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Title: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: Editor on March 12, 2004, 12:36:28 pm
Hertfordshire Highways is considering a request for a one-way system to be introduced on some roads around Brookmans Park’s Bradmore Green.

If it went ahead, it would mean that the east sides of each of the triangles of grass would become one-way only, with the other roads remaining two-way.

The two roads that have been suggested for being made one-way are the road in front of the library and the road running in front of Statons.

Click here for more information. (http://www.brookmans.com/news/march04/oneway.shtml)
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: trinity on March 12, 2004, 02:16:13 pm
Seems entirely reasonable.
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: jet on March 12, 2004, 04:06:12 pm
One way traffic is fast traffic :o
regards,
jet
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: trinity on March 12, 2004, 07:20:11 pm
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One way traffic is fast traffic :o
regards


Given that the roads are full of shop staff's vehicles, a couple of humps should sort out that one.

Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: Alfred the Great on March 12, 2004, 11:33:29 pm
Seems funny that HH can afford to think about doing the job but not to actually do it - surely eight grey metal tubes with round signs on the top don't cost that much?

ATG
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: Editor on March 13, 2004, 12:00:22 am
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surely eight grey metal tubes with round signs on the top don't cost that much?
Hi ATG, I think it is a matter of priorities, which, I understand , are determined by the number of accidents/incidents. Someone suggested this project sits about 76 in the list of 100 most important issues for Hertfordshire Highways to tackle.
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: trinity on March 13, 2004, 12:31:27 am
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Hi ATG, I think it is a matter of priorities, which, I understand , are determined by the number of accidents/incidents. Someone suggested this project sits about 76 in the list of 100 most important issues for Hertfordshire Highways to tackle.


Maybe this is an example of a case where "community action" might be valuable. ISTM that with access to the poles, signs, and some roadpaint, we could organise a local volunteer team to do the job on a weekend.
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: Spurs fan on March 13, 2004, 11:56:38 am
I'm in favour of making those roads one-way, but surely it would be better to have the road in front of the library one-way the other way? i.e. you are able to turn into it from the greengrocers end not the Andrew Ward end. This would keep the parking on the left, and not on the 'wrong' side of the road as it would be if you entered from Brookmans Avenue.
Plus, there's probably a psychological reason for keeping it clockwise!
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: Margaret on March 13, 2004, 07:04:54 pm
Not quite sure why a one-way system is needed, if people drive courteously it isn't a problem and as Jet says a one-way system will encourage faster driving as they know it is one way and they are unlikely to meet a car coming the other way. Also as the only time it is exceptionaly busy is at school time do we really want anybody going more than a few miles an hour when there are lots of children around crossing roads. At the moment you have to go slowly and take extra care  which is surely a good thing in the village centre. Also at other times there are elderly people around who take time to cross the roads, so making it easier for motorists rather than pedestrians is not a good idea in my book. So I for one would object to any plans to make the village centre just another vehicle friendly place.
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: Bob Horrocks on March 13, 2004, 07:19:30 pm
Highways have this on their list as a congestion spot, but it has a low ranking because there have been no injuries to people there.  They said they will do another assessment to update the last one in 1999.  

It is also busy there at lunchtime with workers getting their lunch at the local bakery etc.  
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: jet on March 13, 2004, 10:53:16 pm
Ho hum life is so exciting in BP, a one way system, yawn, be still my beating heart, i cannot take such inovation, imagine the cost,
regards,
jet
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: liketoretire on March 16, 2004, 02:52:19 pm
RE the one way system debate ..

When this issue last came up the big drawback was and still is the amount of road signs that would be required.
Can you imagine the blue one way signs and the red no entry signs that would be required?

The phrase "sign pollution" springs to mind.  Mind you the local canine population would appreciate it. It wouln't solve the parking problem either.
I my view the council should come to an arrangement with The BP hotel to lease some of their forecourt for a shop staff parking area, thereby freeing up spaces for genuine shoppers and making the triangle less congested.
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: sasquartch on March 16, 2004, 03:39:46 pm
Why would the BP hotel want to lease out their carpark ? They have recently invested what must have been a substantial amount of money in resurfacing it so obviously feel they need the space. I would have thought that spaces would be needed throughout the day and night.
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: Phil_Holm on March 16, 2004, 04:14:08 pm
Is the conjestion so bad???

Can't believe it's worth all the agro.

And what's the real benefit???

Phil
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: Margaret on March 17, 2004, 12:19:10 am
That's just it Phil the congestion isn't that bad, the only time it's a problem is due once again to the odd bad driver and they will be a bad driver no matter how much money is wasted on new one way systems and road signs. Most of the driving problems in this area or caused by just a few.
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: trinity on March 17, 2004, 12:52:01 am
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That's just it Phil the congestion isn't that bad, the only time it's a problem is due once again to the odd bad driver and they will be a bad driver no matter how much money is wasted on new one way systems and road signs. Most of the driving problems in this area or caused by just a few.


Look on the bright side. Having the place totally clogged with parked cars does tend to keep the speed of the moving ones to a minimum.

On the other hand, given that a significant proportion of those parked cars belong to people who work in the shops and such, it isn't clear to me what can be done about it without either shunting them off to the railway station (how ? at gunpoint ?), or having them clutter up Oaklands and Peplins and so on instead.
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: supersonic on March 17, 2004, 01:54:42 am
I'd agree that the issue of parking rather than one way signage is the priority. I came into BP the other day to post some parcels and get a sarnie from Jan's Pantry. Could I find a place to park?? No chance!! I gave up - went back to Welham Green. Result - BP traders lost my trade and lost out on my money.

Perhaps the money that the council want to spend on this scheme could go towards some pay and display machines? Controversial I know, but I'd be willing to pay say 20p to be able to park for 20 mins. More than enough time to do a bit of local shopping, and hopefully also enough of a deterrent to dissuade the local shop staff from clogging up local parking as well. I also accept however that p&d can be the thin edge of the wedge. Local to me in Harrow the council are slowly condemning the town centre to oblivion with extortionate, crippling and excessive p&d parking rates of 30p for 10 mins!!!

supersonic
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: trinity on March 17, 2004, 02:27:49 am
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Perhaps the money that the council want to spend on this scheme could go towards some pay and display machines? Controversial I know, but I'd be willing to pay say 20p to be able to park for 20 mins.


