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Title: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: longman on February 17, 2002, 10:03:41 pm
Suppose it was inevitable.  The first nice weekend, sun shining, almost warm towards the middle of the afternoon and a good time to open a few windows and let some fresh air in.  No wrong!  A good time to open the windows and let the smell of burning rubbish in.  What a pity, what a really really pitiful pity.
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: jet on February 17, 2002, 11:37:42 pm
Yes you beat me to it!
My walk was spoilt by the smoke in Bluebridge and Peplins.
Why thes idiots choose calm weather, with forecast mist for their antics is beyond logic.
Yet I bet that none of the 100 odd householders affected had the courage to have a word with the parties concerned.
Perhaps they dont mind?
jet
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: John_fraser on February 18, 2002, 03:13:03 pm
Personally I don’t have a big issue with fires at this time of year. It’s the hot summer evenings,  when people have windows open and would like to enjoy a pleasant long evening in their gardens, that I find objectionable. Also you would expect the evening to be reasonably calm. Lighting a fire on a windy day would be a little foolish.
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: jet on February 18, 2002, 08:36:37 pm
au contraire John,
A good breeze gets a good fire going, it dissapates the smell and its all over a bit faster.
Calm conditions are usually damp and encourage smouldering.
It is so much easier to take it all to the dump, one only has to clean up a worse mess after a bonfire anyway.
I work from home a lot and today there has been a constant stink in my house ( from a fire not me), I have a sore throat and I wish I could find where it was coming from.
From know all jet
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: jet on March 28, 2002, 01:54:24 pm
Old misery guts again,
It Stunk in B.P. yesterday, a few smokey fires and a light easterly.
The wife and myself had bad eyes last night, anyone else or is it just us?
God help us this weekend!!!
I am going to lobby the council about this health issue, will anyone else do the same?
regards,
jet
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: observer on March 31, 2002, 10:35:50 pm
For once I agree with Jet.  This Easter weekend and being a Sunday, the stench from bonfires is absolutely disgusting.    We had to shut our windows.  Also do new families that have moved into the area know about the service whereby they can hire a skip to dispose of rubbish!!............just a thought!

On another note, has anybody else been appalled at the amount of rubbish strewn along Swanland Road?  Is the council doing anything about this or are they only interested in wasting our money in building cycle paths complete with unneccessary unending extra road signs?
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: James Bentall on April 01, 2002, 11:12:25 am
Some of us find the new cycle paths very useful :)

But I agree with you about the rubbish!

James
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: observer on April 01, 2002, 03:32:35 pm
If money has been spent on cycle paths at the expense of litter collection then perhaps cyclists might care to carry a few bin liners and tidy up the rubbish on their way!
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: observer on April 02, 2002, 01:05:05 am
In response to Longman...which of your four points do you refer to in your last comment headed "A couple of points here for Observer"?

In reply..

1:      doesn't matter
2:      who cares...its all our money
3:      only if they drive along cycle paths.(Do you have a secret longing to drive a four wheel drive/Range Rover....I might be able to let you have a drive in mine)
4:       as regards silly links etc...dont don't tell me what I can or can't do...if you don't like it then get on your bike.......like it???
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: James Bentall on April 02, 2002, 01:58:49 am
... but if you're a four wheel drive user, wouldn't you prefer all the cyclists to be off the road on cycle paths rather than forcing you to slow down to safely over take them when they're using the same bit of road as you?

;)

Slightly more relevantly, why is it the council's responsibility to pick up the litter? Surely it should be our responsibility to not drop it in the first place....

James
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: sasquartch on April 02, 2002, 02:04:35 pm
Let's get this thread back on track !

Just out of interest has 'Observer' even hired a skip before ?

Generally you don't get any change out of £100 for a reasonably sized one, and you have all the hassle of having either your drive blocked or obstructing the road for days on end. I'm sure this would annoy people just as much !

If all the rubbish you want to dispose of is in your garden and you can have a bonfire there, it's not hard to see why people are going to have a fire which costs them nothing.

Personally I've disposed of the equivalent of many skips worth of rubbish in bonfires over the years. I always make sure the wind is blowing away from the houses. I only burn easily burnable materials like wood, that way a hot fire results with little smoke. The problem bonfires normally seem to be caused by damp materials like leaves, lawn cuttings and so on. As has been suggested before, composting is a far better solution.

I think its a perfectly reasonable to have bonfires as long as a bit of common sense is used. I don't mind the occasional smell of smoke any more than I mind my neighbours having a noisy party occasionally. However if it was a regular event then I certainly would object.

So lets live and let live, let's concentrate on important matters like road safety and the like. I sometimes think that if the most important issues in people's lives are this trivial then we really are very lucky, let's be grateful we live in a nice place like BP and not somewhere like Palestine or Afghanistan.
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: jet on April 02, 2002, 06:02:43 pm
I was one of the worst culprits untill a neighbour pointed out what a nuisance my bonfires were, even though I only had them at night and with a side wind.
I now find it easier to trim into heavy duty bags and take them up the dump, its cleaner and quicker. About 4 car loads equalls a skip. Say £1 petrol per trip.
On the subject of the cycle path, my observation ( when taking rubish to the dump) reveals that cyclists tend to stay on the main road which allows them to build up speed and means they do not have to dismount or give way where the path crosses side roads etc. It seems a waste of money which could have been better spent on road repairs which would benifit all. A good idea in theory gone wrong.
As an ex cyclist (its too dangerous) I can only say have consideration for others. On wheel, foot or hoof!
It is 3 pm and washing has been in and out 3 times due to stink of fires. I have a headache from it. The health hazard of working from home and reducing my travelling!
regards,
jet
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: sasquartch on April 02, 2002, 06:40:17 pm
Not sure what sort of car you drive, jet, but I'd not get a skip load into 4 car loads !

Out of interest, where in BP do you live ? I'm in the Peplins area and quite a few people do have bonfires (myself occasionally) although have never been bothered by them.

Your point about the cycle paths not being used is a good one, as a one time keen cyclist I used to avoid them too. The reason - nothing to do with having to dismount at intersections, but the amount of debris on the cyclepath that can cause punctures. Many times I got a puncture when using the cyclepath along the A414 between London Colney and Park Street roundabouts when I used to cycle to Hemel Hempstead. I believe the same problem is true on the old A1, the path is immaculate when built but then ignored, with thorns and brambles soon building up. Does anyone know whether these cyclepaths are swept regularly ?
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: jet on April 02, 2002, 08:25:44 pm
Dear S.
I live in Calder Avenue.Now everyone can come and have a go at me. I am in a very defensive mood at the moment. I mean to say someone left a mars bar wrapper behind my hedge, "unbelievable" as Mr Meldrew would say!
A Carlton saloon car. 6 bags in boot, 4 across back seat and one on passenger seat. Mind you it is all cut up and compacted into the bags. From what I see people seem to fill skips with loads of air.
Don't forget skips like cars vary in size.
regards,
old (well middle aged ) misery guts, jet
P.S. I suppose someones going to tell me my cars overloaded?
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: John_fraser on April 02, 2002, 11:51:38 pm
“quite a few people do have bonfires (myself occasionally) although have never been bothered by them.”

Sounds like a smoker who can’t see why people in the restaurant don’t like smoking, because “it never bothers me”

Your comments about Palestine and Afghanistan are as pathetic as they are offensive. This isn’t a Sunday school form debating forum. We know we live in a nice place and could be better a lot worse off. To use the genuine misery of others to hide anti social behaviour behind is very poor.

Air quality is a real problem. My eldest son has asthma, and while we have it under control now, we have had to rush him to hospital in the past. In the winter most people have their windows shut at night, so bonefires are not an issue. But in the summer we have to choose to put him in a stuffy or smoke filled room. Both of which affect his asthma.

If most people can get away without fires between April and October, why can’t you?
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: jet on April 03, 2002, 12:54:38 am
Bonfires are great fun when you are having one, as of course one stands upwind!
For all the people downwind it is not so much fun.
Consideration is allways the answer.
Just think what it would be like if we all had bonfires, screamed in the garden or played loud music etc. etc.
The few spoil the fun of the many.
Please don't anyone take personal offence. Its just an observation. After the Nightrider episode I don't think I could take any more flak.
Heres a thought, noisy neighbours downwind, easy light a fire and make them go in?
regards,
jet :)
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: sasquartch on April 03, 2002, 12:55:42 pm
John

Suggest you sit down, count to ten and try and calm down. You're obviously very stressed, even angered by my comments.

I'm sorry your son has asthma, obviously smoke, whether from bonfires, vehicles or wherever isn't going to help his condition. However if you'd read my message I make the point that consideration is the key.

Of course I'm not going to start a bonfire if the smoke is going to blow in the direction of other houses. That would be clearly anti-social.

As far as your comments about my comparison with other parts of the world and 'sunday school debating' well, as I said before, calm down ! The great thing about brookmans.com is that we can all have our say and express our opinions in an adult, grown-up way, obviously we won't always agree but then there wouldn't be a debate would there ? You may think the comments pathetic, but offensive ? If you're that easily offended then maybe you shouldn't be debating in this forum.

Totally agree with jet, his last post sums it up, in short, common sense.

BTW, no I don't smoke, but don't object to others doing it as long as there's consideration for others.

Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: John_fraser on April 03, 2002, 03:47:03 pm

The tragedies of Afghanistan and Palestine are massive. Decades of war, thousands killed, ten of thousands maimed, an anger fuelled by poverty and fear that becomes so great people are willing to kill themselves in order to bring terror to whole populations, wars alternatively ignored and fuelled by the West, with absolutely no end in sight. And you chose to use it to defend “your” right to light a bonfire. Although I realise you gave no thought this, offensive is still an understatement.

