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Re: Housing, planning, and development in North Mymms
« Reply #1050 on: November 26, 2014, 11:50:31 am »
Interesting stats in this infographic that just popped up on Twitter. Does anyone have any stats for Welwyn Hatfield te using brownfield land for housing?

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Re: Housing, planning, and development in North Mymms
« Reply #1051 on: November 26, 2014, 03:21:43 pm »
Three local councils are currently working on their Local Plans.  Their proposals for new housing numbers to cover the period to 2031 are as follows:
  • North Herts: 10,700
  • East Herts: 15,000
  • Welwyn Hatfield: 12,500

In each case green belt reviews have been undertaken and proposals put forward to remove land from the Green Belt which surrounds present settlements.  The extent of Green Belt in North Herts, East Herts and Welwyn Hatfield can be seen at http://www.north-herts.gov.uk/06.map_2_-_extent_of_green_belt.pdf

<a href="http://www.north-herts.gov.uk/06.map_2_-_extent_of_green_belt.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.north-herts.gov.uk/06.map_2_-_extent_of_green_belt.pdf</a>

My question is, why are these three councils not getting together to plan for new sustainable settlements, for example garden cities, in areas that a) do not expand current settlements in piecemeal ways; detract from their character and cause pressure on existing infrastructure b) do not involve removing land from the Green Belt which is fundamental to the aim of preventing urban sprawl by keeping land permanently open?

Of course, if this was to be proposed, people living in what is currently open countryside might object ...

In 2008, the University of Hertfordshire held a conference entitled “How should the County grow?”  A reference copy of the published booklet is available at Welwyn Garden City library and a draft copy can be viewed at http://www.herts.ac.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0020/10289/herts-charrette-guide-to-growth_02-12-2008.pdf   “There is at least one such site available in the County ... a New town of 100,000-140,000 dwellings could absorb the growth of Hertfordshire well into the mid-century.” (page 24)

More recently, the University held a seminar, “How to create a new Garden City”.  This paper was presented at the seminar -http://www.policyexchange.org.uk/images/WolfsonPrize2014/20140827%20parham%20wolfson%20prize%202014%20submission.pdf

<a href="http://www.policyexchange.org.uk/images/WolfsonPrize2014/20140827%20parham%20wolfson%20prize%202014%20submission.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.policyexchange.org.uk/images/WolfsonPrize2014/20140827%20parham%20wolfson%20prize%202014%20submission.pdf</a>

Is this the way forward?

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Re: Housing, planning, and development in North Mymms
« Reply #1052 on: November 26, 2014, 03:41:41 pm »
My question is, why are these three councils not getting together to plan for new sustainable settlements, for example garden cities, in areas that a) do not expand current settlements in piecemeal ways; detract from their character and cause pressure on existing infrastructure b) do not involve removing land from the Green Belt which is fundamental to the aim of preventing urban sprawl by keeping land permanently open?

It's an interesting question, and one which the BPRA has already posed to WHBC! As yet, we have not received a satisfactory answer.

You may be interested in a petition which the NMDGBS has a link to on their website 'Say No to Sprawl', which mentions a New Town or a new Garden City for Welwyn Hatfield. Please be aware though that this is a Liberal Democrat petition and you may not wish to supply your email address.

http://signme.org.uk/1019
 

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Re: Housing, planning, and development in North Mymms
« Reply #1053 on: November 26, 2014, 03:49:50 pm »
I Think that The WHDC had a agreement once with HACKNEY Borough Council, regarding overflow of Tenants from Hackney. I wonder if
someone could reify this. Regarding the building of approx. 300 houses what percentage would be Social Housing if any??? and who would allocate the property to the chosen tenants?????.  Hope young local people would have a chance should this happen.
 

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Re: Housing, planning, and development in North Mymms
« Reply #1054 on: November 26, 2014, 03:56:31 pm »
The percentage of 'affordable housing' is expected to be 35% in the villages.
 

