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General Discussion Boards => Neighbourhood Watch and Local Crime => Topic started by: Bob Horrocks on June 09, 2006, 02:08:09 pm

Title: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: Bob Horrocks on June 09, 2006, 02:08:09 pm
At a public meeting earlier this year in Brookmans Park attended by about 100 residents, a strong desire was expressed for more police presence in the area.  North Mymms Parish Council then met a police Inspector to find out the details of an offer of a Police Community Support Officer (PCSO) 

In the next week or so every house in North Mymms parish should receive a letter from the parish council asking you to vote on funding a PCSO. The closing date is 14 July 2006 which will enable the results to be presented at the parish council meeting on 26 July. 

Responses are to be sent to the parish council office in Bushwood Close, off Dellsome Lane, Welham Green.  In addition, collection boxes for responses will be in the ‘Brookmans Park News’ shop and the Welham Green Post Office.

Please vote so that the wishes of the majority can be carried out.  Also, any help with deliveries would be appreciated – you can contact me via the IM symbol at the side of this posting.  Deliveries would only take you an hour or two at the most.

The offer is a PCSO dedicated to patrol this parish i.e. Brookmans Park, Welham Green, Bell Bar, and parts of Little Heath and Bullens Green.  It is subject to the parish council paying about £1,300 a month for a two-year period, which is 50% of the total cost. 

This could increase the precept raised by the Parish Council in the Council Tax bills for 2007/8 by up to 10%, apart from any other change due to inflation etc.  For 2006/7, general reserves might fund a PCSO for the last few months of the year.  As discussed previously, the North Mymms Parish Council precept increased by an average of 3.5% for the last 11 years.  This 40% increase compares with a national average Council Tax increase of about 80% over the last 9 years.         
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: John_fraser on June 14, 2006, 09:58:47 pm
Personally, I have some problems with this. I know that this isn’t a referendum, at least not officially, but I imagine that the PC will take the results of this poll as a mandate. Indeed, if they do not intend to use the result of this as a mandate there seems little point in the exercise. Therefore, it is important that the vote is carried out in accordance with basic democratic principals. So I wonder of Bob, or anyone from the PC, could answer the following questions


On the idea of a PCSO: If we show we are willing to pay additional tax for a service that should be included in our existing taxes then in future we will be expected (and forced) to pay to continue getting other services we currently use. Don’t’ belive me?
 
 Rubbish collection 'may be taxed' (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/5074558.stm)
 Road charge plans (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4610877.stm)
 Council in school transport cut (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/south_of_scotland/5073066.stm)
 2,000 dentists walked away from the NHS after not signing a new contract (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4889226.stm)

Need I go on?
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: Greybeard on June 15, 2006, 08:11:05 am
In this letter, will it tell us how much we are paying for policing already, and what we are getting for our money?
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: southbury on June 15, 2006, 11:07:52 am
John ,

I very much enjoy reading your lenghthy treatsies on the demoacratic process.

I think ( and I am sure I will be corrected if I am wrong ) that what Bob is trying to do is simply establish as to whether we want in some way to establish a safer environment for our families in North Mymms . Of course a better funded , better resourced and better managed police service would be ideal but is that likely . Do you expect to see more police on the streets of North Mymms serving local people and delivering on local issues.

However this is South-East England 2006 not Utopia and if I have to pay for more security for my family , friends and neighbours then that is life in 2006.

Should BOb and the Parish council really be made to explain their every move and motive (when unless I am wrong ?) they have already been democratically elected  and therefore do have a community mandate.

Where do you think that their (NMPC) motives lie .. surely with the community not some self-serving political agenda ?

Steve
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: Nonloso on June 15, 2006, 02:58:56 pm
The way that democracy works in this country is that we elect representatives based on their manifestos, who then do whatever they see fit during their term of office. If we don't like what they do, we vote them out the next time. It's up to them if they choose to consult the people they represent and it's up to them how they do the consultation.
They are accountable if they act dishonestly but not if they just do things you don't agree with.
If you don't like the way that local democracy works then you need to vote for a party in central government which will change things to how you want them. If such a party doesn't exist then you are free to start one and persuade people to vote for you based on your policies. This would be a much more positive activity than deconstructing every action of the unpaid volunteers on our parish council whio are trying to do the best they can to help our local community.
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: Bob Horrocks on June 15, 2006, 09:17:31 pm
Sorry about the length of this but a number of points have been raised which deserve answering.

The letter now being distributed is from the parish council, not me. I am merely the person keeping you informed on activities.  The letter simply asks if you are in favour or against this offer of a PCSO.  The paper is tinted so photocopies will be noticeable. The reply section does not ask for any identification.  If there are more than 3,600 replies then some are forgeries!  The results will be put to the NMPC meeting on 26 July and hopefully a decision will be made on whether or not to take up this offer.

It is one letter per house, so if there is a difference of opinion within the household, then don’t reply, or abide by the majority decision within the household.  The electoral register is irrelevant.   NMPC simply wants to know what residents want.  As to an independent overseer, this is not deciding whether or we are going to war in Iraq!  We are talking about a local PCSO at a cost of less than 2p a day per house.       

How much does it cost to police North Mymms parish?  Almost impossible to say.  Part of your Council Tax bill is paid to the police, part to the County Council, part to Welwyn Hatfield and part to the parish council.  Both the County and Welwyn Hatfield make contributions to Herts Police, and also central government of course.  NMPC does not make any direct payment to the police.

The letter being circulated states that this PCSO, working just in this parish, will cost NMPC (therefore you!) about £1,310 a month for 2 years once a PCSO has been employed.  Put another way, £16,000 a year split between 3,600 houses is an average of £4.50 a house a year, or less than 2p a day.

Incidentally, the 8 parish councillors did not have to produce a manifesto.  At the last election 10 people stood for the 10 positions so no vote was necessary.  We do not get involved in party politics at the meetings.  We simply try to do what we feel is best for the community in which we live.

On behalf of the parish council, I thank those who have volunteered to help distribute this letter.  This Brookmans Park website is a wonderful means of making contact with people who you would not normally meet.  Thanks very much to Dave and the team for creating this website.
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: southbury on June 16, 2006, 07:30:11 am
Bob

For what it's worth I think that many people are grateful for the work that people like you do on our behalf . I hide behind the excuse that I can not get fully  'involved' in local issues as I do not 'have the time' . Thank-goodness there are always community minded people that use their precious time and resources on our behalf and make it easier for the rest of us.

rgds
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: John_fraser on June 16, 2006, 09:11:48 pm
For those who won’t read longish posts, does anyone know the answer to the following: I was chatting to an old friend who is a police officer in the Metropolitan Police. They told me that the Met has a policy that PCSOs are not allowed to patrol on their own. They must be accompanied by a police officer or another PCSO. Is the same policy implemented in Herts Police? Because, if it is, there seems little point hiring just one PCSO.

Nonloso,

Elections give representatives a mandate, but only a mandate. It does not give them totalitarian control until the next election. Every branch of government, right down to the PC should be open to public scrutiny and be required to justify its actions. That is the way democracy works in this country.

Southbury,

The PC has a mandate, but it wishes to establish if we are willing to pay for a PCSO (everyone wants a safer environment for our families, it’s just that I don’t think that a PCSO will achieve that). Fine, I have absolutely no issue with the PC doing some consultation. But I think if it is going to consult, then it should make sure that the results of the consultation are valid.

Bob,

Thank you for answering the questions. It strikes me that the result of this poll (or referendum) will be highly questionable if a house with several people will have no more weight than a house with a single occupant, when no precautions are made against letters being intercepted and there is no independent check on the fairness of the poll (or vote).  The decision to invade Iraq had no proper consultation and no independent checks – and look at the mess that’s turned into.
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: Bob Horrocks on June 19, 2006, 05:32:33 pm
If any household has divided views then each person can write a separate letter to NMPC to express their individual opinion, by 14 July please.  Address - Council Office, Bushwood Close, Welham Green, AL9 7YZ

For want of a better description,  what is being done is a survey.  As a result of this Forum discussion, several people have been generous enough to help with distributing this letter from NMPC, for which many thanks.   

Someone asked me how much this PCSO would cost per household.  £16,000 a year split between about 3,600 houses equals £4.50  or less than 2p a day per house.     (sorry, John, but these are rough and ready figures because not all houses are in the same Council Tax band).

The wording of the letter is neutral.  As for an independent check, is John suggesting that the results will be fiddled to produce a desired result?  I do not for one minute believe that the parish council would go against the outcome of the survey.  If the result is close, then who knows what will be decided?  As it stands, I do not know which way the other councillors would vote, and I have changed my mind twice in the last few days. 