Yes we all have a right to our say. I’m not denying you yours, nor would I if I could. And you at least are defending your view openly. The last person to do this did so anonymously.

Consideration is not doing it. Stand on Hawkshead Lane on the next fin summer’s evening and you will see the cloud of smoke hanging over the village. There is no need to light a bonefire on a summer’s evening, so don’t do it.



Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: sasquartch on April 03, 2002, 05:14:40 pm
John, we do actually agree ! Afghanistan and Palestine are enormous tragedies, caused at least in part by rich western countries such as ours. I was not trying to justify bonfires with these events, merely make the point that we live in a stable civilised society with trivial problems in comparison.
I'm sorry if you're offended although no offence was meant. Please don't try and draw the inference that I equate bonfires to the events in the middle east !

I will try and take a look at BP from Hawkshead Lane on a fine evening, all I can say is its not a good idea to have a fire on a still day.  

Rather than risk a jet vs nightrider argument this is the last I'll say on the subject, maybe you'll prefer to have the last word on this one  ;)
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: jet on April 03, 2002, 08:22:49 pm
Unbelievable its 5-15 and I have not smelt one bonfire today. (Not meaning to add fuel to the fire)
But what a day for mowers, chainsaws, mating magpies and the just past 4-00 screaming kids, all cured in part by the trusty old earplugs.
Yes we live in a great place its just a shame it couldn't be better.
In Krautland I believe there are laws anti mowing, fires, washing cars etc on a Sunday. What do they all find to do?
Regarding Middle East and North Africa I have felt safe there even as a tourist, is it the stricter laws, you don't mess with the police out there? wheras over here the police seem to have absolutley no respect from the public.
Read the Sun today (yes there are words in it not just pictures), a policeman beaten in front of 150 people at a station and not even help from security guards. Now that  gets things in perspective.
regards,
jet
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: Bob on April 04, 2002, 02:00:57 am
You may not have had a bonfire in BP but someone in Cuffley had one for you >:(
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: jet on April 04, 2002, 02:01:10 pm
someone had one here at about 9pm it steadily penetrated the house for the next few hours, was it all the way from Cuffley? :(
regards
jet
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: MC on April 04, 2002, 02:12:29 pm
Sasquartch,

I'm going to be agreeing with John on this one.

"Out of interest, where in BP do you live ? I'm in the Peplins area and quite a few people do have bonfires (myself occasionally) although have never been bothered by them"

This is completely incorrect. There have been a large number of posts on this subject in the past because there has been a total lack of any consideration whatsoever on the part of bonfire "pyromaniacs" (so-called).

I live in the Peplins area too. I have no problem with people having say one or two bonfires a year preferably between Oct and April but in any case in the evening on a cloudy day.

What we actually have are people who light a bonfire every couple of weeks, often using wet material and very frequently on sunny summer evenings. God knows we have few enough of them but now we have people making them unuseable. Somebody even lit a bonfire in the middle of a glorious summers day.

It's unacceptable behaviour. If people can't be bothered to take stuff to the tip then at least gather it together for a while so it dries out and so that fewer bonfires are needed. And then only light up on evenings when others probably won't be outside.
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: sasquartch on April 04, 2002, 03:25:25 pm
MC,

You quote "This is completely incorrect". Not sure how you can say that I haven't been bothered by them, surely only I would know that !  ;)

However the point you trying to make is perfectly valid, there are people having fires but not considering others. Whilst it doesn't offend me I can appreciate it may offend others.

I'm always careful to make sure the wind is blowing away from the houses when I have my (infrequent) fires and certainly don't burn damp leaves etc that produce loads of smoke. A good hot fire produces little smoke and is soon over.

You say that occasional fires are OK providing consideration is given to others - I think we actually agree on this !

Out of interest I walked from Welham Green to BP along Station Road last night at around midnight and the smell of bonfires was evident from about the church onwards. And, no, it wasn't me ! Difficult to tell where the smell originated from as the air was still, however the general area of Peplins seems likely.

Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: Bob on April 05, 2002, 03:59:52 am
I had occasion to be in Brookmans Park at about 5pm on Thursday driving along Station Road by the scout hut and I think there were 2 bonfires on the other side of the railway line - back gardens in Peplins Way? The smoke had drifted over the line to Station Road so as I had my roof down I was certainly aware of it, quite apart from the fact that is illegal to let bonfire smoke drift over a road I'm not sure what effect it would have had on a train drivers visibility. At least Cuffley was clear when I got home. ;)
MC made a point that it is better to have a bonfire in the evening when people will have gone indoors, the problem with that theory is that in the summer you leave the windows open so that the air in the house stays nice and fresh. Fat chance of that if anybody within about 1/2 mile radius has a bonfire :'(
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: The Orange Llama on April 05, 2002, 11:09:29 am
Get the impression some people can't win!

First of all people moan if there are bonfires in the middle of the day. Then people moan if there's no wind. Then people moan if the wind blows the smoke into other houses.

So these people in Peplins waited until the evening, made sure there was wind, made sure the wind was from the East so the smoke drifted away from any other houses... and still we moan!!

Bob - if these people (no, it's not me) wanted to have a bonfire, under which conditions would you recommend then?

The Orange Llama
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: jet on April 05, 2002, 12:30:57 pm
At the risk of sticking my nose in the best condition would be when it blows the smoke into their own homes :)
This never is the case :(
regards,
jet
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: Editor on April 05, 2002, 02:03:28 pm
Just a thought but I have a small electric shredder which can reduce a large amount of sticks and branches into really nice mulch to put on the compost or dig in. It is a  bit noisey, about as loud as a lawn mower.  It is fairly fast and the by-product is useful. I am sure Bryan in the village hardware and bike shop can get hold of them if anyone is interested. I think they cost about the same as hiring a skip.
David Brewer
Forum Administrator
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: John_fraser on April 05, 2002, 03:57:18 pm
Brian does hire out a large orange one of these. You can see it outside his shop most days of the week.

& Mr Llama - you can win. Don't light a fire Between start of April and October. That way everyone's happy.
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: jet on April 05, 2002, 07:15:19 pm
I have one third acre, mostly "tidy" wild and wooded. If I can manage to keep it down to one car load a month to the dump, then surely everyone else can? ???
It only works out at 3hrs a week including mowing.
I wonder what all those garden companies are actually doing in peoples gardens, walking back and forth?
A shredder is an excellent idea, but secatures quickly reduce it to bags of twigs etc. ;)
Consider  Leaving a pile of logs etc for the toads and newts to live in, whats a few square feet of garden lost :) They were here first.
The gardens around here are mostly too formal and with too much concrete, still each to their own :)
Have a nice time in the garden y'all,
regards,
jet
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: Bob on April 06, 2002, 02:40:21 am
the best time to have a bonfire is never, but failing that it should be a time when nobody is going to be out in their gardens (unless they are doing the same as you) and the weather is not suitable for drying washing or having windows open. I've got a shredder so I have the choice if using that or cutting and bagging and taking it to the dump which inconveniences me and not my neighbours ;D
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: Editor on April 11, 2002, 10:21:32 am
A user of this site has asked for the text from Welwyn Hatfield District Council's leaflet Bonfires - Be A Good Neighbour to be added to the site. click here (http://www.brookmans.com/news/april02/bonfires.shtml)  The leaflet is available from council offices and will be posted to you free of charge but unfortunately it is not online at the WHC site. The National Society for Clean Air and Environment Protection also has information about domestic bonfires at its site. click here (http://www.nsca.org.uk/leaf5.htm)
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: jet on April 12, 2002, 08:21:36 pm
It has been a good week for lack of bonfires, I can only assume that there was nothing left to burn after the "Scorched Earth" campaign at Easter :)
regards,
jet
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: jet on April 12, 2002, 08:26:42 pm
To anyone thinking of a good prune this weekend, please bear in mind that it is nesting time and most birds have laid eggs :)
Notice how quiet they are ;)
Numbers are at an all time low so lets be carefull.
Also think twice about slug pellets, birds and hedgehogs eat snails and slugs and pellets kill them :'(
Dare I say it a little ash around tender plants will deter them without resorting to poison :) .
yours in a green mood :)
jet
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: observer on April 14, 2002, 10:37:59 pm
Re Bonfires...It takes a while to get my interest so now you have it!
In my opinion there is no excuse for a bonfire under any circumstances....its a cheap and lazy way of dealing with a rubbish problem!....If one has garden debris to dispose of then the obvious answer is to get a contractor in to do the job or if one can't afford that then I suppose one can hire one of those container things.
I saw acrid smoke drifting over the top end of Mymms /Moffats and I thought how sad such cheap people have moved into that area....you would have thought they would have a few shillings left over to dispose of rubbish!
One of my friends....you know what I mean...this is Brookmans Park is absolutely furious because their VOLVO was covered in bonfire debris....serve them right!!! but seriously some of us have nice cars and were not happy either!!!
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: Mary_Morgan on April 14, 2002, 11:59:45 pm
Jet.  where do you get the ash to put round the plants - presumably from your bonfire.    ;D  Smileys don't seem to be working for me.

As for Observer - how frightfully pompous - is he suggesting we shouldn't live in BP if we can't afford it.   Perhaps I am glad that I don't live there any more because BP was a nice place when I lived there, full of nice people, not all of us could afford a garden contractor, a skip or a volvo.    ;D ;D  similarly the smileys don't come out.

Best regards folks.

