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Re: Housing, planning, and development in North Mymms
« Reply #1350 on: October 07, 2015, 08:13:47 am »
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Re: Housing, planning, and development in North Mymms
« Reply #1351 on: October 07, 2015, 01:30:57 pm »
Depends on the definition of ' local ' really David. In Brookmans Park, the part of Welwyn-Hatfield that the Bullingdon Boys and their ' one Nation' (sic.) Conservatism represent the ' Bank Of Mum and Dad' is well represented. A generalisation but also a truism ; young people obtaining a deposit for their first home will  not be such a wide scale problem. I'd argue in other parts of our Borough the idea of ever saving a deposit to buy a home is just a fantasy. So if you can't afford to buy and their is no social housing to rent what do you ?
 

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Re: Housing, planning, and development in North Mymms
« Reply #1352 on: October 08, 2015, 04:48:47 pm »
What makes me laugh is reading posts on here moaning about future building on Green Belt Land etc etc.
Most of Brookmans Park is built on what would be nowadays classified as Green Belt Land.
Under present planning rules, Brookmans Park would not have been developed or even exist nowadays.
IMO - building on Green Belt Land is OK if controlled and if infrastructure is in place and/or accounted for.
 

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Re: Housing, planning, and development in North Mymms
« Reply #1353 on: October 11, 2015, 07:14:08 am »
I've managed to fix the pdf insertion issue, so here is the latest Local Plan newsletter embedded below.

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Re: Housing, planning, and development in North Mymms
« Reply #1354 on: October 13, 2015, 08:50:14 pm »
Bedlam, I so agree. The Green Belt is important and should be valued, but it can not be sacrosanct. We need new houses and everyone, including us, need to take our share.
 

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Re: Housing, planning, and development in North Mymms
« Reply #1355 on: October 14, 2015, 09:20:13 am »
Attached in our letter in todays W H Times about the drop in sessions recently announced.


We feel these are inadequate as explained in our letter
 

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Re: Housing, planning, and development in North Mymms
« Reply #1356 on: October 20, 2015, 03:35:00 pm »
Hi


Hope to see many of you today at the drop in session at the Hatfield Hub
 

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Re: Housing, planning, and development in North Mymms
« Reply #1357 on: October 22, 2015, 04:21:59 pm »
Good news. The council will be holding a meeting of the Royal Vet College sites  for the Local plan on 2 November. A must attend event. Details in the attachments

<a href="http://www.brookmans.com/pdfs/2015.11.02_Agenda.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.brookmans.com/pdfs/2015.11.02_Agenda.pdf</a>

<a href="http://www.brookmans.com/pdfs/2015.11.02_pack.pdf " target="_blank">http://www.brookmans.com/pdfs/2015.11.02_pack.pdf </a>
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Re: Housing, planning, and development in North Mymms
« Reply #1358 on: October 22, 2015, 05:23:28 pm »
The council will be holding a meeting of the Royal Vet College sites  for the Local plan on 2 November
A must attend event

Hi Leader, thanks for sharing. I have edited your post to embed to two pdfs in order to save people clicking. David
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« Reply #1359 on: November 07, 2015, 05:37:32 am »

Local plan

A reminder about the Councils drop in session next week for those who could not attend the last one in Hatfield. It takes place  on Wednesday 11th November at Focolare Centre for Unity @69 Parkway Welwyn Garden City 1600 to19.30
 

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Re: Housing, planning, and development in North Mymms
« Reply #1360 on: November 11, 2015, 04:21:52 pm »





The next Council meeting is as follows where part of the meeting will review the progress of the Local Plan. New figures for the number of dwellings required are included in the agenda items. Details are in the information and links below.


19/11/2015  7:30pmCypress RoomSalvation House2 Sterling CourtMundellsWelwyn Garden CityAL7 1FT


 Agenda [33KB] Public Report Pack [8MB]
 

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Re: Housing, planning, and development in North Mymms
« Reply #1361 on: November 23, 2015, 07:00:12 am »
The local green belt society says 20 new building sites have been proposed locally.
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Re: Housing, planning, and development in North Mymms
« Reply #1362 on: December 01, 2015, 09:06:54 am »
The next Council CHPP meeting is on Thursday 17th December.


 We will detail the agenda and other information nearer the time on this site
 

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Re: Housing, planning, and development in North Mymms
« Reply #1363 on: December 08, 2015, 04:55:40 pm »
The council have just announced that the next  CHPP meeting will now be held on 16th December at the same time and venue as previously announced
 

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Re: Housing, planning, and development in North Mymms
« Reply #1364 on: December 20, 2015, 08:09:55 am »
Next year will be a busy one. Local residents have to write in again to the Council during the  new Consultation period in the summer when the revised Local Plan will be published.


