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Title: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: MC on December 31, 2002, 01:56:52 am
I just wanted to record the fact that I think the new car park has sharpened up the image of BP Hotel enormously.

It's quite a surprising effect. It had looked a bit shabby before although you only realised that after the work was done. Now it looks much more professional; quite classy in fact.

Also, on the practical side, the car park has more spaces and is better laid out too
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Mary_Morgan on January 05, 2003, 10:28:44 pm
Mark

Entirely agree.   Visited the BPH on Friday lunchtime and thought the carpark looked great.

Mary
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Mary_Morgan on February 28, 2003, 09:54:30 pm
On the Jumble Sale thread and the station car park one I have seen lots of ideas about people thinking they should be allowed to park in the pub car park.

Why.  The pub is private property.  It's car park is for its customers.  Alright, some days it may not be busy, but it could be.  

The Jumble Sale was on a Saturday, the pub has a function room, they may have had a wedding on.  Where would the wedding guests have put their cars.

During the week there could be a wake?   I have certainly been a few there.

If the pub let commuters use their car park, where would the customers that they do have park their cars?

Having been a "regular" over many years, I have never had a problem parking in the pub car park (through many landlords) if I have asked them in advance if I could.  I have even been told off by one for not using it when he spied my car parked elsewhere in the village.  

Why anyone believes they have a right to park there, I really do not understand.  

Have I got the right to park in your driveway just because it is convenient to me?   I can imagine what some of you would say if I tried it ;) ;)

Mary
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: John_fraser on February 28, 2003, 10:09:14 pm
I so agree with Mary - and I'm not exactly a fan of the BPH. I can see their concern that if they allow their carpark to be used as the Village carpark, it will become continually full and unavailable for customers. I think they have every reason to fear this and protect their asset.

There is a large free - for the moment anyway - car park 1 minute's walk from BPH, so there should be no need to park there anyway.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: jet on February 28, 2003, 10:18:11 pm
Of course they can do what they want and I personally cannot see why people take their cars to a pub as drinking and driving do not mix. >:(
Its just not a very wellcoming sign at a hostelry. :(
As in most things its another case of what you cannot do as against what you can do. ???
regards,
jet
looking forward to a beer there with Aiden soon.
Funny thing as you get older your hearing naturally deteriorates, when people say " what do you want to drink" you cannot hear it, but when kids scream you can hear it for miles, hi & lo frequencies 8)
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Zorro on February 28, 2003, 10:23:46 pm
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Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Mad_Dad on March 05, 2003, 11:04:41 am
I think they should have grassed over the car park and created a lovely garden for us to sit in and sip Pimm's on a summer evening.
Think how much nicer that would make the village.
There's plenty of room for cars either side.
Doesn't make any sense to me that they've made a feature of their car park. Mind you, seeing as the whole centre of the village is just a glorified car park I don't suppose it makes much difference.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Margaret on March 06, 2003, 10:19:42 am
Yes it would have been much nicer as a garden but I think you'll find a car park is probably cheaper and easier to maintain. Shame though.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: brookmans_park_hot on June 23, 2003, 07:25:03 pm
Thank you all for your positive comments re our car park its nice to see people have noticed the changes we have made. Unfortunately all the car park spaces are needed for weddngs so the idea about a Garden at the front is just not practical. We have however re vamped the Beer Garden which is at the side of the Hotel and is fully inclosed so safe for children.  
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: ACE on June 24, 2003, 12:50:24 am
The Brookmans Park Hotel needs to be congratulated on the new car park as it raises the image of the whole village.  In addition, they have kindly agreed to allow Brookmans Park Primary School parents to use their car park in the mornings as a drop off point for older children who can then walk to school through the village and along Bradmore Way to the school gates.  This is encouraging children to walk to school and alleviating the volume of traffic in Bradmore Way/Peplins Way, if only slightly.  This is a great community minded spirit!  The garden is well presented and children can safely play while parents enjoy the summer atmosphere.  Thank you Brookmans Park Hotel.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: shads on June 27, 2003, 06:31:24 pm
i would also like to add my apprecation to Merisa and Ariel for the great job they are doing and also letting the parents use the car park .Its nice to have a pub that is truly family friendly.Well done you 2 ,oh and not forgetting Roger of course
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Mermaid on July 13, 2005, 01:34:12 pm
Can anyone shed any light on the following?

I've just heard that - apparently - the Brookmans Park Hotel is to become 'more of a nightclub'. I'm told that the owners have applied for an extended drinks licence allowing them to stay open until 1.00am weekdays and 2.00am at weekends, and also for a gaming licence and an extended music licence.

Is this true? Perhaps if someone from the hotel reads this, they could reply and set a few minds at rest (or not!).

Mermaid
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Aidan Winwood on July 13, 2005, 01:52:11 pm
Hi Mermaid,

I can confirm that this is categorically not true.  I had a long conversation with Arial at the pub last week about the new methods for applying for licences.  the gist of it being that you no longer go to court to apply for a late (or early) licence each time, but apply for a licence for a period of time.

Arial and Melissa have applied for a licence to cover eventualities such as the last World Cup and weddings not to open a nightclub.

The gaming licence almost certainly applies to the existing fruit-machine and pub quiz machine, and the music licence to discos for weddings.

Hope this makes sense,
Aidan
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Mermaid on July 13, 2005, 01:59:27 pm
Makes perfect sense, thanks for the explanation Aidan.

Phew, what a relief!    ;D
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Aidan Winwood on July 13, 2005, 02:02:48 pm
No Probs,

A
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: John_fraser on July 13, 2005, 02:20:21 pm
Once the hotel gets this licence is there anything to stop them openning to 1am or 2am every night?
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Aidan Winwood on July 13, 2005, 02:32:36 pm
I'm not sure, apart from the fact that neither of the owners want to.

Personally I think that opening an hour later on Fridays or Saturdays would be fine anyway - it would just give people more flexibility.

Aidan
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: John_fraser on July 13, 2005, 02:59:42 pm
Quote
I'm not sure, apart from the fact that neither of the owners want to.

Maybe not now, but what about in the future? If the hotel hits harder times? If a new owner arrives?
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Aidan Winwood on July 13, 2005, 03:40:22 pm
I don't think there's much anyone can do about that - any new owner could apply for an extended hours license at a later date.

All I do know is that neither Arial or Melissa have any intention to start a night club, which was the answer to the original question.

Aidan
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Bada Bing on July 13, 2005, 05:09:13 pm
Not sure if this is correct but I think that licenses are granted to individuals not premises.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: daisy on July 15, 2005, 02:09:33 pm
The blue application notice is stuck up on the glass doors of the hotel. The application states that they have sought to allow sale and supply of alcohol on and OFF the premises from 7:30 am until 2:30 am on Fridays, Saturdays (and Sundays of bank holiday weekends) and from 7am to 1:30 am on Sundays to Thursdays.

If they don't want to stay open until 2:30 am why apply? And why apply to sell alcohol to people who can drink it off the premises? Does off the premises mean on the village green or out of the hotel building but still sitting on the hotel seats?
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Aidan Winwood on July 15, 2005, 03:20:29 pm
The BPH currently has a on and off premises license I think.  As far as the timings go, I think is is now a standard time period that will cover late licences for weddings/private parties (which sometime run to 1 - 1:30am at the moment on special application).

Best way to find out if you have concerns is to go and ask in the pub.

Aidan

PS: no, this support for the pub doesn't mean I own shares in the pub!

PPS: yes, I think slightly later opening times would cause no problems for the village!
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: John_fraser on July 15, 2005, 03:42:12 pm
I’m not sure where you live, but the people who’ll be really affected are the ones who live close to Bradmore Green. There’s already a developing problem with youths in the evening there and these people are being asked to take it on trust that the pub will not use its new licence to stay open any latter or more often than it currently does.

I realise that the situation is not of the owners’ making, but instead is the result of the governments change to the licensing laws. But if I lived closer to Bradmore Green I would seriously be considering objecting.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Aidan Winwood on July 15, 2005, 04:06:40 pm
I live closer to the pub than most other people in the village (circa 40 yards) and I can tell you that the problem with noise is not the pub it's the kids on mopeds or with cars that have an inverse relationship between engine size and exhaust pipe(s)/stereo.  Also if you live in the village center, the trains going past make as much noise as the people late at night on a Friday / Saturday.

I genuinely do not feel that any later opening would cause large amounts of noise polution - people who arrive early would leave at a similar time they do now, and people who arrive later would not be too loud and pissed later on since they haven't been there all night.

Anyone else in the village center have a view?

yours,
Aidan
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: John_fraser on July 15, 2005, 04:34:41 pm
I agree that the pub has not caused the 'youth problem' and would probably like to see it removed. My point was that the pub openning late would be another source of late night noise.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Editor on July 16, 2005, 06:18:38 pm
The blue notice on the door of the Brookmans Park Hotel says that objections to the application (to stay open until 0230 am Friday and Saturdays and 0130 the rest of the week) have to be submitted by July 21. Objections must be sent to the usual address...The Chief Planning Officer, Welwyn Hatfield Council, Council Offices, Welwyn Garden City, Hertfordshire, AL8 6AE.





Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Evil on July 18, 2005, 01:29:03 pm
I think it rather sad that the rumours about the Brookmans turning into a nightclub were started by someone who doesn't even live in the village!  Now let's all be honest with ourselves for a minute - what sort of nightclub closes at 2am?  That's the optimum clubbing hour!

Ariel & Merrisa work hard to please everyone and most of the people that moan don't even go into the pub so what gives them the right to complain about it.  There shouldn't be any fuss about this at all, it's quite simple - the new licensing laws have made it so that every establishment has to apply for a 'blanket' licence.  They no longer offer temporary licences like those that had to be obtained when England were in the World Cup and for the New Years Eve party held each year.
 >:( :icon_scratch: >:(

   
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Editor on July 18, 2005, 02:59:08 pm
Hi Evil, Welcome to the forum. I hope you find it useful. You mentioned 'people that moan' in your post.


Ariel & Merrisa work hard to please everyone and most of the people that moan don't even go into the pub so what gives them the right to complain about it.
 

I haven't noticed any moaning or complaining about the pub in this thread. It seems to be a discussion about the implications of an extended licence. The site has a policy covering criticism of local businesses - please click here to read it (http://www.brookmans.com/guidelines.shtml#defamation). Also, if people were moaning, how would you know whether they used the pub or not, especially as so many post anonymously? Also, how do you know that the person who started 'the rumour' doesn't live in the village?


I think it rather sad that the rumours about the Brookmans turning into a nightclub were started by someone who doesn't even live in the village!


I don't know who started the 'rumour' but the person who started this thread is local and so has a valid reason to raise the issue. For the record, I live in Brookmans Park, but far enough away from Bradmore Green not to be directly affected by this. I use the pub once or twice a month for a pint while waiting for my take-away curry to cook.

 :)

Note: Edited only to correct a typo 

:-[
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Evil on July 18, 2005, 03:09:06 pm
Thank you Editor.  I didn't mean any offence to anyone and maybe moaning wasn't the right word.  There are a few people who have 'open concerns' about the pub having a late licence!  Also, the people I was referring to were not necessarily on the website but people I have spoken to around the village.  I know the person who started the rumour (if not started doing a very good job of telling everyone) doesn't live in the village because I have an acquaintance who knows the person personally and is therefore not the person who started the thread. 

It is rather amusing the way 'chinese whispers' get round the community.  What started off as a pub having to apply for a new licence has escalated into it being a nightclub!     

Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Editor on July 18, 2005, 04:08:17 pm
Thanks for that,


There are a few people who have 'open concerns' about the pub having a late licence!


I think that is where this forum can be of value to the community. Without a thread like this, some might not have known about the application for a late licence. Now those who have concerns also know that they can object to the council. According to the notice in the main glass door at the Brookmans Park Hotel, those objections have to be submitted by July 21. Objections must be sent to the usual address...The Chief Planning Officer, Welwyn Hatfield Council, Council Offices, Welwyn Garden City, Hertfordshire, AL8 6AE.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Max on July 20, 2005, 06:56:58 am
God though, wouldn't it be great if they did decide to open a nightclub? Pleasant place though BP undoubtedly is, it could really benefit from something to do in the evenings, as could most places in our wretched country with its ludicrous closing times. The first time my (Greek) wife came to the UK, she came to the conclusion that we were all mad. What kind of time is 11:00 P.M. to end a night out, for goodness' sake? We have a house on a Greek Island called Ikaria, and our village probably has a population of about 200 at the most, but the pub stays open until at least 02:00 AM almost every night, and often a lot later. That goes for the whole of Greece, and Spain and Italy too, but cannot be considered simply a southern phenomenon, as you find the same thing even in quiet northern places like Denmark. And no-one is forced to stay out late in those countries. If there were such a thing (which I seriously doubt) as a Greek who wanted to go to bed at 11:30, there is absolutely nothing to prevent him/her from doing so.

It would be great if BP residents had the option of a decent late night out without either a) someone in the company having to keep off the booze in order to drive home, b) drinking and driving or c) having to pay an arm and a leg for a late taxi.

These days, when I come back to the UK for a visit, I find myself wondering if a large number of British people actually enjoy being bored in the evenings! There are certainly far too many who's greatest joy seems to come from preventing others from having fun, not that I am accusing anyone here of that.

And surely any "youth problem" (What "youth problem"? I sometimes think some older people forget that they were young once too) in Bradmore Green would be reduced if the youths in question were in the pub, rather than hanging around with nothing to do (God, the painful memories of being 17 and broke on a Friday night in BP!). Personally, if I lived in Bradmore Green, I would be all for it, even if I were to be sometimes woken up by car/motorbike engines at closing time (really, what's the big deal? Turn over and go back to sleep, why don't you!)
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Aidan Winwood on July 20, 2005, 10:27:12 am
Max, I agree with you in almost every point you make, but if you can just tell me where you live and I will come over with some scooters at about 1:30am on Saturday night and I'll scream around on them on your drive for about 30 minutes non-stop.  Then you tell me whether you managed to 'just turn over and go back to sleep'.

Apart from that, I totally agree that the continental (and indeed Scottish and Irish) opening hours are much more sensible, and allow for more relaxed drinking (and eating).  Oh to be able have a Spanish type style of eating small dishes all evening (without going to Spain I mean).

A
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: James Bentall on July 20, 2005, 11:58:49 am
No Aiden. First of all you need to play some drum and bass at excessively high volumes to make sure everyone is awake to hear you screaming around on your motorbike.

Admittedly, the link between people leaving the pub and the normal Friday/Saturday night noise is probably nil, however there is a definate increase in noise when ppl do leave the pub of car doors slamming, engines starting etc. It's unavoidable. Fine, if everyone left en masse at 2:05am and it was quiet by 2:10am it might be possible to turn over and go back to sleep - have a suspicion it won't quite work like that and we will get prolonged noise over a much longer period of time.

As someone who lives very close to the Brookmans, I'm not in favour of the pubs new hours, and will be writing to the council to object. I notice in the paper this week that there are a couple of other applications from similar premises that say, for example, that 'live music will be limited to 12 times a year'. I'm sure that the Brookmans could rewrite a similar thing to reassure local residents that, two years down the line, they do not decide to open every night until 2am (+ half an hour drink up time)

James
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Evil on July 20, 2005, 12:07:19 pm
If the Brookmans wanted to open later than proposed in the week they would have to reapply for the licence again as once they have the new licence it cannot be changed, a whole new one has to be issued.

As far as I am aware the Brookmans have no plans to have live music, the late licence means that they can still have functions on the premises.  If the licence gets refused there will be no more late licence for parties, wedding receptions etc.  I bet a few people would have something to say if their wedding reception had to end at 11pm or we couldn't watch the next World Cup in the early hours of the morning because people objected to the new laws!!!

The new licence would just mean that the whole pub would be open till later rather than just the function room.  The people that object are the ones that will miss out if they ever want to host a party or whatever because they won't be able to.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Max on July 20, 2005, 02:12:25 pm
Aidan, my original home (where my mother still lives) is in Westland Drive, about 3/4 of the way up from The Gardens to the alleyway. As it is, I live in Athens most of the year, spending Summers in Ikaria, and a good deal of time in Abu Dhabi, where I work. Everywhere stays open late in all these places (funny that in an Islamic country it is easier to get a beer at 04:00 AM than it is in the UK). In my peaceful Summer residence, we are right next to a road and have noisy motorbikes coming up and down all through the night, which does not usually prevent me from frequently feeding the local mosquitos by crashing out (inadvertently) on the garden swing hammock on my way back from the (usually still open) pub 25m down the road from the house. Mind you, I am notoriously difficult to disturb when asleep, and have, amongst other things, slept through a fire alarm on an oil rig and an earthquake (5.5 on the Richter scale) in Sicily (not to mention my alarm clock on many occasions)!

Yes, the noise can be a bit tiresome sometimes, but it is worth it for the facility of having somewhere you can go (without driving) for a couple of beers and a bit of company whenever you feel like it. And if the noise of people leaving a pub or club at 02:30 AM on a Friday or Saturday night is going to disturb you, then I would suggest that you have a) gone to bed far too early and b) not had enough to drink before doing so! :-)

If people are making ridiculous amounts of noise late at night, then they could be encouraged to shut up by the police if necessary, but to me, the idea of ensuring that no-one is disturbed at night by making it illegal for places of entertainment to remain open until a reasonable hour is a classic case of the cure being worse than the disease.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Aidan Winwood on July 20, 2005, 04:34:05 pm
Max,

I agree with you and would personally welcome a continental style of eating and drinking in the evenings.  I've been agreeing with that since the beginning of the thread!

As far as the bikes and cars at night, I have reported these (to no result) - kids hangin around the village smoking and boozing doesn't really bother me - I did the same when I was younger in the village - but the mopeds and cars loitering in the village I can't stand.

James - just out of interest, since it says in the Webcam post that you are moving out of the village centre, why are you going to object to the council about possible noise that you will no longer hear?   ;)

Aidan
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: James Bentall on July 20, 2005, 11:28:07 pm
Quote
James - just out of interest, since it says in the Webcam post that you are moving out of the village centre, why are you going to object to the council about possible noise that you will no longer hear?   ;)

You are right I am moving out of Bradmore Green - unfortunately I'm moving just round the corner to Station Close, so will be even closer to the pub  :icon_scratch:
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Evil on July 21, 2005, 09:18:03 am
Surely then you are not moving out of the village centre but more in to it!  :P
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Margaret on July 26, 2005, 12:15:54 pm
Perhaps James is objecting on behalf of the people who do live there, after all he has experienced living in the village centre so can sympathise with them. just because he is moving doesn't mean he should stop caring. I like the idea of continental style eating out, but I think the main reason it hasn’t really taken off over here is the Great British WEATHER. I also think that the people who run the pub are the type of people who would encourage their clients to respect the neighbours, no matter what the hour.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Max on July 26, 2005, 10:58:47 pm
I don't go along with the weather excuse, Margaret. I have never been anywhere where the weather is worse than Esbjerg in western Denmark, and there are plenty of places that stay open very late there, every day of the week. You will find much the same in Holland also, and even within the UK, it is far easier to find places that stay open late in Scotland than in England, and even the Scots do not claim that their weather is better than ours!
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Evil on July 27, 2005, 09:25:44 am
I agree.  Lots of pubs (not night clubs) in London are open late.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Gashead on July 17, 2006, 09:14:47 pm
Heard this evening that the BPH will turn into a gastro-pub come August. I wish Arial and Marissa all the very best but I fear for the heart of our (BPH-visiting) community.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: barmy on July 17, 2006, 09:30:36 pm
Good god - let's hope that the consistency in the food quality at this new "Gastro" Pub is somewhat better than the allegedly sometimes maybe dodgy beer quality apparently available at the BPH in its current form, probably - or not. Nice location, and pleasant inoffensive decor, though.

(edited by request)

B  ;D
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Evil on July 19, 2006, 04:32:12 pm
Why does every change have to be negative?  Why can't people look at it as positive - a new place to eat and drink, something different from curry or chinese!
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: ADM on July 20, 2006, 10:24:33 am
Allegedly sometimes maybe apparently in its current form probably - or not, inoffensive, though.

Blimey the BNP (Be Nice Police) have certainly got to you!

And even before changing the post, Barmy made a good point.  Hoping for consistent food quality is a positive outlook in my book.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Evil on July 20, 2006, 10:27:09 am
Not when said with sarcasm!
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Editor on July 20, 2006, 10:52:42 am

Blimey the BNP (Be Nice Police) have certainly got to you!


Hi ADM, all the 'Be Nice Police' asked was the following...

Quote from: David Brewer

Hi Barmy,

Would you mind editing your contribution to remove the criticism of the beer please?

Thanks

David


Barmy obliged in his own, unique way (thanks Barmy).

 ;)
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Aidan Winwood on July 20, 2006, 12:19:40 pm
Have now had confirmed that the pub is shutting for a month on the 31st July for the refurb. 

Good to have a firm date to run up a large bar tab on...

Personally I'd like to thank Ariel and Merissa for several years of putting up with us, and sincerely hope that Roger, Alan and the other staff are still with us after the refurbishment.

A
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: sasquartch on July 20, 2006, 12:42:41 pm
I've used the Brookmans Park Hotel for many years (now only occasionally) and despite various managements going back to the pre Chivers era I've always felt its potential has never been realised.

Lots of people have said things like 'it could be a great pub', 'it could be a goldmine' etc without ever really identifying what's wrong with the current set up. Certainly the quality of the beer was never consistent in the Chivers era (hope I'm allowed to say this) which is surely something that has to be right for a pub to be sucessful. Also ventilation seems poor as it always seems incredibly smoky to me.

Do we know if it is to continue as a hotel ? Will the banqueting suite be changed ?

One problem is that the hotel is a large building, probably with large overheads, and it's always going to be difficult to make a successful business with it.

Personally I would welcome a change as it is virtually on my doorstep and would like another restaurant I could walk to.

I wish the new management (Arial / Merissa ??) every success.

Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Evil on July 20, 2006, 01:26:25 pm
As far as anyone knows there will be no more functions and it will just be a bar and restaurant.  Not sure if they're keeping the rooms going.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Peter Hastings on July 20, 2006, 07:23:09 pm
That is right Bada, new people would have to get their own situation sorted out so nobody need fret about what the current owners are doing-it wont carry forward necessarily.

The Hotel has let parents park their for school for a while and it makes a lot of difference both to the kids and I am sure those who live in Peplins.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: pdb on July 25, 2006, 02:12:36 pm
Do we know who the new owners are and if they have any other venues?
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: sasquartch on July 25, 2006, 02:37:29 pm
Heard they own / operate 4 other restaurants on similar lines - but don't know any more than that.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Gashead on July 25, 2006, 03:54:49 pm
One of them, I believe, is The Vine in Ware
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: pdb on July 25, 2006, 04:35:09 pm
The Vine is really nice establishment with great food.
I hope that's what they'll do with the Brookmans.
It's just what the Village needs.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: ottoD on July 26, 2006, 06:49:08 pm
Anyone who wants to go clubbing all night until 8am can find plenty of establishments in the West End....see you there! ;D
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: pdb on July 31, 2006, 11:13:02 pm
I hear the Hotel is now closed.  Is this true and until when?
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Evil on August 01, 2006, 09:34:29 am
Yes it's now closed.  Last day was 31st.  Depending on who you speak to, the pub is going to be closed for 4 weeks, 6 weeks, 6 months etc etc (chinese whispers).  Don't think anyone actually knows for definite.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: pdb on August 01, 2006, 09:53:28 pm
where's the best pub to drink in now and get a good meal?
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: peppermint on August 01, 2006, 10:21:11 pm
The Cock o the North is nice during the day.   Ive not been in there at night.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: trade on August 02, 2006, 09:01:20 pm
Had a meal in the Cock of the North the other night and food and service were very good :)
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Bob Horrocks on August 03, 2006, 05:20:05 pm
Pubs and their food and drinks, like everything else, can be a matter of taste.  I think it best to simply list the pubs in the immediate area and suggest that people are left to try them out for themselves.

The local pubs are the Builders Arms at Heath Road in Little Heath, the Woodman and Maypole on Warrengate Road, Cock O' The North, and Woodman down Woodside Lane (?).   
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Greybeard on August 04, 2006, 09:24:02 am
I think it's interesting to hear what sort of food is served there. But I agree unvarnished opinions don't get us very far.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Bob Horrocks on August 04, 2006, 12:47:30 pm
Sorry but I missed off the two Welham Green pubs - the Sibthorpe and Hope and Anchor.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: peppermint on August 04, 2006, 06:12:29 pm
I tried the warm chicken and bacon salad and  the waffle with toffee sauce and icecream at the Cock o the North.   It was lovely.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Editor on August 06, 2006, 07:44:02 pm
Could people please steer clear of commenting on local services, including pubs and restaurants. I know it sounds limiting, but there is a danger that people could slag off or praise local business for commercial reasons, and we don't want to go down that road.

The forum agreement, that everyone signs up to when registering, makes this clear.

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This site does not encourage restaurant reviews because of the danger of people abusing the facility to either promote or rubbish a restaurant for commercial reasons. Please do not offer or ask for opinions on any local services. If you have a complaint with a business please take it up with the owner, but please do not post about it here or it will be removed.


Click here  (http://www.brookmans.com/agreement.shtml) for the link to the forum agreement.

Thanks

David

Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: peppermint on August 06, 2006, 08:42:06 pm
My apologies David. I wont do it again.

PS.   I have no commercial interest in any of the local pubs or restaurants.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Clairebailey on August 11, 2006, 04:53:45 pm
One of them, I believe, is The Vine in Ware

If this is true, (which it might not be as there seems to be much speculation about the BP hotel at the moment!) you can see what The Vine in Ware is like by looking on www.brightleisure.co.uk. It looks rather nice.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Evil on August 11, 2006, 04:57:45 pm
The new owners of the BPH also own The Vine in Ware.  I know that for a fact.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Editor on August 11, 2006, 05:55:03 pm
Thanks Evil,

If that is true, that could be good news for real ale fans.

I just rang the Vine in Ware  (http://www.brightleisure.co.uk/)and found out that they currently have the following on handpump.

Hop Back Summer Lightening - (click here for beer details (http://www.hopback.co.uk/brands.html))
Greene King Abbot Ale - (click here for beer details (http://www.abbotale.co.uk/))
Deuchars IPA - (click here for beer details (http://www.caledonian-brewery.co.uk/ipa_home.html))

I also discovered that the Vines is non-smoking, which would make a nice change.