Mary

PS   There is (or was) a car wash at Bell Bar and another at the Savacentre.   What's a bit of ash when it keep the slugs away.
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: Mary_Morgan on April 15, 2002, 12:02:23 am
 ;Glad to see the smileys work once it is posted.  They don't when I am typing it.
:) ;) :D ;D >:( :( :o 8) ??? ::) :P :-[ :-X :-/ :-* :'(
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: jet on April 15, 2002, 12:22:47 am
Dear Mary,
Thats why I put a smiley on my ash comment, but I bet you knew that and were teasing :)
It is strange around here now, I make a point of saying hello or smiling when I meet someone and half the time I am completely ignored even by close neighbours :(
Perhaps they think that I am a loony for being polite or perhaps they are so posh that they need an introduction by a third party, more likely they just do not know how to be sociable ???
Perhaps they say " theres that miserable *** from the forum?
regards,
jet
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: jet on April 15, 2002, 12:29:50 am
Dear all,
Regarding ash fallout, it is a bit galling when one has polished ones car. :'(
If it falls at night the dew in the morning acts as a catalist for the acid in the ash which marks the paintwork >:(
Not the biggest deal in the world but a bit painfull if ones car is black.
A lot of contractors take garden refuse somewhere private and in fact burn it, >:( I know of a farm nearby that has an almost permanent fire! The problem just moves to someone elses back yard :(
regards,
jet
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: sasquartch on April 15, 2002, 01:14:35 pm
Observer - you obviously live in a completely different world to me.  ??? I wouldn't describe myself as cheap but do live in BP (don't drive a Volvo although I used to have one) , and have had occasional bonfires. I don't want to 'hire a contractor' or hire a 'container thing' (they're called skips by the way). :-/

Perhaps one of your gardeners, or maybe your butler when he has a day off could come and assist me with my garden rubbish  ;)
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: John_fraser on April 15, 2002, 03:33:53 pm
Quote
I don't want to 'hire a contractor' or hire a 'container thing' ...


Fine, but I don’t want smoke spoiling one of the few pleasant evening we get. Why not compost some of it or use the Garden waste service. I currently have 7 full green bags at the foot of my garden waiting for the next collection (22nd April).

I also think people need to recognise the use of humour in posts, although use of a ;-) or :-^ would have made it clearer.

Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: jet on April 15, 2002, 07:13:30 pm
The stink of someones fun ??? permeated my house last night about 11pm, god only knows where it came from,
but red eyes and runny nose in my own bedroom :'(
It just isn't funny.
Regards,
jet
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: Phil_Holm on April 16, 2002, 04:57:24 pm
This is my first posting on the "New Look" site.  Hope I've got it right.

I've been watching this debate grow for about a year now, and last week I contacted Welwyn Hatfield District Council and asked them what they could do about turning Brookmans Park into a smoke free area.

The reply was:

Dear Sir

In reply to your query regarding the above, I write to inform you that Welwyn Hatfield Council have been unable to adopt any bonfires bye-laws, although approaches have been made to the Home office in the past.

However, I would be happy to write to your neighbours requesting that they looked for alternative means of disposal other than burning.

Please supply me with your neighbours address if you wish to take this matter further.

If you require any further information or advice  regarding this matter please contact me on extension 2393.    

Yours Faithfully


Sue DeCordova.
Sue Decordova [S.Decordova@welhat.gov.uk]


I decided that I didn't want to do that, but if any one else wants to send her details of regular offenders you have all her details.
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: jet on April 16, 2002, 05:17:41 pm
They did it for me last year and the offender has not repeated.
Its not about by laws, its about environmental health and statutory nuisance.
Something for Virtual committe to pursue?
regards,
jet
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: MC on April 25, 2002, 12:47:53 am
We were sitting eating dinner outside tonight when someone lit a bonfire at around 6.30pm. I decided I'd had enough and ran round the corner and confronted the person about their behaviour.

The key point, which I hope I got across, was not so much the lighting of a bonfire at all but the point that it was being lit early on a loverly pre-summer evening.

It turned out to be a nice old lady. She claimed :
- it was the first bonfire she'd lit in 40 years
- that she'd checked her neighbours were out but didn't think it would affect others
- that it couldn't be affecting us much and it had only been alight for 20 mins
- it is not possible to proceed when it's cloudy because it will be raining

I do not relish berating OAPs - or anyone - and our conversation was relatively civilised. However, clearly the arguments given were pretty pathetic. The first is irrelevant to the question of lighting a bonfire on a sunny evening. The second is untrue since the guy was out front polishing his car. The 3rd is feeble and irrelevant; besides which I'll be the judge of how much smoke is desirable in my garden. The last remark is just ludicrous.

As ever I am not against bonfires per se - just the time of day, time of year and frequency of their lighting.

My conclusion about this evening is 2-fold :
1 - giving this person the benefit of the doubt there are clearly people who do not realise the consequences of their action (or the prevailing wind direction)
2 - this is an area where NMORA could do something useful

With regard to 2. I propose that we look at any number of courses of action that might give a result.

Mark
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: Editor on April 25, 2002, 01:35:20 am
The local council's advice leaflet on domestic bonfires has been reproduced on this site if anyone is interested in knowing more. click here (http://www.brookmans.com/news/april02/bonfires.shtml)
It gives all sorts of advice but states clearly that people burning garden waste could be breaking the law.
"Under the Environmental Protection Act it is an offence to produce smoke which causes a nuisance and the District Council could serve a Notice requiring you to stop having bonfires – if you continue to cause a smoke nuisance you could be fined up to £2,000. Anyone who allows smoke from a bonfire to drift across a road could also face a fine of up to £2,000 under the Highways Act."
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: justin on May 31, 2002, 03:47:26 am
Correct me if I'm wrong but youare intitled to have a bonfire providing its after 5.30pm the reason being that most peoples washing will or should have been in by then. You are not talking about people burning tyres or any other compounds that are illegal to burn under the house hold waste act of 1976.
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: jet on May 31, 2002, 01:52:57 pm
Dear J.
you can have a bonfire whenever you like.
It can however be a statuatory nuisance at any time if it causes harm etc to anyone who is affected.
Just imagine must get home by 5-30 to get washing in, 5-31 o dear smuts ;)
Be nice if we could all burn the lot on one day per month and all get it over and done with, people who don't like it can perhaps go out?
regards,
jet
A reformed pyromaniac, my neighbours only had to complain once, I realised what a pest I was and stopped
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: Bob on June 21, 2002, 02:28:12 am
Nice warm evening, all the windows open to keep the house cool  :)
The local pyromaniac gets out the matches so close all the windows because the house now stinks of smoke  >:(
Take the dog out and in a 3/4 hour walk round Cuffley I do not escape the bonfire smell  ???

Bob :'(
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: MC on June 24, 2002, 01:18:52 am
Well amazing it's happened again. This post is "very" like my April 24 post because the circumstances are almost exactly identical.............

We were sitting outside this afternoon reading the paper, watching the washing dry, enjoying the sun and colouring the paper (3yr old....) when someone lit a bonfire at around 5.30pm. Adopting my new policy of addressing the issue asap I ran round the corner and found it was a house 2 doors up from the April 24 incident. Unable to attract attention via the doorbell I called over the fence from the school playing field.

As usual the key point was not so much the lighting of a bonfire at all but the point that it was being lit early on a lovely pre-summer evening.

It turned out to be a another nice old lady. This time the claims were :
- she had misjudged the wind to which I countered that it hardly mattered who was receiving the outfall - just that somebody was
- that she couldn't get her rubbish out to the front of the house and into the council sacks to which I countered that she had managed to get it to the end of the garden OK... to which she countered that her side-way is too narrow for this green refuse (amazing how different her house is from everybody else's then)
- that she had apologised and what else could she do to which I'm afraid I countered with "well you could put it out"

We all had to go inside for a while and take down all the washing to avoid it stinking. Our neighbours were less fortunate since they were out and their washing therefore, presumably, now does stink.

As before, I do not relish berating OAPs - or anyone - and our conversation was relatively civilised.

However, as before the arguments were clearly pretty pathetic.

As ever I am not against bonfires per se - just the time of day, time of year and frequency of their lighting.

What is it that goes through the tiny minds of these people that makes them think lighting obviously damp material on a summer evening can in any way be reasonable behaviour?

We get few enough sunny days in this country to have them ruined by this. It really is deeply anti-social behaviour particularly when a recycling alternative is offered by the Council.

My conclusion about this evening is still 2-fold :
1 - continuing to give these people the benefit of the doubt [which is pushing it because the excuses are all just too quick for me to believe there is no guilt] there are clearly people who do not realise the consequences of their action (or the prevailing wind direction)
2 - this is an area where NMORA could do something useful

With regard to 2. I propose that we look at any number of courses of action that might give a result.  

MC
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: Editor on June 24, 2002, 01:31:52 am
The council has written a leaflet,  reproduced here (http://www.brookmans.com/news/april02/bonfires.shtml), advising what can be done about bonfires.
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: ac on June 26, 2002, 03:04:16 pm
I live in a village of 1500 people, Balcombe, West Sussex. I moved from London to a healthier environment.
In winter, the air smells of chimney smoke.
As soon as the weather improves, we are plagued by bonfires.
I sent some guidelines for bonfires to the parish council for publication in their monthly newsletter. They printed their own, weak guidelines, explaining that we depend on people being neighbourly!
I believe that most people don't care that much. That's the problem.
A significant minority (especially people who are at home all day) are affected. This should be enough reason for strong guidelines to be issued by the parish council and other measure to raise awareness.
Until the law is changed (as in Holland), we have to pressure our parish councils.
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: jet on July 07, 2002, 11:49:34 pm
Just had an old school friend and his wife and girl stay over from Canada.
They were astounded that we have bonfires in our residential areas. Apparently any fire whatsoever out there and the fire department turn up and put it out.
They were astounded that people here could be so inconsiderate.
Also they were appalled at the behaviour of children over here both in rudeness, noise and basic educational standard, again behaving badly is just not acceptable in Canada.
I would judge their 4 year old daughter ( in state pre school) To be at a 3 R level of a 12 year old over here.
Childminders cost about £200/ Month!
Gas is quarter the price!
Something is really wrong over here.
Just for info,
regards,
jet
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: MC on July 08, 2002, 01:12:07 pm
I would agree that "something is {maybe} really wrong over here".