The trouble with that is that there would be an (at least initial) reaction against the measure - and the only beneficiaries of that reaction would be the likes of Tescos and Sainsburys in PB.

This is probably OK if you're the vet, one of the hairdressers or even (hopefully) Bryan. It is less OK if you're the Co-op. Which would be particularly bad for those to whom the distance to the Green is far from being a formudable walk.

Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: sasquartch on March 17, 2004, 11:27:57 am
Surely the answer is to put single yellow lines on all the roads in the village.
Make the time limit 2 hours.
The shopkeepers and people working in the village (ie people who aren't shoppers) will park elsewhere, anyone wanting to shop will have plenty of time to do their shopping and hopefully have some chance of parking.
OK, yellow lines aren't that pretty but surely preferable to loads of no-entry and one-way signs.
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: trinity on March 18, 2004, 10:03:33 pm
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Surely the answer is to put single yellow lines on all the roads in the village.
Make the time limit 2 hours.
The shopkeepers and people working in the village (ie people who aren't shoppers) will park elsewhere


True. They'll clutter up Peplins and Oaklands and Westlands instead, just like the commuters already do who seem to reckon that the station car park will eat their loved ones.

Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: shads on March 19, 2004, 05:06:24 pm
Trinity,i am not one that parks in the BP station car park,or on the streets as i pay the extortionate amount of £3.50 per day to park in Potters Bar station car park.'
The reason i do this is becauce i had my car vandalised and if that wasn't enough it was stolen when parked in the BP station car park,so i now have the extra incovienence and expense of driving to Potters Bar.At least the Potters Bar car park has cameras though not sure how effeciently they work as i often see glass on the tarmac,however i have yet to have a problem there.
The reason i mention this is because some commuters are probably worried about leaving their car in the BP car park so hence park it somewhere nearby in a less secluded spot.
I'm not saying its right but i can understand why they do it.
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: trinity on March 19, 2004, 07:53:58 pm
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The reason i mention this is because some commuters are probably worried about leaving their car in the BP car park so hence park it somewhere nearby in a less secluded spot.


Thereby dumping their problem on someone else. Maybe this vandalism lark isn't such a bad idea after all.

Your solution, as well as being more honourable, also buys you better trains (or would if WAGN didn't wreck services to PB after 1630).

Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: Margaret on March 20, 2004, 09:45:59 pm
I drive my daughter to Potters Bar station every morning and collect her every evening as she can not afford to pay £3.50 a day for the car park on top of the £2000  for the annual train fare, also I know of two incidents in this car park and both car owners were told that the cameras don't work, these two incidents were at least 2 years apart and the cameras have never worked. So I'm afraid your car is not much safer in Potters Bar despite the rising cost.
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: Editor on March 22, 2004, 11:20:08 am
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Surely the answer is to put single yellow lines on all the roads in the village.
Make the time limit 2 hours.


But are there the traffic wardens to enforce any penalties on those exceeding the time limit set by yellow line restrictions and pay and display?
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: Bob Horrocks on November 09, 2005, 11:01:46 am
In response to a suggestion from the parish council, Herts Highways is proposing that two slip roads at Bradmore Green are made 'one-way'.  One will flow from Peplins Way to Brookmans Ave in front of the library.  the other will continue in the same direction in front of Statons estate agents with traffic flwing from Brookmans Avenue to Bluebridge Road.  All other roads will remain two-way.

Shop keepers have been notified as part of the consulation on this idea.
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: ADM on November 09, 2005, 01:25:06 pm
Veteran forum readers will recall that we have been here before.

I've considered this proposal and I can't really understand the problem that it is trying to address.  I can think of three problems as things are now:

1. It IS difficult to park outside the shops at certain times of the day. 
2. You do sometimes have to reverse to allow another car access. 
3. There can be a lot of cars moving around an area which can have a lot of pedestrians, particularly schoolchildren.

1.  Use the car park by the station which is still free despite all we've heard to the contrary.  This propoal is actually likely to make parking worse anyway, as the thought of less reversing and faster-moving traffic may attract more cars.

2. Get over it.  That is the nature of a small village centre.  It's not meant to be an urban clearway.  Whilst the proposal may prevent some slow speed manoeuvring of vehicles, that is a good thing when we look at the third problem...

3. Because of the uncertainty of the road being clear, people reversing etc, people do drive more slowly than they otherwise might.  As Sir Robert Mark might say 'I believe that this is a positive contribution to road safety.'

To conclude, I can't see the point.  Also I don't want more flaming street furniture in the way of one way signs, no entry signs, and whatever other junk comes with it. 

I'm sure that I've missed something though...
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: Editor on November 09, 2005, 04:14:55 pm
I've merged this thread with an existing thread on the issue so that people can see what has been proposed and discussed in the past.

David
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: Max on November 10, 2005, 09:43:07 am
I've often thought that a one way system in the village would be a fairly good idea. I don't think I can remember a day when it would be possible for two cars going in opposite directions to pass each other on one of the roads in question, and it is hardly as if the resulting detour (for some people) would be time or fuel consuming.

As for parking in the village, my advice for the able-bodied would be to do what I did when I lived in BP, which is to say, cycle. Surely no-one has to travel a significant distance to go to the village? And it isn't the kind of place you drive to to buy the week's shopping, is it?

An awful lot of local parking and traffic problems could be resolved by more people realising that it is perfectly possible to make small journeys without using the car, even when carrying medium size packages.
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: Bob Horrocks on November 11, 2005, 10:54:31 am
ADM is correct that this idea has been raised before and dropped.

It is now out for consultation and, if it gets the go-ahead, the work has been penciled in for Spring 2006.

I agree about even more street furniture, and the CPRE is running a campaign to reduce this blot on the pavement nationally.

The only thing I would add is that we do not suffer from a mass of advert hoardings seen in America for instance.
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: Max on November 11, 2005, 12:10:08 pm
Try as I might, I can see no harm in "street furniture", nor see why it should be considered a "blot on the pavement". I certainly could not imagine myself ever saying "That used to be such a beautiful pavement and then they stuck a no entry sign in the middle of it!"