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Re: Housing, planning, and development in North Mymms
« Reply #1055 on: November 26, 2014, 04:47:08 pm »
Three local councils are currently working on their Local Plans. 



Excellent post Ex Libris.


Don't forget Hertsmere: 4000 and St Albans: 8,720 are also working on their Local Plans.
 

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Re: Housing, planning, and development in North Mymms
« Reply #1056 on: November 27, 2014, 07:14:33 am »
Great to see so many local residents voicing their opinions about the suitability for development of various sites in and around Brookmans Park. The thread has become even busier in the run up to the BPRA public meeting tonight on WHC’s Local Plan at the URC.

Because this site allows people to post anonymously and hide their true identity, some contributions to the debate could be from developers or local politicians with an interest in the final decisions. We are unable to control this, but if an anonymous poster has an interest in a particular site over another it might be helpful to state that interest in order to help residents understand their perspective.

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Re: Housing, planning, and development in North Mymms
« Reply #1057 on: November 28, 2014, 02:22:23 pm »
Unfortunately I was unable to attend the meeting last night.   Were any conclusions reached ?
 

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Re: Housing, planning, and development in North Mymms
« Reply #1058 on: November 28, 2014, 03:04:29 pm »
I have been out today, so haven't managed to update the forum before now.

Last night was very well attended and Paul Zukowskyj gave a very informative slide presentation on the latest draft of WHBC's Local Plan, which he is going to let the BPRA put onto our website, hopefully in the next couple of days.

The point of the meeting was to keep residents informed of the progress of the Local Plan and the timeline that the council is working to, this being:

Dec 11 - the CHPP will present the draft Local Plan
Dec 17 - the CHPP will ratify the draft Local Plan
Early January - the Local Plan will be published for public consultation, and we may have 8 - 12 weeks to respond.

The North Mymms Parish Council, the North Mymms District Green Belt Society, the Brookmans Park Residents Association (and, I believe the Welham Green Residents Association and the Little Heath Action Group) will continue to attend the CHPP meetings. We will all examine the Local Plan in detail when it is finally published and issue statements/guidance/recommendations at that point, for residents to use in the consultation.

We do not yet know which proposed sites will appear in the consultation, but it could be all of those currently under consideration ie BrP1, BrP2, BrP4, BrP6, BrP7, BrP9, BrP10, BrP12, BrP13, BrP14.
 

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Re: Housing, planning, and development in North Mymms
« Reply #1059 on: November 28, 2014, 04:02:59 pm »
Most questions raised were about the suitability/viability of the sites, so I will give a quick precis of those. Note that WHBC has already thought of ways to circumvent most grounds for objections to developing the sites. Note also that full modelling will only take place after the site(s) is/are chosen.

Q     The land floods, so is unsuitable for housing.
A      The council expects the developer to incorporate a drainage system in the new housing development. This could be the underground storm water drainage tank mentioned before.

Q      The roads are not up to taking another possible 300 - 600 cars, and access to many of the sites is minimal - how can Highways afford the changes necessary?
A       Highways has done some modelling, but the full-scale modelling will be done only after the site(s) has/have been chosen in the consultation. WHBC expects the developer to pay for this, and possibly a contribution to the new roads too.

Q      The infrastructure cannot support another 300 plus houses.
A       When the site(s) is/are chosen, the developer will have to demonstrate that they can plan for, and pay for, adequate drainage, water, utilities etc

Q       The schools are not big enough
A        There is almost certainly going to be provision for new schools in developers' plans,

Q       There will not be enough medical provision, Potterells will be overwhelmed.
A        There may be additional provision in developers' plans, and this will be modelled after the site(s) is/are chosen.

Q       Has an Environmental Impact Survey been commissioned.
A       WHBC have already taken into account information from the Environment Agency. More detailed work will be done after the site(s) is/are chosen.