It would be interesting to hear others views - a separate thread would be a better place to start this Jet?

MC
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: Bob on July 15, 2002, 02:36:34 am
How did you do over there this weekend,we had one yesterday early evening :( and one early tonight here in Cuffley >:(
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: Editor on August 19, 2002, 06:11:51 pm
After a particularly smoky Sunday evening, when we had to shut all the windows and put up with uncomfotable levels of heat on one of the hottest days of the year because of a number of bonfires in the area, the following information might be of use to those who have built up too much garden waste. Potters Bar tip opening hours (http://www.wasteaware.org.uk/database/hwstimes1.idc?source_code=10) and what they recycle (http://www.wasteaware.org.uk/database/Recycle3.idc?RecyPointID=155) at Potters Bar tip. By the way Argos are doing 370 litre garden waste bags for £9.99 for two. They are showerproof, have handles and fit neatly in a car boot. If you can't get to the tip, the council does provide a garden waste collection service. Special bags (the council will only collect garden waste in its own bags) can be bought from Brookmans Park Post Office. If people feel they have to have bonfires it might be best to wait until the weather is cooler and people are less likely to have their windows open?  Otherwise it makes it very unpleasant for neighbours; and don't forget asthmatic children - it can be a real problem for some.
Collection dates

Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: Zorro on August 19, 2002, 08:36:59 pm
Buenos dias muchachos,
Just got back from la manche, you peeple call it zee English Channel, is mucho easy now with our boats registered here, mucho better than all zee way to Cadiz.
After the wind blew wrong for our Armada we decided to let you come to us is eazieer that way. Enough noticed that el administror which I take to be something like our alcalde had a little trouble over the weekend with smoke. We used to have this trouble but confined it too our town squares when dealing with gringos. This is way in the past now and we are all best of amigos now, especially as you build all our nice new roads for us. Well best way is to lobby your councillors, we have same problems, only see them when voting and then caramba puff they vanish like the smoke in the night. All this is very tiresome no one needs it on the patio, it must stop I think. Seems that someone needs to kick up a stink about it, just a leetle Iberian joke. Hola time to feed Tornado and turn een it is all so stressfull.
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: jet on September 09, 2002, 09:43:08 pm
Dear all,
quite a few people have spoken to me lately about the problems they have with bonfires.
Yesterday some bright spark left a fire smouldering near me and then went out, what with the sun making it catch and the rain making it smoke it ruined the day from 4pm onwards for over 200 people  with the light wind constantly shifting everyone but the culprit was affected. :'(
What an anti social person >:(
regards,
jet
What about some EU anti smoke directives!
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: Margaret on September 11, 2002, 12:30:06 pm
A friend of mine lives on a small estate in St.Albans and they have a committee who decides as and when the residents can do things like bonfires and putting up ariels and such like. They have to have one large bonfire on a specified date and are only allowed one huge ariel to cover the whole estate and in all the years I have been visiting I have never had trouble parking, despite the usual restrictions, because the nieghbours are so considerate.
I went to a Line Dance at the primary school to celebrate the Jubilee at 7.30 pm and the people who live oposite the school entrance decided that was a good time to light a bonfire! It was the  Saturday evening of the Jubilee weekend! :-[
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: Swan on September 11, 2002, 01:30:12 pm
This issue is almost entirely about consideration of others, and could quite easily be resolved with only a tiny amount of thought

as an example, I used to live next to a gent who was rebuilding a large garden, and he would pile all of that days waste into a bonfire during the day, and then last thing at night (before he went to bed) he would light it, thereby avoiding all (or at least most) of the kind of problems that have been mentioned in this thread

So it would appear that education and consideration are the key things
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: Editor on September 11, 2002, 02:15:13 pm
Quote
I used to live next to a gent who was rebuilding a large garden, and he would pile all of that days waste into a bonfire during the day, and then last thing at night (before he went to bed) he would light it, thereby avoiding all (or at least most) of the kind of problems that have been mentioned in this thread. So it would appear that education and consideration are the key things

I am not sure that is the best solution Swan.  A better plan might have been for your neighbour to bag his rubbish up and take it to the tip or, if he didn't have a car, leave it out for the council or alternatively hire a skip. Some people like to have a window open at night and smoke can be distressing for any children suffering from asthma. The smoke gets into older homes without modern double glazing and it is difficult to remove. The National Society for Clean Air and Environemental Protection has a couple of pages on its site (http://www.nsca.org.uk/leaf5.htm) about garden bonfires
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: Swan on September 11, 2002, 07:52:21 pm
Only offered as an example of someone at least trying to be considerate,

Ideally - remove and recycle
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: John_fraser on September 11, 2002, 11:25:41 pm
If you suffered from asthma you would not think it was all that considerate. On a hot night the choice of closing the windows and trying to sleep in a stuffy room or leaving them open and waking up a few hours later feeling like someone is sitting on your chest is not pleasant. If you have a young child with asthma the choice is even worse.
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: Swan on September 12, 2002, 03:27:00 pm
Point taken, duly castigated and humbled :-[
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: sarg3 on September 13, 2002, 12:50:42 am
Jet ?  With 300 odd posts here, im shocked you have time to have a smoke filled walk, go to work, mow lawn, go to dump with cuttings?? where do you get the time??
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: jet on September 13, 2002, 02:33:17 am
I am not sure how to take your post which may have been better suited to a personal message, however I will indulge your question. I manage my time, work from home to avoid commuting and work to live rather than live to work, by doing most things myself I do not need to work hard and give tax paid money to cowboys. As I work for myself I only select work which will appear to pay rather than the employee who tends to be busy without neccasarily achieving anything.
Hope this helps, perhaps you can tell me why you have only posted once  ???
regards,
jet
Also quite a lot of my posts are replies like this one ;)
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: Margaret on September 15, 2002, 03:02:04 am
I have never understood what people find to burn in there bonfires. Most things that we use can be recycled including garden rubbish, have these people not heard of composting to produce lovely rich earth to save spending a fortune at the garden centre and if it is not suitable for composting get some bags from the post office and leave just inside your front garden to be collected. For those unable to carry once filled ask a neighbour. As you may have guessed I am really fed up with the constant smell of bonfires, particularly as I am highly sensitive to all types of smoke.  :-\
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: sarg3 on September 15, 2002, 03:12:34 pm
Jet my post was to be taken in a jest form only, hehe.
Im trying to find more time to get here more often but
at the moment it seems work and more work seems to
be my life!!  Still i managed to get here again.

Hope to get back again soon

Regards

Sarg3
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: Editor on June 23, 2003, 12:35:50 am
It's been a pretty bad evening on the garden bonfire front tonight towards the lower end of Moffats, Bluebridge Avenue and Bluebridge Road. We have had to close all windows on what is a very hot and muggy evening. If anyone is considering lighting a bonfire tonight please spare a thought for those who might have the windows open to get some fresh air.  If you have to have a bonfire perhaps you could make sure there is no wet grass, leaves or household waste - they make matters ten times worse.
Thanks
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: Birch on June 26, 2003, 01:20:51 pm
The other day we were in our garden when we spied smoke from a garden that tends to have lots of bonfires.  We thought not another one.  Anyhow, a few moments later the flames seemed to get quite tall and visible.  It seems the bonfire/bbq was situated under/near their shed which caught light due to the pitch felt roof which then caught a large bush alight, flames 15ft or so tall now and then the fence went. Flames everywhere. People were indoors so didn't see their garden going up. The Fire brigade was called but the family luckily managed to quell the flames before they arrived.  Now they've got half a shed, no fence and half a bush.

I kinda felt a bit smug - like they've got their come-uppence  ;D  Although I was worried for their neighbours cos at one point I thought the fire was going to travel along the fence.
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: oatmeal on June 30, 2003, 07:47:01 pm
I wholly agree with peoples sentiments about lighting smokey bonfires at innapropriate times, however its a sad state of affiars when someone takes offence that they cant knock on the door and have a word, which aggrevied me after i received a letter (wrongfully accused) from the environmental health.

Where has the community spirit gone?
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: jet on June 30, 2003, 08:41:03 pm
Community spirit has gone up in flames.
Join the club of the wrongly accused.
The EH usually write a letter after an EHO has visited and witnessed the offense.
If you have done no wrong, just say so and write back.
It is usuall for people to get the reply "its only once a year" or worse be intimidated if they complain.
More power to EH though if they keep getting called out perhaps they will start taking it seriously and prosecute thus ridding us all of this unhealthy nuisance situation once and for all.
regards,
jet
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: oatmeal on July 01, 2003, 01:01:56 pm
interesting point, although it is not illegal to have a bonfire, only if it persists in being a nuisance, hence my earlier point of talking to the perpetrator first, then escalating if necessary. Personally, as long as the fires are dry material, non smokey and lit late at night when everyone is indoors I dont have a problem with it
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: Editor on July 03, 2003, 12:11:46 am
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Personally, as long as the fires are dry material, non smokey and lit late at night when everyone is indoors I dont have a problem with it

Hi Oatmeal, the trouble is that bonfires are seldom of the non smokey variety. It is just after 9pm and, although not a hot summer day, is the type of day when it is nice to have the windows open. However we have had to shut the windows because of the smell of smoke which has now spread throughout the house. Perhaps we will be able to open the windows later when we go to bed, but I doubt it. Perhaps it is not about laws and rules, but about consideration for others?
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: jet on July 10, 2003, 01:02:00 am
At about 8-30 pm on the warmest nicest evening of the year some illegitamit person had a bonfire, despite the choking smoke the property was un identifiable under the smoke screen,grrrrrrrrrr
regards,
jet
Nil illigitum corborundum
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: Alfred the Great on July 12, 2003, 01:02:19 am
I thought it was noli illegitimi carborundum

And would the latin scholars care to comment on the grammar of this?

Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: jet on July 12, 2003, 03:05:15 am
oh procedus offus and muliplius est pendanticus persona
semper en excretia profundum veritas
regardi,
jetus
Seriously (ish) it must be remembered Latin, like other crude languages,French for instance, cannot be directly translated, its when individual words are placed together that a meaning other than the literal translation occours.
Nil nhlis nlis etc all tend to mean "nothing" in a collective way. In the Nil ill.carb. phrase "nothing illigitimate grind" has been used in modern times to mean " don't let the ******* wear you down"
In other words its a joke!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: eric on July 14, 2003, 11:45:45 am
Was it not about forty years ago that Lord Denning pronounced "nil combustibus Pro fumo" ?
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: jet on July 14, 2003, 12:44:02 pm
Now thats what we need, entertaining jeux de verb.

A Latin story from schooldays:-

Der dago forti loriz inaro
Dem arno loriz dem artrux
Ful acuwz anenz andux

regardi

septicus jetus
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: john on July 14, 2003, 01:00:58 pm
Not exactly "bonfires thread", but joining in the Latin thread, it's sad (?) that in these times it is still possible to persuade some students that an acceptable latin Grace before food is "lux domestos omo brobat"

bw   -  j(f)  (rvc-one)
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: jet on July 14, 2003, 02:58:32 pm
its refreshing to read a post like the previous one and laugh,
regards
jetus scepticus
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: Birch on July 14, 2003, 07:47:40 pm
Not exactly bonfires but...after all the press last week about creosote being made illegal to use and buy, and how it's generally really pokey stuff which burns the eyes and lungs (not to mention that it's highly toxic and cancerous), our lovely next door neighbours decided at 12pm Sat to creosote 3 sides of their garden fence with stuff.

Mmmm, how pleasant for us.  We had to close the windows (on one of the hottest days of hte year) and leave the house to escape the fumes.  I mumbled obscenities rather too loudly in the back garden.

Birch  >:(
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: jet on July 15, 2003, 12:24:50 am
I don't know some people are never happy, I mean if they had not treated the fence you would only have moaned if it went rotten.
Joking aside I know what you mean having had to have my doors and windows closed for 4 hours on the hottest day of the year because of a pack of screaming uncontrolled brats expressing themselves.
The parents will moan when these hooligans grow bigger, take no notice of their elders and tear around the village in noisy cars, they will say " I don't know where they get it from " etc.
GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
regards,
jet
Thank God for Gobions a lovelly quiet place to go when your own home is not your own, noise nuisance is a form of burglary where ones peace is stolen by others.
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: Margaret on July 22, 2003, 02:18:40 am
Know what you mean Jet but with me it's a yapping dog. On and off all day long, Yap,Yap,Yap. I have been know to scream shut up occaisionally before realising that is worse than the dog. So if the dog owners, who I think live in Shrublands read this, Please, Please stop your dog yapping all day every day. It's driving me mad!
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: jet on July 22, 2003, 12:21:27 pm
The one thing that the EH can deal with is a constant yapping dog, I suggest you contact the council, try to make sure the thing is yapping when they call though.
regards,
jet
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: Margaret on September 15, 2003, 11:14:42 am
The council can only act if we can tell them exactly where the offending dog comes from, with so many dogs around that is almost impossible. But I would like to thank the person from either Woodlands, Calder or Mymms Drive who had a bonfire going nearly all day Saturday and then again on Sunday, having smoke fill your house (& Lungs) for the best part of a beautiful weekend was really enthralling!!!!!!!!! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: colinr on June 17, 2004, 02:07:06 am
Yet again as soon as we have weather pleasant enough to open our windows or sit in the gardens after a day at work, there are the same inconsiderate idiots who have to find something in their garden to burn and make it impossible to enjoy the fresh air. We are all fortunate enough to live in an area of the country that offers a fantastic recycling programme please see

http://www.welhat.gov.uk/council/default.asp?step=4&pid=180

So can I ask you if you are one of these pyromaniacs what is it you burn? Why do you do it? And why don’t you recycle it? Please tell me because I really want to know. If you can justify you actions then I will open all my windows and breath in the acrid air, but if you can’t please put it out and let me breath. Thank you
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: Editor on June 17, 2004, 11:29:27 pm
Hi Colinr,

I think the only safe course of action is to shut all windows on hot summer evenings.

Trying to keep the smoke out and keep cool is a lost cause.  

You are right, there is absolutely no need to burn rubbish, but some seem to feel it is a right.

Either those who light fires in the evening don't read this forum, or they don't care.

I have yet to see someone post to this forum putting the case for contributing to smoke pollution on evenings when most people will have their windows open.

Perhaps a bonfire enthusiast will one day. I would like to read the arguments for.
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: colinr on June 21, 2004, 11:58:52 pm
I am sorry to go on, but it’s 8.30pm and again some stupid Brookmans Park clown is burning his/her garden rubbish. So I will shut my windows and sit inside because he or she obviously has the right to do this!!! and s*d everybody else.
I see a lot have read this post but so far nobody can come up with a reason as to why burning rubbish is a pass time enjoyed by so few, (or is it so many) are you all lost for words?
Or is this a subject we should sweep under the carpet?
I look forward to some response.
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: Alfred the Great on June 22, 2004, 01:15:17 am
I think I mentioned years ago on the old forum that the reason why people burn rubbish is not because they don't want to put it out for the bin men or because they don't have a compost heap, but simply because all the old (and some of the new) gardening books tell you to "burn all weeds and infected plants", which is why it always smells so awful. In addition, the material is still almost 100% water so does not burn fast hence the smoke just drifts instead of going upwards.

Up here at Greatville we do have bonfires but not in the spring or summer, and do not burn anything other than old wood which the chipping machine cannot touch and which our friends with open fires would not be interested in.

ATG
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: colinr on June 22, 2004, 01:51:00 am
Nice reply and Greatville sounds like the ideal place to live. But if these other people want to dispose of the garden waste and "burn all weeds and infected plants" then they should look at being environmentally aware and not pollute the air that we all breath.
As I said earlier. We are lucky enough to have Welwyn Hatfield Council’s KERBSIDE COLLECTIONS on our doorstep, and they are I believe better qualified to environmentally dispose of the nasty things growing in out grass cuttings and weeds. So lets all use this fantastic service please before my lungs give up and my curtains, clothes and furniture require cleaning to rid them of these acrid smells.
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: sammy on June 22, 2004, 03:52:23 pm
Are they really just burning plant matter - this shouldn't produce much of an "acrid" smell should it? Wouldn't that come from other man-made stuff?

We don't suffer much from this, but I'd suspect that some people just like to get a fire going and keep chucking stuff on. Nothing more than that - they like to make fire and burn things!

Sammy
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: Margaret on June 26, 2004, 07:41:27 pm
Bonfires are the bane of my life. Lunchtimes at the weekend, just when children are coming home from school, when people have just got home from work and want to relax in their garden somebody in Brookmans Park lights a bonfire. Down the primary school at lunchtime the other week somebody near the school lit a bonfire, I don't know what they were burning but it smelt really awful and the smoke was blowing all round the playgrounds (it was a very windy day).
I have just come back from two weeks holdiday in Cornwall, lovely fresh air, knew when I was back in Brookmans Park though, two bonfires on the way through the village. Two weeks in Conwall only two bonfires and they were in the middle of nowhere on farms. They are the bane of my life because I have an allergic reation to all smoke as well as disliking the smell and I know quite a few people who suffer from Asthma who suffer even more when there is a lot of smoke around.
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: barmy on November 11, 2005, 09:50:55 pm
Living by the railway line in Peplyn's Way, I am fortunate to have a reasonable depth of garden.  I am also able to maintain a bonfire spot at the foot of the garden, which has now healthily been stocked with some old pallets, a couple of tyres from my wife's car and some tarpaulins that I have had knocking about for a while in the shed, as well as some cuttings from the garden - which given the relatively mild Autumn are remarkably lush still. Has anyone else noticed the leaves are falling later this year? - must be global warming.

I would like to advise that I intend to incenerate said items on Saturday afternoon the 19th November.  Therefore please can you not have washing on lines or windows open in the vincinity at that time (Weather permitting, of course).  I hope the inconvenience will be minimal. 

Thank you for your understanding.  ;)
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: supersonic on November 11, 2005, 10:17:44 pm
Err, Barmy, I'm not absolutley certain of this, but I think there may now be environmental regulations that forbid the burning of car tyres.


supersonic
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: Editor on November 11, 2005, 10:31:44 pm
I've merged this with an existing thread on this topic.

David
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: Mary_Morgan on November 14, 2005, 06:41:39 pm
Is there not a company in the railway sidings at  Welham  Green that offers you money for pallets?  Seems stupid to burn them if you can make a bob or two.