David

Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Evil on August 14, 2006, 09:31:28 am
Apparantely the new look BPH won't be much like The Vine in Ware except that it will be non-smoking.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: ADM on August 14, 2006, 09:44:02 am
'Good news for real ale fans' would imply that the beers would be served in good condition.  Without wishing to comment on previous performance, that's a pretty big assumption to make.

I hope they are, but I'm not holding my breath.

Non-smoking would be good, I agree.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Evil on August 14, 2006, 09:49:56 am
I don't think Mr Brewer meant it that way.  Examples of real ale are 'Old Speckled Hen', 'Abbot', 'Hook Norton' etc.  I think he just meant ale fans would have a larger selection to choose from than they did at the Brookmans.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Editor on August 14, 2006, 09:51:47 am

Non-smoking would be good, I agree.


Roll on the time when all pubs are no smoking. It's getting colder sitting outside my favourite local these days to avoid the smoke inside.


I don't think Mr Brewer meant it that way.  Examples of real ale are 'Old Speckled Hen', 'Abbot', 'Hook Norton' etc.  I think he just meant ale fans would have a larger selection to choose from than they did at the Brookmans.


Hi Evil,

I agree, choice is a good start, but ADM is right, how the beer is kept is all important. Let's hope they get the combination right.

David
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: John_fraser on August 14, 2006, 10:00:57 am
And so starts the sandal wearing, beard sprouting, real ale, real men, pretentious conversation…
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: peppermint on August 14, 2006, 04:42:07 pm
Well John, that is a sweeping generalisation if ever I heard one!
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: John_fraser on August 14, 2006, 05:28:42 pm
Strictly speaking, it isn’t. It’s a remark limited to the conversation I expect to follow. I didn’t say that real ale drinkers are pretentious sandal wearers with beards a flock of black birds could (and probably do) nest in. Although having said that, the description does seem to cover a surprising large percentage of real ale drinkers (regardless of gender).
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Editor on August 14, 2006, 05:59:21 pm

Although having said that, the description does seem to cover a surprising large percentage of real ale drinkers (regardless of gender).


And then there will always be the odd one to screw the theory and mess up the percentages, mind you, he could have sandals on.

 ;)

(http://www.brookmans.com/charlie.jpg)
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: John_fraser on August 14, 2006, 06:32:51 pm
No beard, but only due to an ingrowing chin and I think I should get double points for pretentious.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Editor on August 14, 2006, 06:42:18 pm
He's not let the beer settle either, either that or it's a bad pint.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Mary_Morgan on August 15, 2006, 11:22:42 am
I am wearing sandals, but certainly do not have a beard.

HRH is not actually drinking the beer.  The rim of the glass is above his top lip.  Perhaps he is smelling the hops, and waiting for it to settle.    He was probably so busy that he never got a chance to drink it before he moved on to his next engagement.

With the BPH closed, where do I go for a drink when I come home in September?

Cheers
Mary
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Abbot on August 15, 2006, 08:52:09 pm
The Off Licence and the Green spring to mind!! :icon_jokercolor:
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Aidan Winwood on August 16, 2006, 10:05:24 am
I've got a picnic bench out the back of my flat Mary, and some of the decorations from the 'old' BPH, so it would look quite similar through squinted / drunk eyes.

Anyway Mary, it's not just the venue it's the company.  And we need to find a place where the freedom to light up has not been extinguished...

A
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Mary_Morgan on August 17, 2006, 01:09:54 pm
Abbot - did that 40 years ago.  Think the damp from the grass might play havoc with the arthritis now. ;D

Aidan - thanks I will come round and sit at your picnic bench in September. ;)  "freedom" doesn't exist any more.  I am going to invest in some thermal underwear and a large umbrella. 8)

M
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Editor on August 17, 2006, 01:26:32 pm

 "freedom" doesn't exist any more.

M

Ah, Mary, but the freedom not to have to inhale second hand smoke must be a good thing.

 ;)
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Mary_Morgan on August 17, 2006, 03:48:05 pm
D - of course I agree it is a good thing :D  but it will restrict my freedom ;) Places you can and places you cannot would be better for all.

As a lifetime customer of the BPH, and witness to quite a few refurbs/changes, I will be interested to see how it turns out.

M
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Editor on August 17, 2006, 04:10:02 pm
I agree with you Mary, there should be a place where those who want to smoke, drink and natter can, and where those who want to drink and natter in a smoke-free environment can.

David
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: sasquartch on August 17, 2006, 04:18:37 pm
But it's not as simple as that is it ?

The current restrictions on smoking are as much to do with people who work in places like pubs and restaurants as the actual clientele

Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: John_fraser on August 17, 2006, 04:41:36 pm
Maybe there should be roads where people aren't allowed to drink and drive and roads where people who want to drink and drive are allowed to.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: pdb on August 18, 2006, 01:22:41 am
For Info : As of June 07, anywhere that serves food has to be no smoking as I believe.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Bob Horrocks on August 18, 2006, 11:07:04 am
Good job my wife has given up smoking!
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: pdb on August 23, 2006, 11:01:58 am
Have they started work on the hotel yet.  Any further news of what it will be
and when it will open.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: peppermint on August 23, 2006, 01:09:29 pm
I understood that the BPH was closing on 31st July for one month.   There doesnt seem to have been any activity there since it closed.   Will it be reopening at the end of August?
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Aidan Winwood on August 23, 2006, 02:03:26 pm
I have heard a reliable rumour that The Brookmans is shut for around 6 months, planning to open in mid-Feb 2007.

Cheers,
A
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Evil on August 24, 2006, 10:45:12 am
It's closed for at least 6 months!
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Mr Green on September 08, 2006, 10:41:49 am
I note that several parents use the hotel car park in the morning as a convenient place to park before walking their little ones to BP school. This appears a sensible solution to a congestion problem.

However there is a sign indicating that non-patrons will be clamped by LRS.

Does anyone know if morning parking is allowed or will they be lambs to the Denver boot slaughter?  :o
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Aidan Winwood on September 08, 2006, 10:45:09 am
Those LRS signs have been up for ages.  Ariel and Merissa let mothers park there, but I'm not sure how this works now there is no on site owner.

Would imagine it's safe though - not great marketing for the new owners if they let LRS clamp the cars of village scrummies.

A
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Peter Hastings on September 08, 2006, 07:11:31 pm
The previous owners had an express agreement with the school to allow school parking and indeed the school encouraged it to reduce congestion and increase exercise for children (and us unfit parents of course). I suppose technically that agreement has ended but I agree it would be pretty dumb to clamp someone on the school run when the place has no patrons anyway.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Gashead on September 11, 2006, 10:42:26 am
Are not "pretty dumb" and "private clamping company" synonymous? Seriously though, as a resident of Peplins Way I sincerely hope that the arrangement continues.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Peter Hastings on September 14, 2006, 04:40:33 pm
Noticed today for the first time that on the pub the names is spelt "Brookman's Park Hotel" with an apostrophe suggesting the park belongs to Brookman. Is this right and should both the pub and the village strictly have an apostrophe in the name??
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: sasquartch on September 14, 2006, 04:43:37 pm
As far as I know the apostrophe is incorrect.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Editor on September 14, 2006, 04:44:53 pm
Noticed today for the first time that on the pub the names is spelt "Brookman's Park Hotel" with an apostrophe suggesting the park belongs to Brookman. Is this right and should both the pub and the village strictly have an apostrophe in the name??

Hi Peter,

No, the pub sign is wrong. It's Brookmans Park, not Brookman's Park. Perhaps the new owners will change it.

David
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Peter Hastings on September 14, 2006, 09:53:18 pm
Thanks for that-bit of a silly mistake to make but still it's taken me five years to spot it!
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: pdb on October 03, 2006, 10:20:57 pm
Is anything happening at the hotel yet?
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: sasquartch on October 04, 2006, 09:21:57 am
The newsletter from the primary school has advised that using the car park as a drop-off point will soon have to cease - so presumably that means somethings about to happen.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Bob Horrocks on October 04, 2006, 11:14:32 am
Planning application S6/2006/1181/FP has been registered with Welwyn Hatfield Council.  It is to refurbish internally & externally with decking & seating area to the western & southern elevations, and alter the window to door to western elevation.  It was submitted by Brent Leisure.

The plans can been seen at the reception to WH Council Offices, The Campus, WGC, AL8 6AE located next to the Waitrose supermarket.

If you wish to make comments to the council it helps them if you quote their reference number.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Evil on October 04, 2006, 11:30:44 am
I've heard that the internal works will mean a bigger bar area and restaurant which will be seperate and have heard rumours of a 'wall of mirrors/glass'
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Aidan Winwood on October 04, 2006, 04:09:24 pm
I've heard:

Restaurant in the large room where events were previously - with more windows being put in for light.

Larger bar at the front (offices behind current bar being removed and bar moved back.

Cocktail bar in the old gobians room (the restaurant).



And I'm hoping the old pool room will be put back to it's previous usage, but I find this unlikely having been to the Vines that the new owners also own.

Aidan
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Gashead on October 04, 2006, 04:16:59 pm
There is a misprunt on the application - it was submitted by Bright Leisure. Googling on that gives a clearer idea of what we might expect. Also I believe the old restaurant is to become a tea-room with a posh wine-bar where the old pool room, office and toilets are/were. Possibly a couple of conservatories at the back. Seems to change every time someone comments.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Cassie on October 04, 2006, 04:29:41 pm
There is a misprunt  on the application - it was submitted by Bright Leisure. Googling on that gives a clearer idea of what we might expect. Also I believe the old restaurant is to become a tea-room with a posh wine-bar where the old pool room, office and toilets are/were. Possibly a couple of conservatories at the back. Seems to change every time someone comments.

.. what like that you mean?!!! ;) :)
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Bob Horrocks on October 04, 2006, 06:13:19 pm
Looking at the application form itself, the handwriting giving the applicant's name is none too clear.  It could be 'Bright Leisure' but I can understand why it was misread by the person at Welwyn Hatfield Council who typed up the list of planning applications.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Bob Horrocks on November 06, 2006, 11:30:59 am
On 1 November 2006 Welwyn Hatfield Council refused permission for the planning application no. S6/2006/1181/FP for various refurbishments, decking and seating area, and altering a front window to make it a door.  The reasons for refusal were:

The proposed raised decking area to the rear elevation would result in an unacceptable loss of amenity to the occupiers of neighbouring residential properties in Peplins Way. It is considered that its usage is likely to result in a level of noise that would be noticeably out of keeping with the customary quietude that currently exists in this residential location. Furthermore, the proposal would create potential overlooking to the rear private amenity gardens of neighbouring residential properties and in particular 1 & 3 Peplins Way.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Gashead on November 07, 2006, 12:21:16 pm
Can we have our pub back please?
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Aidan Winwood on November 07, 2006, 03:25:44 pm
Not sure whether this is within the rules of the forum (Dave?) but if it is then I'd like to open a sweepstake of when we're likely to get our pub back!  :o)

£1 to pick a week, and then the winner get the pot...

I reckon August bank holiday week  - 30th July to the 5th August...

:o)
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Abbot on November 07, 2006, 03:56:13 pm
Aidan, you didn't put a year.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: sasquartch on November 07, 2006, 09:56:32 pm
Errm, think you'll find August bank holiday week is at the end of the month. Unless possibly you're in Scotland. Which the BPH isn't.  ;D
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Aidan Winwood on November 08, 2006, 11:01:47 am
it might be by the time they finish rebuilding it... :)
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: sasquartch on November 08, 2006, 11:13:36 am
It seems amazing to me that someone buys a property like the BPH and instead of developing it immediately seems content to leave it lying idle for months and months before even deciding what to do with it.

Doesn't sound like good business to me  :o
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Bob Horrocks on November 08, 2006, 11:43:21 am
Some of the proposed changes were to comply with the recent Disability Access legislation, such as the new front door by conversion of a window in the central part of the front of the building.  That was also given as the reason for the decking in  the beer garden.

Like other writers, it puzzles me why they closed down the pub before getting planning permission, particularly in the run-up to Christmas which should have been a busy and profitable time.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: supersonic on November 08, 2006, 01:34:32 pm
Call me a cynic if you will, but it seems to me that the BPH site is a conveniently sized plot for a block of say six 'luxury' flats with room for off street parking, communal garden facilites, and well situated close to the station and shops.....

I wonder how long it will be before a planning application goes in??


supersonic
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Bob Horrocks on November 08, 2006, 05:15:33 pm
Rest easy, Supersonic.

The Council has just rejected an application to convert the ground floor offices behind 17-25 Bradmore Green (the parade from the Co-op to the barbers) into two flats. 

In any case, I have heard from various sources of a proposal for Green Close (between the BPH and railway line).  The rumour is to demolish the existing properties and erect 52 flats.   My guess is that the idea is to frighten everyone at the thought of 52 flats so we will be relieved when permission is sought for a lower number.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Gashead on November 09, 2006, 11:03:30 am
I heard similar to Bob, but that it was to be retirement flats a bit a la Potters Court outside Potters Bar station. Can't wait for that to be rejected as well as, amongst other things, there is no way there is the infrastructure to sustain a huge influx like that.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: sasquartch on November 09, 2006, 03:46:35 pm
Surely Green Close flats are individually privately owned ? - it would have to be with the agreement of all the residents to sell up.

Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Bob Horrocks on November 10, 2006, 05:02:20 pm
True and true, according to what I have heard. 

Presumably they have been made an offer which would be hard to refuse.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: peppermint on November 10, 2006, 09:07:10 pm
Hopefully, any flats built in Green Close will be for general sale and not only retirement flats (very lucrative for the builders).   We need more affordable housing for young people and I for one do not want Brookmans Park to become a suburb of the retirement flat capital of Hertfordshire (otherwise known as Potters Bar).
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Sherlock on November 12, 2006, 09:19:12 am
It seemds to me that whoever has Bought the Brookmans Park Hotel

Dosent seem to have any regard for the local community Surely just closing the local pub down whilst applying for planning isnt very neighbourly.

Some of the plans have been turned down alraeady

The village is now as dead as a doornail at night and no community meeting place to look forward to at Xmas

Any thoughts

 
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: John_fraser on November 12, 2006, 09:21:48 am
Am I the only one who thinks that the atmosphere at the pub is no worse now than it was before it closed down? ;D
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Gashead on November 13, 2006, 09:48:07 am
Yup, think you probably are.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: chicken legs on November 15, 2006, 07:55:08 pm
Am I the only one who thinks that the atmosphere at the pub is no worse now than it was before it closed down? ;D

No, you definitely are not.  We went in there one lunchtime shortly before it closed and made up our minds to give it a miss in future, which is fortunately really.  :)
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Editor on November 16, 2006, 06:02:01 am
Can we steer clear of commenting about the way recent owners ran the Brookmans Park Hotel, please? Most previous owners are still living in the community and some comments can be hurtful and damaging.

I am guilty myself in a post I made last night --- since removed.

Please feel free to continue to add information about what is going to happen next to the property. The forum seem to be the place where local residents are most likely to share information and find out about the Brookman Park Hotel's future.

Thanks

David
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: John_fraser on November 16, 2006, 12:08:05 pm
I never liked the pub, which I always felt had no atmosphere; mostly because the size and shape of the public area wasn’t conducive to atmosphere, rather than being the fault of the owners and staff. Maybe it was just me, because enough people liked it to keep it open, but I always felt a good family pub in the village would make a lot of money. But I think they would need to gut the building and start again.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: ADM on November 21, 2006, 10:57:37 am
Drinkable beer would be a good start.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Evil on November 21, 2006, 11:03:32 am
What makes me laugh is that everyone used to, and still do, complain about the pub but everyone still went in there to drink!  Hypocritical?  I think so!
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: ADM on November 21, 2006, 11:06:31 am
And if people criticised the pub but never went in, that would be wrong too.

You just can't please some people.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Evil on November 21, 2006, 11:11:51 am
Apart from at Christmas when they expected the pub to stay open for longer to accomodate their once a year visit!
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: sasquartch on November 21, 2006, 11:18:24 am
Quote
everyone still went in there to drink!  Hypocritical?  I think so!

The fact it was the only pub in the village may have had something to do with it.

Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Evil on November 21, 2006, 11:22:14 am
Can't people in Brookmans Park walk then?  If the pub was that bad they'd have made the effort to go somewhere else!
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: John_fraser on November 21, 2006, 11:31:21 am
I think we're getting a little off topic. It would be nice to see a pub in the village where I could get a nice meal on a Sunday afternoon, a posh meal on a Sunday evening and if it had a a family play area outside to keep the rug rats happy I probably visit more than once every eighteen months. As a lager drinker, the quality of the beer isn't too much of an issue.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Bob Horrocks on November 21, 2006, 12:11:49 pm
A new planning application was made last week for the BPH, see www.welhat.gov.uk, planning application ref S/2006/1529/AD.  It is for 'EXTERNALLY ILLUMINATED FASCIA PROJECTING AND DOUBLE SIDED SIGNS WITH NON-ILLUMINATED INDIVIDUAL LETTERS'. That's all I know about it at the moment.

John's request in the posting before this of mine sounds very reasonable to me.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Gashead on November 21, 2006, 03:49:15 pm
What makes me laugh is that everyone used to, and still do, complain about the pub but everyone still went in there to drink!  Hypocritical?  I think so!

Sorry, what's this "all" bit? Many of us enjoyed the place as it was, and as for people complaining about no atmosphere when they went in at lunch time, what were they expecting? It's a village pub, there aren't that many people clamouring to get in. Ever try it on a Friday evening? It had atmosphere aplenty.



Edited to fix colour tag - John
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Evil on November 21, 2006, 03:52:31 pm
I meant everyone as in 'everyone that complains'.  I also enjoyed the pub and am looking forward to it re-opening.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: John_fraser on November 21, 2006, 03:55:16 pm
I didn't say it had no atmosphere at lunch time. I found the atmosphere lacking at any time. But, good or bad, the old place is closed. I hope when it reopens it is a good place to visit. The sooner it opens the better IMHO.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Bob Horrocks on November 25, 2006, 05:16:53 pm
A new planning application was made last week for the BPH, see www.welhat.gov.uk, planning application ref S6/2006/1566/FP.  All I know about it at the moment is the description:

PROPOSED INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL ALTERATIONS INCLUDING NEW EXTERNAL DECKING TO THE WEST ELEVATION AND NEW ACCESS DOORS TO REPLACE WINDOWS IN THE SIDE (WEST) AND REAR (NORTH) ELEVATIONS

Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: John_fraser on December 07, 2006, 01:52:09 pm
I see that the carpark was fenced off thismorning and it looks like they are about to start work :)

Anyone know what they plan to do?
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Bob Horrocks on December 07, 2006, 04:34:10 pm
The drawings for the latest planning application - see my posting immediately before John's - show that it will be a pub restaurant with a Deli shop in the front room on the lefthand side.  If memory serves me right, it was an off-licence 15-20 years ago.

The entrance door will be what is currently the middle window of the central section of the front of the building.
 
The interior will be vastly different.  The plans do not show how it might be decorated but, if the design of the signage is anything to go by, it will be modern.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Max on December 10, 2006, 06:33:58 pm
If memory serves me right, it was an off-licence 15-20 years ago.

Memory serves you right(ish). It was an off-licence, but more like 35 years ago!

He said, feeling horribly old!
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Govvy on December 10, 2006, 07:18:58 pm
Next stop, Cock of the North, so who's up for a pint?
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: trade on December 13, 2006, 09:10:56 pm
Looks like there is work going on in the hotel now - does anyone know more details?
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Bob Horrocks on December 14, 2006, 10:03:22 am
The second planning application summarised above will not be decided upon until January or later.  The first one was refused about 7 weeks after the application was made.  This second one was made in late November.

In the meantime there is no reason why the internal alterations cannot go ahead since they are unlikely to need planning permission.  If there are any internal structural changes they may require building regulations approval.   

If the design of the signs for the Deli shop is any indicator, the decor should be very modern and very different from the existing decor. Apparently the owners have another pub in Ware so can anyone let us know something about that one?
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Evil on December 15, 2006, 09:44:24 am
Apparantely the new look Brookmans will not be like their pub in Ware.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: peppermint on December 21, 2006, 09:50:01 pm
I heard that there is going to be a deli/coffee shop in the room at the Green Close end of the building, a large bar area in the main central area and a V.I.P bar in the other front end of the building.  (I wonder who will frequent the V.I.P bar???)
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: ADM on December 22, 2006, 09:38:09 am
Varlets, inadequates and ponces, I suspect.

Mind you, if the beer's any good, I might be tempted...
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: sasquartch on December 22, 2006, 01:36:45 pm
I had no idea what a varlet is until I looked it up  :icon_jokercolor:

You may have a point though  :)
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Cassie on December 22, 2006, 01:46:42 pm
I thought ADM said Valet at first :)
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Editor on December 22, 2006, 03:29:13 pm
Varlets, inadequates and ponces

Interesting to see that an anagram of all three is ...

Pleasant sedative conquers

Kind of apt for a pub bar.

David
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Bob Horrocks on December 22, 2006, 04:56:14 pm
Peppermint is right - the plans  show the room at the front on the left as a Deli shop, and there will be a new sign for a Deli.  The plans are in the parish council office, but by memory the shop will be called the Oaklands Deli.

Dave - you must be bored to have spent goodness how long to work out that anagram!
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Cassie on December 22, 2006, 05:07:02 pm
Varlets, inadequates and ponces

Interesting to see that an anagram of all three is ...

Pleasant sedative conquers

Kind of apt for a pub bar.

David

I thought it was a VIP Bar!! ;) :icon_jokercolor:
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Editor on December 22, 2006, 05:16:22 pm
Dave - you must be bored to have spent goodness how long to work out that anagram!

It took two seconds. I used Anagram Genius (http://www.anagramgenius.com/server.html)

Interestingly, putting Brookmans Park Hotel in comes up with a prediction as to how the new hotel will be.

'Top-rank or OK shamble'

Word of warning, don't enter 'The Brookmans Park Hotel' in Anagram Genius (http://www.anagramgenius.com/server.html), or if you do, don't post the result here.

 :icon_jokercolor:
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Peter Hastings on December 22, 2006, 05:48:12 pm
What a clever site. Yes I see what you mean. Ahem!
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Cassie on December 22, 2006, 07:05:24 pm
Thanks for that link David - the only other one I've ever used, I had to register so like this one!
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Max on December 22, 2006, 08:14:26 pm
Damn! The Anagram Genius website is blocked by Total's security software. That means that I am going to waste the rest of the night trying to work out a dodgy anagram of "The Brookmans Park Hotel"!

Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Editor on December 22, 2006, 08:17:31 pm
Damn! The Anagram Genius website is blocked by Total's security software. That means that I am going to waste the rest of the night trying to work out a dodgy anagram of "The Brookmans Park Hotel"!



I'll IM you.

 ;)
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Cassie on December 22, 2006, 08:33:27 pm
I've just entered it too - very good!! :icon_jokercolor:
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: zorb on January 06, 2007, 07:58:11 pm
I see that the pub is now advertising for staff using the new logo 'Brookmans'.
I know this company.They have 3 other pubs and a fine wine shop.Really nice
setups and a good crowd to work for.  I guess the opening is going to be soon.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Mermaid on January 06, 2007, 07:59:45 pm


Hurrah!!   :D
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: John_fraser on January 07, 2007, 08:41:41 am
Does anyone know if it will still be a hotel when it reopens?
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Editor on January 07, 2007, 10:30:21 am
Does anyone know if it will still be a hotel when it reopens?

Wouldn't it be nice if the new owners were to submit a big fat news release stuffed with design mock-up pictures to the local website. I presume they know there is a website in the village and have read the speculation in the forum. The current Brookmans Park Hotel website  (http://www.brookmansparkhotel.co.uk/) doesn't give any clues and is months out-of-date.

If anyone from the hotel is interested in informing potential customers, and answering some of the questions raised in this site's forum (http://www.brookmans.com/forum/index.php?topic=1082.msg10977;topicseen#new), they can send details to this site by using the contacts form. (http://www.brookmans.com/contact.php)

Note: The thread about the Brookmans Park Hotel has always been in the top ten issues discussed in this site's forum, with more than 14,000 views and more than 165 replies.
 
David
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: zorb on January 07, 2007, 02:21:24 pm
It won't be a Hotel I am told.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Neville Hobbs on January 08, 2007, 07:05:10 pm
If it was going to be a sucessful estate agency, the owner would be on here publicising it all the time :)
Estate agents dont miss a publicity opportunity - lesser business folk do.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: ADM on January 09, 2007, 12:34:17 pm
Nev babes,

I don't think anyone is leasing it.

Carry on...
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Neville Hobbs on January 10, 2007, 08:56:44 am
Now I have corrected my typo (Mr Pickey) your posting doesnt make sense. ;)
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: ADM on January 10, 2007, 09:43:56 am
Mr Pickey (sic) here.

It's sense with an 's', Nev babes.

Don't you just hate pedants?  Don't start me on apostrophes...
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Neville Hobbs on January 10, 2007, 12:16:16 pm
Yawn.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Mallow on January 11, 2007, 12:09:25 pm
Mr Pickey (sic) here.


Ok I am going to show my ignorance.  English/Latin lesson required please.  What does sic. mean.  I know it is Latin and I know it's literal meaning but can never apply the literal meaning and make sense of the sentences I see it in.

 ???
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: ADM on January 11, 2007, 12:52:03 pm
sic 1   (sĭk)  Pronunciation Key     
adv.   Thus; so. Used to indicate that a quoted passage, especially one containing an error or unconventional spelling, has been retained in its original form or written intentionally.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Mallow on January 11, 2007, 02:28:51 pm
Thank you, I have never found anyone who could explain that before.

Enlightened  ;)
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Ferdie on January 11, 2007, 08:17:10 pm
'Sic' is Latin for 'so, thus'..... but far easier to remember, 'spelling incorrected' makes more sense in this modern world. However, back to the Brookmans...... looking forward to the village getting a pub back, maybe the odd quiz night may be in order?!!! :icon_scratch:
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: zorb on January 13, 2007, 07:03:26 pm
I can assure you these people will not be having quiz nights
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: zorb on January 27, 2007, 06:49:19 pm
Doesn't look like there is much work going on !!
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: sasquartch on January 30, 2007, 09:52:47 am
Have heard a rumour that the lauch date will be in time for Valentine's day ie before Feb 14th.

Anyone know any more ?
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Mr Green on January 30, 2007, 11:54:06 am
Yes I do,

This is the traditional day on which lovers express their feelings in the exchange of cards and gifts, often anonymously. It is apparently named after two Christian martyrs named Valentine.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: zorb on February 08, 2007, 10:20:43 pm
Doesn't look like it will be open for Valentines.
Anyone got an update.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: sasquartch on February 09, 2007, 09:40:31 am
Beginning of March I heard. But that's only a rumour.