Q        The sites proposed are all Green Belt and the Government has said that it is committed to protecting the Green Belt.
A         The Government has said that there should only be development on the Green Belt 'in exceptional circumstances'. A requirement to build houses to meet 'an objectively assessed housing need', may qualify as 'exceptional circumstances'. WHBC has an 'objectively assessed housing need' of 12,500 new dwellings.

 

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Re: Housing, planning, and development in North Mymms
« Reply #1060 on: December 02, 2014, 01:46:50 pm »
We have formed the Little Heath Action Group to oppose the threat to Green Belt in the Councils Local Plan.We need as many people to object by writing to the Council during the consultation period early next year.We believe beside the unacceptable removal of Green Belt that the local infrastructure cannot support the Plan.We have registered our objection with the Council our  Ward Councillors and Grant Shapps. We have also supported the approach by Brookmans Park and Welham Green  for  the building of a new Garden City in Hertfordshire on non Green belt land.


We are seeking supporters now to maximise  the number of  letters to the Council in the New Year
 

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Re: Housing, planning, and development in North Mymms
« Reply #1061 on: December 02, 2014, 05:03:20 pm »
Hi leader, welcome to the forum. I have tweeted on your behalf. Is the Little Heath Action Group on Twitter or Facebook?

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« Reply #1062 on: December 02, 2014, 05:58:56 pm »
No Not yet but thanks for your prompt
 

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« Reply #1063 on: December 07, 2014, 07:55:59 am »
A group of us met John Dean and Stephen Boulton at their surgery on Saturday. We spent 40 minutes discussing our major objections to the  proposed  building  on Green Belt land in Little Heath and Brookmans Park .It is very important that residents write to the Council with their objections during the consultation period  in January /February 2015 to strongly register their protests.
 

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« Reply #1064 on: December 09, 2014, 11:39:08 am »

Our campaign together with other resident organisations has sent a clear message to the Council. They have published the following in their latest information which shows they will now take on board the option of a new  Garden City. We must keep supporting this approach. We have also asked Grant Shapps to support this

Letter to Secretary of State for Communities and Local Government
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It is clear from the evidence that making provision for the need of housing will
result in the loss of land in the Green Belt which performs a Green Belt purpose
and will require significant infrastructure provision. Furthermore no opportunities
have been identified to meet longer term needs. To accompany the consultation
it is proposed to send a letter to the Secretary of State for Communities and
Local Government requesting that the Government give serious consideration to
taking a proactive role in bringing forward new garden cities as part of its strategy
to increase the supply of housing to reduce the pressure on the pressure on
those areas tightly constrained by the Green Belt. This attached as Appendix D.
 

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« Reply #1065 on: December 09, 2014, 04:28:23 pm »
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« Reply #1066 on: December 10, 2014, 11:32:08 am »
We are going to the Councils meeting tomorrow to hear their latest plans .We will post any significant news
 

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« Reply #1067 on: December 10, 2014, 11:57:03 am »
We are now on Facebook

Is it a private account, or can you share the link?   ;)  And are you on Twitter yet?

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« Reply #1068 on: December 10, 2014, 12:07:08 pm »
We have just got the link to facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/littleheathag/ for everyone to use

 

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« Reply #1069 on: December 10, 2014, 12:16:16 pm »
We have just got the link to facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/littleheathag/ for everyone to use



Hi Leader, consider starting a Facebook page rather than a group. It might perform better for your purposes. Easy to do; instructions below. You can select a really user-friendly name and URL.

https://www.facebook.com/help/104002523024878

You might find that people don't want to join a group, but they might want to 'like' a page and get updates. So perhaps you could do both, but you should really consider a page.

This article explains the difference.  https://www.facebook.com/notes/facebook/facebook-tips-whats-the-difference-between-a-facebook-page-and-group/324706977130
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Re: Housing, planning, and development in North Mymms
« Reply #1070 on: December 10, 2014, 12:18:27 pm »
The next meeting of Welwyn Hatfield Borough Council's Cabinet Housing and Planning Panel is tomorrow night 7.30pm at The Cypress Room, Salvation House, Mundells. Members of the BPRA's development committee will be there on behalf of Brookmans Park residents and anyone who wishes to join us will be welcome.