I must admit to quite liking a nice bonfire, but is it really necessary when it can cause discomfort to one's neighbours and it is very little effort to take rubbish to the tip in Potters Bar or on the Hertford road out of Hatfield.   :icon_scratch:

Suggest Barmy might like to use the tarpaulins to wrap up the rubbish and take it to the tip ;)

As for burning tyres - personally I think it should be criminal to inflict rubber smoke on anyone - but, of course, I think one would have to pay to have them taken away and paying to clear their rubbish is something that not a lot of people are happy about :o Query leave them with the "tyre shop" when they are changed, or is that too simple ???

M
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: Bob on November 14, 2005, 08:03:19 pm
Old vehicle tyres have to be disposed of correctly and burning them will be illegal as well as dangerous.
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: barmy on November 14, 2005, 11:27:17 pm
Actually on reflection I think I will take up the suggestion and wrap up the tyres into the tarps and take them down the tip.  I shall probably just stick to burning the relatively safe combustables in the pallets and the greenery.  If it is a damp day, I shall postpone my bonfire fun, as the smoke tends to hang on such days.

Apologies for unnecessary alarm!

Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: Max on November 15, 2005, 05:34:43 am
I agree with Mary that it is quite pleasant to have a bonfire on a dry autumn evening, especially if there is some barbecuing associated with it. Living in Greece as I do, there is hardly a day when people are not cooking somewhere in the neighbourhood on some kind of out door wood or charcoal burning device (especially a gypsy family who used to live next door and actually did seem to spend a good many evening roasting hedgehogs on a spit, something that I had not believed that gypsies actually did. Quite tasty, since you ask). People (self-included) just don't seem to be bothered by it.

On the other hand, one must obviously show consideration to the neighbours. An occasional fire, consisting of wood, seems to me to be quite OK, but regular burning of even garden rubbish, let alone more objectionable materials (tyres, old matresses, dead dogs, murdered spouses etc.) is obviously not acceptable. Reason, consideration and tollerance from all parties is obviously the most desirable solution to the issue.

Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: sasquartch on November 18, 2005, 12:00:09 pm
Hopefully barmy's tyres were taken to the tip - otherwise Peplins Way might look like this  :o ;D

(http://www.peplins.plus.com/images/bonfire.jpg)
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: barmy on November 18, 2005, 10:12:10 pm
Indeed they were and it won't be armageddon after all!    :)
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: Rocket on February 07, 2006, 04:36:56 pm
WHAT’S THE LEGAL POSITION?

Many people assume that there are specific bye-laws to prohibit bonfires. There aren’t. If used sensitively, the occasional bonfire – or barbecue- should not cause a major problem and an outright ban would be unreasonable. However, if a neighbour is causing a continuing nuisance by burning rubbish, legal powers can be used.

Under the Environmental Protection Act 1990, it is an offence to cause a statutory nuisance. This includes smoke and can include nuisance created by bonfires. To be considered a possible nuisance, the bonfire would have to be a regular problem and interfering substantially with your well-being, comfort or enjoyment of your property.

If you are bothered by persistent bonfire smoke it is best to approach your neighbour first and explain the problem. You may feel awkward, but they may not be aware of the distress they are causing and it might make them more considerate in the future. If this approach fails, contact us. We will take reasonable steps to investigate you complaint and can take action under the Environmental Protection Act by issuing a nuisance abatement notice. The same Act allows you to take private action in the magistrates’ court.

Remember, if the fire is only occasional this is unlikely to be considered a nuisance. Similarly, if you are being troubled by a series of bonfires from different neighbours, each one of whom only burns occasionally, this will not be considered a nuisance because no single individual can be held responsible. In this situation all you can do is encourage them to consider the alternatives.

Finally, under the Highways (Amendment) Act 1986, anyone lighting a fire and allowing smoke to drift across a road faces a fine of up to £2000 if it endangers traffic. Contact the police in this case.

Rocket
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: Editor on June 04, 2006, 06:46:09 am
Could the person who started a bonfire yesterday evening, on the hottest day of the year so far, please think of your neighbours next time you get the idea to burn rubbish on a lovely summer night?

We had to, once again, close all the windows. The smell was still lingering down the bottom end of Moffats at 3am this morning when I tried to let some fresh air in.

It is not necessary. The council has a recycling collection and there are recycling facilities at the local tips.

David
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: barmy on July 09, 2006, 11:09:32 pm
So if the general consensus around Graden Bonfires is the smoke getting in your eyes (Isn't that a song?) and up your nose when you have windows open on hot sumer nights (another song?) is an irritant, how many of those grumbling are quite happy to light a charcoal bonfire, invite some friends around and cook a hearty meal of suasages, burgers, steak etc?  Coz, I'm thinking that a good BBQ doesn't half create a load of smoke and "cooking" smells and would that not constitute a similar irritant.

Clearly the answre is no fires of any kind in the garden whatever the purpose.  :(.   If you were not allowed to BBQ ever again, you'd probably not be best pleased.  SO the argument of happy medium, consideration and social tolerance is a winner - right?  :)

Been away a while, but back now!!

B
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: Editor on July 10, 2006, 07:11:56 am

consideration and social tolerance is a winner - right?  :)


I agree, consideration and social tolerance is needed - particularly consideration.

Could people please answer any of the BBQ points in a separate thread on that topic, so that this thread can focus on garden bonfires.

Click here for the garden BBQ thread. (http://www.brookmans.com/forum/index.php?topic=1070)

Thanks

David
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: Editor on July 19, 2006, 12:40:56 pm
It had to happen. Lunchtime on what is predicted as being the hottest day on record and someone along Moffats Lane lights a bonfire with dark smoke wafting around the neighbourhood. Time to go round closing all the windows. Amazing disregard for others.
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: Mermaid on July 19, 2006, 01:04:00 pm

Isn't there a bye-law that they can't light up before 7.00pm?
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: Editor on July 19, 2006, 01:05:14 pm

Isn't there a bye-law that they can't light up before 7.00pm?


There might be, but that presumes they can read.

 :-\
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: Mermaid on July 19, 2006, 01:11:51 pm

Isn't there a 'nuisance neighbours' dept in the council that you can report them to?

I bet the local fireman wouldn't be too pleased either that someone was deliberately setting fire to something in this tinder-box dry environment!

 >:(
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: Editor on July 19, 2006, 01:14:34 pm
It's died down now and I've opened the windows again. I guess those of us who work from home shouldn't moan too much, at least we don't have to suffer the tube in this heat. I really hope the Brooky Park Bonfire Club doesn't have an event tonight. There's no mention of one in the site's What's On Diary, so we might be okay.

 ;)

David
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: Bobb on June 28, 2009, 05:01:21 pm
Unbelievably it's coming up to 5pm on one of the hottest Sundays so far and I can barely see the end of my garden for smoke.

It looks like some idiot Bluebridge Road way has decided this is the perfect time for a bonfire.

I'd like the person responsible to be aware that it is NOT.

1- it's hot - so most windows and doors are open so the smoke is going right through the house
2- a lot of people have washing out
3- there is no wind so the smoke just hangs about
4- it's daylight and most people want to enjoy there garden - not be smoked out

I am seriously not impressed.
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: Editor on June 28, 2009, 05:05:34 pm
Bit thick, isn't it Bobb [not the smoke, the person]. This used to be quite a problem in the past, but seemed to have gone away a bit since the introduction of the garden recycle scheme. (Merging this with the existing thread so you can see the history of the issue). Better shut my windows, I only live round the corner.

David
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: Editor on June 28, 2009, 06:41:40 pm
Just adding to Bobb's point. It's 18:40 on a warm Sunday night and some arse has lit a fire, so we are going round shutting all windows when we would prefer to have a breeze through the house. Can the arse please think of others in the future. [probably not, daft question]

 :-\
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: colinr on June 29, 2009, 03:52:44 pm
Hey Dave how about a name and shame? As soon as I see and smell the smoke I can take a snap add it to the Google map linked to the house number and then all can see the idiots location, its a sort of BP ASBO, what do you think will it fly or has anybody got any objections......
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: Alex on June 29, 2009, 04:27:04 pm


There is clear advice re bonfires at Wel. Hat web site under environmental.

The link is;

http://www.fegga.org/main/download.php?id=36352,41,1

Clearly if there is a nuisence then you have clear rights- and offenders can be seriously fined!
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: Editor on June 29, 2009, 04:47:09 pm
I just hope someone doesn't start one tonight on an evening when everyone will have their windows open. What's the betting someone will?

Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: Strad on June 30, 2009, 10:09:09 am
Alex is the link that you have shown correct?
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: Alex on June 30, 2009, 10:20:38 am
I copied it from Welwyn and Hatfield site.

I suggest that you go to the site, go to environmental, search for garden fires and its all there
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: Editor on February 09, 2011, 10:39:50 am
Seems strange to see smoke and smell a bonfire these days with so many opportunities for recycling. Seems so unnecessary; and it really does stink.  Have just gone round shutting the windows. Would love to see someone post justifying polluting the atmosphere for their neighbours.

Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: sasquartch on February 09, 2011, 11:20:19 am
No, I am not justifying anyone having a bonfire that causes any trouble for their neighbours.

But not everything can be recycled. For example if you replaced a wooden fence you might want to dispose of the old materials by having a fire. But obviously this should only be done if wind conditions etc are such that no-one will be inconvenienced.

But if it's just garden waste such as leaves there's really no reason at all to use the brown bins.

Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: Editor on February 09, 2011, 11:40:40 am

But not everything can be recycled. For example if you replaced a wooden fence you might want to dispose of the old materials by having a fire. But obviously this should only be done if wind conditions etc are such that no-one will be inconvenienced.