What I find suprising is the complete absence of publicity. If I was running it I'd set up a website, have a big banner outside publicising the web address and provide information, advertise for staff and maybe even take advance orders - so far all there is is a notice with a mobile number advertising for staff.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: peppermint on February 09, 2007, 05:41:21 pm
A new sign has been put over the front "Brookmans".   The shop to the side of it is called "Oaks Delicatessen".   Inappropriate perhaps as they have recently removed the oak trees from outside the hotel.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Aidan Winwood on February 09, 2007, 05:44:16 pm
Now just 'Brookmans' - possibly because it's quicker to say in this high speed world we live in...   :)  Slower than 'BPH' though.

A
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Bob Horrocks on February 09, 2007, 05:51:36 pm
What about 'The Brookies' as it is known to locals?  Or maybe that could be confused with being a bookies?  No super casino in BP then.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Editor on February 09, 2007, 06:02:41 pm
What about 'The Brookies' as it is known to locals?  Or maybe that could be confused with being a bookies?  No super casino in BP then.

Too late, it's already up in large silver letters.

BROOKMANS

They'll be wanting a handy URL next.

 :)
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: zorb on February 10, 2007, 11:54:28 am
they already have one.

www.brookmans.org   

Still under construction
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: zorb on February 17, 2007, 02:42:14 pm
One of the owners is ex Chancellors. Good to see him doing business
locally.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Welham on February 19, 2007, 08:20:49 pm
I sincerely hope nobody is seriously intending to raise objections to the licensing hours applied for at the Brookmans Park Hotel. No party-pooper, no matter how avid could possibly want to restrict the opportunity to have such a nice facility open slightly longer on the odd occasion such as New Years Eve.

Better still ... why not petition the hotel for a Pimms hut dispensing to customers on the grass on a hot summer's day with a little live music thrown in for good measure and inject a little more positive spirit into this community instead.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Therock on February 20, 2007, 11:54:51 am
Well said Welham,I think that its time for this Lovely Village of our to come to terms with the modern world especially when it comes to entertainment.It would be nice to have somewhere  where we can meet socially and enjoy the music should they decide to have it. As you said Not everyday but on certain occasions and maybe 1-2 per month would keep everybody happy.

Lets use the place and keep our village happy because a lot more younger people are moving into the area which is a good thing so the Village should have a  BRIGHTER future.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: peppermint on February 22, 2007, 10:31:41 pm
Yesterday morning contractors working at the site hit an 11,000 volt cable severely burning one of their contractors while digging holes for the carpark posts.

EDF Energy arrived a couple of hours later and covered the hole.

Earlier this evening we  heard two explosions from the hole.   It would appear that water has got into the damaged cable and it has exploded.   We reported it to EDF Energy at 7pm.   At 10pm this evening a large explosion was heard and the fire brigade were called.   We contacted EDF Energy again to be told that they will be dealing with it later this evening!

Why have the contractors on site not taken responsibility for the problem as it happened 36 hours ago and there are aware of it.
They hadnt even fenced the area off.

The result of their negligence is that 70 houses in the village are without power this evening.

Just as well it didnt happen at 3pm when the children were leaving school.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: James Bentall on February 23, 2007, 06:58:09 am
Ah, that's where my power went...
If anyone from the new pub is reading thsi and wants to say sorry (think power was off for about 5 hours in all), do you think all of us affected will get a free drinky or two at the new pub? :)
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: sasquartch on February 23, 2007, 09:31:09 am
Our lights (Peplins) were flickering last night and thought it might be a cable shorting out. Luckily the power never completely failed although I did make sure I had torches in handy places throughout the night !
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: John_fraser on February 23, 2007, 10:18:18 am
You should ask for a complementary packet of crisps :)
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Mary_Morgan on February 25, 2007, 08:19:37 pm
Not sure where Welham and THEROCK are coming from

Lets use the place and keep our village happy because a lot more younger people are moving into the area which is a good thing so the Village should have a  BRIGHTER future

I moved into the area the day I was born = "young people" (a long time ago), had an immensely happy childhood in the village, spent a fair amount of time drinking and partying in the BPH, until I moved out of the area for sunnier climes  in 1999. 8)

Look forward to seeing you there when I come home on hols in June.  I will be the one sitting outside under the umbrella having a ciggie  :(

M
 
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Aidan Winwood on February 26, 2007, 02:44:14 pm
...talking to me who'll be having one too - will they be serving guinness though Mary?
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Mary_Morgan on February 26, 2007, 06:26:24 pm
Aidan, you are the advance party - if no glorious black stuff, will they have a decent beer not all this lager rubbish ;)

Otherwise as Edina & Patsy would say,a case of "Bolly" would do nicely ::) :-*M
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Big Red Daddy on February 28, 2007, 11:45:18 am
Any word on the opening yet? I'm starting to get a little thirsty!
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Gashead on March 01, 2007, 12:49:18 pm
12th March according to a well informed local source.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: zorb on March 02, 2007, 07:59:25 pm
There's invites going around the village for tasting days next week.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Evil on March 06, 2007, 04:16:05 pm
Was told by a member of staff at the pub that it should be opening on the 10th, don't know how accurate that is.

Also, they do sell Guiness - £3.20 a pint!
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: zorb on March 11, 2007, 12:47:33 pm
When is this place opening!!! Any updates
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: James Bentall on March 11, 2007, 01:44:41 pm
The deli is open now - can see it from here....

James
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Editor on March 11, 2007, 01:53:25 pm
Never mind the deli, what about the pub?

David
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: ADM on March 12, 2007, 08:57:00 am
Pub opens Wednesday, according to the nice man who was handing out free coffees and danishes this morning.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Evil on March 12, 2007, 10:08:02 am
I got told it should be opening today.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Kate Jones on March 12, 2007, 09:42:26 pm
Deli opened today, bar and restaurant deffo opening on Wednesday.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Evil on March 13, 2007, 10:00:09 am
Some kind of problem in the kitchen so I hear.  It was supposed to open Monday but due to this problem it'll now be Wednesday.  Even so, Monday was a strange day to plan to open anyway, surely a Friday night would've been better!
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Mermaid on March 13, 2007, 10:44:19 am

No, it makes sense. Most people can make a Friday night and therefore an opening on a Friday could see it absolutely jam-packed. Open during the week and there'll be more of a steady flow, giving the bar and kitchen time to acclimatise.

Can't wait   :D
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Evil on March 13, 2007, 10:47:01 am
Whatever day it opens it will be packed as everyone wants to see it!  Experienced publicans & staff should be able to handle any amount of people!
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Gashead on March 14, 2007, 11:57:30 am
Yes? No?
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Mermaid on March 14, 2007, 12:09:39 pm


Big notice outside saying "Open Now"   :D

Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Evil on March 14, 2007, 12:16:37 pm
At last, a pub in the village again (breathes sigh of relief).  Now we've just got to sample it!
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: zorb on March 14, 2007, 06:23:15 pm
It ain't no pub no more!!
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Cassie on March 14, 2007, 08:50:34 pm
It ain't no pub no more!!

Three negatives! - does that = a negative then?
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Mermaid on March 14, 2007, 10:33:05 pm
It ain't no pub no more!!

No, it's not ! What a difference! What a transformation!

We had a super evening   :D
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Heliczer on March 15, 2007, 03:53:31 pm
Imaginative and fabulous - any previous fears were totally cast aside last night.  Beautifully and thoughtfully designed throughout.  Congratulations on providing something so beneficial for Brookmans Park.  I sincerely hope that it is the financial success it deserves to be.  :icon_jokercolor:
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: jazzman on March 15, 2007, 04:31:07 pm
It ain't no pub no more? I guess not....What it is now is a fantastic, spacious, beautifully laid out, smoke-free meeting place where, last night, I took my wife, met friends and had an altogether fab time. Since, in my view, it used to be a grubby little gaff with surly service and indifferent beer, bring it on I say!!!

Good luck to the Brookmans and all who sail in her....
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Editor on March 15, 2007, 04:50:18 pm
Agreed, it was nice to see so many old pals last night. Great improvement, although I thought the beer was a bit warm. I am told they are working on that.

I will be locking this thread shortly because it is mainly related to the old Brookmans Park Hotel, which no longer exists in that form. The thread will remain visible as an archive of the previous discussions.

If anyone wants to start a new thread about the Brookmans, please do, but also please remember that the forum rules state that there should be no recommendations posted and that anything negative about any local service needs to be taken up with those running the business and not posted here.

David
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Abbot on March 15, 2007, 06:58:52 pm
Was the "Great improvement" that the Beer was only a "bit Warm".
Or that you saw "so many old pals".
Or ..........



I had better get off the computer and pop in, (get a life!!)


Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Neville Hobbs on March 16, 2007, 06:51:33 pm
The old place has changed considerably - for the better I might add.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: zorb on March 20, 2007, 10:28:39 am
Has anyone eaten there yet?
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Editor on March 20, 2007, 10:59:28 am
Hi Zorb,

We don't encourage recommendations or criticism of local services on the site. Such a facility could be too easily exploited. If you are asking for feedback on the food at Brookmans it is best if you invite people to send you a message using the site's instant messaging system.

Cheers

David
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: shelfsidelower on March 22, 2007, 11:27:52 pm
evening all.. 1st post on here. the hotel was one of my locals along with the woodman and the sibthorpe. quite fascinating reading posts by people i probably know by face! my good lady wife and me popped down the brookmans on saurday before meeting friends in nolitas for a meal. i had a swift half in there on the way back from work about 7ish tonight. the place is fantasticly done. very classy. but i will miss going in there wearing jeans and a casual shirt, having a few lazy, relaxing beers and having a chat with roger, marissa and ariel. most people this evening were quite well dressed and i felt a bit self concious enjoying a quick beer while waiting for shane and the boys to rustle me up a ruby. as i say, a fantastic place.. i just worry that its not the sort of place where i can go and catch up with all the people, and very nice people at that, who i havent seen since july 06. i know admin wants positive views only. i understand that. i just miss what was..
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Editor on March 23, 2007, 06:52:42 am
Hi shelfsidelower,

Welcome to the forum.

Regarding positive and negative posts, you wrote...

i know admin wants positive views only. i understand that. i just miss what was..

That's not exactly the case. The forum rules are there to prevent defamation, and that goes for any local service.

In order to be consistent we try to encourage people to steer clear of recommendations or criticism of local businesses. Otherwise, the forum could be used for commercial gain and we could end up in legal bother, and we don't want that.

By the way, if you liked the pub as it was you might like to have a look at the pictures of the old bar in the days when Martin Chivers ran it.

Click here (http://www.brookmans.com/galleries/oldbar/index.shtml) for a few pictures taken on the last night before the refurbishments in November 2000.

David
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: shelfsidelower on March 23, 2007, 11:08:30 am
thanks for your reply david.. those old photos have made me slightly emotional!! happy day they were..
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Mary_Morgan on March 23, 2007, 01:12:33 pm
Anyone know where Roger has gone to?

M
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: John_fraser on March 23, 2007, 01:56:53 pm
The gold club I believe.

Does anyone know the number of the restaurant?
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Mermaid on March 23, 2007, 02:51:05 pm


Yes, Roger's at the Golf Club.

John - which restaurant do you want the number for?
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: zorb on March 26, 2007, 08:40:10 pm
Brookmans Number is 01707 664144
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: John_fraser on March 27, 2007, 09:46:20 am
Thanks
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: shelfsidelower on April 03, 2007, 01:59:15 am
had a beer in there last sunday with a few friends. didnt eat. had a good time but i think that was more to do with the company i was in than anything else. i've always been a conservative chap and dont really like change.. so maybe brookmans will grow on me, but at the moment i find it a bit stuffy, a bit snobby and the bar staff  a bit pompous. if we could get roger, marrissa and arial back, martin aswell, tomorrow, then i would.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Bob Horrocks on April 03, 2007, 12:30:21 pm
If nostalgia rules then maybe Martin Chivers should perform an official opening ceremony.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: zorb on April 17, 2007, 11:03:49 am
They now have furniture outside the front.
It was a really nice atmosphere out there in this
lovely weather. Reminded me of the old days.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: shelfsidelower on April 18, 2007, 03:01:56 am
zorb.. were many of the old regulars there when you went? i've been 5 times now and have only bumped into 1 or 2 people i knew from the "hotel" days.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: James Bentall on April 19, 2007, 07:18:56 pm
ok - looking out of my window at a couple of ladies doing baton twirling with live, lit firey batons outside the Brookmans.

Looks like a private event, but obviously missing something good here!

James
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Editor on April 19, 2007, 08:22:07 pm
ok - looking out of my window at a couple of ladies doing baton twirling with live, lit firey batons outside the Brookmans.

Looks like a private event, but obviously missing something good here!

James

Could it be a BBQ gone wrong and the kebabs caught fire, it happens you know.

David
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Cassie on April 20, 2007, 08:35:27 am

ok - looking out of my window at a couple of ladies doing baton twirling with live, lit firey batons outside the Brookmans.

Looks like a private event, but obviously missing something good here!

James

Could it be a BBQ gone wrong and the kebabs caught fire, it happens you know.
David

I thought that was only because men did the cooking! ;)
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Gashead on April 20, 2007, 12:04:05 pm
Private party note. Closed to anyone else. So much for the promise to look after the locals. Thought that was a load of puff.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: sasquartch on April 20, 2007, 01:28:19 pm
Think the Brookmans regularly had private parties in the back room
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Gashead on April 23, 2007, 09:14:28 am
Indeed it did, it was their main source of revenue I believe. They never closed the entire pub to hold them as far as I know.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: tigger on May 14, 2007, 09:58:18 pm
Private party note. Closed to anyone else. So much for the promise to look after the locals. Thought that was a load of puff.

After last night - Jermaine Defoe - (think he plays for some third rate football team in North London) - had his enagement party there - I think you could be right. Locals welcome except when premiership footballers wish to attend?

Still BP on the map - if you look at the second photo here:

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/showbiz/article-23396211-details/Chelsea's+Cole+asks+his+WAG+to+be+his+wife/article.do

You can make out the roof of the URC church in the background.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Gashead on May 15, 2007, 05:00:17 pm
Somewhat surprised to encounter the 52 seater coach that had delivered a load of the guests parked at the top of Peplins Way on Sunday evening. Walking around the corner was possible but any kind of vehicle didn't stand a chance. Any good reason why it couldn't have been put in the pub carpark? Ah, that would be less space for all the posermobiles which might otherwise, God forbid, have been out of sight in the station carpark.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: kay barnes on May 15, 2007, 07:05:54 pm
THe noise from that party was horrendous.  I got no sleep till 3.30 a.m.  Monday.  When the party finished, the guests thought it appropiate to hoot shout bang car doors and toot horns.
I hope this isnt going to be a regular thing. 
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: sasquartch on May 15, 2007, 09:16:12 pm
Kay

I hope you have the let the management know.

It is in their interests not to upset the locals as this could ultimately affect what sort of licence they get.

It's a shame people, whatever the occasion, can't be more considerate to others.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Max on May 16, 2007, 09:49:53 am
Hi all! Haven't been around much (at all, actually), due to an aggravating new blocking policy on my work PC, now happily a thing of the past! Looking forward to trying out the new Brookmans when making my annual pilgrimage in mid June!
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Editor on May 16, 2007, 02:31:43 pm
Hi all! Haven't been around much (at all, actually), due to an aggravating new blocking policy on my work PC, now happily a thing of the past! Looking forward to trying out the new Brookmans when making my annual pilgrimage in mid June!

Hi Max,

If you are making a trip from the Gulf expecting a pint at the Brooky do check first to make sure it's not booked out for a private do.

David
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: sasquartch on May 16, 2007, 03:22:59 pm
Max

And make sure you bring enough money with you.

And your car must be at least as prestigious as a '55 plate Range Rover or better.....preferably some sort of Ferrari or Lamborghini.

 ;)
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: colinr on May 17, 2007, 01:51:02 pm


It is in their interests not to upset the locals as this could ultimately affect what sort of licence they get.


Forgive me but isn’t the point of having a business to promote and build your reputation if you can. As well as make a profit?

In this case encourage a millionaire footballer and his team mates to come in and spent £30k + in one evening, that’s good business.

I suppose if Jude Law or Daniel Craig wanted to book the local Indian restaurant for a party some local BP residents, who once in a blue moon have a curry, would get offended by the fact “Locals” are excluded from the event, and they can’t park their cars (walk to the village reduce your carbon footprint) because of the 007 Aston Martin.

I think that if we really want to be supported by our local facilities lets use “all” of them and support them. I personally found the old Brookmans a cold bland and unfriendly place, what has now replaced it is a business that will promote itself as well as Bookmans Park.

Who knows perhaps  our properties value will benefit from this new found celebrity status and before long we will have even more Beverly Hills types frequenting our shops and making an offer for our houses . Heaven forbid………

I am posting this rant tongue in cheek so please don’t start a diatribe on this forum. life is to short, and I am off for a curry before Ozzie Osbourne gets all the tandoori bats.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Bob Horrocks on May 17, 2007, 03:54:41 pm
A curry at 1.51 pm?  Heaven help your gastic system.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: sasquartch on May 17, 2007, 04:24:52 pm
colinr - you are of course right that it is good business to host functions where perhaps £30k might be spent.

However, if they upset locals to the point where they can no longer get a late licence surely that's BAD business ???
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: James Bentall on May 17, 2007, 04:55:02 pm
Living as I do almost opposite a pub, which was there when I bought my property, I think it would be unreasonable to never expect any noise or disturbance from it. And I'm sure the benefits of having a pub within walking distance for most locals outweights the disadvantages...

However, there is a time or a place. Friday or Saturday evenings - fair enough - it's the weekend the majority of people are probably out anyway - what's the problem?

Monday morning at 3am, when quite a lot of the houses surrounding the pub will have people trying to get a bit of shuteye before a long and stressful day at work - that's a different matter. Personally speaking, had the event happened 24 hours earlier, I wouldn't have minded a bit. As it was, did find concentration a tad difficult during the day on Monday..

James
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: JESB on May 17, 2007, 07:11:55 pm
 I must admit we were locals for many years (20) in fact, but now feel so pushed out from the pub that we are now going to the cock o' north instead.  It seems as you say an environment for the outsider and I had hoped that it would not encourage undesirables.  We moved into the village 20 years ago because of the village atmosphere.  We could get the poser pubs and clubs working in the city, but did not want to have it follow us home.  It could be sadly the ruin of the village atmosphere we have all fought hard to keep.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: shelfsidelower on May 18, 2007, 09:39:42 pm
i agree with JESB.  i personally dont think the people who own/run the brookmans give a monkeys about the locals. why shut the place down on a sunday for a private function and deprive the local community of a place to socialise? cock of the north?.. fair enough.. but its driving distance for most and when i go out i like a bit more than the recommended breatherliser limit! i've met the mnagement in there on numerous occasions and find them very, if not too, professional and very formal and insencere. their persona is very similar to their establishment.. cold, pompous and uncharacteristic.. sorry.. just my honest opinion.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Rellim on May 18, 2007, 10:22:10 pm
Think you'll see attitudes change when the "novelty" crowd start to disappear. On the noise front, last time I spoke to "the Management" they were talking of having live music until later.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: zorb on May 19, 2007, 06:37:20 pm
Quote
i've met the mnagement in there on numerous occasions and find them very, if not too, professional and very formal and insencere. their persona is very similar to their establishment.. cold, pompous and uncharacteristic.. sorry.. just my honest opinion.
I"ve met them numerous times too. I find them professional and friendly and do a great job of running a great venue. Much better than any of the boring hovles around here. Bring it on Brookmans!!


Edited to fix broken tag
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: kay barnes on May 19, 2007, 06:38:53 pm
I sincerly hope you are wrong about this.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: zorb on May 19, 2007, 07:40:34 pm
Tell me somewhere better within 10 miles
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: shelfsidelower on May 19, 2007, 08:16:10 pm
it depends on what you like. its all about opinions. i dont expect everyone to agree with me. i was just giving my opinion on it. you obviously like it.. good for you.. i dont.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Editor on May 19, 2007, 10:55:05 pm
Hi folks,

I guess some will love the new Brookmans, some will have reservations, and others might dislike it.

Subjective evaluations of the staff and the services, both good and bad, are probably best raised with the management rather than being aired in a public forum.

I think it's fair to discuss issues that affect people living nearby, such as closing times and the behaviour of guests as they spill out, but please don't use this forum to slag off or praise.

David
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: flw67 on May 20, 2007, 08:58:58 pm
Have found management very friendly and accomodating and believe pub is vast improvement. I believe this is an asset to the village , not entirely to my taste , would prefer a bit of a warmer "gastropub". But the great thing is if you don't like it you don't have to go, hence reading previous posts I'm amazed Brookmans before wasnt filled to the rafters every night instead of the few quiet souls around the bar waiting for next Skysports game and the dated menu. Please lets get behind new management and stop all the sniping at what cars the clientelle drive, makes us as village look quite small and petty.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Bob Horrocks on May 21, 2007, 10:45:58 am
The  first planning application was refused because of concerns about reduced privacy for residents in Peplins Way & Green Close.  When a revised application was made, the parish council expressed concerns at the likely noise impact on neighbours.  Presumably Welwyn Hatfield Council felt that enough changes had been made to minimise the effect on neighbours. 

When the application was made for a new licence, WH Council would have found it difficult to refuse simply on the grounds of potential nuisance.  The parish council tried that line unsuccessfully when the current licencing laws came into effect and lots of applications were made for longer hours.  The parish council was told it was not valid grounds for objection.

If any noise and nuisance becomes too bad then affected residents should complain to WH Council - the licencing authority.    Residents would most likely have to produce a record of the number of occasions, time, etc when they considered the nuisance to be too much.  No doubt the council would contact the management but if the nuisance continues at an unacceptable level then the licence is not irrevocable. 

Obviously the owners have spent a fortune on the place and displayed a huge imagination to achieve what they have done to the place.  They need to get their money back and are not competing for the 'Chef and Brewer' type of trade.  Judging by the numer of cars outside, there seems to be sufficient business to keep Nolita and the Brookmans in business at this higher end of the market.  Good luck to them.  Like the previous commentor, it is not where I would choose to go, but that also applied to its previous incarnation.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Birch on May 21, 2007, 04:17:42 pm
Does the Brookmans do food?
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Bob Horrocks on May 21, 2007, 04:34:32 pm
Yes
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: kay barnes on July 17, 2007, 12:07:11 pm
once again I have been kept awake all night by the loud noise from the brookmans. They were having ANOTHER party.  They give no consideration to their neighbours.  Having had no sleep all night on Sunday night Monday morning because of the noise, I was forced to get dressed and go there to shout up the open windows, in order to get any peace.  this is becomming unbearable.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Carrie on July 17, 2007, 12:35:58 pm
I quite agree.  And due to lack of space in the car park when there are parties etc, people are parking in the street which is equally disruptive. 
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: sasquartch on July 17, 2007, 01:04:44 pm
Have you officially complained ?

It is possible the management is unaware a problem exists.

I would suggest sending a letter to them stating your grievances and also to contact the council, I believe there is someone responsible for noise abatement.

Brookmans Park is a residential area and businesses should take this into account. There will be a time when the Brookmans needs to renew its licence and if the council receives sufficient complaints it may well affect any decision. However it needs to have a record of these, hence the importance of putting things down in writing. The Brookmans also needs an opportunity to work with neighbours to find a solution.



Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: kay barnes on July 18, 2007, 10:38:19 pm
Ofcourse I have made an official complaint about this issue.  I had a phone call from the Envirmental department yesterday, to say they had payed a visit there.  They were told that  the staff had held a party (which was not allowed) on Sunday night.  I hope this will not occur again.  I have been living happily in the village for over 30years and have never encountered problems like this before.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Bob Horrocks on July 20, 2007, 05:53:29 pm
I suggest that Kay Barnes contacts the licencing department.  That is likely to be the more correct section of the council since they can take away the licence if it is abused.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: kay barnes on July 21, 2007, 09:31:20 am
Kay

I hope you have the let the management know.

It is in their interests not to upset the locals as this could ultimately affect what sort of licence they get.

It's a shame people, whatever the occasion, can't be more considerate to others.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: kay barnes on July 21, 2007, 09:35:58 am
Once again,  Ive been kept awake by the loud music from the Brookmans.  I can only assume that they are "thumbing their noses" at the complaints so far.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Bob Horrocks on July 21, 2007, 04:09:32 pm
Keep on at the Welwyn Hatfield Council licencing officer.  Copy your letters to the management of the Brookmans.  Ask your neighbours to write. 

Contact the local policewoman.

Be a nuisance.  Their licence can be taken away.

The original planning application for the refurbishment of the hotel was refused because of the potential nuisance to neighbours, particularly in Peplins Way.  The changes made to the amended plans were supposed to have remedied the nuisance.  Presumably the windows of the Brookmans are open because of the summer warm evenings, letting the noise escape.  That should have been considered by the planning department and also by the licencing department. 
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Cassie on July 22, 2007, 04:51:55 pm
Once again,  Ive been kept awake by the loud music from the Brookmans.  I can only assume that they are "thumbing their noses" at the complaints so far.

Kay, I just thought that next time it happens, you could post something here and some of us could wander down and hear the noise for ourselves
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: James Bentall on July 22, 2007, 05:03:08 pm
The noise on Friday night was from a live jazz band (even worse.. can't stand jazz music!) I did ring them about 12:50am and spoke to one of the bar staff - the music stopped about 10 mins later - whether through me commenting, or cos it was due to stop then anyway I'm not too sure. A friend of mine has told me this jazz group are going to be there about once a month or so on a Friday evening, so if you know when they are next going to be there....

James
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: kay barnes on July 23, 2007, 03:19:07 pm
Hi Cassie,  I will try but as my pc is in the same room  where my husband sleeps (he is suffering from an attack of gout at the moment), this may not be posiable
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: shelfsidelower on September 29, 2007, 10:08:29 pm
i posted in may about my dislike of the new brookmans.. well i have to say that over the last few months the place has grown on me and after a fantastic night in there last night (sandwiching a fantastic ruby in the methi), i have to say that i stand corrected and admit i was wrong and that the brookmans is indeed a fine watering establishment.. so much so that i've arranged to meet a few old pals in there tomorrow night! bottoms up... shelfsidelower...
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Sherlock on November 03, 2007, 05:50:25 pm
Shelflover i agree with all of your comments  the place has grown on me too However i do feel that the business Does not seem to have any recognition of  local village community Surlely a long term error??  When all the 4x4s leave for another new venue !!!