I totally agree with the notion of putting yellow lines in residentual roads like Peplins Way or Westland Drive. I can't think of a house in BP that doesn't have a drive big enough for two cars, or even three if you put one in the garage. How much parking space does a single household require, for goodness sake? Either that or make it residents parking only.
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: flw67 on November 11, 2005, 03:18:00 pm
Quite a few of the houses in Peplins Way only have space for one car, so if you had yelllow lines in Peplins Way where are the residents with 2 or more cars supposed to park.
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: James Bentall on November 11, 2005, 09:23:03 pm
Er.. loose the second car and buy a bike or use public transport instead?  ;D

Yes I know, predictable answer. And no, I don't have a family to drive around the place so don't know how hard it would be.

But Peplins Way is just 5-10 mins walk from a regular 20 min train service going North and South during the day, and there's a regular bus service stopping nearby as well. Sure, you might occasionally need to get a taxi somewhere, but you could pay for that out of the savings you make on road tax, MOT, petrol, depreciation on your vehicle and insurance :)

Back on this topic slightly, but I agree with ADM - is there evidence of crashes or near misses around the green area? Is there a problem that needs solving? I know it can get vey congested around school run time (although perhaps the solution again there is to walk!), but unlike, say, the chicane at Welham Green which did need some attention, is there a problem here that needs to be solved? The online parish council minutes state:

'Councillor Storey said there was a formal proposal for a one-way system in Bradmore Green.   It was agreed that he would contact Highways Department to ensure that the traffic in Bradmore Way would be able to turn into the Service Road by the Library.'

But don't say what the reasoning behind this 'formal proposal' are or where it came from....

James
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: Max on November 12, 2005, 07:32:40 am
Quite a few of the houses in Peplins Way only have space for one car, so if you had yelllow lines in Peplins Way where are the residents with 2 or more cars supposed to park.

Really? I suppose I haven't been round to Peplins Way much since school days, but I remember just about every house there having both a drive and a garage. So, one car in the garage plus one outside on the drive it seems to me that you have space for two cars, which is surely as many as a normal household needs. My mother lives in a bungalow in Westland Drive, one of the smaller houses in BP, and there most certainly is room to park three cars there. Possibly four if they were all small.
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: flw67 on November 12, 2005, 10:19:35 am
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I can't think of a house in BP that doesn't have a drive big enough for two cars

Apologies perhaps I didn't make myself clear, I was referring to the above quote.

BTW my mother's house can get five big cars on the drive (but I'm not sure how relevant that is to the one way proposal)
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: sasquartch on November 13, 2005, 11:17:44 am
Max - you can't really count garages as parking spaces these days. Either (like me) you use your garage as a workshop and for storage, or the garage is simply too small for the 4WD or MPV.

A lot of people have also converted their garage into an extra room.
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: barmy on November 14, 2005, 11:37:59 pm
Indeed, and if like me you may need to store a trailer - we have just ordered a boat that we intend to store on the drive in Peplyn's, then that further restricts your options if you put yellow lines in the road outside.

A restricted now waiting zone could be deployed - no parking between 09:30 and 12:00 and 14:30 to 16:30 for example would deter "all dayers" taking adavantage of the proximity to the station and enable residents to park on the road overnight and should they pop home for lunch.

Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: Max on November 15, 2005, 05:21:26 am
Sorry, Barmy, but no-one "needs" to store a trailer. trailers and boats are things we purchase  because we think it will be fun. What we decide to purchase is greatly influenced by whether or not we have the space to store it, but that does not mean that we should assume an automatic entitlement to keep our possessions (cars, in this context) on land that we do not own (the road). I believe that in Japan, you are actually not allowed to own a car unless you either own or rent somewhere to keep it off the road, which seems fair enough to me. A great many roads have residents only parking restrictions, which I believe the residents pay for, which is something that could be considered for places such as Peplins Way too, if the demand is there.

In any event, the suggestion of yellow lines in such a place was based on comments earlier in the thread concerning the probability of commuters parking in such places to avoid car-park charges, and if the options were that I could not park outside my home because of a yellow line, or because the street was clogged up with bumper to bumper parked cars, I personally would opt for the former.
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: sasquartch on November 15, 2005, 09:38:24 am
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entitlement to keep our possessions (cars, in this context) on land that we do not own (the road)

However I do pay road tax which I think does entitle me to park on the road if I wish (as long as it's legal of course)
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: Max on November 15, 2005, 10:48:34 am
Well, that's me shot down in flames, innit? Tell the truth, I'd forgotten all about road tax, not having paid it for many moons. I'll smite myself as a penance for being dozy!

Still, if you live in a house with a large drive and you choose to keep a boat in it, it seems to me that if you then find you do not have adaquate parking space, it is because you have decided that ownership of a boat and keeping that boat at home are, for you, higher priorities than having space to park a second or third car, and can hardly expect this to be taken into consideration when the issue of whether or not to put yellow lines on the road is being discussed.

The same applies for garages in my opinion. Whatever someone chooses to use a garage for, its intended use is as a place to keep your car, so if someone tells me that he has nowhere to keep his car because he keeps his model railway in the garage or because he owns an unreasonably large vehicle (both matters of personal choice) this argument does not convince me.

Actually, Barmy, if I might add a piece of friendly advice, are you sure you have been through the costs of boat ownership thoroughly? Depends a lot on the boat, of course, but I know many people who sail and work in sailing related businesses (yacht chandlery, boat building, and skippering) and they are all of the opinion that owning a boat is frequently far more expensive than simply hiring one when you need or wish to. Unless you use the boat a great deal more often than many boat owners apparently do, the annual maintenance and transport and/or storage costs can considerably outweigh the cost of hiring a boat when you wish to. You might want to check this does not apply to you, although if you have already ordered the boat it is perhaps a bit late.

Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: barmy on November 15, 2005, 09:56:01 pm
Max,   Thanks for the advice on boat ownership.  Actually it is only an 18ft semi rigid inflatable (A bit like an in-shore lifeboat) that I will use on reservoirs around the area (where such activity is permitted) and maybe occasionally on a trundle to the coast - I am trying to master the art of waterskiing currently.  I do not anticipate especially high costs associated with its ownership as a result. Alas I cannot afford luxury yachts or expensive cruisers.