I disagree. Not a good idea to burn treated wood in the garden. That will really stink. Either take it to the tip or hire someone to remove it. Burning it is not a good plan.  Lighting a bonfire is just selfish in my view.

Dave
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: sharks on February 09, 2011, 11:42:51 am
Wholeheartedly agree Sasquartch.

On the positive side, it is a nice experience for a family to huddle round a bonfire toasting marshmallows or cooking potatos and just having some family time.  My boy actually moves away from the TV and Xbox.

That said I am a passionate recycler, recycling or composting as much as I possibly can.  I also restrict myself to one bonfire a year normally on a cold still November evening to minimise the impact to neigbours.

One of my neighbours irritates me when he has a bonfire - primarily because he is incompetent at lighting fires.  Firstly you smell the paraffin where this is poured liberally over the pile, for a brief second there is a roaring fire, then the air gets filled with bonfire fumes where the fire hasn't got enough heat for the smoke to rise.  Then it goes out and he tries again a few days later.  Incompetent!!

The moral if there is one, is to have the bonfire but make sure you are considerate to your neighbours.  Why not invite them round for some muld wine and marshmallows and get to know each other.
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: epiphany on February 09, 2011, 12:12:51 pm
But not everything can be recycled. For example if you replaced a wooden fence you might want to dispose of the old materials by having a fire.

There are skips at Potters Bar and A414 dumps solely for the purpose of recycling wood!!
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: sasquartch on February 09, 2011, 12:32:37 pm
But not everything can be recycled. For example if you replaced a wooden fence you might want to dispose of the old materials by having a fire.

There are skips at Potters Bar and A414 dumps solely for the purpose of recycling wood!!

This was a hypothetical example - but in this hypothetical example the householder might not be able to carry a large number of fence panels and posts in their vehicle to the dump
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: PS on February 09, 2011, 12:39:34 pm
Of course, DB's suggestion that you "hire" someone costs !! I would suggest that in todays autere periods [with increases in practically everything rising day by day] people would be inclined to simply burn the stuff. Even the cost of getting to the re-cycling centres for some people may well be too much.
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: Editor on February 09, 2011, 02:21:03 pm
Of course, DB's suggestion that you "hire" someone costs !! I would suggest that in todays autere periods [with increases in practically everything rising day by day] people would be inclined to simply burn the stuff. Even the cost of getting to the re-cycling centres for some people may well be too much.

Good point, PS, but burning garden fencing in a village like this can't be right. If you live in a remote farm, perhaps, but to pollute the environment for your neighbours (when they have no say in the matter) can't be right.  It may be legal, but it is hardly considerate.
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: PS on February 09, 2011, 02:34:53 pm
Indeed - it is NOT considerate at all. But merely one example of a reflection of how a society like the UK is progressively going down the pan. The bottom line is, if you simply cannot afford to "hire" to dispose, or pensioners on a state pension spending 2 or 3 % of their weekly handout to get to a tip and back, then inevitably people have no choice but to burn. 
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: Editor on February 09, 2011, 02:41:46 pm
The bottom line is, if you simply cannot afford to "hire" to dispose, or pensioners on a state pension spending 2 or 3 % of their weekly handout to get to a tip and back, then inevitably people have no choice but to burn. 

Fair point, but not sure that was the case in Brooky Park this afternoon, or relevant to the cases put earlier for burning garden fences.
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: Mr T on February 09, 2011, 03:54:13 pm
Maybe it was something to do with the Cannabis Factory the police have just closed down on Oaklands Avenue this afternoon!?! :icon_jokercolor:
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: BrookyP on February 09, 2011, 04:36:01 pm
I wondered why i felt so happy....
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: Editor on April 04, 2011, 02:56:51 pm
There can't really be any justification for having a garden bonfire now we have so much opportunity to recycle.  Unless of course it's to annoy the neighbours and make their houses stink.
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: LMS on April 04, 2011, 05:10:42 pm
I totally agree - it is such an anti social activity, especially in daylight hours. My neighbour lit up a particularly smoky, smelly fire a couple of weeks ago at about six o clock in the evening - I had to rush around closing all of the windows on one of the very first of the spring days - such a shame! Why do people do it?
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: Editor on April 04, 2011, 05:29:04 pm
I totally agree - it is such an anti social activity, especially in daylight hours. My neighbour lit up a particularly smoky, smelly fire a couple of weeks ago at about six o clock in the evening - I had to rush around closing all of the windows on one of the very first of the spring days - such a shame! Why do people do it?

Yes, I had to shut all the windows, too.  And We had all the sheets out drying because it was such a good drying day.  I wonder what goes through someone's head when they decide to set fire to stuff on a sunny windy day?  Or perhaps they don't think about it all that much?
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: Dezza on April 05, 2011, 11:37:56 am
There is nothing, nothing quite so satisfying as having a bonfire.
I light one twice a year and relish every smoke choking, laundry smelling, ash ridden moment!
  >:D
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: Editor on April 05, 2011, 12:36:33 pm
There is nothing, nothing quite so satisfying as having a bonfire.
I light one twice a year and relish every smoke choking, laundry smelling, ash ridden moment!
  >:D

So it was you, Dezza, and on the one day in the year when I was put in charge of hanging the washing out.

 :)

I was told to make sure to get the sheets in before it rained - but not warned that big pieces of black ash would be descending on the garden.  I hope the family don't mind sleeping in sheets that smell like kippers.


Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: Dezza on April 05, 2011, 06:16:28 pm
False accusation, Mr Brewer.
I would never have a bonfire on a Monday; It has to be a Sunday evening with soup and sausages and you'll all be invited to join the fun!
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: Editor on April 05, 2011, 06:32:13 pm
False accusation, Mr Brewer.
I would never have a bonfire on a Monday; It has to be a Sunday evening with soup and sausages and you'll all be invited to join the fun!

Brill, I'll be there. And I can smell like a kipper all Monday.

 ;)
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: sharks on April 05, 2011, 07:06:03 pm
Sounds like a party at yours then Dezza - i'll bring the old tyres.
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: Editor on April 12, 2011, 01:43:35 pm
False accusation, Mr Brewer.
I would never have a bonfire on a Monday; It has to be a Sunday evening with soup and sausages and you'll all be invited to join the fun!

That wasn't you again was it Dezza stinking out the neighbourhood on a lovely sunny and windy day? 

No, couldn't be, it's a Tuesday.  I wonder whose turn it is to be totally unsociable on Tuesdays?

 ;)

The bottom end of Moffats stinks.

 >:(

I wonder whether it's worth starting a thread entitled 'I am going to stink out the neighbourhood' linked to the calendar so we can all plan round it?

 :icon_scratch:
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: colinr on April 12, 2011, 02:11:17 pm
Hello Dave

I agree with you totally in fact I think I posted about this subject last year and the year before and possibly all three years before that!!

Why don't we all look at this information sheet issued by WHC.

http://www.welhat.gov.uk/index.aspx?articleid=258

Print it out and fly tip it on the door step of the offending pyromaniacs. 

Or we could burn it and blow the smoke in their direction.

Me angry ? No chance! Better get the washing in now.   :icon_jokercolor:
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: Editor on April 12, 2011, 02:56:58 pm
Thanks for that Colin, I think it is worth copying that document here.

http://www.welhat.gov.uk/CHttpHandler.ashx?id=1481&p=0 (http://www.welhat.gov.uk/CHttpHandler.ashx?id=1481&p=0)

Quote

DOMESTIC BONFIRES

A Guide to Good Practice


Bonfires can cause real annoyance and nuisance to neighbours and we strongly discourage them. The Environmental Health Department receives many complaints every year from members of the public who are upset by smoke from bonfires thoughtlessly lit by their neighbours. Unpleasant smells and ash deposits can ruin your neighbours’ washing and spoil their enjoyment of their houses and gardens. Smoke can also be very distressing, especially if the person suffers from asthma or similar conditions.

Before you light a bonfire, ask yourself is it really necessary?

Most garden waste can be composted and will provide valuable humus for the garden. Waste material should be recycled or disposed of at your nearest civic amenity site or placed in your Brown Bin if you have one.

If you are determined to have a bonfire, here are some guidelines to minimise the risk of it becoming a serious nuisance:

• Choose the site and time for your bonfire carefully, taking notice of those living nearby.
• Never light a bonfire unless you are satisfied that weather conditions and wind direction will mean that smoke will be carried away from your neighbours’ windows and gardens – if it’s misty or damp, the bonfire will smoulder and produce excessive smoke; if it’s windy, smoke may blow into neighbouring properties and across roads; if the air is still, smoke will linger at low levels.
• Make sure that there is no laundry drying in any neighbouring gardens.
• Only put dry material on the bonfire that will burn quickly and with the minimum of smoke.
• Compost or bury soft vegetable waste and grass cuttings, etc, which are difficult to dry
• Never burn oily rags, rubber, plastics, foam, paint or such materials as they will produce heavy or pungent smoke.
• Never use flammable liquids such as oil or petrol to help start your bonfire.
• Remember – bonfires are dangerous; never leave them unattended. Do not even leave them when they are smouldering – douse them with water if necessary. Fire can spread to fences or buildings and scorch trees and plants.
• Let your neighbours enjoy their time off from work do not burn at weekends or on bank holidays.

Nuisance

If the smoke, fly ash or gritty particles associated with a commercial bonfire cause a nuisance to other people then this is a statutory nuisance under the Environmental Protection Act 1990. The Council can serve a notice to abate the nuisance (stop it) or prevent it happening again. If the person responsible does not comply with this notice then they can be fined up to £20,000.

Proper Disposal

Instead of burning materials you must arrange for them to be taken away to a proper waste disposal site.

DO NOT BE TEMPTED TO FLY TIP.