Come on Brookmans how about a little bit of local spirit  !!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: kay barnes on November 03, 2007, 10:48:54 pm
i couldnt agree more.
I feel that no consideration has been given to any neighbours.
the noise from the Brookmans on a friday night is unbelievable.  I have lived next door to the building for over 30 years and consider myself a reasonable neighbour but think Our feelings have been totally disreguarded.  The noise from there is totally unexceptabte, especially on a friday night!!!!
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Sherlock on November 04, 2007, 10:06:40 pm
Kay i hope your reporting this to the local licensing authority if its that bad !!!!!  Surely the Village dosent need that level of noise  Quietness is surely the attraction of living in this Rural community

Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Bob Horrocks on November 05, 2007, 04:44:20 pm
On page 13 of the Chancellor's Community Newsletter currently being distributed, there is an article by the owners of the Brookies.  They say they have 'focused heavily on neighbourhood comments and have tried hard to apply your feedback and to determine what best serves the business and residential community as a whole'.  They continue  by saying 'that the learnihg process is something we continue to place at the forefront of our operating policy'.

Maybe Kay should take her copy of the Newsletter round to the pub (if I can use such a term for the place!) and have a word with them.

Failing that, Sherlock's suggestion sounds good to me.  And I live nowhere near the place   ::)
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Bunny on November 08, 2007, 05:50:40 pm
I live across the road from the pub.  When i moved here i realised their may be some associated noise from the pub, I think if you  live next to a pub you must also accept you will hear some noise.  I am not accepting that we have to put up with noise into the early wee hours though.  A sensible approach must be addopted.  I was sitting outside the old Brookmans one summer evening, when a complaint about noise was phoned in from a local which was completely crazy, as we were told to talk more quietly!!!, we were actually drinking with the old owners, us pub goers we also have rights as well. 
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Editor on November 08, 2007, 08:56:37 pm

On page 13 of the Chancellor's Community Newsletter currently being distributed, there is an article by the owners of the Brookies.  They say they have 'focused heavily on neighbourhood comments and have tried hard to apply your feedback and to determine what best serves the business and residential community as a whole'.  They continue  by saying 'that the learnihg process is something we continue to place at the forefront of our operating policy'.


Hi Bob,

Seems there are quite a few advertorials (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advertorial) in this issue of the Chancellor's Newsletter. I don't remember seeing so many before.

The quotes you highlighted (above) are from an advertorial promoting the Brookmans, rather than from an objective piece of journalism addressing the community concerns expressed in this forum.

(I know you know that, Bob, but those reading the quotes and not reading the Chancellor's newsletter might not).

 :)

David

Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Sherlock on November 10, 2007, 05:19:27 pm
Has everyone seen what the Brookmans is charging to have a pint on new years eve???   £65:00   

But you do get a glass of Champagne and a Canope

Cmon Brookies were not all Millionaires   I dont think your trying to hard with your  local village policy
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: JESB on November 16, 2007, 04:23:40 pm
I agree with previous comments, although we live in Moffats and  do not have the inconveninece of the noise, but we do have other problems from traffic, but that's another story. We do however frequent the Raj/Jade  on a regular basis I feel no compulsion to visit the Brookmans before hand as we used to for a drink or to meet friends before a curry or chinese.  It is too noisy, expensive and uncomfortable. It has lost the village atmosphere - yes I know the old Brookies was not perfect, but at least you felt able to pop in for a drink before a meal. Now you can't hear yourself think and feel intimidate by bouncers on the door apart from needing a bank loan to buy a drink. Its a sad reflection on the times we live in I'm afraid and a reflection of the way the village is going, all show and no substance. When the flash money and flash cars have moved on to the next venue, how will they feel then, probably sell up to a developer and build flats! ::)
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Angel on November 16, 2007, 04:42:37 pm
I agree with previous comments, although we live in Moffats and  do not have the inconveninece of the noise, but we do have other problems from traffic, but that's another story. We do however frequent the Raj/Jade  on a regular basis I feel no compulsion to visit the Brookmans before hand as we used to for a drink or to meet friends before a curry or chinese.  It is too noisy, expensive and uncomfortable. It has lost the village atmosphere - yes I know the old Brookies was not perfect, but at least you felt able to pop in for a drink before a meal. Now you can't hear yourself think and feel intimidate by bouncers on the door apart from needing a bank loan to buy a drink. Its a sad reflection on the times we live in I'm afraid and a reflection of the way the village is going, all show and no substance. When the flash money and flash cars have moved on to the next venue, how will they feel then, probably sell up to a developer and build flats! ::)

Totally agree with you but I think we are in a minority
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: kay barnes on November 16, 2007, 06:19:50 pm
I couldnt agree more.
I had to laugh when I read in Chancellors about how they cared about their neighbours feelings.  Thats certainly not how I've experienced it as a neighbour.  I dread every friday night, as I know I will be deprived of my sleep,  once again.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: saffie on November 18, 2007, 03:54:50 pm
I was appalled at what happened in Brookmans on Friday night, the police were even called at one point early in the morning to seperate a fight. 

I think the whole DJ thing needs to be stopped it seems to encouraging the wrong sort of people, only intent on causing trouble.

Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: sasquartch on November 19, 2007, 03:37:52 pm
Kay - I'm assuming that you have formally complained to the Brookmans - have you ever received any response ?

Have you made any approaches to the Environmental Health people (or whoever at the council is responsible for noise) and has any action been taken ?

It seems this is a continuing problem for close neighbours.

Also I would agree with the comments above by JESB, I don't feel the Brookmans is part of the community, despite being physically located in the heart of the village.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: kay barnes on November 19, 2007, 06:38:49 pm
I have indeed done all  of your suggestions.  I get lots of empty promises but very little actions.
I have been a neighbour of the Brookmans Park Hotel for 33years.  I have always had good relations with them until now.
The music nights are the bigest problem.  I think they are attracting a very different croud.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: shelfsidelower on November 27, 2007, 12:13:00 am
nolitas had a problem with a bad type of clientel recently. theyve stopped large groups of male-only crowds going in now. i was in nolitas on saturday night and its obvious that the doormen are deflecting people who they wont let in, down to the brookmans.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: GGDT on November 30, 2007, 02:50:05 pm
I went in the Brookmans a couple of times when it was first re-opened and thought it was ok.

Last Friday I went in for the first time in a couple of months and it was like drinking in Essex :o

The clientele now seems to consist of stocky balding 40 something blokes flashing their money about and a selection of wannabe WAG's!

It struck me as the sort of place premiership footballers and reality tv 'celebrities' would feel at home.

Also how come the council have missed out on the money making opportunity they now have in BP every weekend? Cars abandoned on yellow lines and pavements all over the village centre. If they sent a couple of traffic wardens round they'd make a fortune!!
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: kay barnes on November 30, 2007, 06:43:08 pm
You may like to know that the police are well aware of the situation at the Brookmans, as they have had to be called out on quite a few occaisons th stop fights in the early hours of Friday/Sat mornings. :o
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: zorb on December 01, 2007, 02:11:38 am
Just had a great night at the Brookmans. New door staff. Really nice crowd.
Everyone getting in the Christmas spirit.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Editor on December 01, 2007, 07:17:40 am
Just a reminder about the forum rules (http://www.brookmans.com/guidelines.shtml#defamation).

Recommending or criticising the services provided by local restaurants and businesses is not allowed under the forum rules. However, people are allowed to discuss the impact of a local business, such as the behaviour of people visiting (and leaving) the Brookmans, because that is in the public interest and is a local issue that has an effect on the lives of people living nearby.

David
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: James Bentall on December 01, 2007, 08:50:59 am
Just had a great night at the Brookmans. New door staff. Really nice crowd.
Everyone getting in the Christmas spirit.

Yes, I noticed whilst trying to get to sleep. Luckily, someone invented ear plugs....
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: zorb on December 01, 2007, 10:48:00 am
It wasn't a recommendation. Just my observation of the night.
I was highlighting the fact of new door staff and a much nicer
crowd with no trouble and people enjoying themselves.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Editor on December 01, 2007, 10:52:16 am
It wasn't a recommendation. Just my observation of the night.
I was highlighting the fact of new door staff and a much nicer
crowd with no trouble and people enjoying themselves.

Hi Zorb,

Check your messages and you will see the bit I edited out. The sentences I left, and which you refer to in your last post, are fine.

David
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: kay barnes on December 01, 2007, 11:55:32 am
If you think it was a lovely evening, you should try living next door to them.  Once again We were woken up at  1.am with the loud shouting door slam >:(ming and reving of high powered engines.  This continued until 2.30 a.m
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: John_fraser on December 01, 2007, 03:49:11 pm
Taken from the start of this thread:
Once the hotel gets this licence is there anything to stop them openning to 1am or 2am every night?

There’s already a developing problem with youths in the evening there and these people are being asked to take it on trust that the pub will not use its new licence to stay open any latter or more often than it currently does.

...if I lived closer to Bradmore Green I would seriously be considering objecting.


Just felt like saying "I told you so"
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: JESB on December 01, 2007, 04:53:09 pm
Sad as it may seem, it appears that this is the way the village is developing now - in this get rich quick have everything now society.   It used to be  the one thing that set Brookmans Park apart from the rest  that it was a village with a heart, and that is what we all loved about it.  It  is so close to the center of town, but managed to keep its identity.  Now unfortunately we have allowed the one thing that set us apart from the rest and therefore attracted people to settle here, to be lost to the very people we all wanted to get away from in the first place. If you see what I mean ::)
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: stevea on December 04, 2007, 06:45:39 am
Does anyone remember Disco Night back in the 70's in The Brookmans? They used to have the public bar,saloon bar and function room around the side. One night the Irish navvies that were working on the first half of the M25 came there to have a punch up with the bouncers. It all went off and was like a wild west brawl! The good old days!!
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Aidan Winwood on December 05, 2007, 01:45:16 pm
I have lived accross the road from Brookmans for many years too and can also hear the noise, but the noise is not all to do with them, and is not new since the recent refurb.  Young people have been slamming car doors, revving mopeds and generally shouting and laughing for as long as I remember (indeed it may have been me that was doing it 15 years ago).

More people have cars nowadays and drive further distances to visit good venues.  Brookmans Park is not the only part of the local area that is considerably noisier than it was a number of years ago and although it does annoy me occasionally, I accepted a certain level of noise when I purchased my flat and if it became too high, I know I can always move somewhere quieter.  But I don't because the good parts of living in the village center and near to the train, considerably outweigh the bad.

Aidan
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: James Bentall on December 05, 2007, 02:40:34 pm
I have lived accross the road from Brookmans for many years too and can also hear the noise, but the noise is not all to do with them, and is not new since the recent refurb.  Young people have been slamming car doors, revving mopeds and generally shouting and laughing for as long as I remember (indeed it may have been me that was doing it 15 years ago).

Agreed, but at least with the old pub you knew it was going to be reasonably quiet by 11:30pm....

I don't really object that much to noise on Fri and Sat evenings - like you say, we chose to live in a village centre opposite a pb, and you expect a bit of noise. It is when Brookmans have (as they have in the past) events late on the Sunday evening/ Monday morning and I finally drop off to sleep at 2-3am, knowing I have to get up a few hours later and do a full day's work - that's being antisocial in my books.

Having said that, we haven't had one for a while now, which is a good thing.

James
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Evil on December 05, 2007, 04:47:45 pm
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When the flash money and flash cars have moved on to the next venue, how will they feel then, probably sell up to a developer and build flats!

At which time people on here will feel the need to express their disatisfaction at that idea!  Whatever happens to the place, people won't be happy. 

What a shame it's come to this.  If only more locals used the 'old brookmans', it may not have turned into the place no-one seems to like.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Mermaid on December 05, 2007, 06:20:34 pm
In reply to Evil, I would say that it is not true that "it has turned into the place that no-one seems to like", that may be an impression given by some posts on this site, but those posts are not representative of everybody's views. Many people do like the new Brookmans, myself included!  But we don't go onto the site saying how great it is because it might be construed as advertising.

It seems to me that they are busy with local people a lot of the time: friends of mine have breakfast there, I like to meet friends for lunch there (and see lots of familiar local faces doing the same), I see mums having tea and cakes waiting for the kids to walk down from school and my friends and I like it as a place to meet in the evening. In our opinion, the overall offering is a huge improvement on what was there before and we all use it a lot more. The fact that we see so many other local faces there at the times that we go is testament to the fact that many local people do like it and do use it.

The only problem that people are commenting on seems to be the late, noisy nights  and here I do sympathise with the people who live nearby. Hopefully, if they pursue the suggestions made earlier in this thread, this could perhaps get sorted out to everyone's satisfaction.


Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: zorb on December 05, 2007, 08:52:41 pm
It's nice to see the Brookmans finally get some sort of support.
It's adding balance to the normal one sided views.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Big Red Daddy on December 05, 2007, 08:56:49 pm
Yes I agree, its not perfect but its an excellent focal point for the village
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Evil on December 06, 2007, 09:41:19 am
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The only 'problems' that people are commenting on seem to be the late, noisy nights  and here I do sympathise with the people who live nearby

Surely that's to be expected living near a pub!  You wouldn't live next to a petrol station then moan about the smell of petrol of the noise of the cars!
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: sasquartch on December 06, 2007, 11:32:30 am
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Surely that's to be expected living near a pub!  You wouldn't live next to a petrol station then moan about the smell of petrol of the noise of the cars!

Perhaps if you had moved to Brookmans Park AFTER the recent changes to licensing laws has allowed places like the BPH to stay open until what most reasonable people would term 'antisocial' hours, then I would agree.

However I think the point is that residents are disturbed at a time that is not reasonable. I don't think anyone has complained of noise before midnight - exactly the sort of thing you WOULD expect from a pub.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Evil on December 06, 2007, 11:37:20 am
The old Brookmans stayed open later than midnight on a Friday & Saturday and although this did not please everybody there were less complaints than there are now.  It's really not much different, except that it's a new thing in the village and the old 'we don't like strangers round 'ere' mentality is kicking in!
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Mark_Eric on December 06, 2007, 04:55:44 pm
I think it is more the 'I moved to the village because it is a certain type of place. If I wanted gastro pubs, fancy deli's and coffee shops, I would have moved to Muswell Hill or similar type place,' mentality kicking in!!!
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: kay barnes on December 06, 2007, 06:45:13 pm
Why is "blatent advertisement" (in favour of the Brookmans) now being allowed on this sight?
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Editor on December 06, 2007, 10:17:07 pm
Why is "blatent advertisement" (in favour of the Brookmans) now being allowed on this sight?

Please message me, using the internal message system, and point me in the direction of the post that you consider to be a "blatant advertisement". I try to read ever post, as do the team of moderators, but there is a chance we will miss a few. If you can send me the link to the post that concerns you I will read it and make a judgement based on the forum and site rules.

Thanks for your feedback.

David
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Evil on December 07, 2007, 09:35:11 am
People fear change, that's what it boils down to!
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: sasquartch on December 07, 2007, 09:46:55 am
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People fear change, that's what it boils down to

I don't think it has anything to do with change.

Some people like the new Brookmans, others don't. The issue is to do with consideration for one's neighbours. If I lived next door to you and had a noisy party most nights that caused you to lose sleep you would be rightly unhappy. Nothing to do with fearing change.

I think what it boils down to is :

If you live next door to a pub you have to expect some noise, just as my house backs onto the railway I have to expect to hear some trains.

However there are reasonable boundaries that it would appear, in the opinion of some, have been crossed and that this has only been an issue since the 'new' Brookmans.  Someone who has lived next to the Brookmans for many years (20+) is surely qualified to say if the noise levels have increased greatly and to an unacceptable level.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Mermaid on December 07, 2007, 10:35:25 am
To reply to Kay's post earlier in this thread about - quote - "blatent advertisement (in favour of the Brookmans) now being allowed on this sight" I assume that you mean my previous post?

So that there can be no misunderstanding, I have now edited the post!
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: James Bentall on December 22, 2007, 11:13:57 pm
The old Brookmans stayed open later than midnight on a Friday & Saturday and although this did not please everybody there were less complaints than there are now.  It's really not much different, except that it's a new thing in the village and the old 'we don't like strangers round 'ere' mentality is kicking in!

I've had a very busy day, but cannot go to sleep yet due to the 'Thump Thump Thump' from the Brookmans. Although I don't remember it, I don't doubt that you are correct and the old Brookmans was open later, but I do not ever remember them having music on this late. I've got no problem with it being a 'new' thing in the village - more a 'louder' thing! I'm really hoping that the music stops soon, but we'll see...

Perhaps if they gave all the local residents complimentary ear plugs three times a week? :)

James
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: kay barnes on December 23, 2007, 11:48:35 am
Yes, I agree with James.  The old hotel did stay open quite late but seldom kept me awake like the Brookmans.  The BOOM/Boom goes on and on.  I'm being deprived of my sleep by the selfishness of the people who frequent it.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Evil on January 03, 2008, 12:07:50 pm
I don't think it's very fair to call people who go to the pub selfish, it's not their fault the pub chooses to have loud music.  My post got taken down when I said it was unacceptable that Ms Barnes moaned about the old pub as well so I think it rather unfair that she is allowed to call people selfish!
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: rainbow on January 03, 2008, 01:06:33 pm
i know a good firm that does double glazing  :icon_jokercolor: if the music is that loud has any body contacted the local council enviromental department, back when my spelling was ok the pub had a lounge and public bar, all the local bikers drank there and nobody complained about the noise
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Evil on January 03, 2008, 01:30:37 pm
What can the environmental people do?  Shut it down for being a pub?!
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: sasquartch on January 03, 2008, 02:37:07 pm
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What can the environmental people do?  Shut it down for being a pub?!

That's missing the point completely.

Nobody is suggesting the pub should shut, just that it should have consideration for its neighbours. If the environmental people get involved they do have powers that may result in unacceptable activities being curbed and this may well affect the outcome of any licence renewal.

I think all most people want to see is that noise levels are kept to reasonable levels late at night. A very subjective thing of course but if people are genuinely being deprived of their sleep then I would say the Brookmans are not behaving acceptably and action can and should be taken by the various powers that be.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: David Crouch on January 06, 2008, 07:15:31 am
A Different Perspective.

I have read with interest the progressive coments regarding the Brookmans Park Hotel.

In Australia, the government has  recently introduced anti smoking laws which prohibit all tobacco usage inside hotels, offices etc. ( all part of the second hand smoke issue)

With regard to late night venues, there has been a marked increase in street violence which seems to stem from groups of alcohol affected smokers inter acting with each others or passers by.

It really has nothing to do with smoking per se just the combination of extended hours (ie. increased alcohol exposure)  plus groups of inconvenienced people equates to a potential increase in volatility. 

This was or has been an unpredicted side effect of the otherwise generally accepted anti smoking legislation.

Cheers,

 :)

David

Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: SeaGypsy on February 12, 2008, 08:59:21 am
Had the pleasure in popping back from Australia to the see the folks in the old village for a couple of weeks in December.  After enduring the Build-up in Darwin, the chill in the air during the walk from Mymms Drive to the Brookmans was sheer pleasure.

The Brookmans was the place I had my first, albeit underage, drink, a place I’d played pool in the old bottle shop, where I’d stuck to the carpet and where I’d tried to meet numerous members of the opposite sex at the odd discos they held.

Then, as I grew up, I stopped using the Brookmans.

So, having following the discussions here about the renovations, it was with trepidation I opened the doors to the new Brookmans.  And stopped dead, muttering “Bloody Hell!” to myself.  What a change.

With a decent pint of beer in my hand (well, any beer is good after Australia), I had a look around.  Blown away by the renovation, serious dollars have obviously been spent.  Looking at the clientele, there was a mix of Friday drinkers, most looking like they’d either just come off the train or the golf course, although standing out up at the bar were several blokes in overcoats who looked like used car salesmen.  Then, there was a group of “Desperate Housewives” in one of the alcoves and no-one in the restaurant looked under 60.  Sadly, even with a pretty full bar and while the staff were pleasant and friendly, it still seemed to suffer from the lack of village atmosphere the old Brookmans did.

As an “informed outsider”, it makes me think.  I’d assume that the new owners would have researched their target market before such an investment, and produced a product that would appeal to that market.  Certainly, in my regular visits home, I’ve seen a huge generational change within Brookmans Park – maybe that change has confirmed the village does not want a “local” and the atmosphere that brings, but prefers a gloried wine bar?

And Yes, I do look forward to another drink there when I next pop back.  It is so much better.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: stevea on February 13, 2008, 02:07:10 am
SeaGypsy;  You must have sailed past my house - I live on the coast in SE Qld opposite Moreton Bay and Stradbroke Island.  I also popped in to the Brookmans for a pint recently. I agree with you - it's very different to the old days!  I have to be careful what I say about the clientale - especially the women, as one of my sister's drinks in their sometimes!!   :)
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: SeaGypsy on February 13, 2008, 09:26:38 am
Closer than you think.  Stopped off at RQ in Manly for a couple of days in June so had a beer or two at the Manly Hotel.  Then had to dive into Mooloolaba to drop a very sea sick crew member who'd joined in Brissie - and had a beer or two there of course.

Back on topic, these beers weren't a patch on the ones at the Brookmans.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: stevea on February 13, 2008, 09:54:33 am
SeaGypsy - small world! I'm 5 mins drive from The Manly - We pop in there for lunch sometimes before the serious XXXX and Bundy Rum drinkers set in! 6.00pm - no thongs and singlets! Our daughter recently did a sailing course at the RQYS at Manly marina and had a ball.   The Manly is worlds apart from the Brookmans. Your comment on the beer - don't tell the Aussies! They'd be most upset.  They introduced 'Pommie Pints' in The Manly - 7 pints and the Aussies are on their backs!
Cheers
Steve
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Will on March 08, 2008, 11:09:58 am
I live in Brookmans Park on Bluebridge Road. I was hoping to be able to start a debate or bring to the attention the pomposity and pretentious nature that Brookmans Park Hotel has reached, and how unfortunatley its responsibilty to provide a pub for the community has now spiralled out of control and is ignored and inplace is the unfortunate over grandeured, over priced mess it is now.
 
I have felt this way and share this opinion with many of the Brookmans Park locals I have spoken to..But to post this comment was initiated by events of yesterday evening...
After a long days work in London I returned home, favouring having a well earned pint near home instead of the busy London centre.... I thought I would pop in to OUR LOCAL and have a quiet pint on my own and read in the corner before going home. Amazingly and unbelievably I was not allowed in the pub/bar on the fact 'I did not look the part' I was wearing casual/neat clothes, a black woolen jumper, a pair of Jeans and some hiking trainers...clothing and general attire I would say was neat and about as extreme as natural yogurt. I was stone cold sober (I was looking forward to my first and only beer of the evening after a ten hour working day) unassuming and frankly dressed in pretty un-noticable and inoffensive clothes. But alas I was turned away!
I didn't bother to argue my point but do feel pretty angry by how a 'local' cannot enjoy a pint in his 'local' for little or no reason. As I walked away I saw three men walk in wearing jeans and wearing trainers. I have no reasonable understanding of why I am not regarded 'suitable' to drink upon their premises, and what 'prejudice' their company has against people and locals such as myself.

I really am quite unhappy over these events; any suggestions how this can be addressed? As it would be a great shame if the community of Brookmans park were kept away from a social focal point of the area due to snobbery and pretentious arrogance on the part of bar management that is obviously more involved in the cash they earn from the community, than providing a reasonable service to that community.
 
I have emailed the company, and look forward to a reply and a legitmate repsonse, but doubt I will recieve one. Maybe some media interest into the apparent pomposity and prejudice this company works by, as well as alerting our community into action to reduce this elitist attitude which is so unwelcome. We are a small tight nit community and we should not be bullied by these companys.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Grumpy Old Roy on March 08, 2008, 01:19:07 pm

 Brookmans

 I found Wills comments very interesting and totally sympathise, especially re the new owners comments in the Hertfordshire Life about it being a community Pub. I quite agree it is no longer a LOCAL, it's a business. On Friday and Saturday nights the clientele is almost exclusively from outside BP, the consequences being,  more cars, more cars, more cabs and even more cars. look how many times the keep left sign has been knocked outside the forecourt.
 What can we do about it, oppose the licence, request they have a dedicated bar (called the local) that befits a local pub etc etc.

Why has this happen, it's call progress, yer pays yer money yer makes yer choice.  How true the song of the sixties,
 
Fings ain't what they used to be,
They turned our local Palais into a bowling alley

In this case, a nice local into an in place to be.   

What can we do about it ? Might I suggest a request to the owners to have a think about doing something to encourage back the locals. I do not hold out a lot of hope, we can but try.

Mines a pint please.

Grumpy Old Roy


 
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Will on March 08, 2008, 01:28:08 pm
Thankyou for the support Roy, I am going down this evening to see if I can speak to the manager.......thats if I can get in, I will wear my sunday best! I wonder if speaking to our local MP could have anything result? Does anyone know how to contact them?
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Cassie on March 08, 2008, 02:03:27 pm
Hi Will

Welcome to the forum and I totally agree with your comments.  I look forward to reading what the pub says about why you weren't allowed in.

It makes me so angry that they can treat someone like this.  What you were wearing sounds totally ok to me and what does it matter anyway? >:(
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Will on March 08, 2008, 02:35:34 pm
Hi Cassie,

I was wearing a pair of jeans, a north face hiking jacket, but quite tailored one - if I do say so myself! ;),  a woolen black jumper and a pair of black trainer/hiking shoes (i.e. not white running trainers etc), in my opinion I looked pretty smart. The punch of it was as I was talking to the door staff (who fair enough were polite and reasonable about it) let two guys in with trainers and jeans on!. I think it is possibly because I had a rucksack and looked like I was on the way home oppose to dressed up to go out for the night, but to be honest I don't really know why else (maybe I need to get bleached highlights in my hair and a football players hair cut!!)

Before moving to Brookmans park I had been running a nightclub in Bristol for three years, so I know the 'trade' pretty well and I know what is unsuitable to wear in a swanky gastro bar like the Brookmans is trying so hard to be, and I was pretty far from it.
It is just a great shame.