As for accountability and openness, NMPC has had its own website www.NorthMymmsPC.ukf.net since last year and publishes the minutes of all council and committee minutes once they have been approved.  The annual Income and Expenditure Account and Balance Sheet as at 31 March 2006 will be added once they have been audited. 

Anyone can contact NMPC and express their view on any actions being taken, or not being taken by NMPC.  Every communication is considered seriously and replied to.  All 10 positions on NMPC will be coming up for election in May 2007.  The NMPC website includes a section on eligibility and duties of a parish councillor.
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: John_fraser on June 19, 2006, 09:58:58 pm
Bob,

I did not suggest that the PC would fiddle the results, either deliberately or unconsciously, nor do I think it is intending to. My remarks on openness and accountability were clearly in direct answer to Nonsolo’s view that democracy is a once a year thing the starts and stops at the ballet box. But I think you knew that already.

What I do feel is that if the PC is going to ask what people want then it needs to make sure the answer it gets representative, otherwise the exercise is pointless – regardless of outcome. There remains a number of questions that cast doubt on the result (whatever the result) despite the tacked on split vote amendment. For example, why do the views of a person living in a house on their own count for as much as the views of several people living in one house?

John
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: Bob Horrocks on June 21, 2006, 12:04:55 pm
Good question John.

Each house receives one Council Tax bill so each house should give one opinion on the question posed in the circular letter since it will affect future Council Tax bills.

I feel certain that you did not imply any fiddle of the results etc, but I just wanted to clarify the situation.  At a parish council level of local government we operate at a very basic level of provision of services to local residents. 

NMPC is worried about the level of policing in the parish and a PCSO might be the answer, but NMPC wants to know what everyone else thinks. There may be other avenues which could be explored but a PCSO is what is currently on offer.

This is not casting any slur on PC JItu Dave and his fellow officers.  As I said to him at Village Day, I think he is doing a great community policing job and is very visible in the area.  For example, when did you last see a police officer going round talking to people in this annual fete?  Well done Jitu!
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: John_fraser on June 23, 2006, 04:12:46 pm
Bob,

I had a feeling you were going to say that. The trouble is that it doesn’t hold water. If the weighting of views is based upon the bill then band H houses should be give more weight than a band A and 25% of the views from single occupant house should be discounted. Clearly this would be idiotic, which is why we tend to use a single no transferable vote in elections and view in polls.

On the PCSO: What guarantees do we have that the police won’t use the excuse of a PSCO to further reduce what limited patrols we currently have?
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: Mermaid on June 23, 2006, 05:15:48 pm

Where does Bob mention weighting? He merely says one bill per household, one vote per household. I'm sure that the majority of households will be able to reach an amicable agreement on which way to vote. If not, then it may be best to abstain.

Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: John_fraser on June 23, 2006, 05:34:07 pm
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It strikes me that the result of this poll (or referendum) will be highly questionable if a house with several people will have no more weight than a house with a single occupant
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Each house receives one Council Tax bill so each house should give one opinion on the question posed

So equal weight is given to each house, not each person as is normal, because there one payment per hous. Which reads as he who pays the piper... By that logic the amount of payment should decide the importance of the vote/opionion/whatever.

Another question on the PSCO: If after two years the PC decides not to keep the PCSO would they be entitled to redundancy pay and, if so, would the PCSO be liable?
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: Peter Hastings on June 23, 2006, 05:39:37 pm
I hope the PCSO already exists and it is a question of allocating to us if we bear some of the cost. There should be no redundancy if the PCSO is employed by Herts Constabulary as s/he can go elsewhere in the county. Anyway would be down to the employer-The Chief Constable.
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: Mermaid on June 23, 2006, 06:19:04 pm

If it's a two-year contract, there's no redundancy needed at the end of it anyway!
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: Bob Horrocks on June 23, 2006, 09:16:15 pm
 John said 'So equal weight is given to each house, not each person as is normal'.  Sorry John but normal what?  This survey by your parish council is something that has not happened before as far as I know.  It is a one-off.

John - the parish council is not a big business, for goodness sake!!!!!!  Your suggestion would cost more than the cost of the PCSO.   As it is, the survey will cost about £200 or 5.5p per house (3,600 houses), thanks to the volunteer distributors and my database of roads and numbers of houses in each road. 

For a 2-year period this PCSO would cost an average of less than 2p per house per day, maybe the cost of 2 or 3 pints of beer a year per house.     Hand on heart, John and admit that you are taking the you-know-what with your suggested hugely expensive alternative exercise in carrying out this survey.  And what would it gain that would be worth knowing?

The PCSO would be employed by the police force, not the parish council.  In view of the turmoil created by the Home Office, formerly ODPM, in the structure etc of the police forces, you can understand that the Herts Police were unable to say what might happen after the offered 2-year subsidy ends.

Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: Alfred the Great on June 23, 2006, 09:53:49 pm
Well I wasn't going to say anything but it seems to me that if the vote is obviously heavily in one direction or another, then the decision would be clear no matter how the vote was carried out (unless only 3 houses vote of course). If it is fairly even for or against then I suppose the P Council would have to think again.

ATG
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: John_fraser on June 23, 2006, 10:52:34 pm
Normal as in "Normal procedures organizations take when they want to get a representative view on what people think." And what it it would gain that would be worth knowing is that the result is accurate (Mori and Gallup exist for a reason). Otherwise the 200GBP may as well be swapped for the tossing of a coin, because as it stands, not matter the outcome, you will have no idea if this is really what people think.  And I am 100% serious. Do it properly or why do it at all?

From your answer, do I take it that the PC has no idea what will happen at the end of two years?

Are the PC able to say what will stop the police using the PCSO to justify a further reduction in our cover?

Does the two year cost include any shift allowance?

Of the recent break ins, which prompted the meeting mentioned in your post on the 9th, how many took place prior to 11pm - the end time of the PCSO's cover as mentioned in the letter?

Has the PC spoken to the police about more frequent patrols? Patrols by real police.

How effective have PCSOs been in reducing crime in other areas?
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: Bob Horrocks on June 24, 2006, 12:25:38 pm
NMPC is damned by John if it consults and damned if it doesn't.  Is he really suggesing that NMPC employs MORI to conduct this survey?  It has neither the information, staff, or money to carry out what John is suggesting.  Taking John's theory of he who pays the piper etc, in a general election more  weighting should be given to voters who pay the most tax.  If I did not know otherwise I would suspect John of being employed by the Rural Payments Agency.

The questions he posed are for the police to answer, not NMPC.  NMPC was told that it could not have any more full police officer coverage than what is done now. 

The police do not know what shape, size, finance etc the police forces will have in 2 years time.  That is obvious from a casual reading of news reports.  Any promise of what might happen after 2 years could easily be overtaken by events, which is why the police refused to discuss beyond 2 years. 

Having seen the collection box in BP News, more than 3 people have given their opinion already.  The more replies the better.    There is also a collection box at Welham green Post Office, and you can mail your reply, or email it.  By 14 July please.

Correction made 26 June.   - emails and phone calls will be noted but response slips are what will be counted.  Sorry if I misled anyone.
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: John_fraser on June 24, 2006, 03:54:19 pm
Bob,

If the PC is unable to answer the questions, or is unable to get the answers from the police, then it has no real idea of what it is paying for (i.e. asking us to pay for)  or how much it is actually going to have to pay. It appears that the PCSO idea has not been thought trough by the PC.

My theory is not, <i> who pays the piper calls the tune</i>, the remark was a parody of your one bill one opinion post and is clear so when read in context. The PC is not dammed if they do and dammed if they don’t. They are dammed if they try to do it in a poorly thought out  way

I’m sure there’s an insult in the RPA jibe, but it’s sadly wasted on me.

Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: Editor on June 24, 2006, 08:33:35 pm

In the next week or so every house in North Mymms parish should receive a letter from the parish council asking you to vote on funding a PCSO. The closing date is 14 July 2006 which will enable the results to be presented at the parish council meeting on 26 July.   


Hi Bob,

I am interested in this issue and have been trying to follow the robust and healthy debate in this forum, but I have still to receive any information. Are details being posted to residents in Moffats Lane? I'd like to know what is being proposed and what we are being asked.

David
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: Editor on June 25, 2006, 07:27:40 am
Dear all,

I have split this topic because it was buried under the council tax thread and, although it is also a council tax issue, it was becoming hard to find where this debate started within that thread.