We hope the Council take our views seriously and adjust the Local Plan taking on board the local residents wishes.After all that is supposed to be the reason for Consultation periods!



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« Reply #1365 on: January 15, 2016, 02:25:43 pm »
Hope everyone had a good Christmas and New Year


The next  Council meeting of the CHPP is on the 21st January.


Having looked at the agenda there is nothing being reviewed on the Local Plan at this meeting.
 

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« Reply #1366 on: February 10, 2016, 01:40:26 pm »
An interesting article in todays local paper
 

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« Reply #1367 on: February 10, 2016, 03:00:32 pm »



The next Council Planning meeting is to be held on 18 February 2016 at 7.30pm
The Cypress Room
Salvation House
2 Sterling Court
Mundells
Welwyn Garden City


This will address some issues relevant to the Local Plan

Little Heath Action Group will be attending


The agenda and Public Report pack are on the council website under Council meetings.

The report pack is around 150 pages long!
 

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« Reply #1368 on: March 02, 2016, 04:54:15 pm »
The next Council  Planning meeting is scheduled for 17 March unless the Council change it


We will let you know whats on the agenda and its relevance to the Local Plan nearer the time
 

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« Reply #1369 on: March 04, 2016, 10:42:59 pm »
Some fantastic news just appeared on North Mymms District Green Belt Society website - http://www.greenbeltsociety.org.uk/index.html

BREAKING NEWS

LOCAL PLAN - ANNOUNCEMENT
We are pleased to note that many of the new and amended Green Belt sites that were reported to the Welwyn Hatfield Cabinet Housing Planning Panel on 25 June 2015 and 14 August 2015 now appear to have failed the first SHLAA (Strategic Housing Land Availability Assessment) and will not be taken forward.

1)   BrP21 Great North Road / Woodside Lane Brookmans Park

2)   BrP22 45/47 Kentish Lane Brookmans Park

3)   BrP23 Adjacent 12-14 Bulls Lane Brookmans Park

4)   BrP24 White Lodge Farm, Bulls Lane Brookmans Park

5)   BrP25 Old Bell Bar Nursery, Bulls Lane Brookmans Park

6)   BrP26 Meadow Croft, Great North Road Brookmans Park

7)   BrP27 Land spanning New Cottages Lane Brookmans Park

8     BrP28 Bell Lane Gospel Hall Brookmans Park

9)    BrP29 Land south of Bulls Lane Brookmans Park

10)   BrP30 rear of 10-18 Mymms Drive Brookmans Park

11)   LHe3 Swanley Park, Swanley Bar

12)   WeG16 North of Bulls Lane Welham Green
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« Reply #1370 on: March 04, 2016, 11:16:04 pm »
Current newsletter from the North Mymms District Greenbelt Society with details of their AGM on Monday 21 March 2016 at the United Reformed Church, Brookmans Park at 8pm.


The speaker will be Jed Griffiths who will provide an expert view of the Local Plan and will be taking questions.





 

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« Reply #1371 on: March 09, 2016, 10:55:39 am »
Just received by email, the March 2016 edition of the local plan news.

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« Reply #1372 on: March 09, 2016, 11:28:49 am »
Some fantastic news just appeared on North Mymms District Green Belt Society website - http://www.greenbeltsociety.org.uk/index.html

BREAKING NEWS

LOCAL PLAN - ANNOUNCEMENT
We are pleased to note that many of the new and amended Green Belt sites that were reported to the Welwyn Hatfield Cabinet Housing Planning Panel on 25 June 2015 and 14 August 2015 now appear to have failed the first SHLAA (Strategic Housing Land Availability Assessment) and will not be taken forward.

1)   BrP21 Great North Road / Woodside Lane Brookmans Park

2)   BrP22 45/47 Kentish Lane Brookmans Park

3)   BrP23 Adjacent 12-14 Bulls Lane Brookmans Park

4)   BrP24 White Lodge Farm, Bulls Lane Brookmans Park

5)   BrP25 Old Bell Bar Nursery, Bulls Lane Brookmans Park

6)   BrP26 Meadow Croft, Great North Road Brookmans Park

7)   BrP27 Land spanning New Cottages Lane Brookmans Park

8     BrP28 Bell Lane Gospel Hall Brookmans Park

9)    BrP29 Land south of Bulls Lane Brookmans Park

10)   BrP30 rear of 10-18 Mymms Drive Brookmans Park

11)   LHe3 Swanley Park, Swanley Bar

12)   WeG16 North of Bulls Lane Welham Green


Epiphany, how is this exactly ‘fantastic news’ ? We have housing crises never before seen, our children can no longer afford to buy their own home and can barely afford to rent.  The detrimental impact this is having and will continue to have on the younger generation and their family’s wellbeing is enormous but you and the Greenbelt supporters alike seem to be oblivious to this.