The Agenda can be found at this link:

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« Reply #1071 on: December 10, 2014, 12:38:43 pm »
Thanks will review with our committee
 

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« Reply #1072 on: December 10, 2014, 01:28:45 pm »
Is the ownership of all the pockets of land identified in the plan in the public domain?
 
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« Reply #1073 on: December 10, 2014, 02:15:43 pm »
As far as I'm aware, yes, and the details should be held at the Land Registry. I'm sure that ownership is also documented in the replies to the emerging Core Strategy, where land was offered by owners for possible development. All of this should still be available on welhat.gov.uk
 

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« Reply #1074 on: December 12, 2014, 11:05:40 am »
A very interesting meeting last night at the CHPP. Obviously things can change before next week's ratification meeting, and even after that, the full Cabinet may choose to disregard the recommendations made by the Panel.

It was agreed that WHBC should send a letter to Eric Pickles making the case for a new Garden City or New Town in Hertfordshire, outside the Green Belt. This is something that the BPRA and others have been urging WHBC to do for some time.

However, WHBC still has to proceed with the Local Plan and the following are points that were agreed last night, and will (may?) go forward for ratification at the CHPP meeting on 17th December.

The option for a new Garden City or New Town will go into the public consultation.

Only the 'more favourable' sites will go forward to public consultation, this would yield 10,100 new dwellings. The 'finely balanced' and 'less favourable' sites will not go forward to public consultation but will appear in the public document to show that they had been considered.

Panshanger will be upgraded to 'more favourable' from 'finely balanced', as it is not Green Belt and it has been earmarked for development since 1993.

Less proposed development in NW Hatfield, particularly on the HAT1 so as to avoid coalescence with WGC.

Marshmoor in Welham Green will move from 'finely balanced' to 'more favourable', on the basis of job creation.




 

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« Reply #1075 on: December 12, 2014, 11:22:13 am »
The option for a new Garden City or New Town will go into the public consultation.

Great update Mermaid. So is that officially confirmed that WHC is putting the option of creating of a new garden city or new town to public consultation?
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« Reply #1076 on: December 12, 2014, 11:43:13 am »
That is what was agreed last night at the Cabinet Panel, but we will see if the proposal makes it through to next week's ratification meeting. Then, I think the full Cabinet will still have a say in whether they want to accept the Panel's recommendation.

The letter to Eric Pickles will be sent shortly, certainly before the consultation.

I should make it clear that a new Garden City or New Town in Hertfordshire would not negate the need for development in Welwyn Hatfield, but it may bring the targets down to more manageable levels. Certainly I expect that all the Hertfordshire councils would want to lower their targets in this way, particularly whichever area has to 'host' it.


 

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« Reply #1077 on: December 12, 2014, 01:40:34 pm »
Excellent update...Great news for Brookmans Park :)  But not so great for Welham Green :(  or Little Heath :(
 

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« Reply #1078 on: December 12, 2014, 03:57:39 pm »
Nothing is settled, chickens are not being counted, many a slip twixt cup and lip etc etc.  We may go to the ratification meeting next week and find everything's changed again .......
 

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« Reply #1079 on: December 13, 2014, 11:54:39 am »
A chilly good morning !


We attended the council meeting on Thursday night, They have decided  at the meeting to recommend  sending out for  public consultation the sites which are more favourable only . This means nearly all of the proposed sites in Brookmans Park will not be put forward for development at this stagebut all sites in Little Heath will (BrP7, LHe1, and BPLH30). It will be even more essential that residents write in to the Council during the consultation period with their objections in the New Year.We will need all your help to get this message across to the residents.


We held our first full committee meeting yesterday to review our strategy  and plans going forward. We will keep you up to date with any news and actions we will be taking.

 

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