vigilant and report any suspicious circumstances or persons to police immediately.  Car indexes are very helpful as well as a description of the vehicle or person.

The people doing these crimes are favouring walking in from  and out of the open spaces such as Gobians, the railway line that backs onto Peplins Way and the golf course.

Dog walkers can you be especially vigilant and let us know of anyone who you don't recognise or seem to be out of place in the open spaces/footpaths around Brookmans Park.

Myself and the rural team are going to be patrolling the area, if you don't see us it doesn't mean we are there, were not always in uniform.

As for your own properties, please ensure everything is secure, if your going on holiday tell your neighbours or bring it to my attention and we will check the property on our patrols.

It is only a matter of time before we catch these people, but we would appreciate any help you can give us as a collective vigilant community.

Many thanks

Pc Jo Wakelen
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Editor on May 20, 2008, 06:39:10 pm
From Herts police... not immediately local, but near enough to be worth publicising the appeal for witnesses

May 20, 2008
AGGRAVATED BURGLARY IN NORTHAW
By Corporate Communication Dept


AN INSURANCE company is offering a £30,000 reward for information leading to the recovery of undamaged jewellery and conviction of offenders following an aggravated burglary in Northaw, Potters Bar, on Friday, May 16.

The incident occurred between 9.05 and 11.02am when an offender gained entry to a property and threatened a man and a woman with a weapon. The offender then forced the man to a safe and several pieces of jewellery worth a substantial amount of money, cash and a set of car keys belonging to a silver BMW Z3 were taken.

The offender then made off in the BMW, registration ‘HS16’ along Coopers Lane.

Over 24 pieces of jewellery were taken including:

- 18ct pearl necklet with ruby diamond and pearl pendant
- Cartier watch
- Bulgari diamond set 18ct plaited earrings
- David Morris 3 piece set, gold twist necklace and diamond cross with matching ring and earrings

PC Kevin McEleavey is investigating and said: “I am appealing for members of the public who may have seen anyone acting suspiciously in the area prior to the incident, may have seen the distinctive silver BMW Z3 driving, possibly erratically, in the Northaw area or has any information about the crime to please come forward.

“We are also very keen to trace the jewellery so please get in touch if you can help.”

Anyone with information is asked to contact PC McEleavey on 0845 33 00 222 or alternatively call Crimestoppers anonymously on 0800 555 111.

The insurance company Evergreen is now offering a reward of up to £30,000 for information leading to the arrest, conviction and recovery of the undamaged property.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Editor on May 20, 2008, 07:32:40 pm
Police have issued a warning to the public not to make life easy for burglars. In a news release sent to this site, Herts Police offer some simple tips for making it more difficult for would-be thieves. Click here (http://www.brookmans.com/news/may08/summer_domestic_burglaries.shtml) for more details.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Alfred the Great on May 20, 2008, 09:21:18 pm
Aggravated
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Editor on May 20, 2008, 09:50:42 pm
Thanks Alfred, typo corrected.

 :)
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Editor on July 20, 2008, 10:30:06 am
Hertfordshire police say reducing the number of domestic burglaries is a priority, after figures reveal a 5.6% rise in break ins compared with the previous year. Officers say this is due to criminals from outside the county travelling to Hertfordshire to commit crime. Click here (http://www.brookmans.com/news/july08/Increase_in_domestic_burglaries_in_Hertfordshire.shtml) for more details.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Angel on July 29, 2008, 06:50:35 pm
Just found this on the Welwyn Hatfield Times website

Click Here (http://www.whtimes.co.uk/content/whtimes/news/story.aspx?brand=WHTOnline&category=News&tBrand=HertsCambsOnline&tCategory=newslatestWHT&itemid=WEED29%20Jul%202008%2010%3A24%3A14%3A610)
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: peppermint on August 12, 2008, 11:25:03 pm
Has anyone else seen the cctv footage on the WH times website of the robbery at the Londis store in Potters Bar a couple of weeks ago.   The robbery looks similar in style to the robberies at the off licence and the newsagents in BP.  Interesting viewing.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Editor on January 30, 2009, 05:12:09 pm
The community police team has arranged a series of local monthly meetings to enable local residents to discuss issues that concern them.  Click here (http://www.brookmans.com/news/january09/police_set_up_community_consultation_meetings.shtml) for more details.

Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: James Bentall on January 30, 2009, 05:38:12 pm
Fantastic! 10 o'clock in the morning! That will be really easy for the majority of the residents in a commuter village to attend...  Are any of the rest going to be at different times?
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: PCSO Luxford on February 03, 2009, 10:16:19 am
Anyone who is unable to make the Police Public Consultations, at Brookmans Park United Reform Church 10am, 9th February, can always email me their views/suggestions to louise (dot) luxford (at) herts (dot) pnn (dot) police (dot) uk

This email address can also be used to notify me of when your property is likely to be empty if you are going on holiday etc.