Laurel at the Welwyn Hatfield Times has written a piece about this topic in this week's issue of the paper. Click here if you would like to read it (http://www.whtimes.co.uk/content/whtimes/news/story.aspx?brand=WHTOnline&category=News&tBrand=herts24&tCategory=newswhtnew&itemid=WEED20%20Jun%202006%2015%3A58%3A03%3A163).

David
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: Peter Hastings on June 25, 2006, 10:38:40 am
It would be nice if more people were on the net and more got on the forum then the PC would have a clear idea of the balance of opinions without having to spend time and money trying to get it.

It seems to me since the PC dont have an obligation to consult, if they decide to do so they can do so on their own terms. I dont even think they are bound by the "result" in any way.

It is clear from the forum entries on Council Tax, local crime and local government that there is a range of opinions. What I think we could all do with more of from the police is information-What can a PCSO actually do and not do?, how much say does the PC get in where and when s/he works, why isnt it specified what happens after two years- what are the follow up options- when will we know during the 2 years etc.

If this is the preferred police option I think it is a pity someone a bit higher up than Jitu hasnt taken the trouble to address us directly and inform us, get our views.

As it is I am concerned that since the return of a form requires effort, there may well be a small return leaving the PC no better off than it started but knowing they will also get a lot of flak next time there is a burglary and/or the council tax goes through the roof.
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: Bob Horrocks on June 25, 2006, 11:01:30 am
All letters  should be delivered by the end of today Sunday 25 June.  This will give everyone 3 weeks in which to respond, or not.  

If anyone has not received theirs by Monday 26 June, would they please email me via the IM symbol at the side of this posting and I will contact the deliverer to see what happened.

Apologies to John.  The RPA was a cheap jibe which I now regret.  The comparison of the detailed and expensive survey that John suggests was with the overly complex RPA system of payments to farmers.  Many farmers claim they are being ruined by the complex Rural Payment application form and resulting delays in payments.  The UK - we taxpayers - is very likely to be fined millions of pounds by the EU for not making payments by the end of June deadline.  Other countries like Ireland used a simple application form and made their payments ages ago.  

NMPC is using a simple survey on funding a PCSO.  NMPC's finances would be ruined by paying MORI to carry out John's suggested complex survey, and your payment to NMPC would increase even more than the cost of a PCSO, even if the vote was 'no'.

The cost to NMPC is forecast as £16,150 for 2007/8.  That is what everyone is being asked to respond to.  It would be roughly 10% of what you pay now to the parish council.  
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: Peter Hastings on June 25, 2006, 12:49:21 pm
Percentages are useful for comparison of course but as i see it this is going to cost my household £6pa in more council tax for each year in real terms.
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: John_fraser on June 25, 2006, 06:52:08 pm
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John's suggested complex survey, and your payment to NMPC would increase even more than the cost of a PCSO, even if the vote was 'no'.
I have suggested nothing of the sort. What I have suggested is that if you are going to take the time and expense to consult people then you should make sure that you get a reasonably accurate idea of what they want. As it stands, I think the PC is failing to do this.

I agree that the absolute figure of £6 seems trivial, but I feel that we are already paying a large increase to the police, who are failing to give us adequate cover. I also suspect that the PCSO, who is less effective than a real PC, will be used to make further cuts in the cover, thus making us even worse and it would be nice if the PC could have taken the time to get some assurances about this. Finally, if we fund this I will be willing to bet that we will be expected to fund even more PCSO in future.
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: Editor on June 25, 2006, 07:53:23 pm
Is anyone able to scan the survey and attach it to this thread or copy and paste it here in the forum for those of us who haven't seen it please?

David
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: Editor on June 26, 2006, 11:56:29 am
Bob,

I've now seen the form. A neighbour kindly let me have a look at his.

During the NMPC's discussions with the chief constable, was he able to give any assurances that going down this route won't adversly affect our existing police cover in the future?

David
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: Mr Green on June 26, 2006, 09:52:20 pm

We know why the government wants PCSOs
•   Because they mask the lack of police officers on the street. Trained officers with preemptive powers of arrest and personal protective equipment are replaced by uniformed civilians. (If you believe they are complementary you really are naive).

We know why Chief Constables want PCSOs
•   Because they have been able to increase the ethnic minority percentage of their workforce in a quick recruitment – low training – highly visible – none promotional role.

Why does BP want a PCSO?
•   What problem do we have that they would solve? Let’s not just “keep up with the Jones’” and have one because someone else has one - but ask if we need one. Given not just the size of the area they would cover, (not just BP), but also the pull of the more challenging areas of their beat, I doubt you would see him or her wandering down your street very often.

PCSOs are supposed to be the new way of dealing with anti social behavior. If you are a law abiding resident with a strong sense of community then you are probably poorly qualified to gauge their worth. For a more informed view you would probably do better to ask a local yob how terrified they are at the prospect of a PCSO wandering by. 
 
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: Editor on June 26, 2006, 10:08:16 pm
There is more on about the role of a PCSO on the National PCSO site (click here to access (http://national-pcsos.co.uk/id3.html)) and on the Home Office site (click here to access (http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/police/recruitment/community-support-officer/?version=2)).

David
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: Mermaid on June 27, 2006, 10:35:23 am

Bob

My parents, who live in The Cutting, have not received their letter yet - is anyone covering that area? If not, my mother has offered to deliver to the other houses along there.

Regards

Mermaid
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: Mermaid on June 27, 2006, 11:05:41 am

nightlondon makes some interesting points and whilst reading the post I started thinking about the cover that we used to have in the village. Our 'village bobby' in Brookmans Park always seemed to be around on his bike and had eyes and ears everywhere, but then he only had to cover Brookmans Park.

Of course there are always changes, but I think the biggest change in policing for Brookmans Park came in 1999/2000 when PC Michailovich (apologies for the probably inaccurate spelling) ceased to be dedicated to Brookmans Park, and together with PC Martin, had to cover Welham Green, Essendon, Newgate Street, Northaw and Cuffley as well (for details, see the archived Neighbourhood Watch Newsletter 3/99). There is no doubt in my mind that BP has suffered as a result, and also that more serious crimes have risen - armed robberies of the jewellers (now departed) and the Co-op spring to mind.

I have assumed from reading reports about the operation of PCSO's in other areas that the PCSO would be in addition to the current level of policing; I would therefore be very concerned if it transpired that the use of a PCSO in North Mymms was being used as a way of reducing 'proper' policing in the area. It would be nice to receive some kind of re-assurance about this .
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: Editor on June 27, 2006, 11:16:38 am

I would therefore be very concerned if it transpired that the use of a PCSO in North Mymms was being used as a way of reducing 'proper' policing in the area. It would be nice to receive some kind of re-assurance about this .


I agree Mermaid. I would like this assurance too. I can imagine a case being put in future constabulary budget meetings that costs be saved by cutting conventional police cover in areas covered by PCSOs.

I am worried by the line in the form that says...

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We would like to know if you would wish us to proceed with an agreement with the Chief Constable on these lines.



I guess that 'agreement' would be about the funding proposal in the preceeding paragraph, however it's the terms of that 'agreement' I am interested in.

David

Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: Editor on June 27, 2006, 01:13:06 pm
Bob kindly dropped off a Hertfordshire Constabulary document about PCSOs.

I found all the information is online too.

Click here to access it. (http://www.herts.police.uk/profiles/pcso.htm)
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: Bob Horrocks on June 29, 2006, 11:53:25 am
A few questions and rumours need to be answered.

The PCSO would patrol the whole of North Mymms parish, including part of Little Heath, Bullens Green, Bell Bar as well as the two main villages of Brookmans Park and Welham Green.

The cost to the Parish Council would be about £16,000 in a full year, pro rata for a part year.  This is the total cost.  No extras.

The extra cost per year would be about 10% of what you currently pay the parish council.  Have a look at your latest Council Tax bill.  Apparently it would vary between about £3 and £8 a year according your banding.

This PCSO would be additional to the existing coverage by the police.  If there had been the slightest hint of any reduction in the existing police coverage then the Parish Council would have rejected the offer.  Chorleywood Parish Council has gone ahead with a PCSO and their article in a newsletter confirms the PCSO would be additional to and not replace the normal policing.

The exact duties of this PCSO would be drawn up in a contract between the Police and Parish Council.  It could include issuing spot fines for dog fouling on Gobions Open Space!

I am unsure about the relevance of the peak times for crimes being committed.  The contract for the PCSO would define times when the PCSO would be on duty etc.
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: Editor on June 29, 2006, 11:58:43 am
Sorry Bob, one more question.