I have written to our local MP but bar from a letter to them I doubt they can do much more. Their liscence can be readdressed though, and in a small community, with enough pressure they will only loose out. I think the best option is a little community pressure, petition, letters etc (I know this sounds pedantic and a little myopic but I really do feel Brookmans park has lost out on that community focal point that a pub serves - and it has been replaced with a soul vacuum binge drinking related pub to suit yuppies). A fair but well worded arguement stating the disatisfaction the local community has for the big ugly snob of a pub sitting at the end of our roads would be a good start. As far as I can see they can only gain from reacting quickly and reasonably to what the community feels. Unfortunately if they do not they will be a 'fad' pub and their longevity and business survival will be short lived once the plague of yuppies moved onto newer pastures and they are left with alienated locals that prefer to go out of Brookmans for a drink.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Cassie on March 08, 2008, 02:53:53 pm
So when their licence comes up for renewal, does every person locally have a say in whether it should be renewed or not?
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Will on March 08, 2008, 03:11:23 pm
No unfortunatley not. A part of the local council called the licencing commitee (or something like that) will have a group that writes up every licence a   
a bar/pub should have, i.e. how late they can stay open, how loud they can have their music, if they can serve food etc etc. They make their own provisions for investigation to outline the rules and regs a bar should have, but alot of this is initiated by local opinion. What I mean is, if everybody complained that the music was too loud then the council would address this in a new licence. As far as being snobby and not letting locals in, well I am not sure! but I think it should be a rule dont you? A licence for pretentiousness!!
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: GGDT on March 08, 2008, 10:05:43 pm

 What can we do about it ? Might I suggest a request to the owners to have a think about doing something to encourage back the locals. I do not hold out a lot of hope, we can but try.


I'm not sure how you would encourage the locals back to The Brookmans when hardly any of them used to drink in it anyway.

I used to pop in occasionally before it was refurbished, generaly on nights when I wanted a quiet drink and couldn't be bothered to dress smart.

I'd say that most times I went in, on any day of the week, there were never more than 20 people in there.

The only time it ever got busy was when there was football on or on Xmas eve.

For a pub that size I don't see how it survived for so long with so few customers?

The point I'm trying to make though is that it's a bit late for 'local people' to start crying about it not being a pub for the community now when most of them never used to go in it anyway.

At the end of the day it's a business and they will do what they need to do to make a profit, if that means appealing to a diferent market then so be it.

For the record I did actually prefer it like it was but if I want a quiet drink now I can always go to The Woodman, The Maypole or the Cock of the North instead.

Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Alex on March 08, 2008, 10:16:58 pm
What a load of tosh mate!

Brookmans is fine, and there are plenty of other venues around.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: zorb on March 09, 2008, 01:18:02 pm
How anyone can honestly say that they prefer the old dingy boring dive of a pub beats me. The food was boil in a bag and the atmosphere was dull and dirty. It was never the 'centre of the community'. I think you'll find alot more members of the community in there now including your local MP who's in there regularly.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Will on March 09, 2008, 03:09:19 pm
I think the point is being lost here, the discussion is not whether or not the old is better than the new; whether it would be better to replace the current pub/bar with the old bar, it is whether the current bar excludes locals from drinking there, which for me on Friday it actively and incontrovertibly did. My original and only point is not I want the old pub back, my point is I don't agree with restricting entrance to a local bar based upon the shallow unreasonable view of 'what you look like' defines whether you can come in.....(by this I am not pertaining to agree with football colours and hoodies slurrying the armani and gucci dresses - I just mean not being allowed in if you have reasonable clothing on, as i did on Friday and was turned down)

The old pub did need a lot of improvement and yes there was a lot of room to criticize it, but the important point was, in this discussion is, that it didn't turn people away for little or no reason, (it was probably in need of the business!).......but still the point is it welcomed anyone and everyone..The current business concept is very different, an extreme reversal of the old, you can't compare the two directly, only facets of what they represent...and though they may wrestle with the concept they are or are they not Brookmans park's LOCAL.
For me personally and I imagine a lot of others, I want a friendly pub where I can drink a beer.........I am not particularly interested if they have molton brown hand soap in the toilets or if they sell champagne more expensive than my weekly income; but for some people this is and that is fine......WHAT IS IN DISCUSSION HERE IS....Brookmans will actively turn people down and not allow them in if they are not dressed correctly/look right.

I have spoken to the manager, who all praise for taking the time out to discuss the point with me, did sit with me and was fair and approachable, and did help to ameliorate some points about his business (I know he reads this so thankyou). I have been a manager in his position and am aware that he would have had many other tasks to deal with than speak to me, especially on a Saturday night. He did admit that on Fridays and Saturdays there would be restrictions on entry due to what you wear and how much effort you put in to your attire as not to reduce the overall aesthetic of bar. He does read this blog and is obviously concerned about public opinion of his bar/restaurant which came as a very welcomed surprise, albeit from a business man perspective which he has to be. (I wouldn't be surprised if he is under one of the guises adding to this discussion!) He did admit that if I had asked for him on Friday when I was being rusticated by the door staff and turned away for 'not looking right' that if I had asked to speak to the manager and discussed this with him he would have let me in; he would have let me in because my clothing was, by his standards, okay. I did say to him that I didn't feel overly excited by the prospect of asking for the manager at the door every Friday night so they can check if my outfit passes the test or not to allow me to go boost his business's profit: He did say that this shouldn't happen again to me....(I think he may have even suggested that my disallowed entry could have been a mistake, but I couldn't be sure!)........

I think the concerns are............
Should Brookmans have  a strict dress code, as a local bar?............for me personally I think it is outrageous that they turn people who are reasonably dressed. (i.e. don't have clothes on that cause offence)
Has Brookmans done away with the relaxed concept that encapsulates the 'local', is it too posh for 'normal folk'
Is it now a bar that is selecting for the clientele that have the most financial mobility (a fair enough business focus), but maybe not so morally friendly if they actively turn away those who will not spend three figures in a night but just want a simple pint.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: jet on March 09, 2008, 10:10:26 pm
Reading this thread two things occour to me.
One, that one should vote with ones feet.
Two, in the words of Groucho " I would not belong to any club that would have me"
To bar a person from giving custom to a hostelry because they have a rucksack or boots beggars belief, surely one just sets down ones bag and removes boots if they are muddy.
The BPH has always been moaned about.
When MC was in charge it was a pleasant quiet place, the only problem being that the beer would have been better sprinkled on ones chips.
M with R & D provided a nice enough place, let down by the coarse large screen footy and the fact that Stella was the only thing worth drinking and thats foreign gassy rubish.
My main reason for going to the BPH was to meet friends and have a good safe drink in good company.
One only has to walk up the lane to a bar with a welcoming inglenook and the best Abbots for miles. Friendly owners and a nice atmosphere.
I will look in on the Brooky next time I am in the area, suitably dressed of course.
Locals should consider themselves lucky that they have real beer nearby, its an hours march to my nearest pub and they only serve Black stuff that I am sure is brewed from canal silt.
If the wind here  and the golf in the snow today ( you cannot beat flourescent red balls) is anything to go by watch out for some trees coming down in BP tommorrow.
Slan
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Will on March 10, 2008, 09:16:42 am
Two, in the words of Groucho " I would not belong to any club that would have me"
To bar a person from giving custom to a hostelry because they have a rucksack or boots beggars belief, surely one just sets down ones bag and removes boots if they are muddy.

 :) I quite agree with both. The groucho quote is inspired!




Edited only to add quoted links.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Bunny on March 10, 2008, 11:10:14 am
If any regulars have drunk in the 'new' pub they will realise that the new owners / managers do not have a clue about running a pub.

The most important thing to most drinkers is to know that the pub will be open when they turn up to enter.  You have been complaining about being refused entry, try guessing what time they are going to close!!!!

I didnt ever think we would have been urged to drink up any earlier than Roger used to try and shoe horn us out of the the old pub, but to my surprise most Sunday evenings at about 9 50 PM we have been told that the bar is shutting.

Note: Edited to remove comments about service. Please take these up with the Brookmans management.  David

 
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Evil on March 10, 2008, 11:29:53 am
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He does read this blog and is obviously concerned about public opinion of his bar/restaurant which came as a very welcomed surprise

Is that why he's leaving???
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Grumpy Old Roy on March 10, 2008, 06:35:59 pm

 Well the debate goes on, but have we not missed the point. We keep calling Brookmans a PUB, a pub in the real sense it aint. Pubs have bars were one can stand and put the world to rights, they do not have settees, glass doors, loads of scantily dressed young ladies (if only I was twenty again) They have bars, jugs for real ale, mine host joining in the chat, buxom bar maids. Ah I reminisce   
 
As I said before, things do change, they have to, but a little compromise would be mutually beneficial. The attraction of Brookmans will only last until the next, in place to be, opens, what then, a McDonald's? So how about requesting the management to consider a small bar that will attract the locals, difficult I know, but just an idea. Just think, no more emailing, we could discuss all matters over the proverbial pint. Job done.

Not very helpful I know, but worth a try.

Cheers

Grumpy Old Roy
 
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Will on March 10, 2008, 07:01:51 pm
Hi Roy,

I spoke to the manager, and I did ask him that. Why could there not be an area of the bar that could be a locals bar, not in the sense of 'just for locals' but in the sense of a part of the bar that is just a normal bloody pub, where normal folk can get in without designer clothes and just have a normal pint and a chat. A proper pub/bar area that is not so incredibly pretentious.
He said he welcomed all locals, (apart from those not dressed right  :icon_scratch:) Unfortunately he said that is not what they were doing at Brookmans.

Maybe we need to need email him directly - I think the email address is info@brookmans.org but you would have to check that.
I think it would benefit his business no end to do that, as he is missing alot of regular bread and butter trade by not providing the simple things first, I think their is too much concern spent on designing quail egg menu's when they should realise what they are; which is a pub, NOT an inner city trendy bar/club....How many IT girls do you see walking around Gobions wood in boots?......I think it is just so odd that they are trying so hard to be a trendy inner city yuppy bar when they are pretty much in the country (well certainly not inner city) it would be so much simpler and economically wise to do something simpler and just do it well, oppose do something over the top badly...........THEY COULD BE SO SUCCESSFUL IF THEY JUST DROPPED THE PRETENTIOUSNESS AND RELAXED A BIT, JUST BE A FRIENDLY OPEN RELAXED COUNTRY PUB, GOOD SIMPLE FOOD, GOOD BEER AND FRIENDLY LAID BACK WELCOME STAFF. They would make a killing if they did, they have got the vet school up the bloody road and hardly any of them drink their, its crazy. ???

Note: Edited to remove comments, attributed to the management at Brookmans, about the quality of the food.  David
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: GGDT on March 10, 2008, 08:24:50 pm
What a load of tosh mate!

Brookmans is fine, and there are plenty of other venues around- but for goodness sake, avoid the Cock of the north- staff are not customer freindly and we should not support this attitude!


Well if you think the staff in the Brookmans are customer friendly 'mate'  ::) I suggest your talking utter tosh.

Last time I was in there it took 20+ minutes to get served.

This was on a busy Friday night and they had ONE barman serving whilst the other four people were polishing glasses, lining up the bottles in the fridge or chatting.

When I suggested that it might be a better idea if more of them were actually serving I was told in an abrupt manner that what they were doing was far more important.

If a 20 minute wait for service is your idea of a customer friendly attitude then your obviously easily pleased.



Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: AK on March 10, 2008, 09:20:49 pm
My wife, daughter (1 year old) and I have been visiting Brookmans for the past 6 months or so, usually on Saturday and Sunday afternoons and have found the staff very polite and talkative. They have never made an issue of my daughter crawling around on their 'designer' leather benches. We've also been there for an early dinner twice and a Sunday lunch and, again, I thought the waitstaff were very professional and welcoming to our daughter. (I will vouch for the quality of the food as well, although it certainly isn't for those on a tight budget.) On these occasions, we certainly didn't fit the profile of being 'too posh', but were never made to feel inadequate.

That being said, we have intentionally avoided Friday and Saturday nights at the Brookmans. The very look of the surly, burly bouncers at the door puts me off. Their very presence immediately removes the feeling of relaxation that I look for in a pub/bar/watering hole. They would look more at home at a Mayfair nightclub than a Herts bar-cum-restaurant (although to be fair, the two times they have been at the door on our way out, they opened the door for us and our pushchair and wished us a good night).

A lot of the comments (including Will's original post) seem to be about the busier periods of Friday and Saturday night, which doesn't surprise me. At those times, it does appear to be more 'Footballer's Wives' than local pub, which is a shame.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Mermaid on March 10, 2008, 10:26:45 pm
We have been at various times and always found the staff friendly and courteous. We have been with friends, with family, with children, in lots of different combinations and so far have always had a good experience and a good time. I like to meet my friends there and am very happy to walk in alone and order a glass of wine while I wait for them. Lovely to have such a great choice of wines too!

The days of the BP Hotel are over and I, for one, am glad - I suffered some of the most surly service there that I have ever encountered. In addition, the beer was awful and the wine was worse. For those who hanker after the 'real pub' experience and feel that Brookmans is not providing that, I think you have to come to terms with the fact that it is not a pub. Things change. Luckily, we still have some very nice 'real pubs' around the area which are well worth a visit (and for the record I enjoy a good pint too!), so there's something for everyone now.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Nobby on March 11, 2008, 10:47:26 am
Could anyone tell me if the Brookmans sells real ale, and if so what variety?
There are some excellent old-style pubs within a 4 mile radius if, like me, you prefer a more traditional establishment. I'd recommend the Woodman in Wildhill, the Maypole in Water End, the Cock in Colney Heath and the Candlestick at West End.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: sharks on March 11, 2008, 11:38:54 am
He said he welcomed all locals, (apart from those not dressed right  :icon_scratch:) Unfortunately he said that is not what they were doing at Brookmans, and stated very clearly "its not a pub, its a bar slash restaurant worthy of winning awards!"..........I haven't eaten there so I cannot comment, (I had some peanuts and they cost as much as the pint)...........

As a local for some 40 years, I have seen the good and bad of the pub, eating and drinking there for nearly 30 years.  It is the first time I have ever conciously chosen to eat or drink elsewhere.  The current customers are welcome to the pub.  When they all move on to the next fashionable place to go I wont shed any tears.  They wont be missed.  Nor will the current owners of the pub who SHOW NO REGARD FOR THE LOCAL COMMUNITY as is evidenced by the numerous people that regularly contribute to this thread.


Note: Edited to remove comments about service. Please take these up with the Brookmans management.  David
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: John_fraser on March 11, 2008, 12:49:01 pm
Am I the only one who didn't like the old Brookmans and doesn't like the new? I found the old one lacked atmosphere and I didn't think much of the food or the staff. The new one does have atmosphere and the food is better, but it just isn't my sort of pub.

Please remember, the Brookmans is a business and it's sole purpose is to make a return on investment for the people who risked their capital buying, refurbishing and running the place. They owe nothing, other than not making a nuisance, to the local community. If you don't like the place don't go there. If you want it to be a different sort of place, do what the current owners did; Raise the capital and buy the place. Then you can turn it into the sort of pub you want to drink in.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: rainbow on March 11, 2008, 10:30:17 pm
hello sharks,
                    if you'v been a local there for 40 odd years you should remember Margaret and Eddy owen who ran the brooky's, in those days all the food was cooked in the kitchen none of your frozen rubbish, the cook lived across the road, i can't remember her name and one of the waitresses came from barnet, i do remember the cleaners name she was Mrs ackerman from welham green, 8) and if you know roger ellis kick his backside and tell him to reply  :icon_scratch:
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Editor on March 12, 2008, 06:54:28 am
A forum user has pointed out that this thread about the Brookmans is in danger of breaching forum rules about recommending or criticising local services. It is fair comment to discuss the impact of a local business on the community, such as noise, disturbance and accessibility, but not on the services provided.

If you have comments to make on the quality of the service provided by any local business, please take it up with the management.

The site guidelines (http://www.brookmans.com/guidelines.shtml#defamation) make this clear....

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Edits will rarely be made to forum contributions where a correspondent is questioning the services provided by the government, local authorities, or a public service. The government and local authorities are elected on a mandate and a site like this is an excellent tool for examining their record in delivering what they promise. Similarly, posts about the service provided by rail or bus companies, which have customer charters and are duty-bound to deliver, will rarely be edited. A site like this can be a useful vehicle for debate on the delivery of those service.

Recommending or criticising the services provided by local restaurants and businesses is not allowed under the forum rules. If a precedent were to be set allowing that to happen it could open the floodgates to all sorts of abuse for commercial advantage and gain. However, people are allowed to discuss the impact of a local business, such as the behaviour of people visiting and leaving a restaurant (but not criticise or recommend the services provided by the restaurant), or the likely impact of building development plans (but not criticise or recommend the services provided by the builder/developer), because those are local issues that are in the public interest and which effect the lives of people living nearby.

The only exception could be where a local business has invited a discussion about its services and users respond. Even then, the tone of those responses will be carefully monitored to ensure they comply with the forum agreement and these guidelines. Unfortunately, this means that innocent, and often humorous, observations also have to be edited for consistency reasons.


So, please, all comments about the service provided, both good and bad, should go to the management of the Brookmans and not posted here. The Brookmans has a website with a Contact Us link which offers a feedback form. Click here (http://www.brookmans.org/BrookmansPark.html) to access it.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: sharks on March 12, 2008, 10:36:20 am
I'm disappointed that my feedback about the service and food at the Brookmans has been editted out.  I only recorded it to correct the comment about the food being worthy of winning awards.  It's not worth saying anything to the management directly, i'd rather vote with my feet and not go back there again (I'm disappointed with myself for going there again in the first place).

The Brookmans isn't listening to public opinion.  There is no sub plot by the villagers to give the "pub" bad publicity, we are just saying it as we find it.  There is lots of feedback about the lateness of the close, the noise of the music, the parking around the village, the standards on attire, the service, the food.

The Brookmans will always successfully ignore individual approaches.  What this forum should allow is a voice that represents the community.  I'd welcome your suggestions as to how a number of us could get together to influence the behaviour that the Brookmans displays.  That way maybe we can find out if this is just a few individulas moaning about a business or actually a "community" view.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Editor on March 12, 2008, 10:47:17 am

There is lots of feedback about the lateness of the close, the noise of the music, the parking around the village, the standards on attire, the service, the food.


Hi Sharks, I think posts about all of the above (apart from the service and the food) are relevant and legitimate local concerns if they affect the general public living around the place. All the forum asks is that complaints about service and food are sent to the management, rather than being posted on a public forum. If you can point me to the post that talks about award winning food I will edit that out, too.


What this forum should allow is a voice that represents the community. 


I think the forum does. The issue is that the forum could be open to abuse for commercial gain if we allowed people to praise of slag off a particular business. It's a difficult one, particularly with so many people opting to vote using nicknames.

The decision was taken that if there is a problem with the product on offer and the service delivered it's far better to complain to the company. Similarly, if someone feels they have had an award-winning meal, then a letter of praise to the management is in order. We just need to be consistent on the forum. It's a fine line.

David

Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: sasquartch on March 12, 2008, 11:08:01 am
Will stated in a previous post that the Brookmans manager was of the opinion that the establishment was worthy of winning awards.

In the next post, CGGT stated that the Cock of the North was not cutomer friendly.

My opinion is that we either allow comments to be made about services, stating clearly that these are of the opinion of the poster (that is my view), or we don't allow any comments at all.

I think if remarks about the Brookmans are disallowed, this should apply equally to the Cock of the North (or any other establishment come to that). Also, I think it obvious that the management of any business would like to think they are of the highest quality worthy of awards - just not sure they should be able to say that on a forum when other users cannot.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Editor on March 12, 2008, 11:19:04 am
Will stated in a previous post that the Brookmans manager was of the opinion that the establishment was worthy of winning awards.

In the next post, CGGT stated that the Cock of the North was not cutomer friendly.


Hi Sasquartch, I have edited both. Thanks for pointing out.


My opinion is that we either allow comments to be made about services, stating clearly that these are of the opinion of the poster (that is my view), or we don't allow any comments at all.

I think if remarks about the Brookmans are disallowed, this should apply equally to the Cock of the North (or any other establishment come to that). Also, I think it obvious that the management of any business would like to think they are of the highest quality worthy of awards - just not sure they should be able to say that on a forum when other users cannot.

I agree. Comments about the impact of a local business on the local community are fair comment. Posts about the service etc should be directed at the respective management teams.

David
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Big Red Daddy on March 12, 2008, 12:44:07 pm
Please remember, the Brookmans is a business and it's sole purpose is to make a return on investment for the people who risked their capital buying, refurbishing and running the place. They owe nothing, other than not making a nuisance, to the local community. If you don't like the place don't go there. If you want it to be a different sort of place, do what the current owners did; Raise the capital and buy the place. Then you can turn it into the sort of pub you want to drink in.

Well said, I totally agree!




Edited only to fix quote link. David
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: sharks on March 12, 2008, 03:46:43 pm
Please remember, the Brookmans is a business and it's sole purpose is to make a return on investment for the people who risked their capital buying, refurbishing and running the place. They owe nothing, other than not making a nuisance, to the local community. If you don't like the place don't go there. If you want it to be a different sort of place, do what the current owners did; Raise the capital and buy the place. Then you can turn it into the sort of pub you want to drink in.

Well said, I totally agree!




Edited only to fix quote link. David

Sorry don't agree.  No business is allowed to just set itself up and run whatever business it likes when it likes in a way it likes.  We have planning controls to stop this sort of over zealous capitalism.  If the Brookmans had applied for a licence as a night club, then maybe the Planning Department at County would have had a different view to the current licence.  Certainly there would have been strong objections from the locals.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: John_fraser on March 12, 2008, 05:40:17 pm
If the Brookmans is causing a nuisance then fair enough, complain to the licensing authorities. But the complaints for the last few posts have been about what type of bar it is and that it doesn't appeal enough to locals. The Brookmans' owners have every right to make it whatever type of bar they want, trendy yuppy or quiet local. If you don't like it drink elsewhere or make the owners an offer and try your own hand.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: stevea on March 13, 2008, 01:41:27 am
I totally agree with John Fraser.  If you don't like it, don't go in there. I've lived all over the world and you can't beat a good British pub. You'll find them from John O Groats to Lands End in every village, town and city.
If you can't find one that suits you there must be something wrong.  There's loads of good pubs in the BP area to cater for every walk of life. I have friends and family that regularly drink in the Brookmans so it can't be that bad. 
You can't get the hump because your ideal pub is not on your doorstep.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Mary_Morgan on March 13, 2008, 05:27:21 pm
I agree with JohnF and stevea.   There are plenty of pubs in the surrounding area.  I have drunk in most of them over the last umpteen years.   They all have their good points and bad points.   Some have rude landlords, some have nice ones, some keep their beer better than others.  With a change of landlords, some get better, some decline.  It goes in circles.   Try them all out and find one you like, and if it goes downhill try another one.  I have been a regular in the Brookie over the years and have made friends with various landlords, staff and customers,  but have only been in once since the revamp and that was during the day.  No complaints, no great praise, I was hungry and ate my lunch and had a couple of glasses. 

We have some pretty good pubs here in Abu Dhabi too - with probably better prices than home, and all in a Muslim country.   Roll on Monday when there will no doubt be some good promotions on the fine black stuff.   

Cheers.

Mary

 
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: JESB on March 13, 2008, 06:42:36 pm
If you don't like it don't use it or move out seems to be the thing a large portion of the population are doing at the moment.  As it seems the only way to deal with anything you are not happy with or if you are having your life interfered with by noise or trouble of any sort.  It's a shame that we are now afraid to have a debate about anything anymore without being told if you don't like it tuff there's nothing you can do about it anyway. No wonder so many people are leaving the sinking ship!!
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: rainbow on March 16, 2008, 03:31:50 pm
 :icon_scratch: i can't comment on the brooky's as i can't get there and back home in one evening, just wondering how much is a pint of lager in there now or do they only sell bottled beers as it's gone up market :icon_jokercolor:
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: shelfsidelower on March 17, 2008, 12:45:49 am
:icon_scratch: i can't comment on the brooky's as i can't get there and back home in one evening, just wondering how much is a pint of lager in there now or do they only sell bottled beers as it's gone up market :icon_jokercolor:

you can still get a pint in there for about £3.20-£3.50 depending on what you want (guiness,stella,that czech stuff etc..).. a bottle of perroni is £3.  i've warmed to the place because i suppose you have to. but i still miss the old place. the old place was great on a friday night. young/old, loud/quiet, posh/working class, smart/ scruffy.... everyone was in there.  there are people i saw every week for years but when the old place shut down, i havent seen them since.. you walk in there now on a friday night and its like an audition for footballers wives!!
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Bunny on June 16, 2008, 07:38:08 pm
Just wondered if any one else was kept awake till at least 02:00 hours with noise from the pub on this sunday night.  I expect it on fri and sat nights it is a pub/restuarant after all.  But we now know why the staff are so interested in getting paying customers out of the brokmans around 10PM on a sunday they want to party.  Who is running the Brookmans the staff or the management.  I dont think it is the later.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: TESLAGIRL on June 16, 2008, 09:57:17 pm
Yes I too was kept awake with screaming ,laughing and various rounds of applause for at least 2 hours! It is ironic that "selfish" paying customers have been blamed for keeping nearby residents awake , when it was staff this time !
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Munkey on June 22, 2008, 08:07:30 pm
As a now former member of staff at the Brookmans i would like to appologise to the residents who were annoyed at the noise on sunday night. However accusing us of hurrying you out the door at 10pm is wrong.. customers were always allowed ample time to finish their drinks and leave. Yes we did like people to leave early however ihope that it is understood that as with all people, we would like to finish work as early as possible. The noise that occured on that sunday night was due to a few members of staff who were leaving. It would have been nicer if someone had called to say could you keep the noise down or let us know that we were being to noisy as opposed to whining about it on here. The staff at brookmans do not get the opportunity to unwind and have fun at the same time as the people who are complaining as they are busy working and ensuring that you enjoy yourselves as best as possible. However if you feel one night is selfish for the staff to kick back and enjoythemselves and say goodbye to friends who they may never see again i appologise for the staff trying to have a life.
I appologise about my rant on here and hope it is understood that i do like the residents in Bmans park. However i feel they are rather hasty to judge Brookmans and its staff. I will miss the area and the regulars to the Brookmans.

Munkey
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Johnny Redd on June 22, 2008, 08:17:49 pm
The problem is Munkey, the Brookmans is in the middle of a residential area. I think it a fair comment to say that if you want to kick back and relax then those who live nearby would prefer that you planned it on an afternoon somewhere and not in the middle of the night.

