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Re: Housing, planning, and development in North Mymms
« Reply #1230 on: March 04, 2015, 09:33:23 pm »
Template letters for the various sites are now available from the BPRA website at:

http://www.brookmansparkra.org/2015/03/planning-consultation-response-letters.html

and will also be available in printed form at this Saturday's BPRA drop-in advice session at the Brookmans, for those who may need help responding to the consultation.
 

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Re: Housing, planning, and development in North Mymms
« Reply #1231 on: March 04, 2015, 10:55:22 pm »
Template letters for the various sites are now available from the BPRA website at:

http://www.brookmansparkra.org/2015/03/planning-consultation-response-letters.html

and will also be available in printed form at this Saturday's BPRA drop-in advice session at the Brookmans, for those who may need help responding to the consultation.


Excellent template letters, well done!  However, you have listed objection points for BrP6 that are just as applicable for BrP4, but have failed to include them.

I would be grateful if you would rectify this and add the following to the BrP4 letter.

* The land is in agricultural use and should be kept for such
* Lies within 10km of a SAC
* Landscape is assessed as having high sensitivity
* Flood Zone 3 along southern boundary
* Site is within an inner ground source protection zone
* Mitigation may be necessary to minimise any risk of pollution
* Would require footpath improvements along the length of the site
* Within 250m of Potterells Wood Wildlife site (WS145)
* The proximity of the railway means there is a potential for noise pollution which may need to be mitigated
* There is no current infrastructure, including flood water management, to support the number of new dwellings proposed. Putting this in would increase build cost and increase the sale price - which defeats the object of affordable homes.

Thank you in anticipation. NB The wildlife site that BrP4 is adjacent to is WS144 NOT WS14
 

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Re: Housing, planning, and development in North Mymms
« Reply #1232 on: March 04, 2015, 11:14:26 pm »
One of the comments made to me personally last night at the council meeting was that major road and railway lines marking the edge of the green belt are seen as incredibly strong green belt boundaries which are rarely - if ever - moved. Does anyone know if this is in writing anywhere or have any proof where this has been applied in the past? If true it would be a major blow to the chances of some sites being used (including BrP4)
James Bentall, Brookmans Park, Herts.
I post in a personal capacity and not on behalf of North Mymms Parish Council
 

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Re: Housing, planning, and development in North Mymms
« Reply #1233 on: March 04, 2015, 11:25:36 pm »
One of the comments made to me personally last night at the council meeting was that major road and railway lines marking the edge of the green belt are seen as incredibly strong green belt boundaries which are rarely - if ever - moved. Does anyone know if this is in writing anywhere or have any proof where this has been applied in the past? If true it would be a major blow to the chances of some sites being used (including BrP4)

Welwyn Hatfield Green Belt Review Stage 2 Final Report October 2014

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http://www.welhat.gov.uk/CHttpHandler.ashx?id=9484&p=0
 

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Re: Housing, planning, and development in North Mymms
« Reply #1234 on: March 04, 2015, 11:29:55 pm »
Thank you epiphany
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Re: Housing, planning, and development in North Mymms
« Reply #1235 on: March 05, 2015, 06:49:09 am »
For those still confused by code for the sites, here is a short pull-together to help.

Where will the new houses be built?
« Last Edit: March 06, 2015, 02:06:04 pm by Editor »
The Brookmans Park Newsletter has been supporting the village and our local community since 1998 by providing free, interactive tools for all to use.
 

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Re: Housing, planning, and development in North Mymms
« Reply #1236 on: March 05, 2015, 10:05:43 am »
Excellent template letters, well done!  However, you have listed objection points for BrP6 that are just as applicable for BrP4, but have failed to include them.

I would be grateful if you would rectify this and add the following to the BrP4 letter.