(I have a feeling there is no answer, so perhaps it's just me venting a worry, but here goes anyway.)

 :-\

If we have a PCSO covering this area could that result in Jitu being asked to focus more on areas not covered by PCSOs?

I guess you can't answer that, but could you quiz the chief con when the NMPC talk to him next please?

David
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: John_fraser on June 29, 2006, 01:18:32 pm
This PCSO would be additional to the existing coverage by the police.  If there had been the slightest hint of any reduction in the existing police coverage then the Parish Council would have rejected the offer. 
No hint that the police won't reduce the coverage is not the same as them explicitly confirming they won't reduce the coverage. It's a bit like a politician saying We have no plans to...

As we don't know what cover we have, it will be very difficult to know if it is reduced.


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I am unsure about the relevance of the peak times for crimes being committed.  The contract for the PCSO would define times when the PCSO would be on duty etc.
IIRC. the letter sent mentions the PCSO working until 11pm
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: Bob Horrocks on June 29, 2006, 05:03:13 pm
True Dave.  There is no answer to your question at the moment.  I assume this would be something to be negotiated with the police if and when a contract is drawn up.

John. All that can be said at the moment is exactly what I said.  Again these are points for clarification in the contract.  Also one PCSO cannot provide 24 hour coverage, 7 days a week.
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: Editor on June 29, 2006, 05:23:23 pm
True Dave.  There is no answer to your question at the moment.  I assume this would be something to be negotiated with the police if and when a contract is drawn up.

Thanks Bob
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: Mr Green on June 29, 2006, 09:25:19 pm
Clicking on David Brewer’s link to the Herts Police web site takes us to this curious profile of a PCSO.

"…A visible foot patrolling representative of law and order, providing public reassurance and to assist with the prevention of crime and disorder within the community. Complementing the work of Police Officers by focusing on lower level crime, disorder and anti social behaviour."


representative of law and order
        Representative?
        We don't need a representative of law and order, we need an enforcer of law and order – a police officer.

providing public reassurance
      Surely we should be the judge of whether we are reassured or not

to assist with the prevention of crime and disorder
      Purposefully vague I would suggest. A police officer actually has a duty to detect and prevent crime.

focusing on lower level crime, disorder and anti social behaviour.

      I thought they were supposed to focus on the concerns of the community.
      Presumptions already in place as to community needs and desires.
      Are these crimes really that different or just different names for the same activity?

The cynical might suggest the PCSO will be directed to focus on issues which the Constabulary is judged on by the Home Office and within the British Crime Survey. Non- recordable crimes which do not amount to a home office sanctioned detection (and thereby impact upon Herts Constabulary funding – yes were back on the dog poo in Gobions again) will not be big on their “must do” list.

Have you guessed – I voted NO.
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: Bob Horrocks on June 30, 2006, 05:54:11 pm
nightLondon makes good points.  However we are told that there will be no more ‘full’ policing than what we have now.  As far as can be assessed, it is a PCSO or stay as we are.

This week two people have given me examples of how a uniformed ‘beat bobby’ eased a situation.

As far as I can tell, it is the low-level crime etc that is of major concern to most people.  For example, Forum correspondence on dog litter shows how much people want action to reduce this problem.  Why use a fully trained police officer to deal with low-level items like that? Also, would a full officer get job satisfaction carrying out that role?

By memory, the major concern expressed at the public meeting in February at the URC was the need for a visible uniformed presence.  Not someone (most likely a civilian) watching a bank of CCTV screens or at a police call centre maybe at Norwich if the police forces merger goes ahead. Face to face contact has to be the best option.

There are claims that low-level criminals move on to higher levels of crime.  If a PCSO can reduce the low-level crime, anti-social behaviour, etc, then we will all benefit by the future reduction in higher level crimes.
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: Peter Hastings on June 30, 2006, 08:03:46 pm
I agree the local presence is what is required to reduce low level crime. It is the difficult juveniles who really upset people not the threat of international terrorism.
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: Largey on July 02, 2006, 02:17:11 am
This is not in any way a hit at the many PCSO's who do a good job but !!!!

Lets look at this a bit closer. PCSO's do not have the same powers as police officers, in fact they are told not to engage in any form of confrontation. The amount of money paid by the residents of the parish in comparison to other areas of the Herts police area must warrant a full time dedicated PC, not a PCSO. I believe that we would all benefit by putting pressure in the right places and we should be backed by members of our local community such as Counsellors and MP's in putting that pressure on. I believe that this is the only way we are going to be able to get a Police Officer back where they should be. A Police Officer who will engage and fight crime with powers is whats needed...Not a substantially well paid pair of eyes who just makes a call to the local control room when something goes wrong.
As i said this is not an attack at PCSO's in general I am mearly stating that a PCSO is NOT what the local community needs here..... In addition too a PC then yes but NOT instead of....
Phew !! :-X
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: Mr Green on July 02, 2006, 06:37:07 pm
It is the difficult juveniles who really upset people not the threat of international terrorism.

And it is a police officer with a power of arrest who will upset the juveniles, not a PCSO.
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: Peter Hastings on July 04, 2006, 05:46:24 pm
I agree with both Nightlondon and falconmedia and I too have been in touch with the police federation and Grant about the general police priorities but remember at that level they are grappling with limited resources and this suggestion of mergers.

My anxiety to see a PCSO is that that is the only local and swift option.   A PCSO wandering around chatting to the kids, seeing who is about and  moving people on is not perfect but it is better than nothing.

I would love a couple more Jitus but we aint gonna get them anytime soon. So its Jitu and a PCSO or Jitu by himself. I find it frustrating too but I am going for the best available option not the ideal option.
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: John_fraser on July 04, 2006, 06:14:59 pm
I don’t think that this is the either or problem it is frequently made out to be. The best deterrent to crime would be frequent patrols and fast responses to calls. Currently Hailey’s Comet is seen in this village more frequently then a police officer other than Jitu. Simply more sending patrol cars through the village would do wonders for the crime rate.

While a PCSO would spend more time here than the police patrols, they would have almost no powers. And you can bet all you want that the reprobates causing the problems know this and will be undeterred by them. The best the PCSO could do would be to call for police backup. Well, we should be able to do that now, only the police don’t respond in a timely fashion. Fix that and you could save us the cost of the PCSO.

Finally, I don’t see why the police’s refusal to provide more resources is simply accepted.
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: Peter Hastings on July 04, 2006, 07:38:58 pm
Agree with you entirely about response times John and I dont believe the times Jitu was asked to give us at the public meeting either. I think we should all be pestering the police authority on these issues-they are only going to change from the top. Hopefully the people on the county council are making their voices heard.
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: Peter Hastings on July 05, 2006, 12:39:18 pm
Was listening to the Lords debate about Police and Justice Bill today and heard that an extra clause is going in to insist on and provide for youth training for PCSOs because most of them deal with youths and kids every day and 89% of them every week. Also seems most communities use them mainly or even solely for interacting with youths, youth liaison and "moving on" type activities.  Assuming Lord whoever it was had his facts right that sounds exactly what I would expect from our PCSO. Not Wyatt Earp I know but all good.
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: Peter Hastings on July 05, 2006, 06:16:12 pm
Have received a reassurance from Grant Schapps today that he will raise the specific issue of response times with the Borough Commander at their next meeting.
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: Bob Horrocks on July 27, 2006, 11:04:56 am
Survey results

Earlier in 2006, Herts Constabulary offered the services of a PCSO to the parish if the council would provide 50% of the cost for two years.  The cost in a full year was originally stated as roughly £16,000 but this was later reduced to about £14,000 p.a.
In June and July 2006 the Parish Council carried out a survey of all 3,600 households in the parish to see if residents would be willing to pay up to about 10% more next year to the Parish Council to part-fund this PCSO.  About 20% replied with 319 for the proposal and 339 against.  At its meeting on 26 July 2006 the Parish Council decided not to take up this offer from the police.     
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: ADM on July 27, 2006, 01:16:14 pm
Bob,

Thanks for the update.

I just hope that people don't interpret this result as "most people can't be bothered about the level of police/pseudo police presence".  I would certainly like to see more police around but I don't believe that I should have to pay extra for some resource which is going to be, let's face it, totally unaccountable.  And I don't think I am alone.
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: Peter Hastings on July 27, 2006, 10:40:56 pm
How else do you interpret it ADM? 80% of people didnt even reply?! Still they cant moan in future if they dont have an opinion now can they!