My point was more that in the case of this thread people have to balance the choice of how they use the space within their property with addressing the issue of introducing parking controls (in the sense of areas being dominated by commuting non-residents) in the area.  People, for different reasons, will make different uses of their available space and may still have a requirement for two or possibly three vehicles (maybe more) - this depends on the size of the family / mobility needs etc....and finding a balance and compromise is the key.

Making parking restrictions enforceable between specific times, as suggested, Monday to Friday (which I didn't specify before) I believe delivers that balance, since during the times when one cannot park on the road most residents won't need to and they are still free to use their spaces within their properties as they wish.

I actually agree with you Max, in the sense I would rather have some kind of parking restriction than the extreme of bumper to bumper cars in the road, but as a resident (paying road tax indeed) I would like the option of parking in the road "off peak", whatever the circumstance of needing to do so.

Balance...

Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: Max on November 16, 2005, 04:31:30 am
Making parking restrictions enforceable between specific times, as suggested, Monday to Friday (which I didn't specify before) I believe delivers that balance, since during the times when one cannot park on the road most residents won't need to and they are still free to use their spaces within their properties as they wish.

I quite agree, Barmy, this strikes me as the most sensible proposal too.
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: Editor on January 13, 2006, 01:32:04 pm
The Bradmore Green one-way system looks like it could soon be introduced. Click here for more (http://www.brookmans.com/news/january06/oneway2.shtml).
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: Alfred the Great on January 13, 2006, 09:45:31 pm
Well I have to admit I went down to the village (on my bike) this afternoon at school closing time and it was mayhem, although all traffic seemed to be going in the same direction. The only downside to this is the absolute plethora of signs which will have to be installed, all of them lit up, which will ruin the looks of the green. Perhaps some discreet signage could be dreamed up?
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: Margaret on January 18, 2006, 10:34:31 am
I'm afraid I am still against any change to the direction of the traffic flow in BP. Nothing has changed since my last post and I can see absolutely no benefit of a one-way system other than to make some people drive even faster. The village triangles are great sleeping policemen!!!!The problems arise from the one or two bad drivers who just stop their car where they like or drive how they like and changing the roads is not going to change that. They will contiune to be inconsiderate drivers whatever you do and putting yellow lines in or charging people just makes life difficult for the rest of us especially the elderly who rely on their local shops. As to the person who says they would not object paying 20p to park their car in the village, I most certainly would. I pay more than enough road tax, income tax and council tax and have no intention of paying more to do one of life's necessary actions i.e. shopping. And I suspect there are a lot of pensioners out there who would also object, at least I hope so. it is bad enough that Potters Bar are now going to charge to park to go shopping. I just hope it won't mean the decline of Potters Bar and force everybody to Tescos.
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: ottoD on February 07, 2006, 10:57:00 am
Putting in a new one way system in such a confined area is sure to lead to a few accidents in the initial weeks as no doubt a number of people won't 'see' the new signs and the people going in the correct direction won't expect to see another vehicle travelling towards them.
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: ADM on February 10, 2006, 10:10:13 am
I got this eMail yesterday....

Dear Mr Manwaring,

I am writing with reference to your e-mail dated 19th January 2006 regarding this matter that has been passed to me for a reply.

I have noted the grounds of your objection which is the only objection we received to this proposed scheme. To summarise these grounds, I would say that they fall into three main categories:

1. Concern that vehicle speeds would increase and put pedestrians' lives (particularly school children) at risk.

2. Concern about the visual clutter (my words) due to the extra signs.

3. Suggestion that motorists should use the free car park near the station or use alternative modes of transport.

Hertfordshire Highways considers that it is safer to make these two service roads one-way than to persist with the current arrangement (together with all the congestion, reversing and general confusion that this seems to cause.)   Whilst the potential for increased vehicle speeds has been considered
in this case, the conclusion is that the service roads are really too short for any significant speeding to occur and that the benefits of the proposal outweigh any potential disbenefits.

This proposal has been developed at the request of North Mymms Parish Council and has the full support of the County Councillor for the area, and the backing of the Highways Joint Member Panel for Welwyn Hatfield. This is the panel of your elected representatives (District and County Councillors) that has decided to fund the proposal, and they may advise officers on any final decision to proceed with the scheme taking your objection into account.

I can confirm that some give way lines have been added to each service road at the request of the police, and that the scheme has been passed by safety audit.

Having regard to the extra signs required by the scheme, those provided will be both the minimum number and the smallest size necessary and we are not of the opinion that these signs will cause any significant harm to the visual appearance of the area.

Whilst I agree with the sentiments you expressed about using the car park and alternative modes of transport, the reality seems to be that the congestion and reversing problems are set to persist unless action is taken to provide a contolled solution such as this scheme.

Bearing in mind the above facts, I am obliged to ask whether you might reconsider the grounds for your objection, and I am hoping that you might wish to withdraw your objection to this proposal. In the event that you decide to withdraw your objection, I should be very grateful if you would write to me either by letter or by e-mail to confirm so.

In the event that you still do not wish to withdraw your objection, please confirm that this is the case, and I shall then need to report the grounds for your objection to the elected representatives as is appropriate in such cases for them to advise me.

I thank you for your interest in this matter, and I look forward to receiving your reply. If you wish to discuss this matter, please do not hesitate to ring me on my direct line number given below.

Yours sincerely,


Mark Goodyear
Assistant District Manager
Welwyn Hatfield Team

At least they bothered to respond but am I really the only person who bothered to object?  Come on chaps!  Don't let the control freaks take over!
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: Bob Horrocks on February 10, 2006, 11:52:36 am
Never thought of myself, or the other parish councillors, as control freaks.  It just seems to be a good idea which should cut down on the number of confrontations in life.

There will be just 8 signs in all, one on each side of of the four ends.