* The land is in agricultural use and should be kept for such
* Lies within 10km of a SAC
* Landscape is assessed as having high sensitivity
* Flood Zone 3 along southern boundary
* Site is within an inner ground source protection zone
* Mitigation may be necessary to minimise any risk of pollution
* Would require footpath improvements along the length of the site
* Within 250m of Potterells Wood Wildlife site (WS145)
* The proximity of the railway means there is a potential for noise pollution which may need to be mitigated
* There is no current infrastructure, including flood water management, to support the number of new dwellings proposed. Putting this in would increase build cost and increase the sale price - which defeats the object of affordable homes.

Thank you in anticipation. NB The wildlife site that BrP4 is adjacent to is WS144 NOT WS14

Doing this today as requested. As a general comment, all the downloadable letters can be altered and should be personalised.
 

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Re: Housing, planning, and development in North Mymms
« Reply #1237 on: March 05, 2015, 10:37:35 am »
Please don't forget to include a response in the Welwyn Hatfield Local Plan consultation about the need to keep the New Barnfield site in the Green Belt, and not to alter the Green Belt boundary.

This is an Action you can take now, to ensure that there is never an  incinerator or other unacceptable waste management development  at New Barnfield

Please respond concerning the New Barnfield site, asking for it to stay in the Green Belt, and for the Green Belt boundary not to be altered to take it out of the Green Belt.
The Herts County Council Waste Sites Allocations Plan suggests that local councils  take any sites allocated for waste management in that Plan (including New Barnfield) out of the Green Belt at their next review of the Green Belt, but we are asking Welwyn Hatfield Borough Council not to do this at New Barnfield.

The consultation ends March 19th 2015
You can respond on-line www.welhat.gov.uk/localplan
Or by email to localplan@welhat.gov.uk
Or write to Planning Policy, Welwyn Hatfield Borough Council, Council Offices, the Campus, Welwyn Garden City, AL8 6AE.
If you have already responded on other issues, please send an additional response.

Any responses should make it clear that:
This response is to 5. CS4 “Green Belt Boundaries and Safeguarded Land”, paras 5.9 and 5.10, of the draft Local Plan and relates specifically to the New Barnfield site.
You could make these points:
    I/we object to the suggestion that the Green Belt should be reviewed and/or altered in this area.
    The site makes a significant contribution to the four Green Belt purposes identified by WHBC in the current review
    The site contributes to the existing settlement patterns of Hatfield and Welham Green.
    The site contributes to the setting of Hatfield House.
    The Green Belt in this area is a ‘green lung’ contributing to environmental and social sustainability. 
    Alteration of the Green Belt would be contrary to Government Policy and to recent Ministerial Statements.
     WHBC’s duty to co-operate (with HCC) is not a duty to agree.
    Paragraph 89 of the NPPF allows for development in the Green Belt under certain circumstances.
    South Way currently provides a strong defensible Green Belt boundary. 
    Redefining the Green Belt boundary would result in an irregular shaped boundary with no strong features.
                                             
 

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Re: Housing, planning, and development in North Mymms
« Reply #1238 on: March 05, 2015, 11:05:23 am »


Doing this today as requested. As a general comment, all the downloadable letters can be altered and should be personalised.


Thank you Mermaid
 

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Re: Housing, planning, and development in North Mymms
« Reply #1239 on: March 05, 2015, 03:20:50 pm »
Please don't forget to include a response in the Welwyn Hatfield Local Plan consultation about the need to keep the New Barnfield site in the Green Belt, and not to alter the Green Belt boundary.
This is an Action you can take now, to ensure that there is never an  incinerator or other unacceptable waste management development  at New Barnfield
If you have already responded on other issues, please send an additional response. Any responses should make it clear that:
This response is to 5. CS4 “Green Belt Boundaries and Safeguarded Land”, paras 5.9 and 5.10, of the draft Local Plan and relates specifically to the New Barnfield site.
Thank you Cathy, a template letter will be put up on the BPRA website and we will also have copies available at our drop-in advice session at the Brookmans this Saturday 7th March 9.00am - 3.30pm.
 