And I appreciate that this means that not all staff could attend, but yours is not the only industry that opeartes in this way.......
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Munkey on June 22, 2008, 08:49:18 pm
I appreciate this however as i said it would have been far nicer and more polite to let the staff know that they were making too much noise at the time when they would gladly have lowered the noise level, rather than complaining on here about it and saying it is unacceptable where the staff cannot defend themselves in the most part and where the establishment do not knw what is being said. complaining behid peoples back is pointless and the staff are all easily aproachable. Plus the way the origional message was posted it was made out that the staff were "partying" every sunday night and keepin the residents up on purpose. In the entire time i have been in the job i can only think of two or three occasoins where the noise level may have been deemed as "unacceptable" by law. It cannot be expected for everyone to be silent after a certain time because som people do not like any noise at all. I know i would have prefered to have found out in person that locals thought the noise was unacceptable rather than reading it lke this. Please keep in mind that the staff at Brookmans are residents of Brookmans park too.

P.s. I'm not trying to have a go at anyone here as you are free to post any oppinions in any way you like however i would like to defend the staff who work hard and are very friendly if they are given a chance to be. I know alot of people dont like the "new Brookmans" however just because people dont like what the brookmans is now does not mean that they should complain about the staff and every little thing that happens there.

Munkey
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Mr Green on June 23, 2008, 09:32:14 am
It seems that Brookmans has failed to win the hearts and minds of many of the BP residents. Whereas many of the shops in the village centre are seen as integral to our community clearly the same cannot be said for Brookmans.

Many of the small shops and businesses contributed something to make the recent village day a financial success. Does anybody know if Brookmans helped and how?
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Bunny on June 26, 2008, 01:45:09 pm
In response to posts by MUNKEY, people have complained to the Brookmans about noise etc, to date it would appear to me and many other residents that these complaints have been ignored.

By the way, the staff at the brookmans are not the only people who work hard in the village.  This what makes being kept up half the night even more annoying.

Once again staff / management or what ever at the Brookmans would appear to not be concerned about the feelings or feedback from the locals who 24/7 have to deal with the way the Brookmans is operated.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Editor on June 26, 2008, 02:49:56 pm

Once again staff / management or what ever at the Brookmans would appear to not be concerned about the feelings or feedback from the locals who 24/7 have to deal with the way the Brookmans is operated.


I know the management of the Brookmans read and sometimes contribute to this forum. However, it might also be worth contacting the establishment directly using the contact us form (http://www.brookmans.org/BrookmansPark.html) on their site.

On another point, thanks to all forum users who have respected the site's rules about not criticising or praising the services provided by local businesses. We appreciate that. Discussions about the environmental and social impact of noise etc are allowed, but all other comments about service are best taken up with the management directly.

Thanks

David
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Bunny on June 27, 2008, 02:21:03 pm
If you complain to a company about noise produced by their operation and or staff,  and said complaint continues to occur.  What would be your opinion of the company.

 Would you say that they are taking on board comments and dealing with the issue or choosing to apparently ignore those comments.

I feel these  sentiments are not praising or criticising the Brookmans but are a statement of factual events, which effect me and many other local residents.

If the owners / management read this forum it would appear that they are not taking on board any of the comments made, as I am pretty sure we will be complaining about noise in the future.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Editor on June 27, 2008, 03:07:13 pm
Hi Bunny,

I think a forum like this is a perfect place to discuss the social impact of noise, construction, traffic etc. As you say, they are issues not services. Forum users are encouraged to raise issues about quality of service, both good and bad, with the management of the service concerned.

Perhaps we need notices around Bradmore Green reminding those who have had an enjoyable evening in one of the local restaurants to spare a thought for those living nearby who may be asleep?

David
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: James Bentall on June 27, 2008, 04:07:07 pm
There is a small sign as people come out of the car park asking them to be quiet for local residents' sake...
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Bob Horrocks on June 27, 2008, 05:13:39 pm
The Brookmans has a licence issued by Welwyn Hatfield Council to enable it to open for certain hours.  If people have complaints about noise etc then they should be made to that council.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: rainbow on July 17, 2008, 10:48:21 pm
i might pop over to the brookies in august as i will be meeting up with my family over in aylesbury, i don't think i will know anyone as its nearly 36 years since i lived there.the last time we all met up was at my mums funeral in the mid 80's, perhaps they won't let me in coz i never dress smart. :icon_jokercolor:
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Therock on December 08, 2008, 07:12:13 pm
I heard from a source that the Restaurant in the Brookmans could change hands. Any truth in this....could be a WEATHERSPOONS... You heard it hear. Merry Christmas to all. Thanks for Saturday at the DEN 44
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: steevey on December 08, 2008, 10:19:27 pm
I have heard a rumour that it is up for sale  maybe only a rumour !!!
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Bunny on December 09, 2008, 12:10:49 pm
 I have also heard that the Brookmans is up for sale, the gossip is that it is losing thousands of pounds each month which does not bode well, especially in this finacial climate.

Can new owners make it work, I wonder!!!
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: shelfsidelower on December 13, 2008, 01:50:49 am
cant say i'm too sad. wouldnt it be nice to get something like the old place back? a place where merchant bankers and bricklayers.. female GPs and school dinner ladies... university students and knowledge boys... all came together in one place for a few hours a week and were all as one, sharing a few beers and a bit of general conversation.  thats what a local pub is all about. thats what the old brookmans park hotel meant to me. as i've said before, since the old place shut there are people i saw every week in there that i havent seen since..
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Alex on December 13, 2008, 09:08:40 am
 :icon_scratch:

I can confirm that the Brookmans is NOT for sale and that business is good.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: peppermint on December 15, 2008, 10:37:09 pm
Well thats put paid to that little bit of gossip.   ::)
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: purplerain on February 06, 2009, 06:14:58 pm
Just heard it's up for sale - just a rumour or no smoke without fire?
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: John_fraser on February 06, 2009, 06:16:30 pm
:icon_scratch:

I can confirm that the Brookmans is NOT for sale and that business is good.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Mermaid on February 06, 2009, 06:58:54 pm
Business was certainly good when hubby and I popped in for their 'Credit Crunch Munch' lunch earlier this week, nice to see such a wide age range too - from pensioners to mums and tots - so all seems well at the moment ......
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Bob Horrocks on February 09, 2009, 10:37:20 am
Very  recently the Brookmans owner asked me for a copy of the 1960s photo of the building used in the parish council 2009 calendar.  Why would he do that if the place is for sale?
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: shelfsidelower on February 22, 2009, 01:23:06 am
last 3 times i've been in there its been very quiet.  these are at usually peak times. not trying to sh*t-stir.. just commenting on my experience.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: daisymay on February 22, 2009, 07:52:59 am
Friday night was packed and a really good atmosphere.
I was also there for lunch last Wednesday and we had
to wait for a table in the front area.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: milcars on March 18, 2009, 05:09:33 pm
Your right you know, It's time that the Brookmans regained some of it's class. I am sure that we could get the bikers back and then we could use the pint glasses again. It wouldn't matter about putting grass on the front of the car park as they just bring a bit of wood along with them to put there side stand? on. I have seen them do it before. You know, that pub the other side of Wheathampstead, the one they shut down because of the vandalism.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: stevea on March 19, 2009, 05:00:07 am
Millcars - Isn't that the pub that used to have strippers on a Sunday afternoon! Might be just what The Brookmans needs......and compulsory coshes!  ;D
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: milcars on March 19, 2009, 02:26:02 pm
Hi There Stevea, But do you mean Alo Alo Alo, not heard from you for a long time. I think that most of the old faces have gone from there. But it would still be worth looking in through the door sometime.
Look after yourself mate.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: stevea on March 21, 2009, 08:30:45 am
Hi Milcars. I'll be over there in a few months time.....might go to the Brookmans...and let a few tyres down!  ;D
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Angel on July 20, 2009, 01:57:38 pm
When I walked past the Brookmans this morning, I saw loads of vans etc with signs up saying they were filming.  Anyone know what it was for?  I did ask someone (who had just gone to buy a coffee!) and he thought it was an advert
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Editor on July 20, 2009, 02:41:01 pm
Hi Angel,

My wife was in the Brookmans last night and says there was a sign on the bar saying that it would be closed today. The staff said it was for the filming of an advert. I think the deli is still open.

David
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Grant Shapps MP on July 20, 2009, 07:54:45 pm
Hi Angel,

My wife was in the Brookmans last night and says there was a sign on the bar saying that it would be closed today. The staff said it was for the filming of an advert. I think the deli is still open.

David

Pic for those who haven't ventured out of home to the village today:
http://www.shapps.com/forum/index.php/topic,5441.0.html
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Peter Hastings on July 20, 2009, 08:53:30 pm
Its usually Eastenders round here but the word is its a meerkat ad.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Sandicrack on December 18, 2009, 09:19:03 pm
Trying to buy a bottle of wine for neice and sister at the BP hotel on Friday 18th Dec... Why, because of a private party can't the local community buy a drink for their family???? Is the BP Hotel not a community local any more???  Do we have to book a table to have a drink after 9.00pm?? The Brookmans Park Hotel isn't a local anymore!! Come back Martin Chivers and give us back our local!!
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: steevey on December 31, 2009, 01:02:54 pm
Ever since it re opened the Brookmans has not done anything for the locals , Closing the pub for parties without any regard for regular customers. It wouldnt hurt to open the small bar to the right for regulars on those occasions  I just wish someone would open a bar as they have the monopoly of the village and show complete disregard for locals.

On a brighter note  Happy new year to all
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Editor on December 31, 2009, 03:40:24 pm
We had an incident just before xmas when my wife and I popped into the Brookmans for a drink having done some xmas shopping in the village. We paid at the bar and sat down at a table. While there we saw a number of pals and chatted with them. As we left we were stopped at the door by two members of staff who asked us had we paid for our drinks. That has never happened to me before. It was embarrassing and intimidating. I have written to the Brookmans to try to find out if this is now standard practice.

David
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Editor on January 01, 2010, 01:00:53 am
I have received an email from the management at the Brookmans apologising for the incident referred to above and saying that it is not typical and that they have had no previous similar complaints.


David
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: ADM on January 01, 2010, 12:55:47 pm
Most people wouldn't bother complaining.  They 'vote with their feet'.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: shelfsidelower on January 02, 2010, 01:35:01 am
Trying to buy a bottle of wine for neice and sister at the BP hotel on Friday 18th Dec... Why, because of a private party can't the local community buy a drink for their family???? Is the BP Hotel not a community local any more???  Do we have to book a table to have a drink after 9.00pm?? The Brookmans Park Hotel isn't a local anymore!! Come back Martin Chivers and give us back our local!!

hear hear.. i'd have the old place back in a shot..
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: PS on January 02, 2010, 08:12:31 am
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As we left we were stopped at the door by two members of staff who asked us had we paid for our drinks. That has never happened to me before. It was embarrassing and intimidating.


I very rarely venture into the New Brookmand these days, but wonder why you would have been asked on the way out, at the door, as to whether you had paid for the drinks or not ? Surely, the bar staff would not have served you with drinks unless you paid cash at the bar ?

Or has the Brookmans adopted a more continental approach these days ?
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Editor on January 02, 2010, 08:19:17 am

I very rarely venture into the New Brookmand these days, but wonder why you would have been asked on the way out, at the door, as to whether you had paid for the drinks or not ? Surely, the bar staff would not have served you with drinks unless you paid cash at the bar ?


You can buy drinks at the bar or order from the table. The mistake I made was to buy at the bar and sit down at a table. When we left, staff must have presumed we were doing a runner.

The manager replied to my email saying "complaints of this nature are extremely rare in fact unheard of here at Brookmans." So I guess it was a one off. But I will be taking ADM's advice.

David



Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: PS on January 02, 2010, 08:34:41 am
 
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So I guess it was a one off. But I will be taking ADM's advice.

Oh well, at least you received a written apology.

But judging by the forum posters here, and reviewing the timeline history of the comments, it appears that the New Brookmans has somewhat deteriorated in recent months.

I think I will give the New Brookmans a miss too the next time I am home. There are plenty of other decents pubs arond locally.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Editor on January 02, 2010, 08:56:19 am

But judging by the forum posters here, and reviewing the timeline history of the comments, it appears that the New Brookmans has somewhat deteriorated in recent months.


I don't think that is correct. It has clearly improved in terms of decor and is still extremely popular. I know many who are extremely grateful for the investment in the premises, and enjoy using it.

The issue is probably more to do with personal expectations. For example, regarding the complaints of accessibility, the Brookmans is a business and if it makes more financial sense to hire it out for a private function, then so be it.

I think the Brookmans has improved in many ways. What probably needs to change is the expectation on the part of local residents.

David
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Mermaid on January 02, 2010, 09:59:38 am
I agree David, and the most important thing to recognise is that is is NOT a pub any more, it is a wine bar and restaurant which happens to serve beer and lager too.

I am one of those who is grateful that someone has invested in the place and re-invented it as somewhere pleasant to go (after all, it could have ended up as yet more flats). I use it often to meet up with friends and family, particularly at lunchtimes, and judging by the happy faces at tables all around, many local people of all ages are enjoying the facility.

Well done for complaining straight to the management about the bill episode, maybe some extra staff training is needed.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: PS on January 02, 2010, 02:25:44 pm
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I don't think that is correct. It has clearly improved in terms of decor and is still extremely popular. I know many who are extremely grateful for the investment in the premises, and enjoy using it.


I can only go by the recent comments and insuations as per the postings by Sandicrack, Steevey, ADM and Shelfsidelower. Several persons I also know have gone off the place.

I suppose if more forum posters gave their view, a more balanced opinion might be achieved.

And of course, its all "horses for courses" - it depends what you want.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Little Miss Elaine Moffat on January 02, 2010, 04:39:16 pm
Having worked in bars, restaurants and retail, over many years, it is always the responsibility of the member of staff, to make sure “your customers” have paid otherwise your meager minimum wage can be reduced to subsidise  the shortfall.

Yes good staff training is important, however some of the customer could also do with training, as politeness can benefit us all. 

I have spent time in the Brookmans as a customer and have been amazed at the arrogance of some of the other customers.
Remember arrogance towards a member of the staff is not clever. 

Is there anybody who contributes to this forum apart from David, Mermaid or myself who actually uses the Brookmans, all I can see is negativity. If you don't like the heat stay out of the Kitchen.
 
ADM why not vote with your feet and find another bar.

Steevey open your own bar and stop the monopoly, you can then service the “so last season” locals.

Sandicrack contact Martin to see if he will come out of retirement for your bottle of wine.
 
Stevea not a good idea to let any tyres down, a bit juvenile don't you think.

PS I get the impression you are only happy if you are goading people. To be blunt stay away as I would rather not be in the same bar as you anyway, no offense meant. You could always go to the "Horses for Courses" I hear they serve Real British Ale there.

The underlying factor is that the Brookmans is bringing lots of new people into the village who might and possibly do, use the other facilities, the Butcher, the Baker, the florist, the hairdressers, the dry cleaners  and Indian / Chinese restaurants etc.
Rather than the same 20 local people that always used to frequent the old Brookmans Park Hotel.

To be brutally honest I found the old regime rather sad and unwelcoming.

Before you ask, I don't have any interest in the Brookmans I don't own it or work there. I just feel that all this “Brookmans Bashing” is very narrow minded and not at all necessary.

Lets give credit where credit is due, the Brookmans has been turned into a thriving business, it attracts people from all areas of the local community and is a place I can equally take my mother, my husband and my twin daughters to, without fear of any foul language be spoken out loud, or a football match being shown.

If I need that sort of entertainment there are plenty of other venues that could cater for both me and you.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: sasquartch on January 02, 2010, 10:46:54 pm
I think the whole issue of The Brookmans is simply down to the fact it is the only pub in the village. Of course, different people want different things, I rarely set foot in there yet my wife regularly takes advantage of their Credit Crunch Lunch - as others have said it is no longer a pub but a wine bar eatery type establishment. I agree that the old Brookmans, whilst a pub, left a lot to be desired and the barman was (in my opinion) unwelcoming or worse at times.

At the end of the day it's unlikely that another pub could be opened in the village (not sure any of the shops are suitable) but I am sure that the Brookmans could have been bought by anyone with the money when it was up for sale - the current owners have done what they see fit and run it as a business. A brisk 15 minute walk to the Sibthorpe is all it takes to get a beer in a traditional pub, and of course there are lots of other pubs around.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Aidan Winwood on January 02, 2010, 11:09:22 pm
To back up the Brookmans, though I can see that there are sometimes problems with service, there are also many happy customers.

I have, on several occasions, forgotten to pay my bill when I left and they have always been good to me, I've just paid when I next came in.  However, am totally on your side Dave, that was unacceptable, but at least you got a written reply.  Most places wouldn't bother. 

I still have excellent evenings at the Brookmans and was there Christmas Eve night and they treated everyone extremely well.

I also disagree with the closing of the pub for private parties, especially the last time which was a Friday night, didn't agree with that.  However we should remember that we are in a resession and, as with many of us (myself included), belts need to be tightened and money needs to be sought where ever it can be found.  I have noticed, and I'm sure that I'm not the only one, that the Brookmans has been quieter of late.  If I was running that business, I would probably do the same.  The money you can gain through a 4 hour private party is probably a weeks weektime takings.  And at the moment that cannot be sniffed at.

I also think they have done a number of events and things for the village since it's changed hands, I feel that rose tinted spectacles could make people look back to something that was not that much different before.  Yes, it's not a local pub in the traditional sense, but it is still a great pub/venue and the village should be proud of the fact that we have a local pub, especially as it's the only pub in the village, these people cared enough about it to spend a large amount of money to do it up and keep it open for us.  It could easily have shut, like many local pubs have, just look at The Old Maypole for an example.

Happy New Year all,
Aidan
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Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: sasquartch on January 02, 2010, 11:30:35 pm
just look at The Old Maypole for an example.


Aidan - agree entirely with your comments but the  Maypole isn't really a valid comparson in that the Woodman is almost next door - unlike the Brookmans it does have direct competition.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: PS on January 03, 2010, 07:55:20 am
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ADM why not vote with your feet and find another bar.

Steevey open your own bar and stop the monopoly, you can then service the “so last season” locals.

Sandicrack contact Martin to see if he will come out of retirement for your bottle of wine.
 
Stevea not a good idea to let any tyres down, a bit juvenile don't you think.

PS I get the impression you are only happy if you are goading people. To be blunt stay away as I would rather not be in the same bar as you anyway, no offense meant. You could always go to the "Horses for Courses" I hear they serve Real British Ale there

So much for your comment "goading people" - talk about the Pot calling the Kettle Black.

I have used the Brookmans occasionally, and personally to me its "ok-ish" The pint is pricey, the "beer" is predominantly gaseous [designer] lager [flavourless] and personally I feel the place is very pretentious. This is ok if thats what you wish to do and strut around making out you are somebody you are really not. I relly prefer to be somewhat a little more down to earth. But everyone to their own...

And by the way , if your the pretentious sort, then pleeeeeese, just don't come near me either. !!   

Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: PS on January 03, 2010, 08:12:38 am
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I also disagree with the closing of the pub for private parties, especially the last time which was a Friday night, didn't agree with that.  However we should remember that we are in a resession and, as with many of us (myself included), belts need to be tightened and money needs to be sought where ever it can be found.

Very true - if what you say
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have noticed, and I'm sure that I'm not the only one, that the Brookmans has been quieter of late. 
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is true, and with the expectation that the UK will not come out of recession for some time yet, then what long term future does the Brookmans have ?

I suspect the choice for the Brookmans will have to be either (a) put the pices up [and loose more customers ??) or (b) carry on as normal [perhaps having more private functions] and "hope" all will come good.

How many forum posters here would choose option (a) ?
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Little Miss Elaine Moffat on January 03, 2010, 09:50:41 am
PS

So you have used the Brookmans occasionally and therefore you are qualified to make the assumption that it is pretentious and the customers strut around making out to be somebody they are not?

What do you base this idea on? Is it that their clothes are smart, is it that they drink wine rather than ale, is it that they have a four wheel drive parked outside, is it that there are more men and women frequenting the venue now rather than when it was a pub and men dominated.

Women can now feel safe going into the Brookamans alone to meet their friends, surely this has to be a positive and something we should applauded them for.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: epiphany on January 03, 2010, 11:03:00 am
I have in my possesion a little booklet published by the North Mymms Ratepayers Association in the late 1930's
that I thought made interesting reading bearing in mind some of the comments made on this thread.
This is part of a piece written by G.P. Hobdell, Chairman 1929-39.

"In 1936 application was made to the Licensing Justices to build licensed premises in Brookmans Park. On investigation of the plans the Association found that the proposed building would be little more than a beerhouse, entirely out of keeping with the surrounding property. A canvass was made of all the residents and 95 per cent. were in opposition. On behalf of the residents I appeared before the Licensing Justices and successfully appealed against the scheme. In the following year the Directors of the Hadley Brewery Company met the Committee and submitted new plans for a hotel, and on their agreeing to the suggestion to incorporate a hall and other improvements the Association agreed to withdraw their opposition. The licence was granted and the present building is the result.

And also of interest and topical...

"My memory recalls many improvements for which the Association has been responsilble, such as the provision of road lighting throughout the parish, a vastly improved train service, better police protection, improved refuse collection and the defeat of plans to build a factory at Brookmans Park, but my space is limited and I can do no more  than mention them.
Looking back, I have sometimes wondered if it has all been worth while, and whether the present generation are appreciative of the hard work of those early pioneers. All the time we struggled against the apathy of a large proportion of the people themselves, who were content to allow the burden to be borne by a few public-spirited individuals.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: ADM on January 03, 2010, 11:52:52 am

ADM why not vote with your feet and find another bar.


Thanks for the advice.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Little Miss Elaine Moffat on January 03, 2010, 12:02:47 pm
Hello ADM

Sorry if sounded rude, but I was only repeating your comment.

No ill feelings intended
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: sasquartch on January 03, 2010, 12:07:03 pm
PS

So you have used the Brookmans occasionally and therefore you are qualified to make the assumption that it is pretentious and the customers strut around making out to be somebody they are not?

What do you base this idea on? Is it that their clothes are smart, is it that they drink wine rather than ale, is it that they have a four wheel drive parked outside, is it that there are more men and women frequenting the venue now rather than when it was a pub and men dominated.

Women can now feel safe going into the Brookamans alone to meet their friends, surely this has to be a positive and something we should applauded them for.


I think PS is perfectly entitled to his opinion based on his experiences.

I have lots of opinions based on limited eperiences - for example I have only been to Claridges Hotel  once in my life yet have an opinion of it. You may disagree and have another opinion but it doesn't make others wrong does it ?

I have only been in the Brookmans a handful of times as I have stated in previous posts but I still, like PS, have an opinion which probably differs to yours and is based upon what I experienced. Yes, I completely agree it may be a better place for women to frequent but what what has that got to do with PS's opinion ?

We're all different and want different thngs.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Little Miss Elaine Moffat on January 03, 2010, 12:43:32 pm
 sasquartch
You are correct everybody is entitled to have a opinion, its just that it should be an opinion that has some substance not I don't like it so therefore every body who uses it is  pretentious.

But lets not put words in to PS 's mouth, I am sure he can fight his own corner.

On the issue a better place for women to frequent, I think that is very important as us women do have an opinion as well.

Thank you
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: John_fraser on January 03, 2010, 02:09:11 pm
I'm not a massive fan of the Brookmans, but I do like to use it occasionally. I certainly  prefer it compared to the old Brookmans Park Hotel, which had (IMHO) no atmosphere and I used less than a dozen times. As said by others, Brookmans Bashing seems to be a popular sport here,
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: chicken legs on January 03, 2010, 03:34:49 pm
A brisk 15 minute walk to the Sibthorpe is all it takes to get a beer in a traditional pub,

As a Welham Green resident I'd like to encourage this idea.  We need to keep the Sibthorpe going  ;)


(edited to fix quote - john fraser)
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: sasquartch on January 03, 2010, 04:14:25 pm
A group of us enjoyed a meal a few Saturdays before Christmas at The Sibthorpe - good food, good service - can recommend it.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: daisymay on January 03, 2010, 06:00:06 pm
I just had a lovely Sunday lunch at the Brookmans. Live Jazz in the
background, nice group of people from young families to older generations
like myself. The food was excellent and obviously freshly cooked. That never
happened under the old 'Hotel'.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Little Miss Elaine Moffat on January 03, 2010, 08:17:50 pm
I just had a lovely Sunday lunch at the Brookmans. Live Jazz in the
background, nice group of people from young families to older generations
like myself. The food was excellent and obviously freshly cooked. That never
happened under the old 'Hotel'.


daisymay

Couldn't agree with you more.
Well put, lovely comment.

Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: stevea on January 03, 2010, 09:58:04 pm
Dear Miss Moffat - Just to let you know that I don't have a problem with the Brookmans whatsoever and my comments to Millcars about letting tyres down was a joke relating to an incident that happened around 1971!! I let a number of motorbike tyres down. Yes, it was juvenille, because I was a juvenille! I thought it was very funny at the time!  ;D
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: PS on January 04, 2010, 05:54:46 am
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PS

So you have used the Brookmans occasionally and therefore you are qualified to make the assumption that it is pretentious and the customers strut around making out to be somebody they are not?

What do you base this idea on? Is it that their clothes are smart, is it that they drink wine rather than ale, is it that they have a four wheel drive parked outside, is it that there are more men and women frequenting the venue now rather than when it was a pub and men dominated.

Little Miss Muppet -

(a) on all the rare occasions that I have been to New Brookmans, and listening to idle bar gossip by the customers, you come away with the impression that they all know what they are talking about ie the "Experts" for all subjects past, present and future. I have heard absolute rubbish being talked about with no substance whatsoever to reality been banded around. On person for example, spoke about a West African country I lived and worked in for a few years as if he was an expert [never having been there] telling ME about it all - society, companies, what I need to watch out for, security etc. Absolute garbage to the Nth degree !!!!- and when I mentioned that he was wrong based on personal experience, he simply refused to accept his stated position. Talk about being pretentious !!!
(b) I really don't care about whether they drink wine or ale. As for smart clothes, I know of one individual in particular,  &[several of us in the village always have a laugh at this] who likes to buy expensive 150 pound shirts, go to the brookmans to "pose" yet cannot afford to pay his bills !!! So talk about being pretentious !!
(c) four wheel drives - as explained before, unnecessay, enviromentally unfriendly and see my previous postings on these peroxides with mobile phones !! The ultimate pose symbol.
(d) as for women in bars - no problem - as a male [very happily married] I would much prefer the company of females as well as men.

Therefore, the New Brookmans does not really float my boat, so as to say.

But - you do as you wish...
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Little Miss Elaine Moffat on January 04, 2010, 12:41:02 pm
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PS

So you have used the Brookmans occasionally and therefore you are qualified to make the assumption that it is pretentious and the customers strut around making out to be somebody they are not?

What do you base this idea on? Is it that their clothes are smart, is it that they drink wine rather than ale, is it that they have a four wheel drive parked outside, is it that there are more men and women frequenting the venue now rather than when it was a pub and men dominated.