Parents etc apparently have an unofficial one-way system for Bradmore Way and Peplins Way during school run times.  Having once gone the wrong way once, never again!  Anti-clockwise in future should I ever mis-time my journey in that erea again.
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: ADM on February 10, 2006, 12:07:22 pm
If the 'congestion and reversing problems' are all that we are trying to solve, it does seem a bit of a sledgehammer/egg job.  Congestion and reversing problems of this scale are by their nature self-regulatory.  If it gets too congested, people will stop driving there.  I accept that it can occasionally be frustrating for Peplins residents trying to get out, but how often have they been delayed by more than a minute while Grandad gingerly backs into a space?  Not very often, I suspect.

I can think of lots of better ways of spending the money.  How much does this all cost anyway, Bob?

CCTV anyone?  What about some facilities for the kids hanging around the town centre?
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: inda_loft on February 18, 2006, 12:20:38 pm
Bradmore green makes me sick! But its fun too coz my car is old and nackered i just drive through and if i scratch one of the many stupidly large BMW's or Merc's then i just laugh coz you obviously didn't get out the way quick enough!! And by the way im a signwriter and the signs are about 200-300 quid each (don't forget they've got to be frabicated)
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: Angel on March 12, 2006, 01:22:31 pm
Is this one-way system official now?

I've just seen markings on the road but they don't look like they have to be complied with  ???
or are they just there for when someone does come along to put signs etc up?
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: Bob Horrocks on March 13, 2006, 12:00:19 pm
Unless there are signs saying it is one-way, it is still two-way

there will be signs at each end of the two slip roads to indicate the one-way status.
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: Oly on March 14, 2006, 03:27:11 pm
But its fun too coz my car is old and nackered i just drive through and if i scratch one of the many stupidly large BMW's or Merc's then i just laugh coz you obviously didn't get out the way quick enough!! 

I 100% totally aggree, my car is nackered to but im getting a newer one soon so I wont bother driving it down 2 bp where big cars live, i think il stay in pb and north london (ace cafe).

Anyone interested in a 1.25 fiesta, got crash damage but still works?
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: Rocket on March 15, 2006, 01:28:14 pm
The new No Entry & One Way signs are up already! I asked the Hatfield Council for these signs 10 years ago. They said then, that there would be to many signs and would look unsightly!

Rocket.
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: ADM on March 16, 2006, 09:05:43 am
And they were right.
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: sasquartch on March 16, 2006, 12:56:52 pm
I'm not sure who pays for these sort of things but it's another example of a problem being solved that doesnt really exist.

When we're discussing the £16,000 annual cost of a PCSO money is being spent on relatively unimportant things like yet more street signs. OK, I know the cost of this is probably not much in the grand scheme of things but it does seem to indicate strange (to me) priorities.

Perhaps Bob might know what the cost of this project was and who paid for it.

Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: Rocket on March 16, 2006, 01:09:13 pm
I met and asked a PCSO how much does he earn and he replied, that he earns £23,000.

Cheaper in the long run to have CCTV on the Green.

Rocket
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: Lectricary on March 16, 2006, 03:30:43 pm
Having just been to Bradmore Green I noticed two cars parked faceing the wrong way down the new one way system. Is this local bylaw like all the others volantary?
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: Rocket on March 16, 2006, 03:43:00 pm
It's never a 'local by law' as all traffic signs must be obeyed through out the UK. Some drivers drive around on 'auto pilot'. The locals will soon get the message when a vehicle is coming from the correct way :icon_jokercolor:

Rocket
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: Bob Horrocks on March 16, 2006, 04:12:53 pm
Sorry but I have no idea of the cost.  But it cannot be £16,000 and it is Herts Highways money, not police money.

Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: Rocket on March 16, 2006, 04:25:32 pm
Already a 'one-way' sign has been bent over at 45 degrees outside Hollywood. But all is in hand, as I've all ready informed the Herts Highway Office.

Rocket
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: ottoD on March 17, 2006, 08:40:23 am
It's not much use having road signs that some drivers obviously don't understand. I saw two close incidents this morning whilst crossing the green. The new one way system is an obvious licence to collect money for any aspiring traffic cop ;)
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: Rocket on March 17, 2006, 09:19:42 am
Traffice cops are only seen in Bradmore Green, when there is a robbery or worse! Also, you'll never see a Traffice Meter Warden in Brookmans Park, because there are only 4 of them for the whole of Hatfiedl & Welwyn district. >:(
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: Rocket on March 17, 2006, 10:05:44 am
Hold fire! The 'No Entry' signs etc, in Bradmore Green have been covered up with Bin liners! :o Expect they have to be approved by the EEC first? :icon_jokercolor:

Rocket
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: sasquartch on March 17, 2006, 10:33:44 am
Noticed that too on my way to work this morning.

Although the 'No Entry' signs at Co-Op eand of road weren't

Also, the sign outside Hollywood looks reasonably straight - has this been repaired already, doesnt look like at a 45 degree angle to me.
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: Rocket on March 17, 2006, 10:39:27 am
Alll signs have been covered up now. :icon_scratch:

The crooked sign outside Hollywood was straightened the same afternoon, probably by the person who did it ;)

Rocket
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: Peter Hastings on March 20, 2006, 11:41:06 am
I thought the new one way system was a good idea BUT firstly what has happened to it? It was full on for a day or so, now we have road markings but covered signs. It is mayhem on the old school run. Is there a plan here and if so what is it?

Secondly and I am not a road planner but if it all stays as it is isnt it set up back to front? On the one day it was all up and running people coming down Bluebridge or Brookmans had to go right up to the same junction (where the Hotel is) and turn right, across oncoming traffic, to get into the school road. They could then use the new one way bit by the shops to return. I just assumed it would be set up the other way round, so the incoming traffic in the morning turned down by the shops, thus relieving rather than trebling the traffic at the junction and then allowing them to return by turning left at that junction. All we seem to have acheived is to make sure that everyone coming to school from whatever direction has to pass through the junction where the Hotel is and most of them will be turning right?? Now I can see we will need a roundabout soon to keep the junction working properly and maybe a flyover for those trying to go straight through.  What was the thinking on this?

Also is there clarification on the cost-I suspect looking at earlier posts that the comparison with the PCSO muddled the figures up.