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Re: Housing, planning, and development in North Mymms
« Reply #1240 on: March 05, 2015, 03:57:19 pm »
Everyone attending the Parish Council meeting tonight should make sure that the Parish Council object to Welham Green just being used by the WHCouncil as a Council Estate to avoid having social (council) houses in Brookmans Park.
 

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Re: Housing, planning, and development in North Mymms
« Reply #1241 on: March 06, 2015, 01:11:56 pm »
 BROOKMANS PARK RESIDENTS ASSOCIATION
DO YOU NEED HELP WITH THE WHBC LOCAL PLAN CONSULTATION?
DROP IN ADVICE DAY SATURDAY 7TH MARCH
9.00AM – 3.30PM AT THE BROOKMANS

We will be providing:
•           General advice on how to respond
•           Pre-formatted letters including good planning reasons for each site.
•           Access to the internet to enable online responses
•           A drop-off point for your letters, which we will hand deliver to the council before the 19th March
 
There is more information available on the BPRA website
www.brookmansparkra.org
 
 

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Re: Housing, planning, and development in North Mymms
« Reply #1242 on: March 06, 2015, 01:40:01 pm »
Everyone attending the Parish Council meeting tonight should make sure that the Parish Council object to Welham Green just being used by the WHCouncil as a Council Estate to avoid having social (council) houses in Brookmans Park.

Whats wrong with having council houses in Brookmans Park? BP
 

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Re: Housing, planning, and development in North Mymms
« Reply #1243 on: March 06, 2015, 02:11:14 pm »
nothing is wrong with having council houses in brookmans park.  in fact, nothing is wrong with having council houses in any village or town.  Everyone, regardless of their financial status, deserves a home to live in.  but its a bit of a nimby thing, unfortunately.
 

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Re: Housing, planning, and development in North Mymms
« Reply #1244 on: March 06, 2015, 02:24:42 pm »
Objections to development around Brookmans Park, centre around the fact that the land identified so far is Green Belt. In addition, there are sound planning reasons why many, if not all of the sites, shouldn't be used.

WHBC is just consulting on sites at the moment, not the type of housing which might go on those sites. That will come later. Current estimates of the number of dwellings set against each site, are just that, estimates.
 

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Re: Housing, planning, and development in North Mymms
« Reply #1245 on: March 06, 2015, 05:14:33 pm »
 ;D
Well said Mermaid , very positive remark, unlike Motherchuck who seems to have a gripe!!
 

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Re: Housing, planning, and development in North Mymms
« Reply #1246 on: March 06, 2015, 06:37:33 pm »
Please pay attention before making silly snipes.

I didn't say there was anything wrong with having council houses in Brookmans Park.

I quite clearly was making the point that it is the Council that says there are no favourable sites for new houses in BPark ( ok 15 but doubt will be built) but that every Green Belt site at Welham Green is apparently favourable, which could mean 140 council houses. 35% of 400 but BPark residents will be saved to vote again.
 

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« Reply #1247 on: March 06, 2015, 09:11:48 pm »
 ;D
I pay attention, but perhaps you could have phrased things a little better.
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Re: Housing, planning, and development in North Mymms
« Reply #1248 on: March 10, 2015, 05:53:11 am »
Thanks to everyone who took the trouble to attend the meeting at Little Heath Church last week. It was well attended and we had the chance to express our feelings to the Council.






More news in due course!
 

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Re: Housing, planning, and development in North Mymms
« Reply #1249 on: March 10, 2015, 09:37:14 am »
Good to see so many people at our drop-in advice day on Saturday, and our thanks to the Brookmans for letting us use their room - we were kept very busy  ;)

A reminder that template letters are available for download and personalisation on our website http://www.brookmansparkra.org/  where you will also find the letter requesting to keep New Barnfield in the Green Belt.

If you wish to email the BPRA, you can do so on brookmansparkresidentsassoc(@)gmail(dot)com
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« Reply #1250 on: March 12, 2015, 06:07:01 am »
Our local borough Councillors have sent out a survey on peoples views.