We are now left with pressuring from the top to get more resources for our police and to get them to use those they have more efficiently. Thank goodness the merger idea has gone. Meantime dont expect much to change quickly.
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: sasquartch on July 28, 2006, 09:34:09 am
I didn't vote

However this isn't that I don't care, simply that I can see arguments both for and against a PCSO as have been discussed on this forum. Eventually I decided not to vote - but this was not due to apathy as Peter has suggested !
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: Susan on July 28, 2006, 10:38:03 am
I didn't vote either. Not through apathy, but because we only got one vote for the household.

As two adults live in my house, and we disagreed, we didn't vote :)

Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: Peter Hastings on July 28, 2006, 11:03:27 am
Ok apologies dont want to tar everyone the same but I think 20% is a poor response given the time and trouble that went into the thing and the fuss when we were having our little crime wave.

Since a postive response was needed to do anything, no response was effectively a no. So we had 10% in favour of doing something and 90% not. Some may have not responded as you explain but basically this is a large collective apathy so nothing gets done by default. It would have been so much better if people had actually voted "no" if that is what they wanted.

We also discussed this at length in our house-it was not an easy decision-but a response per household was needed since there is one tax per household.
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: LongTallSally on July 28, 2006, 05:01:30 pm
One tax that all adults in the household are liable for. Doesn't that give all adults a voice.
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: NMLHS on July 28, 2006, 09:59:20 pm
As with many questionaires inadequate information does not give one the oppportunity to make a choice.  Rather than not vote we voted 'no' subject to more information being available.

Having read this thread I think we made the right choice we want a police presence in our village.  Bearing in mind the money spent on policing why is this not available to us?  Why do we have to pay even more to get what we should have by right as council tax payers. >:(
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: Peter Hastings on July 29, 2006, 07:35:22 pm
I agree entirely about the obligations of the police NMLHS and I hope people will do as I have and hassle the police authority and MP about this. I'd love to see two or three more Jitus about the place and faster response times when things do go wrong.

I just wonder if there was any point in going to the time and trouble of trying to collect local opinion if most people werent going to respond in any way at all.
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: Bob Horrocks on July 30, 2006, 11:45:44 am
The cost of the survey was less than £200 which I think was money well spent.  The Parish Council is writing to every person who helped with the delivery, and the two shops, to let them know the result.

Even if more info had been provided, would it have made any difference to the way people did or did not vote? 

My reading of the result is that most people did not know which way to reply, which co-incided with the parish councillors similar quandary, and was why the survey was carried out.  We would all like more police presence on the street but do not see why more money should be paid on top of what is already paid to the police in our Council Tax.  A PCSO has limited powers.  A CCTV is not the same as a proper police officer either.
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: bill_per on July 30, 2006, 05:34:57 pm
hi - i came across your site from the new statesman awards (congratulations by the way - superb effort).  i live in kings cross in north london where we are getting on top of quite severe anti social behaviour problems. 

PCSOs have been invaluable in tackling some long term and deep-seated issues.  The 'lack of powers'  really isn't a problem on the ground. PCSOs, who don't respond to 999 calls etc, have more time to build relationships and solve problems.  Rather than traditional police who spend a lot of time running around applying palliative 'solutions' once problems reach crisis point.  So i would recommend a PCSO to you.

You can see the sort of thing PCSOs tackle here http://northkingscross.typepad.co.uk/my_weblog/2006/07/gifford_street_.html

One of the other advantages is that our Safer Neighbourhoods Team of PCSOs has a mobile phone number that they give to certain residents so we can get hold of them, rather than having to do the 999 thing or calling the poilice contorl room (which is next to useless).  They also have email so we can tip them off to local problems and pass on intelligence.

Hope you don't mind me butting in on your debate and keep up the good work

cheers


william
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: John_fraser on July 30, 2006, 08:59:37 pm
Just to point out the obvious, the police told the PC that there were no more resources to be had, unless we paid for them it, and then only resources of dubious effectiveness. We’ve (correctly IMHO) rejected that offer. It is now very much in the police’s interest not to provide us with any additional cover, because if they did it would send the message to other communities given such an offer that if they reject it they could get some proper police. I wouldn’t be too surprised to find the cover reduced further over the next few years and the same offer to be tabled again.

Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: Peter Hastings on July 31, 2006, 08:48:50 am
Thanks bill_per for that interesting information. I am afraid our debate has finished now and I fear we were struggling to see if someone not a "proper" copper could do enough. Your experience will be of interest if we are faced with this choice again. Do you pay towards your PCSO?

Anyway as John says we were given a fairly miserable choice by the police here and there is currently little prospect of the situation improving.
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: bill_per on July 31, 2006, 04:18:49 pm
no we don' t pay for them.  Our context is rather different - about four years Kings Cross was a war zone - police no go area, huge ASB problems, drug, sex and car crime rampant.  We got one of the first 'Safer Neighbourhood Teams' dedicated to area-based policing on a very small geographic area about a mile by a mile but with several large housing estates in it and maybe ten thousand people.  The SNT has a sergeant two offcers and about four PCSOs

again i would stress that the type of policeman is largely irrelevant - what is important is the time they have to devote to solving embedded problems by talking to people rather than running around answering 999 calls. paradoxically PCSOs have less paper work to fill in and so can get out on the street more.

the early experimental SNTs were so successful that the Mayor has now extended them to each ward in London - i think we pay for them through the mayors uplift on our council tax for policing.  happy to revert if this ever comes up again in your patch

cheers


william
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: Peter Hastings on July 31, 2006, 11:22:47 pm
Thanks for sharing that experience, it is a shame we didnt have it before we all made our decision I know many people were unsure what was best.

That's very interesting although our minor crime wave and trouble with kids is really not enough to equate us with Kings Cross and the problems you describe. i was hoping in particular a pcso presence would help with the local kids and intelligence gathering-just being around and seen.

The problem was the police were asking us to pay half the cost for two years with no view as to what would happen then. There was certainly a strong view that we pay enough tax already to get the policing we need even if it is PCSOs without having to pay more money.

Your comments reinforce my view that a PCSO would be a useful addition to our resources but I think our way forward is to try to get the police to reorganise their priorities so we get one without having to pay extra. I am hoping now the expense of a merger has been avoided some progress will be made but I fear John is right and we may wait many years. Do keep in touch on this.
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: Editor on September 29, 2006, 12:55:27 pm
I wonder if the outcome of the local survey would have been any different if the following had been announced earlier.

David

September 29, 2006
EXTENDED POWERS FOR HERTFORDSHIRE PCSOs
By Corporate Communication Dept


EXTENDED powers are being granted to the Constabulary’s Police Community Support Officers from this Sunday (October 1).

The additional powers, granted by Hertfordshire’s Chief Constable, Frank Whiteley, have been introduced to bolster PCSOs’ capabilities to tackle anti-social behaviour.

Hertfordshire currently has 159 PCSOs, who are employed by the Constabulary and funded in a number of ways, including contributions from the Home Office, Hertfordshire County Council and borough, district and parish councils as well as private companies and organisations, such as the University of Hertfordshire. The Constabulary plans to have a total of 242 PCSOs in place by the end of March next year, and 359 by the end of March 2008.

Their main duties are to carry out high visibility patrols to prevent disorder and nuisance, to respond to requests from the public to deal with anti-social behaviour and to gather information about crime and suspected offenders.

PCSOs already have a number of powers to support them in carrying out their role. These include confiscation of alcohol in a public place, enforcing local by-laws and the power to issue fixed penalty notices for dog fouling, litter, flytipping and graffiti offences. From October 1, Hertfordshire PCSOs will have the following additional powers:

• Power to enforce certain licensing offences
• Limited power to enter licensed premises
• Power to search for alcohol and tobacco
• Power to seize drugs and require names and addresses of those in possession of drugs
• Power to photograph people away from the police station

Community Safety Project Manager, Peter Spencer, commented: “PCSOs have proven a phenomenal success and are extremely popular within the communities they serve. These additional powers have been granted to enable them to tackle, in particular, alcohol-related anti-social behaviour which can be so detrimental to the quality of life of residents in areas across the county.

“They will also widen the PCSOs’ remit to search for alcohol and tobacco so that they can conduct further duties without necessarily seeking the back-up of uniformed police officers.”
 
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: Peter Hastings on September 29, 2006, 06:26:40 pm
As you see from the evidence of our friend in Kings Cross PCSOs can indeed work and giving them more powers is a good thing. However the ones I have seen locally seem always to be in their cars! They need to get out on the beat in the old fashioned way if the police themselves cannot be spared to do so.

I think more accurate information from the police might well have helped this debate-remember they also got the cost wrong!