Note: Edited only to try to hide email address to prevent it being harvested by automatic spam programmes. To contact PCSO Luxford just replace (dot) with a full stop and (at) with the @ sign.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Aidan Winwood on February 04, 2009, 12:06:03 pm
unless they work, in which case they will not be able to attend...

 ???
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Aidan Winwood on February 04, 2009, 12:11:18 pm
poor timing on my part...

 :)
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Editor on February 07, 2009, 08:30:40 am
A reminder that the first of the local crime sessions, set up by the community police team so that local residents can discuss crime issues, will be held at in the lounge of the Brookmans Park United Reformed Church, on Monday 9 February from 10am to noon. According to PCSO Louise Luxford, the aim of the sessions is to try to help the police understand better the concerns and worries of local residents. Click here for more information (http://www.brookmans.com/news/january09/police_set_up_community_consultation_meetings.shtml). I have added all the dates to this forum/site's calendar.

David
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: PCSO Luxford on February 12, 2009, 05:42:09 pm
Thank you to everyone who braved a cold, wet, Monday morning to come to the first Brookmans Park Police Public Consultation.  These events are an informal "drop in" for the people of Brookmans Park and Little Heath to come and tell us of any issues they feel we should be concentrating on.

The following issues were raised by several residents and are as follows:

Parking in the village

HAWKSHEAD ROAD parking at RVC

Speeding issues

Fly tipping in BRADMORE LANE, GRUBBS LANE and surrounding areas

Rouge traders (name removed for legal reasons, please contact Louise Luxford - details below for more information)

Speed bumps in BROOKMANS AVE and noisey delivery lorries all day and night


If for any reason you cannot make the meetings, I appreciate they are all in the morning and I shall try and address this, then please contact me via email: louise(dot)luxford(at)herts(dot)pnn(dot)police(dot)uk, or via my direct office number, 01707 806947, (although please bear in mind I am out of the office a great deal).  Failing that, there is the forgotten art of writing a letter, if you prefer, to: Hatfield Police Station, Comet Way, Hatfield, AL10 9SJ

Regards



Note, edited only to remove company name mentioned in the 'rogue traders' line.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Alfred the Great on February 12, 2009, 09:47:07 pm
Er... (company name removed for legal reasons, please contact PCSO Louise Luxford --- details in the post above --- if you want more information).were around our way yesterday and did a good job for us at a reasonable cost. Any idea why they are "rogue" traders? Seemed quite normal to me.

ATG


Note: edited to remove company name
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: colinr on February 12, 2009, 10:41:00 pm
ATG, What is not always obvious, and I am not suggesting the company you used is in anyway like this example below.....

A friends of mine who runs a community centre in Hertfordshire, was confronted one morning by a large heap of fly tipping outside the community centre doorway. Amongst all the rubbish was some paperwork that gave a name and address in Enfield.

After some investigating it transpired the owner of the rubbish had paid a “Tree Surgeon“to do some work in their garden, which involved demolishing, clearing and disposing a gardens shed.

In addition, they had paid £200 for the rubbish to be disposed of. But instead it was dumped outside the secluded doorway of the community centre.

If gets worse, because when the council came to inspect this junk, it was established it contained asbestos, which as we all know to be a health hazard. Therefore the council will not handle the clean up. Here’s “the rub”, the community centre had to pay a specialist company to remove this hazardous material. (I believe about £300.)

The centre was closed to the playgroups, weight watchers, flower arrangers , and all the other users, until it was deemed safe for the community centre to be use again.

I reiterate that I am not suggesting that the company you used has been involved in any activity that is illegal, but it’s not always the excellent service you may get from a supplier that does not impact on somebody else’s life.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Editor on February 15, 2009, 07:55:15 pm
Hertfordshire police say that motorists who park illegally in Brookmans Park village, and repeatedly fail to heed official police warnings, could end up having their vehicles taken away. Click here (http://www.brookmans.com/news/february09/car_removal_warning.shtml) for more.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Mr Green on February 16, 2009, 07:50:44 pm
On the currect front page I note there is a piece from the local police which states.

"Motorists who park illegally in Brookmans Park village, and repeatedly fail to heed official police warnings, could end up having their vehicles taken away."

Should it not say " Motorists who park illegally ANYWHERE, and repeatedly fail to heed official police warnings, could end up having their vehicles taken away. " - Come on cops, be fair.