You have a chance to register your views on the Green Belt on this survey.We have already suggested the Builders Arms car park site should be allowed as it is not on green belt land but no others.
 

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« Reply #1251 on: March 12, 2015, 07:42:29 am »
This is in stark contrast to the Welham Green Councillors survey, which judging by the complete absence of any reference to the Local Plan or the Green Belt, they obviously do not seem to consider these as issues at all  ???
 

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« Reply #1252 on: March 12, 2015, 01:19:31 pm »
Hi Leader, where can I find the survey you say the borough council has sent out on peoples views on the Green Belt ?
 

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« Reply #1253 on: March 12, 2015, 02:52:32 pm »
Hi


 It should be posted through your door at some time soon
 

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Re: Housing, planning, and development in North Mymms
« Reply #1254 on: March 13, 2015, 01:55:32 pm »
Before anyone sends a template letter objecting to some new houses being built at Brookmans Park have a look at Local Plan Consultation Part 2 Section 11, 'Gypsy and Traveller sites.'

Response from Councillor Duncan Bell commenting on Gypsy and Traveller sites at Hatfield:

'It would actually make for more sense to provide any additional Gypsy and Traveller sites at locations where large scale development is NOT envisaged.

Gypsy and Traveller sites and family housing do not easily mix.

We should probably be looking at some of those 'Finely Balanced' or 'Less Favourable' sites away from the two main towns to absorb all additional Gypsy and Traveller sites.'

Then later:

'Greater use should be made of sites elsewhere in the borough that are avoiding growth.' 

Anyone agree with him ?

Maybe some nice new houses in County Hertfordshire might not be so bad after all.
 

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Re: Housing, planning, and development in North Mymms
« Reply #1255 on: March 13, 2015, 02:19:34 pm »
Before anyone sends a template letter objecting to some new houses being built at Brookmans Park have a look at Local Plan Consultation Part 2 Section 11, 'Gypsy and Traveller sites.'

The BPRA template letters are not objecting to new houses being built at Brookmans Park - after all, we do have some new houses being built at this very moment on one of the sites designated 'more favourable'. Our template letters merely agree with the council's current assessment of sites as being 'less favourable' for development based on sound planning reasons as well as the fact that they are in Green Belt.

Edited to fix quote box.
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« Reply #1256 on: March 13, 2015, 03:08:37 pm »
I have difficulty following your view that the BPRA template letters are not objecting to new houses at Brookmans Park when your letters state :

'In addition development should NEVER be allowed on the site'

The site being built is not in the Green Belt and it is just confusing people calling it 'more favourable'.
It is just knock down some homes and replace them with a few more within the village boundary.

I would still like to hear if anyone agrees with Councillor Duncan Bell that Brookmans Park could be a good
place for Gypsy and Traveller sites.
 

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« Reply #1257 on: March 13, 2015, 03:13:08 pm »
The site being built is not in the Green Belt and it is just confusing people calling it 'more favourable'.

Building more houses on brownfield rather than green belt land definitely makes it more favourable for me. What's the problem with that?
James Bentall, Brookmans Park, Herts.
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« Reply #1258 on: March 13, 2015, 03:16:18 pm »
Nothing wrong with that.

Does nobody have a view on Councillor Duncan Bell suggesting Brookmans Park is a suitable place for a Gypsy and Traveller site ?
 

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« Reply #1259 on: March 13, 2015, 03:19:40 pm »
The site being built is not in the Green Belt and it is just confusing people calling it 'more favourable'.
It is just knock down some homes and replace them with a few more within the village boundary.

The houses being built at the moment are all new dwellings. I think you are confusing them with the small houses on the other side which have been demolished and which will be replaced. They are two separate sites.

It is right that the council starts with building homes on land which isn't in the Green Belt. At the Parish Council meeting we learned that WHBC has identified brownfield enough for 5000 new homes.
 

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