This is a serious offence under the Environmental Protection Act 1990 and carries a maximum penalty of £20,000 and up to 6 months imprisonment in the Magistrates Court, or unlimited fines and up to 2 years imprisonment at Crown Court. The maximum sentence is even higher (5 years) for dumping special waste which may be harmful to health.

You can either take the waste yourself or arrange a waste carrier to take it for you. If you use someone else then you have a duty to ensure that they are an authorised carrier. They will arrange for you to complete and sign a transfer note. This is so that no-one can arrange to take waste from other people and then dump it illegally. If this happened then the contractor and the person employing them would be held partly responsible under the law unless they had properly checked the waste carrier's credentials and signed a transfer note.

Details of alternative methods of waste disposal can be found at www.wasteaware.org.uk. If you require further information about the Council’s garden waste collection then, call 01707 357000, or e-mail contact-whc@welhat.gov.uk

To find out more about businesses' responsibilities under the Environmental Protection Act and to check if your service provider is registered, visit the Environment Agency website.

Complaints about a persistent nuisance caused by regular bonfires can be referred to Environmental Health. Contact us on 01707 357 242.


Good to have the number to ring in order to complain.
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: Editor on April 20, 2011, 09:49:31 am
Bonfire Alert

If you live at the lower end of Moffats you may want to get the washing in and close the windows.  Someone has decided that it's a lovely day for a bonfire.

 >:(
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: Editor on May 30, 2012, 04:44:50 pm
Message for the person burning plastic and paper down the bottom end of Moffats.
The recycling people come tomorrow. There is absolutely no need to pollute the atmosphere and force us to close all the windows on a warm breezy day. Give a little thought to others and the environment, please.
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: Phil_Holm on July 21, 2012, 05:50:01 pm
Thank you to the ignorant idiot in Peplins Close who has ruined the best day in months by filling my garden with smoke.

Why do people think it's necessary, or even socially acceptable to have bonfires.

With all the recycling that goes on these days. It's completely un necessary.

Shame there's a hose pipe ban, or I might have put it out for him !!

 >:(
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: Helen on July 21, 2012, 08:10:25 pm
No hosepipe ban any more Phil - go for it!!!
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: BrookyP on July 22, 2012, 03:58:10 pm
We had someone light one at A1000 end of BP on a nice sunny day :icon_scratch:

Cant really get my head around the reasoning of some people.

Call me traditional but heres a suggestion

Do it when the weather is s++t and no one is outside except you!!

I know-mental isnt it :o

be p


Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: Editor on July 23, 2012, 07:58:26 am
Do it when the weather is s++t and no one is outside except you!!

Hi BP, good suggestion, but even on nasty days people have their windows open.  I think Phil's suggestion that people make use of the excellent recycling facilities made in an earlier post is the way to go.

With all the recycling that goes on these days. It's completely un necessary.

Discussing this issue in the pub the other day I heard on local resident declare that it was his right to light a bonfire in his own garden. This is what those who believe in recycling and clean air are up against.

David
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: BrookyP on February 20, 2013, 05:09:20 pm
Great smokey bonfire in garden of mimms drive at the moment-Looks like they are burning fresh damp cuttings. The whole place looks like a scene from a war zone and my house now stinks of bonfire.

Have to say in their defence though it does seems the optimum time to light it.-The first nice sunny day we have had for a while.

Full marks guys and remember never ever light a bonfire on a cold dark winters day as this is definatley the worst time to do it.

But of course we all know that.......

bp :icon_scratch:
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: Dezza on February 20, 2013, 07:44:42 pm
Great smokey bonfire in garden of mimms drive at the moment-Looks like they are burning fresh damp cuttings. The whole place looks like a scene from a war zone and my house now stinks of bonfire.


Sounds to me that as you're writing at past five o clock on a February afternoon, your neighbours aren't being particularly antisocial.  ::)
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: Mermaid on June 19, 2013, 07:00:41 pm
Why Oh Why??!!! 

Got home, hot and sticky. House a bit stuffy. Throw windows open to get air in. Some MONUMENTAL IDIOT has a bonfire in Bluebridge, smelling like burning rubber!!!!!    >:(
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: Editor on June 20, 2013, 08:20:53 am
Why Oh Why??!!! 

Got home, hot and sticky. House a bit stuffy. Throw windows open to get air in. Some MONUMENTAL IDIOT has a bonfire in Bluebridge, smelling like burning rubber!!!!!    >:(

If they are burning rubber it might be worth drawing their attention to the WHC guidelines on garden bonfires.

http://www.welhat.gov.uk/CHttpHandler.ashx?id=1481&p=0

I tweeted to try to draw WHC's attention to the problem.

Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: BrookyP on June 20, 2013, 11:26:43 am
same issue a few weeks ago here. my neighbor was cool about it though and put it out.  ;D

ahh first world problems and the dilemmas of sub urban living BP
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: Editor on June 21, 2013, 01:19:20 pm
Nice to see WHC respond to our tweet on this issue. They will be looking into it.

Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: WelhatCouncil on June 21, 2013, 04:09:04 pm
The Environmental Health department strongly discourages people having bonfires and offer advice on alternative means of disposal of garden waste.

If you wish us to investigate this matter further please contact the Environmental Health Department on 01707 357242

For more information on Bonfires and anti social behaviour please see our website: http://www.welhat.gov.uk/index.aspx?articleid=258 (http://www.welhat.gov.uk/index.aspx?articleid=258)

Thank you,

WHBC
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: BrookyP on July 15, 2013, 04:48:13 pm
Nice Hot Day. Light Breeze. What to do?

Hmmm...let me see... I know (ding) lets pile up all our garden c++p and light it up....

hell its not like anyones going to have their windows open is it....

nil points mymms drive resident .

bp
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: Editor on July 15, 2013, 08:11:29 pm
Nice Hot Day. Light Breeze. What to do?

Hmmm...let me see... I know (ding) lets pile up all our garden c++p and light it up....

hell its not like anyones going to have their windows open is it....

nil points mymms drive resident .

bp

Agreed. Totally selfish. We've had one down the village end of Moffats. Have tweeted the question.

Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: Greybeard on July 24, 2013, 04:56:47 pm
Just don't.

(We know who it was.)
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: Editor on July 24, 2013, 05:04:06 pm
Hi Greybeard,

I have merged your post with an existing thread on this issue but left your topic subject line as it was.

David
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: Editor on August 02, 2013, 12:33:11 pm
Smelly bonfire on Bluebridge this lunchtime. I wonder if the owner considered that neighbours might have the windows open on such a windy day?  I somehow doubt it.  Ah well, time to shut the windows. Perhaps they'd be kind enough to post here when they have finished so I can open the windows again.
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: BrookyP on August 02, 2013, 12:47:36 pm
Yes I just got a car full of smoke driving up Moffats. It made me think.

With all the fuss about the incinerator which I believe is filtered passed EU recommendations, why has nobody done anything about bonfires which I would say pound for pound are far more polluting.

In the meantime folks-hey why not cease being selfish ***** and go to the dump with all your cr@p. I know, crazy eh!

Me? I cant let the neighbors out smoke me. Im just off to the the back of the garden to burn a tyre filled with diesel!!

BP
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: Editor on August 02, 2013, 02:09:53 pm
Regarding BrookyP's point - I wonder what's more damaging 1) a garden bonfire in the neighbourhood or 2) an incinerator two miles away?  Would be interested to know what the comparison is in air pollution.

With all the fuss about the incinerator which I believe is filtered passed EU recommendations, why has nobody done anything about bonfires which I would say pound for pound are far more polluting.

Will ask the experts...

Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: Editor on August 02, 2013, 08:15:38 pm
Not really what was wanted. We already knew about that link.




Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: Largey on October 12, 2013, 04:24:16 pm
I wish the person in Warrengate Road who has had a bonfire running ALL day today billowing out thick smoke and ash covering all of our cars etc would read this forum.
We have been unable to open any window or go into the garden to work due to the thoughtlessness of this individual.  No thought given to people around them !
 >:( Thanks again....


Edited to correct smiley code
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: Editor on July 23, 2014, 07:50:21 am
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: BrookyP on July 23, 2014, 01:35:35 pm
so basically its unenforceable to one off incidents which are the major problem.


They should be banned in my opinion-I cant see any reason why anyone would need to light one when its so easy to recycle.


we had someone burning plastic the other night in mimm/calder area. Just unbelievable.


hey ho nothing will change. ::)
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: BrookyP on July 30, 2014, 06:09:10 pm
Bonfire mimms calder shrublands area for last 3 days.


on the off chance if you know whos it is can you ask them to put it out.


smell like a builders fire as wood/plastic/paper all in the air


Guys maybe think about having a fire on a windy day when the weather is manky and all the windows are closed


 :icon_scratch:


BP
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: MikeL on August 24, 2016, 07:50:37 am
One of the hottest nights of the year. Absolutely no wind. Everyone'sbedroom  windows open. Perfect time for a bonfire!

There is a moron down westlands drive currently filling everyone's house with smoke.  Have they no common decency?
Title: Re: Garden bonfires and burning commercial trade (building) waste
Post by: Editor on August 02, 2017, 10:01:23 am
If you notice builders burning bonfires in the neighbourhood, and you suspect it's commercial trade waste, WHBC's environment team are quick off the mark to investigate. It's easy to log a call. Once you do they send an inspector out to have a word with the builders. They also write to the owners of the property.

http://www.welhat.gov.uk/neighbourhood/bonfires (http://www.welhat.gov.uk/neighbourhood/bonfires)

http://www.welhat.gov.uk/CHttpHandler.ashx?id=1482&p=0