I noticed in the Police Plan that the number of PCSOs would go up dramatically anyway, so why can we not have a couple without having to pay extra for the service? They paid nothing in Kings Cross!

I suspect the idea of paying towards a PCSO is a dead duck for a couple of years at least.
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: PC Sarah Phillips on November 26, 2009, 08:34:41 pm
Hello :)

My name is Sarah Phillips and I took over the role as the PC for the Brookmans Park area when PC Ross Freeman left for new pastures!

This is a temporary post for me but I hope to be working in and around the area for the next few months.
I have been fortunate to meet a few of you already in various circumstances such as the mobile police station, firework displays and neighbourhood watch meetings and I would like to thank those people for making me feel welcome in my new role.

PC Jo Wakelen is still getting better and I wish her a speedy recovery so that she can return to full duties as soon as possible.

PCSO Louise Luxford is helping me get to know the area and who is who so I hope to see you all soon.
I have been made aware of certain issues in the community with regard to parking and speeding problems and I will endeavour to help resolve these issues in any way I can.

Now that the festive season is upon us can I take this oppurtunity to remind you all to take extra care to secure your homes and vehicles and to keep an eye on each others properties over the holiday season, especially those of you who are going on holiday during this time.

I attach a link from the crimestoppers website with some useful tips and advice on keeping your home secure not just throughout Christmas but all year round.

http://www.crimestoppers-uk.org/crime-prevention/helping-prevent-crime/christmas

You can also check out the Hertfordshire Constabulary's Christmas crime prevention advice in the next few weeks at

http://www.herts.police.uk/crime_prevention/autumn.htm

If you do wish to report an incident that is not an emergency then please call 0845 33 00 222.
For all emergencies dial 999.

Thank you, I look forward to meeting up with more of you in the future,

Sarah.


Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: Editor on November 27, 2009, 06:51:42 am
Hi Sarah,

Welcome to the forum. Feel free to post any crime alerts here.

Regards

David
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: pcsogriffin on February 20, 2011, 02:06:41 pm
Hi
 i would like to introduce myself ,my name is Samantha Griffin and i am the Police Community Support Officer for Welham Green . I have been a pcso fo 2 and a half years working out of Hatfield and i have been working on the area for around a year and half .

Last summer i helped organise the balloon Fun Day for Welham Green ,the first one they have had in 26 years on the village green .

If you would like to contact me my details are as follows ;samanthadotgriffin@hertsdotpolicedotpnndotuk
             office 01707 806470
             
Non emergency number ;0845 33 00 222

Thanks
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: Editor on February 20, 2011, 02:10:11 pm
Hi Samantha, welcome to the forum, please feel free to use it to keep everyone informed about your work and any appeals or alerts. David
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: pcsogriffin on February 20, 2011, 02:18:29 pm
My apologies with the last email address i will repost it  with the correct details .

samanthadotgriffinathertsdotpnndotpolicedotuk

Thanks again

sam
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: Colin Goff on February 22, 2011, 12:29:08 pm
Hi Sam,
Welcome and here's looking forward to this Year's Balloon Day. Last year's was brillient. Well done.

col.
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: PCSO Luxford on September 28, 2011, 04:55:20 pm
It is with an extremely heavy heart that I have to say "Goodbye" to the residents of Brookmans Park. Due to changes being made within the Hatfield Safer Neighbourhoods team, I am being moved to another beat within Hatfield. I was looking forward to continuing my duties as your PCSO following my shoulder operation, (which has no bearing on the decisions being taken). Sadly this is not going to be the case.

I have loved being the Brookmans Park PCSO and I am genuinely upset at having to leave. You still have PC Nick Roll, and now, PCSO Ben Arnold will be taking my position.

Thank you for everything and I wish you all well.  :'(
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: Editor on September 28, 2011, 08:01:02 pm
Goodbye Louise. Thanks for everything. For being so pro-active on this forum. For taking the trouble read the concerns of locals and attempt to respond. And thanks for popping by every now and then for a cuppa. All the best in your new role.

David
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: William McCaskie on August 04, 2014, 08:31:28 am
Hello my name is William McCaskie and I am your new officer for Brookmans Park. I have been a police community support officer for nearly ten years. My previous beats have been The Hilltop area of Hatfield and Hatfield town centre. I am looking forward to working on a rural beat as its a complete change from an urban setting and presents a different set of challenges for me. I hope to meet as many members of the Brookmans park community as I can in the coarse of my patrols.
Saturday  was my first shift and I took the chance to pop into all the shops on BRADMORE GREEN and introduce myself. Yesterday I cycled out to the village which was a challenge in itself so I will be testing my fitness.
I look forward to meeting you all please flag me down if you wish to speak with me.
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: William McCaskie on August 22, 2014, 09:07:15 am
I will be holding an evening beat surgery on Monday 06th October at the United Reform Church Brookmans park, time to be announced nearer the date. This is for residents who would struggle to get to a morning one. You can come along and meet me and discuss any problems or issues you may be having in your area. I can take any reports of anti social behaviour or issues you may be having that are affecting your quality of life. If you need to speak with me before then then please email me and I can arrange a time at your convenience to see you. My email address is William.mccaskie@herts.pnn.police.uk
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: William McCaskie on September 01, 2014, 01:28:48 pm
The times for the evening beat surgery have now been confirmed as 18:30hr- 19:30hrs on Monday 06th October at the United reform church Brookmans park. Please come along on the night and I will sign you up for neighbourhood watch. I would love to meet you all and if its a success I will arrange an evening beat surgery once a month.
Thank you Bill.
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: Editor on October 12, 2014, 10:03:33 pm
Our local community police officer, PCSO, Bill McCaskie, has been named runner up in the Welwyn Hatfield Safer Neighbourhood Team officer of the year award. Bill was nominated “for his outstanding work over the years” and was described as a “prolific officer” who is “always keen to get involved and regularly drives community events forward". The Welwyn Hatfield team came runner up in the Hertfordshire Police Team of the Year category. Congratulations to Bill and the team. If invited in, Bill takes his tea white with no sugar, by the way.  ;)

(http://www.brookmans.com/fppics/pcso.jpg)
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: William McCaskie on December 20, 2014, 09:09:06 am
I would like to take this opportunity to wish all residents of Brookmans park a happy Christmas and a safe and happy new year. It has been a pleasure to serve you for the last 5 months and I look forward to working with you all next year. Please if you see me on patrol say hello it makes a world of difference to have people stop and talk to me whilst out and about in the village. Please keep safe and keep an eye out for vulnerable residents who may live next door to you or in the same street.
Thank you.
Bill.
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: Adrian on December 20, 2014, 12:49:00 pm
Well done Bill - easily the most visible and locally active PCSO we've had. Keep up the good work and don't burn out too soon.
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: sasquartch on December 20, 2014, 12:55:57 pm
Well done Bill - easily the most visible and locally active PCSO we've had. Keep up the good work and don't burn out too soon.

Agreed

Well done Bill - great to have someone so keen to be genuinely part of our community.

Reminds of the old days (1970s, 80s) when PC Hitchings was our local bobby.
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: Bedlam on December 20, 2014, 09:05:58 pm
Hi Bill,
As posted before on here, it's good to read your comments and to have you around, thanks!
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: GP on December 29, 2014, 02:50:18 pm
         On Saturday afternoon(27th) I was reading by the fire when I glanced through the window to see a police officer walking on the opposite side of the road. He appeared to be on foot patrol at a quiet time with many neighbours away on holiday. My wife and I are elderly and somewhat vulnerable residents and are most grateful to see this police presence and I commend this officer! I wonder whether it was Bill McCaskie?   GP
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: larrylamb on December 29, 2014, 06:12:56 pm
         On Saturday afternoon(27th) I was reading by the fire when I glanced through the window to see a police officer walking on the opposite side of the road. He appeared to be on foot patrol at a quiet time with many neighbours away on holiday. My wife and I are elderly and somewhat vulnerable residents and are most grateful to see this police presence and I commend this officer! I wonder whether it was Bill McCaskie?   GP
I would say it probably was Bill GP, every time I'm out and about in BP he pops up somewhere, a great presence and long may it continue.
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: Editor on December 30, 2014, 04:51:27 pm
My wife and I are elderly and somewhat vulnerable residents and are most grateful to see this police presence and I commend this officer! I wonder whether it was Bill McCaskie?   GP

I am guessing it was Bill, he seems to be everywhere these days. Oh, and he likes a cuppa if invited in.  ;)  I have merged Bill's 'Happy Christmas' thread with the one introducing him to the local community. No posts have been lost.
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: BrookyP on January 01, 2015, 03:24:47 pm
I agree. a very visual presence in the village.