Over the past fifteen years the country has been experiencing a baby boom and coupled to this we have half a million people settling into this country each year. The country needs to seriously plan for this and this will have to include releasing some land for development within the Greenbelt.  Remember, Bookman’s Park and surrounding villages not so long ago were mostly fields / woodland.
 

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« Reply #1373 on: March 09, 2016, 12:34:16 pm »

Epiphany, how is this exactly ‘fantastic news’ ? We have housing crises never before seen, our children can no longer afford to buy their own home and can barely afford to rent.  The detrimental impact this is having and will continue to have on the younger generation and their family’s wellbeing is enormous but you and the Greenbelt supporters alike seem to be oblivious to this.

Over the past fifteen years the country has been experiencing a baby boom and coupled to this we have half a million people settling into this country each year. The country needs to seriously plan for this and this will have to include releasing some land for development within the Greenbelt.  Remember, Bookman’s Park and surrounding villages not so long ago were mostly fields / woodland.


memsal 9, everywhere in the UK was woodland once - I do not understand your point.

I agree that there is a housing crisis and also agree that the country seriously needs to plan for this but not that we "will have to include releasing some land for development within the Green Belt".

Unfortunately the Government, rather than seriously addressing this issue and planning for the future by building new sustainable communities complete with all necessary infrastructure on non Green Belt land such as Milton Keynes, have passed the buck to Local Authorities, who through their Local Plans are having to plan ad hoc in often unsustainable locations including in the Green Belt.

You are mistaken if you think building a few hundred houses around Brookmans Park is going to produce affordable houses for your children. Why do you think developers are falling over themselves to build here? - it is because this is a desirable area and property prices are high, meaning bigger profits.

One of the reasons that this is a desirable area, IS the surrounding Green Belt which has successfully prevented Brookmans Park from becoming part of Potters Bar and Welham Green for many years.

Remember, only 13% of England is Green Belt. That leaves plenty of non Green Belt land available to build on.

 
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« Reply #1374 on: March 09, 2016, 08:40:16 pm »


Well said memsal9.


To say that building a few hundred homes around Brookmans Park will not help the younger generation to afford a home is wholly misleading.  Price is a product of supply and demand.  The Council will deliver over 10,000 new homes over the next 20 years, to be located throughout the whole borough.  That will help the young people in the borough to buy a home.  Brookmans Park should accept its fair share of that burden.
 

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« Reply #1375 on: March 09, 2016, 11:11:59 pm »

Epiphany, how is this exactly ‘fantastic news’ ? We have housing crises never before seen, our children can no longer afford to buy their own home and can barely afford to rent.  The detrimental impact this is having and will continue to have on the younger generation and their family’s wellbeing is enormous but you and the Greenbelt supporters alike seem to be oblivious to this.

Over the past fifteen years the country has been experiencing a baby boom and coupled to this we have half a million people settling into this country each year. The country needs to seriously plan for this and this will have to include releasing some land for development within the Greenbelt.  Remember, Bookman’s Park and surrounding villages not so long ago were mostly fields / woodland.


memsal 9, everywhere in the UK was woodland once - I do not understand your point.

I agree that there is a housing crisis and also agree that the country seriously needs to plan for this but not that we "will have to include releasing some land for development within the Green Belt".

Unfortunately the Government, rather than seriously addressing this issue and planning for the future by building new sustainable communities complete with all necessary infrastructure on non Green Belt land such as Milton Keynes, have passed the buck to Local Authorities, who through their Local Plans are having to plan ad hoc in often unsustainable locations including in the Green Belt.

You are mistaken if you think building a few hundred houses around Brookmans Park is going to produce affordable houses for your children. Why do you think developers are falling over themselves to build here? - it is because this is a desirable area and property prices are high, meaning bigger profits.

One of the reasons that this is a desirable area, IS the surrounding Green Belt which has successfully prevented Brookmans Park from becoming part of Potters Bar and Welham Green for many years.