Thanks to anyone who can unconfuse me.
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: Rocket on March 20, 2006, 12:26:29 pm
The signs will remain covered up untill they become legall. For further info' call the Highways Maintenance (HHC) on, 01438 737320
Regarding the 'one way' around Bradmore Green, I think all children should be walked to school with there lazy parents within say, one mile radius! :-* My chidren always walked to both Brookmans Park Junior and Chancellors School.
Also, the 'one way' places the vehicle on the correct side of the narrow road/s when parking, which leaves only the driver  to worry about the off side door being opened in front of the overtaking traffic.
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: Bob Horrocks on March 22, 2006, 10:40:52 am
The direction of the one-way system was carefully thought out.  The section in front of the library in particular.  If it had been the other way round there would be only one way out of Bradmore Way/Peplins Way.   It would have created a bottle-neck
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: Peter Hastings on March 23, 2006, 07:35:28 am
Thanks for the explanation re the direction of the one way-neither of those points had occured to me. Believe me though it was chaotic the one day the signs were uncovered with only one way into the Peplins Way area and many people having to turn right across that junction. Let's hope it works better when people get used to it.

Yes walking to school is to be encouraged. We live at the other end of Georges Wood Road- about a mile or so from the school and there is no way our 4 year old has the energy nor we the time to walk all the way. We regularly park in the village outside the Coop or in the Hotel Car park and walk from there. The Hotel have given parents permission to do this which is a practical way to avoid Peplins and get some exercise. People wont do this though if it is raining etc.

Of course to get to the Hotel you now have to go through the one junction with everyone else??!!  Still lets hope for the best. How long till the signs are uncovered?
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: Bob Horrocks on March 23, 2006, 01:16:43 pm
I imagine the signs will become legal once an official notice has appeared in the WH Times in the public announcements section.

When my wife and/or I have to pick up the grandchildren from the school we park in the side road next to the church and walk.  It is only 5 minutes walk, and you can get to that road through the alleyway next to the hairdressers.

There is no change to getting into the hotel car park, surely?  That section of road in front of the Vets is unchanged.  Only the sliproad in front of the library is to become one-way, plus the one in front of Statons estate agents.  Both will be in the same direction to simplify things.
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: Peter Hastings on March 23, 2006, 06:34:35 pm
Yes Bob we sometimes park in the Church as an alternative and maybe thats the way to go.

Now all traffic into the school in the morning has to use the same junction outside the Hotel it is going to be tougher. However I guess there was a choice of a bottleneck in or a bottleneck out and I do think the slip roads needed to be one way one way or another so lets see how it goes. I am sure it will be ok when we all get used to it.
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: JMT on March 24, 2006, 10:32:05 am
Once the new one-way system is up and running, surely it would make sense if the "unofficial one-way" run to and from school now went down Peplins Way and from the school down Bradmore Way, thus not having to cross the traffic at the junction of Peplins and Bradmore Way.
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: sasquartch on March 24, 2006, 10:50:56 am
That has already been suggested, the reason is apparently so that if cars travel anti-clockwise around the block they can pull up outside the school without children having to then cross the road.
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: Rocket on March 24, 2006, 10:56:01 am
Once the new one-way system is up and running, surely it would make sense if the "unofficial one-way" run to and from school now went down Peplins Way and from the school down Bradmore Way, thus not having to cross the traffic at the junction of Peplins and Bradmore Way.

I think it makes safe sense, if school traffic went in an anti clock direction, therefore, allowing children to alight from thier vehicles without having to cross the road and hold up even more traffic! Are you all aware that it is illegal to stop, even for a moment, within the zig zag lines!!!
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: Bob Horrocks on March 24, 2006, 11:15:55 am
I agree with JMT.  An anti-clockwise system would make a bottleneck at the junction of Peplins Way and Bradmore Way as cars try to emerge out of Peplins Way into Bradmore Green.
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: Rocket on March 24, 2006, 11:20:07 am
I agree with JMT.  An anti-clockwise system would make a bottleneck at the junction of Peplins Way and Bradmore Way as cars try to emerge out of Peplins Way into Bradmore Green.
That's very true! But at least the children are droped off & picked up on time, safely!
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: Margaret on March 24, 2006, 01:45:44 pm
Has anyone considered the residents of Peplins/Bradmore in this. If I lived at the first few houses in Peplins I would be very peeved at having to drive all the way round the block and visa versa just so twice a day parents can drop or collect their children of at the school. What happend to the idea of walking children to school etc. surely the safest way.
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: sasquartch on March 24, 2006, 01:50:59 pm
I live in Peplins Way and traffic is very heavy at school run times. However it's only for a couple of short periods each day - really I can't see it as a great issue even if I did have to drive all the way round.
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: Rocket on March 24, 2006, 01:52:20 pm
Has anyone considered the residents of Peplins/Bradmore in this. If I lived at the first few houses in Peplins I would be very peeved at having to drive all the way round the block and visa versa just so twice a day parents can drop or collect their children of at the school. What happend to the idea of walking children to school etc. surely the safest way.

The residents are already use to this little traffic jam at school times. They probably drive on either side of the school start & finishe times?
I also think that Peplins and Bradmore Way should be made one-way anti clock anyway!
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: Nonloso on March 24, 2006, 07:36:40 pm
No matey, the residents aren't used to it. I am sick of inconsiderate, arrogant and incompetent drivers who think that they have right of way at all times and in complete ignorance of the highway code. I can't understand why the fat, lazy mothers and their spoilt brats can't walk or cycle. Most of them live within a mile at most - it would hardly kill them.
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: Rocket on March 24, 2006, 08:48:07 pm
No matey, the residents aren't used to it. I am sick of inconsiderate, arrogant and incompetent drivers who think that they have right of way at all times and in complete ignorance of the highway code. I can't understand why the fat, lazy mothers and their spoilt brats can't walk or cycle. Most of them live within a mile at most - it would hardly kill them.
Read post 27 on 20th March. :'(
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: Bob on March 24, 2006, 11:21:37 pm
No matey, the residents aren't used to it. I am sick of inconsiderate, arrogant and incompetent drivers who think that they have right of way at all times and in complete ignorance of the highway code. I can't understand why the fat, lazy mothers and their spoilt brats can't walk or cycle. Most of them live within a mile at most - it would hardly kill them.
Read post 27 on 20th March. :'(

Do you mean "reply 66, 20th March ?
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: Editor on March 25, 2006, 08:50:18 am
Does anyone in the insurance business know what the likely outcome would be if there was a prang in the one-way system while the signs are covered but while the roads have clear markings with a white directional arrow one end and large white 'NO ENTRY' letters the other? Would the person observing the white markings be in the right, or do the black bin bags on the signs, in effect, 'cover' the markings too?
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: Rocket on March 25, 2006, 10:48:56 am
No matey, the residents aren't used to it. I am sick of inconsiderate, arrogant and incompetent drivers who think that they have right of way at all times and in complete ignorance of the highway code. I can't understand why the fat, lazy mothers and their spoilt brats can't walk or cycle. Most of them live within a mile at most - it would hardly kill them.
Read post 27 on 20th March. :'(

Do you mean "reply 66, 20th March ?