Little Miss Muppet -

(a) on all the rare occasions that I have been to New Brookmans, and listening to idle bar gossip by the customers, you come away with the impression that they all know what they are talking about ie the "Experts" for all subjects past, present and future. I have heard absolute rubbish being talked about with no substance whatsoever to reality been banded around. On person for example, spoke about a West African country I lived and worked in for a few years as if he was an expert [never having been there] telling ME about it all - society, companies, what I need to watch out for, security etc. Absolute garbage to the Nth degree !!!!- and when I mentioned that he was wrong based on personal experience, he simply refused to accept his stated position. Talk about being pretentious !!!
(b) I really don't care about whether they drink wine or ale. As for smart clothes, I know of one individual in particular,  &[several of us in the village always have a laugh at this] who likes to buy expensive 150 pound shirts, go to the brookmans to "pose" yet cannot afford to pay his bills !!! So talk about being pretentious !!
(c) four wheel drives - as explained before, unnecessay, enviromentally unfriendly and see my previous postings on these peroxides with mobile phones !! The ultimate pose symbol.
(d) as for women in bars - no problem - as a male [very happily married] I would much prefer the company of females as well as men.

Therefore, the New Brookmans does not really float my boat, so as to say.

But - you do as you wish...



Hello and good morning PS

I now see how you have come to your conclusion that the Brookmans is pretentious……….

I personally would have a different slant on this. If I am engaged in a conversation with gentleman who obviously is talking out of “the back of his neck” shall we say, I would think that he was unintelligent rather than pretentious.

If I am in the company of a person who would rather pay an unrealistic price for a garment, while seeing his bills mount up, I would think he was foolish and mislead rather than pretentious.

As for the off road vehicles, I totally agree with you, unnecessary and environmentally unfriendly, however hair colour and mobile communications really is a different matter, so maybe ostentatious
Would be the word I would use.

Now let’s imagine, one evening all the above stereotypes descended on the Sibthorpe Arms for a glass of Rioja or (Your quote) “a predominantly gaseous (flavorless designer) lager”. Would that event make the Sibthorpe a pretentious venue? No it would be the same unintelligent, foolish and ostentatious group of people having a night out at the pub, and we would all accept that. When they move back to the Brookmans will it suddenly become pretentious again?

Elaine M
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: PS on January 04, 2010, 12:55:41 pm
Wed Definition of Pretentious : "making claim to or creating an appearance of (often undeserved) importance or distinction"

(a) Your gentleman talking out of "the back of his neck" - suggest the words "creating an appearance of " as above comes to mind, as opposed to being unintelligent. If you are the latter, or you don't know what you are talking about, you should generally tend to keep your trap shut for fear of embarrassing yourself. Regrettably, many of the the New Brookmans "customers" do not.
(b) Similarly, the person with the over expensive garment is "creating an appearance" that he can ill afford - so why bother ?
(c) At least you agree with me on some aspects of the 4 x 4's. Ostentatious is not a word I would describe especially as many are mortgaged up to the hilt paying for such unnecessary monstrocities especially in a BP type enviroment. I tend to use "creating an appearance" as more akin to these types who have to be seen in the [pretentios] light for all to see.

I truly hope that you have now seen the error of your assumptions and can agree that all your comments are far more at home with the web definition of "pretentious"

Good afternoon, and enjoy the rest of your day.
   
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Little Miss Elaine Moffat on January 04, 2010, 03:41:00 pm
Ok, OK, so for arguments sake just this once, I will agree with you and Goggles definitions of pretentious.

So, now to my comment above that you accidently overlooked

Let’s imagine, one evening all the pretentious stereotypes descended on the Sibthorpe Arms for a glass of Rioja or (Your quote) “a predominantly gaseous (flavorless designer) lager”.

Would that event make the Sibthorpe a pretentious venue?

No it would be just the same pretentious group of people having a night out at the homely family pub, and we would all accept that. (maybe not like it but accept it)

So when this group moves back to the Brookmans for a final nightcap will this action suddenly and automatically make the Brookmans pretentious? 

Sleep on it and let me know in the morning


Elaine M x
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Editor on January 04, 2010, 03:45:42 pm
Dear PS and Little Miss Elaine Moffat,

This thread seems to have become a private chat between the two of you. It may be better to reply to one another via the forum's private message system.

It's clear to all forum users that Little Miss Elaine Moffat likes the Brookmans and PS doesn't. So can you please take any further discussions between the two of you off line?

Thanks

David
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Mary_Morgan on January 04, 2010, 07:24:53 pm
Well said David.

This really is a horses for courses argument.  I personally prefer the Brookie as it used to be, but can also understand that others prefer it as it is now.  IMOH food ok, don't drink the gassy stuff - they keep a good pint of guinness.

Love the quote from epiphany.  I always knew this was the case, but had never seen it in writing.   Pretensious, snobbery or whatever, it was alive in the 30s, but it worked - the function room was a great asset to the community.

M
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: colinr on January 04, 2010, 09:11:21 pm
Mary you are right, it is horses for courses and we are all different and like different things.

But I do think we should all support the local businesses as they are our village’s lifeblood, I really enjoyed the Bean 2 Cup coffee shop, but due to lack of customers they had to close down which was a shame, because I know a lot of hard work went into that business.

It’s too easy to get in the car and drive to a supermarket, but maybe at least once a week we can all use maybe the fishmonger or greengrocer or the hardware store etc.

It might cost a little more but I bet you won’t buy all the extra things you didn’t really want and find then at the back of the fridge when they have gone out of date!
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: stevea on January 09, 2010, 04:42:10 am
We had an incident just before xmas when my wife and I popped into the Brookmans for a drink having done some xmas shopping in the village. We paid at the bar and sat down at a table. While there we saw a number of pals and chatted with them. As we left we were stopped at the door by two members of staff who asked us had we paid for our drinks. That has never happened to me before. It was embarrassing and intimidating. I have written to the Brookmans to try to find out if this is now standard practice.

David

Hi David - Not hard to work that one out - they must have heard your accent!  ;D
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: shelfsidelower on January 10, 2010, 01:56:31 am
i understand what david says about knocking local buisnesses, but if they are not providing sufficient service and customer satisfaction then maybe a little critcism is just. i personally think that the wonderful village is crying out for a much better and more professional off-license..  i was on my way to a family gathering the sunday before cchristmas and dove past to buy a bottle of wine but the shop was shut.. it was 1.15pm! not great..
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: PS on January 10, 2010, 06:56:54 am
Quote
i understand what david says about knocking local buisnesses, but if they are not providing sufficient service and customer satisfaction then maybe a little critcism is just. i personally think that the wonderful village is crying out for a much better and more professional off-license..  i was on my way to a family gathering the sunday before cchristmas and dove past to buy a bottle of wine but the shop was shut.. it was 1.15pm! not great..

Well....thats right - especially if in times of recession they can take this apparent laxidaisal attitude, then its down to them and their profits [or survival]

They are in control of their own destinity..............
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: daisymay on January 10, 2010, 12:14:54 pm
And their destiny seems to be doing just fine by the amount of people who
have been enjoying it during the snowy period.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: PS on January 10, 2010, 01:58:04 pm
Quote
And their destiny seems to be doing just fine by the amount of people who
have been enjoying it during the snowy period.
 
 
 
And when the snows melt ??????
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Alex on January 17, 2010, 10:33:37 pm
 ;D

Get real!

Nowt wrong with Brookman's , before during and after the snow! Relax and enjoy it, it was a dump before and  so called New Brookmans is special and the village is better for it.

Dream on and relax baby.

Alex xx
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: PS on January 18, 2010, 05:54:06 am
Quote
Get real!

Nowt wrong with Brookman's
Quote Alex

Alex - I don't know about "get real" but you need to "get with it" Reference to the Off-Licence and NOT the Brookmans is what the comments are about. 

May I recommend that you re-read through the previous postings prior to making incorrect assertions !!! 8)
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: flw67 on January 18, 2010, 11:06:40 am
I think Alex is with it and maybe you need to re-read.  You will find most of the comments are about the Brookmans and not the off licence, the title of the thread gives you a clue! 
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: PS on January 18, 2010, 11:21:11 am
Quote
I think Alex is with it and maybe you need to re-read.  You will find most of the comments are about the Brookmans and not the off licence, the title of the thread gives you a clue! 


Flw67 - I think perhaps, if you read from just a few posts before, reference was made to the Off Licence in Brookmans Park specifically from Shelfsidelower. FYI I  repeat his quote.

Quote
i understand what david says about knocking local buisnesses, but if they are not providing sufficient service and customer satisfaction then maybe a little critcism is just. i personally think that the wonderful village is crying out for a much better and more professional off-license..  i was on my way to a family gathering the sunday before cchristmas and dove past to buy a bottle of wine but the shop was shut.. it was 1.15pm! not great..

You will then ascertain that the following few comments were a reference to the Off Licence, and not the quality, or otherwise, dependent upon your viewpoit, of the New Brookmans.

I hope that this has made the situation clear for you.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: flw67 on January 18, 2010, 02:07:15 pm
Disagree Im afraid, daisymays comment was quite obviously about the Brookmans, the next one was yours about about snow melting in reply to daisymays, and the next was from Alex about the Brookmans - not that hard for you to follow is it!
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: PS on January 18, 2010, 02:09:39 pm
Quote
Disagree Im afraid,
Likewise ...............

Period.
 
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: LongTallSally on January 19, 2010, 01:16:49 pm
I'm with flw67 and Alex on this one.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: PS on January 19, 2010, 01:44:57 pm
Whatever you say........Alex, flw67

So....how do you all think that these proposals on curbing binge drinking that is being banded around at the moment, is going to affect the New Brookmans [amd any Pub really] ? Less quantities served, heftier [again] price for a drink etc, are some of the topics discussed..

Thus will it be down to the local supermarkets to stock up and batton down the hatches at home ? As opposed to being able to afford to buy at the Brookmans ? Or do we all do that happens in Scandanavia I have seen all too often - drink at home beforehand and then for an evening "out" to clutch your one and only purchase of an overpriced beer in your hand all night ?

Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: awill on January 21, 2010, 09:58:50 am
Slightly off topic but the new Brookmans has at least claimed it's 5 minutes (or rather 30 seconds) of fame, admittedly in the latest of quite possibly the worst series of TV adverts I have the had the misfortune of having to leave the room for:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAjA7kS9GLY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAjA7kS9GLY)

Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Grumpy Old Roy on January 24, 2010, 01:12:01 pm

 Re the ad made at the Brookmans, can anyone remember the original words to the tune? Listening to it takes me immeiatly back 70 years. It was an American inspirational song of the 40's for beleaguered Britain with lyrics that went,

The Yanks are coming, the Yanks are coming
 The Yanks are coming over there
We're coming over, we're coming over,
And we won't come back till it's over over there.

So Chin up Tommy Atkins, be a stout fellow
Chin up cheerio carry on.

I think it was Judy Garland who sang it. Very emotive I know, but those of us that remember it, great memories of when it was great to be British and the world looked up to us. Wow, does the world owe us big time.


Grumpy Old Roy
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Angel on January 24, 2010, 02:51:22 pm
Thank you awill for posting that as I remembered last summer posting about the filming going on.  :)

When I walked past the Brookmans this morning, I saw loads of vans etc with signs up saying they were filming.  Anyone know what it was for?  I did ask someone (who had just gone to buy a coffee!) and he thought it was an advert
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: PS on January 24, 2010, 04:33:13 pm
Oh...My...God !!!

And the New Brookmans wants to be associated with such .............. an advert !!!

Its worse than I could possibly have imagined for the Brookmans !!!!
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: shelfsidelower on June 09, 2011, 10:30:50 pm
..i bumped into a friend coming out of there this evening after enjoying a nice cold beer and he seemed a bit shocked it was open tonight. When i asked why, he said he was under the impression the place was closing.. has anyone else heard anything? :icon_scratch:
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Buster on June 10, 2011, 08:46:59 am
They had no beer last weekend and somebody else mentioned that they thought it was being sold..............
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Alex on June 12, 2011, 08:24:38 am
 :o

The Brookmans has been sold, and as I understand it will continue much as now?
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Editor on June 12, 2011, 03:45:44 pm
My list of the 10 essential requirements for a successful Brookmans Park local.  Please add your own.

Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: James Bentall on June 12, 2011, 03:56:26 pm
  • A place for those who want to talk to do so without being drowned out by thudding piped music

Soundproofing so that not only those who want to talk can do so, but also local residents who wish to sleep before midnight on a Friday or Saturday evening can do as well...
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: BrookyP on June 12, 2011, 04:10:55 pm
agreed

we went there for an special dinner in the restaurant and started off the meal accompanied by some gangster rap played on the music system

now im not adverse to a bit of that but not when im paying £60 per head.

we dont go to the brookmans much as its over £4 a pint which is a joke and the whole place just feels a bit empty and lost.

btw if you want top go to a good boozer-the wrestlers in high gate tick all the boxes


bp
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Editor on June 12, 2011, 04:11:09 pm
Soundproofing so that not only those who want to talk can do so, but also local residents who wish to sleep before midnight on a Friday or Saturday evening can do as well...

Added as point 11.

 :)


... any more suggestions for the list?  You never know, someone may be reading it and may take note.

 :)


Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: BrookyP on June 12, 2011, 04:12:15 pm
david can we add no gangster rap to the list?

bp
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Editor on June 12, 2011, 04:15:24 pm
david can we add no gangster rap to the list?

bp

Done, added.

 :)

Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Editor on June 12, 2011, 04:19:40 pm
Another suggestion from someone who didn't want to post. Added as point 13.

Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Angel on June 12, 2011, 07:01:18 pm
5.  A great choice of affordable wine by the glass and bottle

13.  Somewhere to sit if you just want to share a glass of wine with friends at the end of the week and staff won't let you use any of the empty tables reserved for people booked in for a meal in two hours time


Is the wine that expensive then, that you have to share a glass of wine?!! :icon_jokercolor:
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Editor on June 12, 2011, 07:18:43 pm
5.  A great choice of affordable wine by the glass and bottle

13.  Somewhere to sit if you just want to share a glass of wine with friends at the end of the week and staff won't let you use any of the empty tables reserved for people booked in for a meal in two hours time


Is the wine that expensive then, that you have to share a glass of wine?!! :icon_jokercolor:

Good point.  Edited (below)

The essential requirements for a successful Brookmans Park local by BP locals.  Please add your own.

Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Trent on June 13, 2011, 10:08:18 am
Apparently it has been sold to Peach Pubs.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Editor on June 13, 2011, 10:31:14 am
Apparently it has been sold to Peach Pubs.

Thanks for that Trent (and welcome to the forum).  If what you say is correct, and if they deliver what is promised online, then that will be interesting.

http://www.peachpubs.com/about/ (http://www.peachpubs.com/about/)

David
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Bob Horrocks on June 13, 2011, 11:04:03 am
According to the Peach website they fulfill essential point 1 at least.  It says

'A local partner in Peach hosts every one of our pubs and the team that run each pub all have a share in the success of that pub.'
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Trent on June 13, 2011, 01:24:02 pm
Thanks David. Clearly new to this so please bear with me while I find my feet!
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: BrookyP on June 13, 2011, 02:18:55 pm
The Brookmans is a great site with a cracking catchment area and in the right hands someone will make a mint

bring back the sticky carpet i say-the days of strip wood floors are over IMHO etc :)

bp
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Aidan Winwood on June 14, 2011, 05:45:12 pm
Also, bye bye deli, welcome back games room with pool, pinball machine and bar billiards...

...and hence, Brookmans Park pool team!

PLEASE!
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Editor on June 14, 2011, 05:49:00 pm
Also, bye bye deli, welcome back games room with pool, pinball machine and bar billiards...

...and hence, Brookmans Park pool team!

PLEASE!

Good point added to list below...

The essential requirements for a successful Brookmans Park local by BP locals.  Please add your own.

Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Editor on June 14, 2011, 06:26:37 pm
I have removed one of the suggested points from the list at the request of the author.  As a result two comments linked to that point have been removed because they would no longer make sense without the original comment.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Alex on June 15, 2011, 01:12:44 pm
I have been advised today, from a very reliable source, that the "Brookmans" has gone into administration. Watch this space.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Susan on June 15, 2011, 01:18:39 pm
This notice appeared in the London Gazette on Monday:


Date: 13 June 2011 Issue Number: 59816 Page number: 11161
Publication Date: Monday, 13 June 2011
Notice Code: 2410

Appointment of Administrators
In the High Court of Justice     No 4353 of 2011
BROOKMANS PARK HOTEL LIMITED(THE)
(Company Number 01551240)
(t/a Brookmans Park Hotel)
Nature of Business: Bar/Restaurant.
Registered Office of Company: BBL Holdings Limited, 23 High Street, Ware, Hertfordshire, SG12 9BY.

Bradmore Green, Brookmans Park, Hatfield, Herts, AL9 7QW
Date of Appointment: 06 June 2011.

Joint Administrators' Names and Address: Richard Andrew Segal and Brian Johnson (IP Nos 2685 and 9288), both of Fisher Partners, Acre House, 11-15 William Road, London NW1 3ER Further details contact: Lauren Wentworth, Email: lwentworth@hwfisher.co.uk, Tel: 020 7874 7860.
(1378151)
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: BrookyP on June 15, 2011, 02:13:35 pm
we went there on the sun b4 they went into admin.

service was very off par and we got a 50% reduction off the bill

i was amazed

it all fits ...

a sign of the times and sorry to see it go-lets hope its rescued and brought back to life in another guise

bee p

Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Buster on June 15, 2011, 04:09:40 pm
if they only went into administration on monday would peach pubs have been able to buy it?
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: PS on June 15, 2011, 04:48:03 pm
if they only went into administration on monday would peach pubs have been able to buy it?

It is Administration and NOT Receiversship that The Brookmans has gone into - meaning that Peach Pubs [and others] have the right to put in an offer to buy. So it is very possible. Most probably at a knock down price.

As a side note, you will note from my previous postings a while ago, that I have NEVER been impressed with The Brookmans - on a visit back to the UK in early April gone, I ventured into the place just to compare with previous visits. I can honestly say that the service was second to none - at the bottom of the pile. Several of us waited for up to 20 minutes to be served whilst 3 to 4 bar staff simply dilly dallied around doing God knows what. At the price of the expensive pint they charge, I am not at all surprised that it has lost money as many I had spoken too were equally disgusted with the high prices and the numbers were very low. 
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Trent on June 15, 2011, 05:06:00 pm
Is it still trading at the minute?
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Buster on June 15, 2011, 05:08:19 pm
Thanks for that PS.

I have to say in recent months i have been in a fair bit and it has always seemed busy.  The A La Carte restaurant seems to be the biggest error in judgement - a lot of cost for little use!
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: PS on June 15, 2011, 05:18:46 pm
Is it still trading at the minute?

It most probably is - Administration means that the Management [Financial too..included of course] of a company is taken over by specialists who 'look after' its interest - sometimes at the request of the owners, sometimes creditors etc. If, after a period of time, these specialists [usually ccountants] aka  Administrators find that the venture is a lost cause and / or cannot be placed on a level footing, then offers are considered or it goes into Receivership whereby it is sold off and the preferential creditors get their monies first [usually their full amount outstanding] whilst the unsecured creditors may be lucky to get x pence in the pound owing. All depends on the pot available, and the mix of secured to unsecured creditors.

The regular punters may actually see a noticeable difference one way or the other going forward.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Bedlam on June 15, 2011, 06:19:02 pm
How long before it becomes a MacDonalds?
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Bedlam on June 15, 2011, 06:22:05 pm
....... or a Tescos Express
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: southbury on June 16, 2011, 03:33:24 pm
a Tesco would be a total disaster .. Let's not even joke about it .
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: BrookyP on June 16, 2011, 07:16:46 pm
like they would get planning for a tescos.....!!

it will get snapped up by a pub chain and hopefully turned into a decent boozer with good food that we can all afford to go to...

bp
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Editor on June 16, 2011, 07:38:34 pm
it will get snapped up by a pub chain and hopefully turned into a decent boozer with good food that we can all afford to go to...

Imagine a pub full of the regulars from this forum. We might need bouncers.

 ;)

Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Dezza on June 16, 2011, 08:38:54 pm
like they would get planning for a tescos.....!!

it will get snapped up by a pub chain and hopefully turned into a decent boozer with good food that we can all afford to go to...

bp

Some of us relished the fact that it wasn't part of a 'Chain'

Many of us felt it was a 'Decent Boozer' unlike the old Brookmans where you got sour food, served in a sour atmosphere by a sour bar staff.

And compared with some local bars it wasn't hugely expensive.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: BrookyP on June 16, 2011, 10:07:27 pm
Fair call..it never really floated my boat though...we shall see what transpires

bp
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Bedlam on June 17, 2011, 07:41:44 pm
like they would get planning for a tescos.....!!

Same was said about the Cuffley Tesco Express.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Bedlam on June 25, 2011, 10:26:29 pm
Word on the street is that the Brookmans will not be sold to the Peaches Pub chain.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Editor on June 28, 2011, 06:52:26 pm
Officially up for sale.

http://www.caterersearch.com/Articles/2011/06/28/339042/In-administration-Brookmans-up-for-sale.htm (http://www.caterersearch.com/Articles/2011/06/28/339042/In-administration-Brookmans-up-for-sale.htm)
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Bedlam on July 05, 2011, 08:38:12 pm
More mutterings from the street seem to say that it could become a big Greek Kebab House....(with chillies?...Big Phill on Spitting Image )
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: peppermint on July 05, 2011, 10:39:10 pm
I understand that Premier Inn are looking at it.   It would make sense as there is the hotel and restaurant which could be run as a Beefeater.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: BrookyP on July 06, 2011, 07:54:44 am
oh dear...
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: sasquartch on July 06, 2011, 11:03:19 am
I would be quite happy to see a Beefeater / Harvester style restaurant

Not exclusive or flashy but ideal for many people who would like a family friendly, relatively inexpensive place to go.

But whatever happens it's unlikely to please everyone, I disliked the service at the 'old' Brookmans but actually went in there far more than I've been been in since the 'new' Brookmans.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Bedlam on July 06, 2011, 07:11:28 pm
I understand that Premier Inn are looking at it.

Oh no, first the Go Compare advert and now the possibilty of Lenny 'Arbuckle' Henry blighting our village.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: milkmade on July 08, 2011, 06:24:50 pm
 >:( ::) :'(that's all we need!  people arriving at all hours of the night & waking us up.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Bedlam on July 08, 2011, 07:15:17 pm
I would be quite happy to see a Beefeater / Harvester style restaurant

Not exclusive or flashy but ideal for many people who would like a family friendly, relatively inexpensive place to go.

But whatever happens it's unlikely to please everyone.......

Agreed.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: peppermint on July 18, 2011, 11:02:01 am
It was originally a hotel before it became the "new" Brookmans and we are not talking about a city centre/seaside hotel where there would be more late comings and goings.   I wouldnt have thought there would be too much night time noise, certainly no more than was caused by the Brookmans when it was first reopened.   Lets just hope that whatever it is it offers something that the locals will want to use.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Buster on July 26, 2011, 03:34:23 pm
Peach Pubs have saved us from Premier Inn, Beefeater etc ;D
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: BrookyP on July 26, 2011, 04:31:50 pm
amazing-look forward to it....how did you find out...?
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Buster on July 26, 2011, 05:09:45 pm
Staff in the pub - i believe they have taken over the reins already but i haven't been in yet.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Bedlam on July 26, 2011, 08:21:31 pm
Reports suggest that Peaches Pubs, being the preferred buyer, have succeeded in taking over the Brookmans.

The asking rent started out at £105,000 p.a rising to £120,000 p.a later on. Maybe Peaches have brokered a much better deal? Good luck Peaches, they'll need it!!!
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: sasquartch on July 27, 2011, 08:59:57 am
It'll be interesting to see what changes.

Presumably there will have to be some major rethink to make the business viable as the previous incumbents didn't make it work.

£105k/year works out at about £300 per day. Adding all the other costs of staff, stock, insurances, utilities etc and it would seem they're going to have to turn over an awful lot of cash to make a profit.

But hopefully it will end up a successful business accessible and appealing to all in BP
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Editor on July 30, 2011, 04:30:57 pm
Just picked this up passing by...
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: BrookyP on July 30, 2011, 05:14:29 pm
I saw that...was hoping for a voucher or something...hey ho...
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: shelfsidelower on August 01, 2011, 12:19:59 am
Just picked this up passing by...
..
looks positive. They look like they might "soften down" the atmosphere of the place as its a bit cold, harsh and clinical at the moment in my humble opinion.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Editor on August 01, 2011, 03:56:29 pm
Just been followed by @BrookmansPub (http://twitter.com/#!/BrookmansPub). The Twitter account confirms @PeachPubs (http://twitter.com/#!/PeachPubs) as the new owners of the Brookmans

http://twitter.com/#!/bpnewsletter/status/98044106047098880 (http://twitter.com/#!/bpnewsletter/status/98044106047098880)
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Bedlam on August 01, 2011, 07:48:32 pm
There's going to be some alterations and a bit of a refurb in the next few months.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Aidan Winwood on August 01, 2011, 08:54:20 pm
There's going to be some alterations and a bit of a refurb in the next few months.

Late Autumn apparently, mid / late October-ish...

Menu looks nice; Tuesday cheese and wine; a steak night on an evening I can't remember and half price Champers on Friday evenings with free nibbles too it seems.

House spirits already improved also, for little or no increase in price.

No word on the pool table yet, but I have asked...   and will continue to ask...  ;D
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: PeachPubs on August 11, 2011, 03:31:24 pm
Hi all,

Excited to be joining such a pro-active community!
Glad you are happy with the little changes we have made so far.
What was your question regarding pool tables? Perhaps I can help.

Many Thanks
Zoe Knowles
Sales & Marketing for Peach Pubs
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: sherlock1a on August 12, 2011, 01:30:55 pm
Was in the restaurant area for dinner during the week. Great food and exceptional service.
Nice to have the restaurant area open mid week, rather than having to use the bar area.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Bedlam on August 13, 2011, 05:26:31 pm
Now that the 'Brookmans' is a 'family based establishment' I expect that the drug dealers will now have to find new retail outlets!!  :icon_jokercolor:
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Aidan Winwood on August 14, 2011, 03:55:16 pm
Hi all,

Excited to be joining such a pro-active community!
Glad you are happy with the little changes we have made so far.
What was your question regarding pool tables? Perhaps I can help.