We live at the other end of BP near A1000 and hes down here a lot on his bike and patrol.


We never had this in the past unless there had been a burglary or something before so its very welcome



cheers for all the hard work Bill
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: BrookyP on February 20, 2015, 11:32:56 am
I saw Bill out on his bike in the rain a few days back. Weather was horrible.


Its an amazing service he provides and he has too be the most visual and active PCSO we have ever had.


He also comes down the A1000 end of BP and cycles about in the cul de sacs



Cheers Bill-Its appreciated.


Guess he should get BP PCSO of the decade at least :)


BP
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: sasquartch on February 20, 2015, 11:56:03 am
Agreed.

Keep up the good work Bill :-)
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: William McCaskie on August 13, 2015, 10:37:38 am
I would like to take this opportunity to inform you all that I will be leaving your village as of the 01st September. I have been offered the chance to move to Welwyn Garden City to start a new beat in the town. As I live in Welwyn garden this is an opportunity I cant turn down. I can cycle to work every day and I know the town well as I have lived there all my life.
It will be sad to leave your village but a rural beat has proved to quite for me which is obviously great for yourselves. I feel I have achieved all I can working in Brookmans park having more then doubled neighbourhood watch since being there. I have meet some wonderful people and I admire the strong community spirit that I have found in your village. I would suggest that any family's moving into the village get involved with the community as much as they can to keep Brookmans a safe and pleasant place to live and bring up children in. I would like to thank you all for your support you have shown me in the year I have been working with you all and its been a pleasure to serve. 
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: Adrian on August 13, 2015, 01:36:18 pm
Thank's for your hard work and be careful in the future, policing on your own doorstep is always risky.
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: Editor on August 13, 2015, 03:02:00 pm
Hi Bill,

Sorry to hear you are moving on, but glad for you; it sounds like it makes sense on a personal level. But I'll miss your updates and will miss you popping in for a cuppa as you do your rounds. I remember taking that picture of you for the forum a year ago when you had such ambitious plans to sign locals up to Neighbourhood Watch; you've certainly achieved what you set out to achieve.

(http://www.brookmans.com/fppics/pcso.jpg)

Good luck in the future. Our loss is WGC's gain.

(I've merged your farewell post with the thread in which you announced your arrival a year ago. Nice to have both in the one place for reference.)

David
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: sasquartch on August 13, 2015, 03:18:00 pm
Hopefully Bill will be able to pass on his considerable local knowledge to his successor so they can build on his legacy. Hopefully they will use the forum to pass on news as Bill has done so effectively during his time in the village.

Good luck in the new role and thank you for all you have done for the village.
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: BrookyP on August 13, 2015, 04:18:09 pm
good luck in WGC and thanks for all the work you did here. hoping the replacement is as good.


BP
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: Miles on August 13, 2015, 10:07:41 pm
Good luck Bill. Sad to see you go as it was lovely to see you around the village. Don't forget to pop in for the cake and cup of tea before you go.
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: marty.c on August 14, 2015, 07:47:42 am
Brookmans Park Rotary Club will be sorry to see you go, thanks for your support and good luck in the future.
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: Editor on August 14, 2015, 05:56:02 pm
The latest email from the Safer Neighbourhoods Team says our new PCSO will be Lynn Fedarb. Lynn, if you are reading this please consider setting up an account on the forum (Bill can help you), and you can post updates in the neighbourhood watch and crime section (http://www.brookmans.com/forum/index.php/board,20.0.html).
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: Bedlam on August 16, 2015, 08:47:29 pm
Wishing you all the best in WGC, hopefully Brooky will get a decent replacement.
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: Bedlam on August 16, 2015, 09:07:17 pm
Hi Lynn,
Welcome to Brookmans Park, Bill will be a big act to follow/match up to, give it your best shot!!!!
Thanks
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: larrylamb on September 18, 2015, 03:26:15 pm
Havent seen our new officer about - has she started yet?
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: Lynnfedarb on September 30, 2015, 10:10:57 am
May I take this opportunity to welcome myself to the village and surrounding areas. I started my new posting in Brookmans park three weeks ago, but have just come back from a weeks annual leave.
I have been out and about patrolling the area and have met many of the local shop keepers and residents of the community, all be it not everyone yet.
Just a little about myself, I have worked for the constabulary for 13 years. My first 4 years in HQ, control room and the last 9 as a PCSO in Hatfield Town Centre so i'd like to think I have a few years experience behind me.
Please feel free to stop me and say hello when you see me out and about, and now I have access to the forum, I will keep you up to date with any relevant information.
Likewise if you need to contact me, please send me an email - Lynn.fedarb2@herts.pnn.police.uk and I will more than happy to help.
Look forward to meeting you.
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: larrylamb on September 30, 2015, 11:13:41 am
Hello Lynn,

Welcome to BP.

 :)
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: Editor on September 30, 2015, 05:47:32 pm
Welcome to the forum. Is it Lyn or Lynn? When the news went out that you were taking over from Bill your name was spelt Lyn, but I see you are using Lynn in the forum. Which do you prefer? I've also added your picture to your forum profile so people can recognise you when you post. David
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: Lynnfedarb on October 01, 2015, 11:57:26 am
Morning.

Adding my picture is fine  :) , I d prefer Lynn if its not too much bother to change.

Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: Editor on October 01, 2015, 01:04:03 pm
Morning.

Adding my picture is fine  :) , I d prefer Lynn if its not too much bother to change.



Thanks Lynn, have changed throughout. David
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: Bedlam on October 02, 2015, 07:42:40 pm
Hi Lynn,


Looking forward to seeing you on patrol and hopefully keeping the neighbourhood crime free.


All the best


B
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: William McCaskie on December 08, 2015, 02:17:10 pm
I know I am no longer your community officer but I spent most of the year with you so I wanted to take this opportunity to wish you all a happy and peaceful Christmas and a prosperous new year. I have been fortunate to see some of you in The Howard centre in Welwyn garden City and at The Campus west whilst out on patrol, and its been great to catch up with you. I still follow what's going on in your village through this site and probably always will as I had such a good time working in the village. I have settled well in my new area which covers Sherrards wood and knightsfield area of Welwyn Garden. My new beat also has a good neighbourhood watch which I am adding to as and when I can.
I hope Lynn is looking after you all and that you are all looking after each other. Be safe.
Bill.   
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: Editor on December 08, 2015, 03:26:16 pm
Hi Bill, Great to bump into you in WGC the other day. Hope you and your family have a cool yule and fun festive.  ;)  David
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: larrylamb on December 08, 2015, 07:15:34 pm
All the best Bill, merry christmas and a happy new year - we miss your presence!.
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: Pixel Crazy on May 01, 2016, 05:48:57 pm
Just out of interest anybody seen the PCSO recently.  Must admit since Bill left there does seem to be a noted lack of the CPSO presence.  Must admit I am about the village most days and have not seen her.  Just wondering.
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: Alex on May 01, 2016, 10:57:48 pm
All we seem to have around the village are what I call " Milk Maids" i.e. traffic wardens ! Give them a uniform and power comes to mind!
Was in Potters Bar yesterday , and they were going round in pairs ?
More like a police state unfortunately.
Alex 
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: milkmade on May 02, 2016, 01:06:37 pm
i overlook the village green.  Nope, no sightings. ???
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: BrookyP on May 02, 2016, 03:21:40 pm
Funny I was thinking that today when out walking. Used to see Bill all the time in the village. Not seen the new PCSO out and about at all. BP
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: Editor on May 03, 2016, 06:32:31 am
I will drop Lynn a line. She did say that she would post updates in the forum. I'll check. David
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: marty.c on May 03, 2016, 07:25:15 am
Lynne and her colleague Sam attended the Rotary May Day event on Saturday.
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: Editor on May 03, 2016, 10:05:50 am
Lynne and her colleague Sam attended the Rotary May Day event on Saturday.

Good to know, thanks Marty. I've dropped Lynn a line to encourage her and her team to post local updates on the website. David
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: Pixel Crazy on May 03, 2016, 06:05:43 pm
Yes I noted that and was told that she is always in the village. Thus prompting this post.
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: Pixel Crazy on May 15, 2016, 07:10:26 pm
Sorry to say no response from the PCSO!!! :-[
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: sasquartch on May 18, 2016, 03:06:36 pm
Whilst voting the other week I thought the election of a Police Commissioner was pretty pointless

Now I'm thinking that perhaps this is the sort of thing we should be making him aware of

Even if there is a good reason why we no longer have a dedicated PCSO it would be nice to know this one way or another.