Remember, only 13% of England is Green Belt. That leaves plenty of non Green Belt land available to build on.


Epiphany, the point that I was making was that you are probably benefiting from living within an area which was once a Greenfield (probably prior to the creation of the greenbelt) but you would prefer for others not to benefit from similar developments. Your views can therefore be described as nothing short of NIMBYISM.

I agree the answer does not simply lie with releasing Greenbelt land but a combined approach.  If we look at the plots submitted for consultation over the past few years in and around BP the proposed units run into thousands and a percentage could be conditioned by the Council to be of ‘affordable’ stock sold only to those for use as their primary home and not for rent (within say the first five years post purchase).  Where there’s a will there’s a way.
 

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« Reply #1376 on: March 10, 2016, 09:27:07 am »


Epiphany, the point that I was making was that you are probably benefiting from living within an area which was once a Greenfield (probably prior to the creation of the greenbelt) but you would prefer for others not to benefit from similar developments. Your views can therefore be described as nothing short of NIMBYISM.

I agree the answer does not simply lie with releasing Greenbelt land but a combined approach.  If we look at the plots submitted for consultation over the past few years in and around BP the proposed units run into thousands and a percentage could be conditioned by the Council to be of ‘affordable’ stock sold only to those for use as their primary home and not for rent (within say the first five years post purchase).  Where there’s a will there’s a way.


memsal 9, I still fail to understand the point you are attempting to make. Yes, I do live in an area that was once Greenfield and is now Green Belt.


I have not said that I am opposed to building on Greenfield sites which equally once developed, could benefit from the protection of a Green Belt.


 I have already stated that 87% of England is not Green Belt and is available to build on. Why you consider that this approach is not wanting others "to benefit from similar developments" I do not know. What I am advocating is identical!










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« Reply #1377 on: March 10, 2016, 10:06:27 pm »
epiphany, you fail to recognise that the original purpose of the green belt, back in 1947, was to stop London expanding outwards.  That’s why it’s a ring around London called “The Metropolitan Green Belt”.  You can see the success of that policy when you drive up the A1 through open countryside from Mill Hill to Borehamwood.  You are now seeking to use the green belt status of the land in Welwyn Hatfield (over 90% of the borough is in the green belt) in order to prevent any new homes being built in Brookmans Park.
 
 As the population of the UK has grown by more than 10 million during the past 50 years and is predicted to grow by another 10 million over the next 25 years, surely you can see the “need” for new homes?  Due to economic circumstances, the southeast is more attractive than many other areas of the UK.  Hence the greater burden on the southeast.
 
 Welwyn Hatfield Council has said that it needs to build at least 10,000 new homes.  Not all of these new homes would be in the green belt.  In fact, the Council has estimated that less than 2% of the green belt in the borough would be developed for new homes, most of that being around Welwyn Garden City and Hatfield.
 
 In order to preserve the wider countryside for the benefit of all, sites which are already close to existing urban areas are the most suitable for expansion.  Towns and villages with schools, shops, trains and bus services will be the most favourable for new homes.  That includes Brookmans Park.
 
 memsal9 is making a fair point and fair people will understand.
 

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« Reply #1378 on: March 10, 2016, 11:28:01 pm »

RuralFox, Lets get the facts straight -

The purposes of the Green Belt are clearly stated in para 80 of the NPPF (National Planning Policy Framework).

1) To check the unrestricted sprawl of large built-up areas

2) To prevent neighbouring towns merging into one another

3) To assist in safeguarding the countryside from encroachment

4) To preserve the setting and special character of historic towns

5) To assist in urban regeneration, by encouraging the recycling of derelict and other urban land.

Welwyn Hatfield Council has not stated that it needs to build at least 10,000 homes - the figure is actually higher, between 12,616 and 13,433.

However, they have yet to announce their housing target that will be set in the Local Plan after taking into account constraints such as infrastructure and the Green Belt.

We will have to wait and see what that figure is.

There are many brown field (previously developed) sites in Welwyn Hatfield (including in the Green Belt) that could be developed (approx 5000)

Many offices are now being converted to residential in urban areas. These factors ease the pressure to build on the Green Belt.

You ask if I see the need for new homes yet I have already clearly stated that I do. You state that the southeast is more attractive due to economic reasons, large areas of the southeast are not in the Green Belt.










 
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« Reply #1379 on: March 11, 2016, 04:29:33 pm »
The Planning meeting for the Council is going ahead on 17th March as planned .Most of the discussion will be about all the local parking schemes being introduced


The meeting will be at 07.30pm at the usual venue
 

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