Many Thanks
Zoe Knowles
Sales & Marketing for Peach Pubs

It's my constant nagging of the staff to convert the deli back into a games room; or to pub a pool table, pinball machine, fruit machine and Sports TV into the side bar area...

Don't worry, I'm not holding out huge hope...  :)

A
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Aidan Winwood on August 14, 2011, 03:57:59 pm
Also, since I have a new puppy, it's nice to hear that dogs are now allowed in the brookmans!
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Alex on August 17, 2011, 09:57:31 pm
 ;D

No effing dogs please!
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Bedlam on August 18, 2011, 08:30:17 pm
.........it's nice to hear that dogs are now allowed in the brookmans!

There's been a fair few dogs lurking about in there on previous Friday and Saturday nights.

As the saying goes....."Remember, a dog is for life, not just a Friday night"

IMO canines and pubs don't mix.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: luvvie on August 20, 2011, 10:01:10 pm
well I am pleased that the Brookmans has been bought BUT the thing I am really concerned about is the fact that I saw BRAKES Bros delivering - does this mean that we will be getting precooked food!!
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Bedlam on August 23, 2011, 07:28:44 pm
... the thing I am really concerned about is the fact that I saw BRAKES Bros delivering - does this mean that we will be getting precooked food!!

If so, it doesn't bode well that the food will be pre-cooked, bland but salty, multi E-numbered nose-bag. Not good IMHO.  ???
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Munkey on August 23, 2011, 07:34:57 pm
... the thing I am really concerned about is the fact that I saw BRAKES Bros delivering - does this mean that we will be getting precooked food!!

If so, it doesn't bode well that the food will be pre-cooked, bland but salty, multi E-numbered nose-bag. Not good IMHO.  ???

Have looked at the Brakes website and it does supply fresh ingredents not just pre made, pre cooked food.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Aidan Winwood on August 26, 2011, 12:25:00 pm
As far as I'm aware, food is fresh and locallly sourced where possible.

Certainly the little free niknaks they have on the bar on Friday nights are home made (and lovely too).

Aidan
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Trent on August 27, 2011, 02:22:14 pm
Was there yesterday. Extemely limited (temporary?) menu, but food was good.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Buster on August 30, 2011, 11:04:06 am
Was there yesterday. Extemely limited (temporary?) menu, but food was good.

Maybe due to the bank holiday - menu hasn't been limited when i've been in.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: GWTSEC on September 12, 2011, 11:42:28 am
For those of you who want Peach Pubs policy etc from the horses mouth
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b014641p/You_and_Yours_Waterstones_new_boss_James_Daunt/ (http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b014641p/You_and_Yours_Waterstones_new_boss_James_Daunt/)

It was on you and yours last Friday and click to 44 minutes, because its at the end.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: slimgym on September 12, 2011, 12:19:56 pm
Interesting and promising :) I think so long as good food and beer is served at reasonable prices then there's a success to be had. Getting the balance between quality and price is key. You can't charge extra for the way you lay cheap sausages on frozen mash, but I would pay more for local produce. One of the busiest food pubs around here lunchtime and evening is on a quiet road miles from civilisation (The Candlestick) but they've obviously got the balance right and word has spread. No vouchers, cheap club nights or advertising needed :)

There's been quite an interesting programme on last week about hospital food (http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b014grz5/Operation_Hospital_Food_with_James_Martin_Episode_1/) - which was almost entirely frozen Brakes food. They went totally fresh and local ingredients, quality went up and cost went down and they gained soil association accreditation.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: BrookyP on September 22, 2011, 11:14:19 am
Saw last night that the pub is closing for a refurb in october-all info on the pub door. Barman said the big mirrors/wine racks coming out and the whole thing will become open plan...

Have to say they do a mean G and T too....

paying for it today!!

BP
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Bedlam on September 23, 2011, 09:12:34 pm
Saw last night that the pub is closing for a refurb in october-all info on the pub door. Barman said the big mirrors/wine racks coming out and the whole thing will become open plan.

That will make for a better general atmosphere.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: shelfsidelower on October 10, 2011, 01:46:30 pm
does anybody know when its re-opening?
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: BrookyP on October 10, 2011, 02:27:54 pm
end oct i think  bp
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Big Red Daddy on October 11, 2011, 11:46:40 am
I heard they are trying to open for Sat 22 Oct
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Angel on October 14, 2011, 09:58:05 pm
This afternoon, the door was open so I popped in and had a look round (with consent!)  I thought the decor looked quite nice - more relaxed and muted colours.  There were some lovely old transport posters on the walls  :)
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: ADM on October 17, 2011, 11:13:12 am
Apparently they're aiming for this Friday.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: BrookyP on October 18, 2011, 03:02:43 pm
awnings are up out side...looks nice...bp
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: shelfsidelower on October 19, 2011, 11:20:44 am
great! I'll lokk forward to having a few sherberts in there on Sunday!! :)
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: BrookyP on October 19, 2011, 06:20:54 pm
notice out side says sat opening ta bp
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Bedlam on October 19, 2011, 08:36:45 pm
'LT Bus' red chairs and 'Eddie Stobart' green canopies and tables look classy.... methinks not.  ::)
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: shelfsidelower on October 20, 2011, 12:24:48 am
A bit harsh Bedlam. it looks a bit loud but it cant be anymore cold, and unweloming than the last place.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Helen on October 21, 2011, 06:46:58 pm
Just went in & was shown round by the manager - I have to say I wasn't too sure about those red benches either but inside the decor is just lovely & now that it's been opened up between bar & restaurant it seems much more relaxed. The menu looks very interesting too - looking forward to sampling it once it's open (which I think is tomorrow). All very promising!
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Therock on October 21, 2011, 07:27:35 pm
I may if in the Area, give it a visit on the opening night just to give support to our local Pub. Good luck .  I hope a few more people support the Brookmans.  That is if they can get over the speed Humps. or are allowed out ..ahahahahaha Shame on You.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Bedlam on October 21, 2011, 09:18:48 pm
I may if in the Area, give it a visit on the opening night....

Will larrylamb sanction your night out without his permission?
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Editor on October 21, 2011, 10:00:38 pm
A reminder to all forum regulars and newcomers, this site does not allow the recommending or rubbishing of any local services.

This is not an attack on freedom of expression (as some have taken it in the past), it is simply us trying to ensure that the forum isn't used for commercial purposes.

So, please do all enjoy whatever watering hole you pick for this weekend, but please don't post about your experiences, good or bad, in this forum.

Any posts that don't comply will be removed.

Thanks for your understanding

 :)

David
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: larrylamb on October 22, 2011, 12:18:34 am
I may if in the Area, give it a visit on the opening night....

Will larrylamb sanction your night out without his permission?
its not for me to sanction mr rocks nights out, the authority needs to come from either his carer or probationer.  ;D
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Therock on October 22, 2011, 12:15:20 pm
Once I have done the washing ironing, polishing cleaned the car and the windows, then Like Mr Lamb I may be able to visit The said Brookmans. On the other hand should Mr Lambs Electronic Tag not come of Then One fears that Permission will not be granted for him to go out to Play. ;D
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: BrookyP on October 22, 2011, 01:51:54 pm
just been in..v busy....staff really friendly...decor improved....lots of high seating/tables in there which was I found problematic to eat my lunch at....but guess that just me...enjoy...bp
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Editor on October 22, 2011, 05:04:27 pm
A reminder, please, no reports on experiences at The Brookmans or any other venue.  If you have a good or bad experience please tell your pals privately, but please don't post here.

David
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Bedlam on October 22, 2011, 07:29:18 pm
A reminder, please, no reports on experiences at The Brookmans or any other venue.  If you have a good or bad experience please tell your pals privately, but please don't post here.

David

Absolutely ridiculous, BP.com'rs  cannot loosely comment, (not advertise) on here about their experiences of the services of a local landmark. IMO a farcical situation, it's no wonder that this site is in such rapid decline.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Editor on October 22, 2011, 07:59:59 pm
Hi Bedlam,

Please check the forum agreement you signed up for when registering. Regarding decline of the site, what is your evidence?

David
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Bedlam on October 22, 2011, 08:14:16 pm
Hi Bedlam,

Please check the forum agreement you signed up for when registering. Regarding decline of the site, what is your evidence?

David
You tell me, what is the number of forum posts this year 01.01.11 to 22.10.11 (less the 3 word linkage waste of bandwidth thread)  in comparison to the same time periods of 2008,2009, 2010?
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Editor on October 22, 2011, 08:22:10 pm
It's not about numbers, it's about having a local online discussion forum for the community. I agree with you about the three word thread, but others seem to enjoy it. Regarding statistics you can click on the link at the bottom of the main forum page. If you do you will find this will probably be the busiest year in the forum's history. But as I say, that's not really important. What matters is that people have a place to discuss local issues - or have a bit of fun off topic if they want to.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Editor on October 23, 2011, 09:14:44 am
Dear all,

Again, please refrain from posting about your experience at the Brookmans, or any other local venue.  The forum rules make this clear.

http://www.brookmans.com/agreement.shtml (http://www.brookmans.com/agreement.shtml)

I am afraid I have had to removed two forum posts already this morning for this reason.

If you want to discuss The Brookmans you can do so by visiting their Facebook page where there are a number of discussions already underway.

https://www.facebook.com/brookmanspub (https://www.facebook.com/brookmanspub)

David
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Grant Shapps MP on October 23, 2011, 10:46:32 am
Hi Bedlam,

Please check the forum agreement you signed up for when registering. Regarding decline of the site, what is your evidence?

David

Hi all,

No such restrictions exist on the Welwyn Hatfield Forum where you're welcome to discuss your Brookmans experience in the North Mymms thread here http://www.shapps.com/forum/index.php?board=35.0 (http://www.shapps.com/forum/index.php?board=35.0)

I visited the new Brookmans last night. Can't share experience here but if you start a thread on the
 Welwyn Hatfield Forum we can discuss there.

Grant.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: jet on October 23, 2011, 11:25:20 am
I suggest a ban on Mr Shapps for blatant flaming and trying to interfere with the running of this site that has been going longer than some!
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: trekbat on October 23, 2011, 11:55:10 am
As someone who has regularly posted on Mr Shapps forum (I wouldn't if there was an official Welwyn Hatfield or Hatfield Town Council one but I understand the Conservatives hope to use the site as an income generator. Also, they have certain political advantages of keeping it under their control) please be advised it is not as open a discussion forum as his post suggests.

Criticisms of the Conservative, in my opinion, deliberate neglect of Hatfield and favouritism towards WGC, and the Conservative-inspired incinerator have been 'accidentally deleted'. As has other material that portrays them in a less than favourable light.

Mr Shapps even went so far as to launch what I consider to be a personal attack when I started a thread similar to one of the deleted ones.

Row as MP Shapps deletes criticism
http://www.stalbansreview.co.uk/news/hatfield/hatfield_news/9261769.Row_as_MP_Shapps_deletes_criticism/ (http://www.stalbansreview.co.uk/news/hatfield/hatfield_news/9261769.Row_as_MP_Shapps_deletes_criticism/)

MP attack Reply #6
My rebuttal Replies #12-14
http://www.shapps.com/forum/index.php/topic,8119.0.html (http://www.shapps.com/forum/index.php/topic,8119.0.html)

Vanishing discussion
http://www.shapps.com/forum/index.php/topic,8094.0.html (http://www.shapps.com/forum/index.php/topic,8094.0.html)
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: BrookyP on October 23, 2011, 12:22:11 pm
Re my innocent review Im not really in agreement with this situation but if dems the rules no biggie.

Jees I only went out for lunch and look wot ive started...  :icon_scratch:

ta bp
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Therock on October 23, 2011, 12:34:56 pm
Get a Life you people, Its  a Pub we are talking about and not Politics.  People are allowed to give opinions, Well posted Grant, Some people on this site are so Biased its untrue. The Pub had a Good atmosphere! Last word on the subject DOR NOW.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: jet on October 23, 2011, 01:33:25 pm
Dave has the last word its his forum, when I have been asked to remove a post I have done it without question.
When I had any removed by moderators I made any complaints to the moderator concerned and the guvnor in private.
Thats the way it is.
Who wants to see this site closed because of potential damages caused to a third party.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: larrylamb on October 23, 2011, 07:59:09 pm
i went to the brookmans today and the meal was . . . ., the service was also . . . .
i thought the new colour scheme had been designed by a . . . .  and the wine was definetly the . . . . variety.

would . . . . go again.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: epiphany on October 23, 2011, 09:21:05 pm
http://www.whtimes.co.uk/news/future_looks_peachy_for_brookmans_park_pub_1_1105944 (http://www.whtimes.co.uk/news/future_looks_peachy_for_brookmans_park_pub_1_1105944)

Looking for suggestions what to do with Deli, any ideas?
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Editor on October 24, 2011, 01:12:39 am
I have had to remove another post. The person posting was well aware of the rules.  Please don't keep trying to challenge them; it's becoming tiresome and time consuming. To the person who posted, no, you will not be banned, but if people continue to test the forum rules (which all agreed to when signing up) action may have to be taken. 
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Therock on October 24, 2011, 03:21:29 pm
As regards the Deli attached to The Brookmans, Could turn it into a Estate Agents or Hairdressers,or A mini Brookmans. or dry cleaners. These sound the norm. Maybe a Mini Church???
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: PS on October 24, 2011, 05:13:24 pm
I have had to remove another post. The person posting was well aware of the rules.  Please don't keep trying to challenge them; it's becoming tiresome and time consuming. To the person who posted, no, you will not be banned, but if people continue to test the forum rules (which all agreed to when signing up) action may have to be taken. 

Phew.......and I used to think I as the only one...... ;D
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: PS on October 24, 2011, 05:16:36 pm
As regards the Deli attached to The Brookmans, Could turn it into a Estate Agents or Hairdressers,or A mini Brookmans. or dry cleaners. These sound the norm. Maybe a Mini Church???

Maybe a Mini Mosque ??? :)
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Ferdie on October 24, 2011, 05:49:10 pm
I think in the past it may have been used as a pool table room. A possible? Alternatively a play or children's / family room, although there may then be issues around health and safety and supervision. It was also used for 'off sales' for a while, but we already have an off licence in the village and with greater access to alcohol through the supermarkets and longer openning hours in the pubs themselves, probably that is not a good idea.

I don't personally remember it as such but it was the 'clinic' many years ago where babies were weighed and new mothers advised. I know I was taken there at an age where I was too young to remember!  :) That was a long, long time ago! Maybe someone else remembers those days!
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: shelfsidelower on October 24, 2011, 10:23:44 pm
no problem David. i'm sorry i've wasted your time by saying something positive about one of our local buisness'.. I didnt mean to be a pain and will refrain from doing anything that will force you into takng other action against me.. again, apologies.. regards..SSL..
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Strad on October 25, 2011, 09:26:54 am
Quote
I have had to remove another post. The person posting was well aware of the rules.  Please don't keep trying to challenge them; it's becoming tiresome and time consuming

To quote a certain phrase “calm down dear” – That applies to all of you.
If people break the rules ban them. I am sure that this site would be all the better for not having to read these petty squabbles. Ok, some of the things written maybe tongue in cheek, but I suspect some are not. I would suggest that some of you look at the Welham Green Web site to appreciate how lucky you are to have this one. The moderators deserve your support so behave yourselves.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Editor on October 25, 2011, 09:54:09 am
To quote a certain phrase “calm down dear” – That applies to all of you.
If people break the rules ban them. I am sure that this site would be all the better for not having to read these petty squabbles. Ok, some of the things written maybe tongue in cheek, but I suspect some are not. I would suggest that some of you look at the Welham Green Web site to appreciate how lucky you are to have this one. The moderators deserve your support so behave yourselves.

Hi Strad,

Just for the record, everyone who has had a post removed has been really nice about it. I write to everyone affected and we often discuss the issues in more depth. In some cases, those whose contributions I have edited have ended up as really good online friends.  We are lucky to have such an online community of local people who care passionately about local issues.

As for people being banned, we have never had to apply a total ban to anyone (as far as I can remember).  I have (and hated doing it) banned someone for a set period when certain topics got heated and there was a fear that something could be posted that would be defamatory and seen as offensive or likely to incite, but that has been rare.  And in those cases, too, the correspondent has always been civil and understanding - although we have sometimes agreed to disagree.

But all in all, after almost 15 years, in both the previous Have Your Say form and this current form, this online community has survived, thanks to both the wonderfully varied and diverse perspectives offered by forum members, and the unstinting work of the volunteer moderators who work quietly behind the scenes.

Long may it continue.

 :)

David
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Aidan Winwood on October 28, 2011, 11:49:20 am
I think in the past it may have been used as a pool table room. A possible? Alternatively a play or children's / family room, although there may then be issues around health and safety and supervision. It was also used for 'off sales' for a while, but we already have an off licence in the village and with greater access to alcohol through the supermarkets and longer openning hours in the pubs themselves, probably that is not a good idea.

I don't personally remember it as such but it was the 'clinic' many years ago where babies were weighed and new mothers advised. I know I was taken there at an age where I was too young to remember!  :) That was a long, long time ago! Maybe someone else remembers those days!

A pool / games room has been mentioned to the new owners several times by me already!!!  Keep mentioning though, they seems to think the idea had merit.  I'd certainly be in there all the time.

Aidan
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: WJT on October 29, 2011, 12:07:19 am
The side room at The Brookmans was built specifically to be an Off Licence, and was used as such.  The Baby Clinic was held in what was then called "the ballroom" every other Monday - where Nurse Sadler (and sometimes Nurse Bradbeer) would weigh and check the babies.  My mother used to sell the National Dried Milk and the Orange Juice there.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Angel on October 29, 2011, 08:10:33 am
The Baby Clinic was held in what was then called "the ballroom" every other Monday - where Nurse Sadler (and sometimes Nurse Bradbeer) would weigh and check the babies.  My mother used to sell the National Dried Milk and the Orange Juice there.

That's interesting - just imagine the smoky atmosphere in the building at the time!!
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: NZer on November 01, 2011, 07:08:01 am
I think that was  where I was given the oral polio vaccine - I seem to remember it was pink!  That would be in the 1950's.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Alex on February 06, 2012, 12:21:30 pm
   Just received e-mail about the Brookmans

"Enterprise Inns, our landlords, have decided to sell the "freehold interest" in Brookmans. This doesn't affect our tenancy. In fact, there's good news, as we are so committed to the pub we have decided we would like to buy the freehold, and intend to do so. So don’t worry, the pub business is not for sale and we will still be here FOREVER. This is just the landlord trying to raise money by selling some of their best performing pubs. We are loving being at Brookmans and hope you will carry on supporting us as we settle into the village and the local area more and more.
If you are fortunate enough to have at least £1.5m in loose change (which is the expected price) and want to work with us on acquiring this or other freehold interests in pubs which we at Peach can run as tenants , please email me - Hamish@peachpubs.com. There may be ways to work together.
Looking forward to seeing you here soon"



Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Alex on February 21, 2012, 08:50:29 am
I was told at the weekend that the lease is up for auction in London at the end of this week.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: RMP on February 26, 2012, 01:53:18 am
It seems a little odd to me, that as a local forum we are not allowed to discuss issues such as what we think of the new pub.  But if that's the rules, so be it and I won't flaunt them.

I would however like to really know what people think of the new incarnation - is there a thread elsewhere where we can discuss?

PM if preffered.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Editor on February 26, 2012, 08:06:21 am
It seems a little odd to me, that as a local forum we are not allowed to discuss issues such as what we think of the new pub. 

Hi RMP, welcome to the forum.

The reason we don't allow discussion on local services is that it could easily be abused by people praising or rubbishing a service for personal gain. And that could lead to legal issues, which quite frankly is a risk I am not prepared to take.  All this is made clear in the site's guidelines (http://www.brookmans.com/guidelines.shtml) and in the forum agreement  (http://www.brookmans.com/agreement.shtml)that all sign up to when joining.

You are welcome to discuss the future of the village shops and services, such as what shops do we need, or what restaurant would be nice when one closes down, but not the quality of service offered by existing businesses.

David
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Angel on February 26, 2012, 08:26:29 am
I would however like to really know what people think of the new incarnation - is there a thread elsewhere where we can discuss?
I think The Brookmans has a facebook page so you could discuss things there probably.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Editor on February 26, 2012, 08:30:13 am
I would however like to really know what people think of the new incarnation - is there a thread elsewhere where we can discuss?
I think The Brookmans has a facebook page so you could discuss things there probably.

Hi Angel,

Yes, you are right. Here is the link http://www.facebook.com/brookmanspub (http://www.facebook.com/brookmanspub). Thanks for pointing that out.

David
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: pinchefalise on March 23, 2012, 05:56:57 pm
There seems to be a rumour circulating that Sir Alan Sugar has bought the freehold of Brookmans. Anyone know if this is in fact true - or is it just talk?
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Mr Green on March 23, 2012, 08:44:14 pm
There seems to be a rumour circulating ....  Sir Alan Sugar

How interesting to post that there seems to be a rumour circulating, this seems to be a self fulfilling prophecy.

Anyway it's Lord to you, so you're fired peasant.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Aidan Winwood on March 23, 2012, 08:46:56 pm
Ooh a Spurs man owning the Brookmans...  After years of ownership by players or supporters of 'the other team', that would be a pleasant change...

Will keep an eye out for black Rollers in the carpark and when one appears, I'll nip over and pitch my business idea to him...

A
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Bob Horrocks on March 28, 2012, 11:53:39 am
Ooh a Spurs man owning the Brookmans...  After years of ownership by players or supporters of 'the other team', that would be a pleasant change...

Not sure you are right about ownership by players and supporters of 'the other team'.  The former Spurs and England footballer, and BP resident, Martin Chivers was the landlord from 1981 to 1999. 
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Alex on July 06, 2013, 11:57:00 am
I have been reliably informed that "the Brookmans" ( which I understand is now owned by one of Sir Alan Sugar's group companies) is to be closed at sometime in the future, and that the intention is to convert/build flats. Interesting given that the plot adjacent- Green Close- is having issues of planning?
Time will tell if there is any substance to this recent information!
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Editor on July 06, 2013, 12:12:01 pm
I have been reliably informed that "the Brookmans" ( which I understand is now owned by one of Sir Alan Sugar's group companies) is to be closed at sometime in the future, and that the intention is to convert/build flats. Interesting given that the plot adjacent- Green Close- is having issues of planning?
Time will tell if there is any substance to this recent information!

Hi Alex, I have tweeted to see if @BrookmansPub (https://twitter.com/BrookmansPub) or @PeachPubs (https://twitter.com/PeachPubs) can shed any light on the situation.

Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: BrookyP on July 06, 2013, 04:58:57 pm
If this is true that will be a shame.

Sadly cant say any more due to forum rules :(

Hey Ho...BP
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Helen on July 08, 2013, 09:26:17 am
I really REALLY hope that doesn't happen - trying not to flout forum rules, I would say that having a pub/restaurant in the heart of Brookmans Park brings the village together in a way that a block of flats wouldn't!! And it's not just me who would be sad - our young children love going down there for dinner, bumping into their friends & playing in the garden on a warm day - a pub has been on that site for decades & if it disappeared it would be a real loss to the community for the sake of a quick buck by a powerful property owner.

I sincerely hope that Lord Sugar isn't even considering it.

Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Editor on July 08, 2013, 09:55:29 am
...a pub has been on that site for decades & if it disappeared it would be a real loss to the community for the sake of a quick buck by a powerful property owner.

I have tweeted again to see if @BrookmansPub (https://twitter.com/BrookmansPub) or @PeachPubs (https://twitter.com/PeachPubs) can shed any light on the situation. They are both active on Twitter, so I hope they will respond.

Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: sasquartch on July 08, 2013, 09:58:22 am
I am suprised as Brookmans seems well supported - but whether it's profitable enough I don't know.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Editor on July 08, 2013, 10:07:25 am
Just got this tweet from @BrookmansPub (https://twitter.com/BrookmansPub) saying "No such plans afoot to convert the pub into flats. We are in Brookmans Park for the long term so no need to worry." I have replied.

Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Helen on July 08, 2013, 10:13:10 am
Phew!!
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Editor on July 08, 2013, 10:13:47 am
Phew!!

Think it's best to put it on record.

Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: BrookyP on July 08, 2013, 12:53:04 pm
result... :D
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Aqila on July 08, 2013, 06:13:42 pm
I have been reliably informed ....Time will tell if there is any substance to this recent information!

So where did this reliable information come from.....?
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Mr Green on July 08, 2013, 07:45:09 pm
I fear our speculation might be the catalyst for some property hotshot to have a light-bulb moment and say, hey!, why don't I build flats?
Lets all change the subject before we're overheard.

Oh and by the way, if my post breaks the rules - then I'm out.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Editor on July 08, 2013, 07:57:13 pm
Oh and by the way, if my post breaks the rules - then I'm out.

Your post is perfectly legit, as always.   :)
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Chungdokwan on July 10, 2013, 12:22:41 pm
There's always the fallback position:

"David Cameron pledges £250m for local communities to buy pubs and shops. 6th June 2013"

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/10102846/David-Cameron-pledges-250m-for-local-communities-to-buy-pubs-and-shops.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/10102846/David-Cameron-pledges-250m-for-local-communities-to-buy-pubs-and-shops.html)

Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Editor on July 10, 2013, 01:55:57 pm
There's always the fallback position:
"David Cameron pledges £250m for local communities to buy pubs and shops. 6th June 2013"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/10102846/David-Cameron-pledges-250m-for-local-communities-to-buy-pubs-and-shops.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/10102846/David-Cameron-pledges-250m-for-local-communities-to-buy-pubs-and-shops.html)

I wonder how so called 'social investment' projects would stack up against projects that offer developers a financial gain?
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: shelfsidelower on November 13, 2013, 12:39:13 pm
anybody know why the Brookmans is shut?
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Helen on November 13, 2013, 12:42:42 pm
Essential maintenance apparently. It opens again at 6pm this evening.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: John_fraser on November 25, 2013, 12:11:53 pm
I have removed a number of comments about the Brookmans' Refurbishment because I feel they breached the forum rules on reviewing local businesses.
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Alex on February 27, 2014, 10:25:38 pm
Hi,

anyone throw light on the Brookmans?
The property is supposed to be now owned by Alan Sugar's property investment company, Amsprop Investments Ltd. The purchase was undertaken  almost 2 years ago, on the 27th March 2012 and the price that he paid for the freehold was £1,490,000.
Alex
Title: Re: Brookmans formerly known as The Brookmans Park Hotel
Post by: Peeplins on February 28, 2014, 12:02:53 am
Yes you are correct. Www.amsprop.com (http://Www.amsprop.com), however the whole building is let to Peach Ltd