The traffic problems in Hawkshead Lane are vastly more dangerous than those around the village. So why, in relation to this serious issue, do the police remark. " Parking along Hawkshead Lane, near the RVC, is described as "an on-going issue." "

This problem has existed for a long time and that statement is wearing a bit thin.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: John_fraser on February 16, 2009, 08:20:28 pm
I'll believe it when I see it. The speed checks on Bluebridge Road seem to have fizzled out after a couple of goes, despite large numbers of offenders. Another example of the police talking a good game.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: PCSO Luxford on March 01, 2009, 11:30:14 am
I can asure you that the speed checks have not, "fizzled out after a few goes", as you have stated.  These checks are a regular and ongoing thing.  We are not just concentrating on BLUEBRIDGE ROAD as other roads in BROOKMANS PARK are having problems with speeding vehicles.  GEORGES WOOD ROAD was mentioned at the Public Police Consultation and we have conducted speed checks there as requested by a resident. It would be unsatisfactory on our behalf if we only concentrated on one particular road. To try and combat the problem of speeding for the local residents, then is it not more appropriate to conduct these checks randomly?  :) 
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: PCSO Luxford on March 01, 2009, 12:03:45 pm
Nightlondon

I have read your comment about HAWKSHEAD LANE and the fact "it is an on-going issue" is wearing thin.  I believe a plan to create a car park for the Vet College was declined by local residents as it would have taken up some of the park area.  There were advantages and dis-advantages to be taken into account and I am sure these were discussed at the time.
From a police veiwpoint, we can issue tickets for obstruction if the vehicles do not allow enough room for a pram/pushchair or wheelchair to pass or if the vehicle is parked too close to a junction.  Tickets have been issued to the students for these very reasons.
The Highways Agency are aware of this problem and my understanding is theywill not paint lines in the road.  As there are no parking restriction signs errected along the lane either, then there is little we can do. I sympathise with your viewpoint and wish an agreeable solution could be reached and soon!
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: PCSO Luxford on March 07, 2009, 03:46:04 pm
I have been able to arrange evening meetings to be held at Brookmans Park United Reform Church so those who were unable to attend the morning ones can have their say.  It is with many thanks to Ian and Rita Robertson that this is now possible.

The following dates are for evening meetings to be held in the Lounge from 7pm - 9pm:

April 6th 2009
June 8th 2009
August 3rd 2009
October 5th
December 7th (community room)

These meetings are INFORMAL and are designed for the residents to come and have a chat with us on a "one to one" basis and let us know the issues they feel need our attention them most. It is not for the police to stand up and hold a general meeting.

I hope this meets with the approval of the residents and I look forward to meeting more of you.  :)
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: PC Jo Wakelen on March 16, 2009, 01:23:15 pm
Hi,
Firstly an apology to you all.  I haven't been on line for over 5 months, this is due to an injury sustained whilst on duty.  I have been unable to use computers etc until recently and so haven't answered some people's quieries.

However, I am now back at work on restricted duties and I am available for your queries as before.  I will not be back on the streets of Brookmans Park for a while yet, but PCSO Luxford is and there are officers covering the area.

I will be logging onto here on a regular basis and keeping a check on things.  I can be used as a point of contact like before and will endeavour to provide any help and information you need.

It is good to be back albeit on restricted duties.

Many thanks
Jo
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Editor on March 16, 2009, 01:35:57 pm
Welcome back Jo. Glad to hear you are getting better.

Louise has been great at keeping us all informed in the meantime.

I am merging your 'update' thread with the local crime thread.

David

Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Editor on April 06, 2009, 03:12:31 pm
Reminder - local crime meeting tonight at Brookmans Park URC at 7pm. All welcome.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Editor on April 07, 2009, 07:11:44 pm
The local PCSO says that despite responding to calls for evening as well as daytime liaison meetings, only one person turned up for the meeting last night.  Police want to know whether local residents want the meetings or not. Click here (http://www.brookmans.com/news/march09/police_community_consultation_meetings_moved_to_evening.shtml) are the scheduled times and dates.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Editor on May 02, 2009, 03:57:08 pm
Introducing our new village PC, Ross Freeman. Click here  (http://www.brookmans.com/news/may09/introducing_PC_Ross_Freeman.shtml)for more details.

(http://www.brookmans.com/news/may09/PC_Ross_Freeman.jpg)
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: P.C 484 Freeman on June 08, 2009, 06:01:05 pm
Hello,

Just a reminder that I will be at The United Reform Church between 1900-2100hrs tonight.  The idea of me being there is so that local residents can pop in and tell The Police what THEY would like from us.  And to discuss any issues that are effecting them.

I hope people can make it, as often there is a fairly low turn out, please feel free to pop in and speak with me

Kind Regards
P.C 484 Ross Freeman
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Editor on June 08, 2009, 08:20:57 pm
Hi Ross,

Nice to see you just now for a chat. Pity nobody turned up. I noticed only one person turned up for the last one, too.  Will you be rethinking whether it's worth bothering with the liaison meetings?

David
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: chicken legs on June 08, 2009, 10:13:22 pm
Maybe it's a sign that most of us have no complaints about our policing?  Surely people would attend if they had any grouses.
Title: Re: Local crime and community policing
Post by: Editor on July 13, 2009, 09:19:37 am
Apparently eight people showed up for the last police community liaison meeting.