Yes! ;)
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: mungroo on March 25, 2006, 09:42:59 pm
The problem is not so much the school run - it's the STUPID people taking their ONE kid to school in their STUPID 4x4's. I dropped my daughter off to school in Little Heath on Friday - this school has a similar arrangement with the church next door where you can use the car park. There is a 'one way system' during the school run times and this would work quite well were it not for the idiot mums in their huge gas guzzlers that take up MORE than one car park space. The roads are also narrow so it's a total nightmare manoeuvring. It's the same as transporting each child in their very own mini-bus - but without the snob value. I was absolutely livid on Friday as I just could not see the point. I HATE THESE DAMN THINGS ! It's not as if the terrain around Brookmans Park + Potters Bar is that bad is it ? 95% of these mums are local and do not need these kind of vehicles for taking their children to school - if you're having to use the M25 or the A1 then maybe yes - but not for residential roads in a small town or village. There are plenty of small/medium sized cars available these days with plenty of safety features that can be considered as alternatives.
I am so angry !  >:(

Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: Peter Hastings on March 26, 2006, 01:23:10 pm
The unofficial anti-clockwise one-way system at school times does work. It cannot be fun living there but it does only last a few minutes and most parents make sure they do not block drives. Without the one-way system, the whole thing would take longer and be more dangerous. The only time there is chaos is when someone comes the other way round-I am guessing usually a delivery van or such like who doesnt know and wonders why he gets a pile of traffic and stern looks. Making it official would remove that problem.

it would also allow the zig zag markings to be corrected so they covered the approach to the school and outside the school properly. Jitu was down there the other day and certainly people who park on the zig zags or over drives dont help and should be penalised.

Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: sasquartch on March 26, 2006, 03:23:18 pm
The unofficial system does seem to work.

As a Peplins Way resident I would not want to see a permanent 'official' one way system implemented for the simple reason it is only needed for a few minutes twice a day, and then only on school days.

All that is needed is for people who have to drive to school do so considerately - and for those that dont consider either parking at the church or walking/cycling to school instead.

I think we're looking very hard for an answer to a problem that doesnt really exist.
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: Rocket on March 27, 2006, 09:52:18 am
No doubt, the Head Master of BP school from time to time, askes or gives the children a letter to pass on to their parents a request to drive the unofficial 'anti-clock' route? ;)

Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: AgentOrange on March 27, 2006, 12:39:45 pm
Personally, the Bradmore Green one way system clarifies a somewhat dubious road layout. As for the BP school run, perhaps mungroo needs to moderate his language. I have seen much poor driving and inconsiderate parking at school run times, and there is precious little correlation with vehicle size. Perhaps, as todays 'Times' suggests, munroo needs a good tickle to halt the post / 4x4 rage! :)


Perhaps mungroo (and others of a similar ilk), need to take a look at this from the BBC:-

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4829628.stm

And do try the quiz - it may broaden your understanding!
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: mungroo on March 27, 2006, 09:37:20 pm
hmmm...I haven't seen too many Rolls Royce Phantoms on the school run lately !

My point has nothing to do with the environmental aspect - it has all to do with the size of some of these monsters e.g. Range Rover, Toyota Land Cruiser, B*W X5, Discovery, Volvo XC90, Jeep Grand Cherokee, Merc ML etc etc. These things are huge and I talk from personal experience of having seen mums struggle with these things in the small car park. This means cars are not parked efficiently, it takes ages to park and un-park one of these beasts and all this causes a huge 'backlog' in the unofficial one-way system causing chaos. I really feel sorry for the local residents who cannot get in or out of their own roads. The point about a 'high' car being easy to load/take out kids is a perfectly valid one - but even then, there are many other safe and practical small cars that are suited to this task and wont cause a gridlock.
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: Rocket on March 28, 2006, 10:05:43 am
hmmm...I haven't seen too many Rolls Royce Phantoms on the school run lately !

My point has nothing to do with the environmental aspect - it has all to do with the size of some of these monsters e.g. Range Rover, Toyota Land Cruiser, B*W X5, Discovery, Volvo XC90, Jeep Grand Cherokee, Merc ML etc etc. These things are huge and I talk from personal experience of having seen mums struggle with these things in the small car park. This means cars are not parked efficiently, it takes ages to park and un-park one of these beasts and all this causes a huge 'backlog' in the unofficial one-way system causing chaos. I really feel sorry for the local residents who cannot get in or out of their own roads. The point about a 'high' car being easy to load/take out kids is a perfectly valid one - but even then, there are many other safe and practical small cars that are suited to this task and wont cause a gridlock.
Still say that the kids & parents that are abel to walk, should! >:(
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: AgentOrange on March 28, 2006, 11:12:34 am
I have seen one, but the the article makes the point that the rant about 'gas guzzling' 4X4s is ill thought out - even Greenpeace agree with that. Nevertheless, I agree with the parking issue - it takes practice and effort to park safely in any large vehicle. I personally would like to see further driving test brought in for any large vehicle.

The article also made the point about the height of the 4X4 being useful when getting children in and out. This is the a valid point - my aching back from my old car is now much happier.

Children should be able to walk and cycle to school - oh yes! Fine theory. Two points . One, the state abandoned local schools (particularly at secondary level in this area) a long time ago with specialist schools. Come all from any old where and sod the local community. Two, suppose you have 1 child at a primary school and one at a secondary school - what are you supposed to do, teleport? So get practical, get real.