I guess we were spoilt - I think Bill was always going to be a very hard act to follow
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: Editor on May 19, 2016, 10:21:34 am
Hi all,

I've been in touch with Hertfordshire Constabulary about the concerns expressed in the forum regarding our PSCO and have had two responses. The first from Lynn in which she has explained why people may not have seen her out and about as much as expected. The edited text of her email below.

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Thank you for your email.
 
Yes I am indeed still the local PCSO for the Brookmans Park area. I will admit that I am not always out and about walking the Bradmore Green “Triangle” if you like but I am in the village. Whether I’ve been walking the streets of the village, either just on patrols and saying hello to local dog walkers or doing other enquiries, I am there as much as I can be. Over the cold dark winter months, when residents are indoors with the curtains drawn and the lights on, I doubt very much they look outside and see me.
 
I’m not sure if residents understand that it’s not just Bradmore Green that I patrol, there is far more to my beat than just Brookmans Park Village. I also cover various other areas, including: Bell Bar, Wildhill, Little Heath and Newgate Street Village. Also, Cuffley and Welham Green too when their local officer is on rest days. There are also several farms, businesses  and very rural residents within the area to. I have to divide my time up so that the area as a whole gets covered by me. I understand  this means I am not always just in the village but I have to deal with the jobs/enqs/other visits that come in on a daily basis.
 
I will take the comments on board. I am always available and more than happy to speak to, or to pop along and visit residents if they so wish to discuss any matters with me. I hope this clarifies some of the issues raised but if not please feel free to let me or my sergeant know.

This has also been followed up with an email from Lynn's Sergeant, Matthew O'Neill, who has shed some light on why Lynn is not posting in the forum in response to comments made. The text of Matthew's email below.

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I have had a conversation with Lynn regarding the Brookmans Park forum and whether comments should be added by the police on the forum or not.
 
We have come to the conclusion that it may not be best practice for anyone to comment from the police on the forum or reply to any comments that have been posted.
 
The constabulary as a whole have a corporate communications department that review and submit any piece of information that is submitted for view in any public domain, be that newspaper, radio report or online comments.
 
We do have our own method of communicating messages to as many people as possible through OWL linked with neighbourhood watch. Lynn is a regular user of this and disseminates any information to residents of her ward using this system. This ensures that the message reaches people by many methods using email, phone call and text message so we try and reach those who may not have internet access or a computer.
 
I have seen your email this morning regarding putting a comment on the forum and this appears to be fine by myself.
 
If there is anything else that either Lynn or I can assist with please feel free to contact us.

So it seems that the main online communication from the police will be the messages shared by the OWL system which are sent to this site and several forum members, including the moderators. We will continue to try to copy these over when relevant and time permitting.

David

Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: Pixel Crazy on May 20, 2016, 06:32:00 pm
Sorry to push this as we obviously wont get any more from the Police. The question actually is what has changed since Bill left, was he only for Brookmans Park(which as we know does contain more than the Green). If he was why has this changed(think cost cutting) or if he had other beats he managed to get round them really well.


Has something fundamental in the service provided by the PCSO changed since Bill left.


We don't need a corporate answer, I think that the beat has changed and we as ratepayers were not told.



Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: Editor on May 20, 2016, 07:07:04 pm
Sorry to push this as we obviously wont get any more from the Police. The question actually is what has changed since Bill left, was he only for Brookmans Park(which as we know does contain more than the Green). If he was why has this changed(think cost cutting) or if he had other beats he managed to get round them really well.

Has something fundamental in the service provided by the PCSO changed since Bill left. We don't need a corporate answer, I think that the beat has changed and we as ratepayers were not told.

I think the only response we are likely to get to your questions will be from corporate PR. I know you don't want that, but I will forward the thread to see if they can answer your question.

I, too, feel sad that the local PCSO won't be responding directly. I think the way Bill McCaskie (88 posts), Louise Luxford (97 posts) and Jitu Davé (41 posts) were proactive in starting threads - and reactive in responded to queries - was healthy. I used to find their off the cuff updates refreshing. 

I wonder whether the local PCSO beat surgeries (http://www.brookmans.com/forum/index.php/topic,4695.0.html) that Louise and later Bill used to organise at the URC will continue?

Interestingly, the issue of a PCSO for the area was raised in this forum 10 years ago (http://www.brookmans.com/forum/index.php/topic,1044.msg9289.html#msg9289). The North Mymms Parish Council asked local residents whether they would be happy to part funding a PCSO from the council tax. The offer from police HQ was:

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... a PCSO dedicated to patrol this parish i.e. Brookmans Park, Welham Green, Bell Bar, and parts of Little Heath and Bullens Green. It is subject to the parish council paying about £1,300 a month for a two-year period, which is 50% of the total cost.

Perhaps someone from NMPC could shed some light on this?
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: Pixel Crazy on May 20, 2016, 07:26:33 pm
Hi David


Thanks for that, it was just great to see Bill around he had a "word" with many people which I am sure helped the village stay safe.
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: James Bentall on May 20, 2016, 10:38:20 pm

Perhaps someone from NMPC could shed some light on this?

I wasn't on the council at the time, so unsure what was decided, but exactly what information were you after?

James
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: Editor on May 21, 2016, 08:15:06 am
Thanks James, I was just wondering about the history of the appointment of a PCSO for the area and whether the NMPC was/is involved. I have since had a quick look at the NMPC online records for the time and it appears that the council turned down the invitation to part fund a PCSO after surveying local residents.

This from the March 2006 Chairman’s Report (http://www.users.waitrose.com/~northmymmspc/Minutes%20-APM%202006.htm#top).
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(http://www.brookmans.com/news/may16/Screen%20Shot%202016-05-21%20at%2008.15.50.png)
Then this from the July 2006 Parish Council Meeting (http://www.users.waitrose.com/~northmymmspc/Minutes%20-NMPC%20060726.htm#top).
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(http://www.brookmans.com/news/may16/Screen%20Shot%202016-05-21%20at%2008.16.28.png)
And then this from the January 2007 Parish Council Meeting (http://www.users.waitrose.com/~northmymmspc/Minutes%20-NMPC%20070103.htm#top). I couldn’t find a record of the correspondence referred to.
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(http://www.brookmans.com/news/may16/Screen%20Shot%202016-05-21%20at%2008.16.50.png)
So I guess the NMPC has nothing to do with the PCSO situation.
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: BrookyP on May 21, 2016, 09:26:13 am
It's a shame that our pcso presence is no longer as prevalent as when bill was here.  I think policing on foot is far more useful than driving about in a car.  I guess it's not done as much as before, because of cuts.  It's was also nice to hear PCSO input via public forums.  Bills posts were always very useful.  I guess we will have to rely on posts from owl which usually contain very little information other than scant details. These are usually of little use in helping the public to help the police. Things must have changed a lot since bill left. A shame. Time to up sticks to his new beat... Onwards!!
 
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: Editor on September 12, 2016, 04:01:32 pm
Police Community Support Officer (PCSO) Samantha Griffin, a familiar face around Welham Green, has now added Brookmans Park to her beat.

Sam, who this week celebrates eight years as a PCSO, is already well known in the area through attending various community events and working on a number of local neighbourhood watch and community policing initiatives. Now she will be responsible for patrolling Welham Green, Brookmans Park, Little Heath, Newgate Street, and Wildhill, by car, bike, and on foot.

(http://www.brookmans.com/neighbourhood/PCSO_Samantha_Griffin.jpg)

PCSO Samantha Griffin

One of the initiatives Sam says she would like to reintroduce is the local PCSO surgery that used to be held at Brookmans Park URC. Dates and times have yet to be decided.

Sam, a mother of four, is a 4th Degree Black Belt in Taekwondo (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taekwondo) and runs training sessions in the martial art. She hasn't always been involved in policing; previously Sam spent 15 years working as a manager in the building supplies industry before deciding to become a PCSO, a job she says she loves.

Sam has a forum profile on this site (http://www.brookmans.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=2013) (visible to logged in registered members only), and she will be watching discussions about local crime and community policing in particular. If you want to contact Sam you can do so via email at Samantha.Griffin@herts.pnn.police.uk or by phone on 01707-354192.

Please note: I have merged all previous threads related to PCSOs in the area so that anyone interested can trace the history of the role.
Title: Re: Our local PCSO - Police Community Support Officer
Post by: larrylamb on September 12, 2016, 05:09:01 pm
Good luck - and wish you well. lets hope for some effective policing.