Oh and what happened to that age old English virtue of patiently waiting in a queue? Even for someone parking? Or did that virtue get left out of education a long time ago and I did not notice?
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: Nonloso on March 28, 2006, 05:53:52 pm
The one at secondary school can get the bus, train or school bus.
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: mungroo on March 28, 2006, 07:33:30 pm
My rant about gas guzzling 4x4s was ill placed in this particular debate - it just came out in the heat of the moment - but to me, the bigger the car, the more heavy metal you have to shift and the more fuel you need to shift it - but that's a different argument on a different thread.

My main point is that the reason we get congestion on narrow roads and small car parks is due to big monsters like Range Rovers, Porsche Cayenne, Toyota Land Cruiser.

Re "the point about age old English virtue of patiently waiting in a queue" - I still think happens to a degree and we are far better at it than other places - e.g. France/Italy.

As for walking/commuting to school - this is absolutely the right thing where possible - but it just isn't always possible.
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: Rocket on April 21, 2006, 10:37:13 am
Well, the covers are off the NO ENTRY signs  on Bradmore Green and still some idiots are ignoring them! ::)
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: peppermint on May 07, 2006, 10:18:39 pm
I have noticed when turning right opposite the butchers that a signpost has been erected on the corner of the green.   It has been hit a number of times and there was broken glass there last week.   It is a particularly tight turn and if possible cars should avoid parking on that corner by the greengrocers.
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: Lectricary on May 07, 2006, 11:59:38 pm
Whilst voting last week I asked the local community officers what they were doing about the cars parked the wrong way round in the new one way system. Apparently enforcing the law is down to the council parking officer and they have been to the village 3 times this year. In other words Not my problem guv. If any body spots a council parking officer can they inform the WWW they might be able to start a captive breeding program.
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: Editor on July 01, 2006, 12:35:12 pm

One way or not one way - what's with the bin bags?

Bradmore Green - has the highways deparment had second thoughts?
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: Peter Hastings on July 05, 2006, 12:32:19 pm
its to give life interest now we are out of the world cup-one week on one week off I think. we were all just getting used to it too.
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: Abbot on July 05, 2006, 10:41:54 pm
Is it OK to put bin bags over speed cameras???
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: Dubhagan on July 07, 2006, 12:21:57 pm
Good to see that speeding is on the agenda-yet again. I wonder if they will ever deal with the Station Road by-pass  i:e Holloways Lane in Welham Green. I live a few doors from the chicane and it can be very exciting at times. The neighbours have petitioned the appropriate authorities but have been told that as there hasn't been a MAJOR incident nothing can be done.  Dubhagan
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: Mermaid on July 07, 2006, 01:39:04 pm

I have now had a reply from the Highways Department regarding the bin bags over the one-way signs in Bradmore Green:

There has been a 'legal hitch' with the Traffic Order and the signs need to be amended - at the moment they are not legally enforceable. This will be sorted - "within weeks rather than months, and obviously as quickly as possible".

Hertfordshire Highways apologises for the inconvenience and asks that drivers CONTINUE TO TREAT IT AS A ONE-WAY SYSTEM (the lettering is still on the road) but to DRIVE WITH CAUTION.
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: Editor on July 07, 2006, 03:14:25 pm
Thanks Mermaid.

David
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: John_fraser on July 07, 2006, 05:08:55 pm
Quote
This will be sorted - "within weeks rather than months, and obviously as quickly as possible".

This topic started with:
Hertfordshire Highways is considering a request for a one-way system to be introduced on some roads around Brookmans Park’s Bradmore Green.

Yes, it's taken them over two years to get this far and now they hope for "weeks rather than months". Wonderful :(
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: Peter Hastings on July 07, 2006, 08:04:11 pm
This grinding incompetence does wear you down doesnt it? wouldnt it be safer to leave the bags off and not tell anyone they cant be prosecuted? Now the road signs are wrong and we can all see the signs covered. Drive carefully but you can drive where you like-great?
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: Rocket on July 14, 2006, 10:54:46 am
Does anyone know why the No Entry and One Way Signs have been covered up?
I have been away for a couple of weeks.
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: Mermaid on July 14, 2006, 12:27:40 pm
See thread for Bradmore Green one-way proposal .....
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: Cassie on July 14, 2006, 01:31:47 pm
See thread for Bradmore Green one-way proposal .....

here! (http://www.brookmans.com/forum/index.php?topic=769.msg9644;topicseen#msg9644)
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: Editor on July 16, 2006, 12:30:45 pm
I've merged the threads to keep all discussions together.

David
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: Rocket on July 16, 2006, 12:31:30 pm
This grinding incompetence does wear you down doesnt it? wouldnt it be safer to leave the bags off and not tell anyone they cant be prosecuted? Now the road signs are wrong and we can all see the signs covered. Drive carefully but you can drive where you like-great?

Why are the road signs wrong? :icon_scratch:
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: Peter Hastings on July 16, 2006, 01:57:40 pm
The impression I get is the signs are ok but there are technicalities over notices that have to be given before putting up such signs which have not been met first time round and they have had to start again. Its a mess up whatever.
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: inda_loft on July 25, 2006, 06:07:20 pm
Seems funny that HH can afford to think about doing the job but not to actually do it - surely eight grey metal tubes with round signs on the top don't cost that much?

ATG

you'd be suprised. I make them all day and theres the aly which has to be cut and have channels rivited to it then its cleaned and has class 1 white reflective vinyl rolled on (which ain't easy believe me!!!) then you've got to line up the other coloured bits of vinyl on top. and thats just one.
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: ADM on July 26, 2006, 09:05:43 am
Ladies and gentlemen......................

The bags are off!
Title: Re: Bradmore Green one-way Proposal
Post by: Editor on October 29, 2006, 07:11:43 pm
Conversation overhead yesterday as a woman (who was parking the wrong way in the Bradmore Green one-way system) was approached by another woman.

Pedestrian: "Do you realise this is a one-way system".
Motorist: "Oh yes, I do".

End of conversation.

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