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Re: Housing, planning, and development in North Mymms
« Reply #1320 on: June 25, 2015, 07:26:30 pm »
A blindingly obvious strategy: wait until you gauge the level of opposition to the almost universally unsuitable and woeful sites identified by our highly talented planning 'experts' and equally talented councillors (and Boggis and Bunce and Bean)

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As I believe you are aware, the officers and councillors you refer to above had no part in choosing the sites put forward for the consultation. They relied upon local landowners putting forward sites they owned or had an interest in.

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Re: Housing, planning, and development in North Mymms
« Reply #1321 on: June 25, 2015, 08:52:45 pm »
The Rookery Café won't be much missed and I'm sure it's not Grade I listed, unless it was where the Kinks had their first gig.
"Past Barnet Church, up to Potters Bar" - "Driving", The Kinks, 1969.
So, probably not, then.


Since Welham Green has had various roads stopped up, the sites WeG12 and WG90 will require all their vehicular traffic to pass Dellsome Parade and negotiate Wights Corner crossroads, or Knolles Crescent. Even current congestion levels make using these a stressful affair!
 

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Re: Housing, planning, and development in North Mymms
« Reply #1322 on: June 26, 2015, 09:48:04 am »
A blindingly obvious strategy: wait until you gauge the level of opposition to the almost universally unsuitable and woeful sites identified by our highly talented planning 'experts' and equally talented councillors (and Boggis and Bunce and Bean)

Chungdokwan

As I believe you are aware, the officers and councillors you refer to above had no part in choosing the sites put forward for the consultation. They relied upon local landowners putting forward sites they owned or had an interest in.

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Not quite correct James........Some sites were put forward by the promoters/developers of the site, not the landowners........The officers sieved the sites according to various criteria and graded them accordingly - Finely Balanced, More Favourable and Less Favourable.......The councillors decided to only include the More Favourable sites in the main body of the consultation with the other sites sidelined to an appendix.....The councillors also decided to include Marshmoor in the main body of the consultation although it is not classed as More Favourable......The councillors changed the status of Panshanger from Finely Balanced to More Favourable - thus ensuring Marshmoor and Panshangers inclusion in the main body of the consultation.
 

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Re: Housing, planning, and development in North Mymms
« Reply #1323 on: June 26, 2015, 10:14:06 am »
Not quite correct James........Some sites were put forward by the promoters/developers of the site, not the landowners........

Apologies you are of course correct 'landowners' was not the right word to use there. I'd blame the spellchecker, but... :)
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Re: Housing, planning, and development in North Mymms
« Reply #1324 on: June 29, 2015, 07:21:04 pm »
Six of one or half a dozen of the other, James. And thank you, Epiphany, for your helpful interjection.

As one WelHat councillor has claimed elsewhere (in the Welwyn Hatfield Times only a few days ago), just what's been going on behind closed doors, assuming there's at least a hint of truth in those rumours?  Is there such a thing as fire without smoke (well of course there is, but that's not my point)? Does anyone actually think that everything relating to the housing consultation has been entirely above board or that the current process can in any way be described as a professional, well conducted and 100 per cent transparent example of local democracy and localism in action? Did anyone for example see the results of Welwyn Hatfield Time's poll concerning the public's perception of our council? Given the recent election, it's a negative, actually rather damning, view of local politics and, by association, of our local politicians. Don't expect a CBE anytime soon boys and girls.

May I recommend 'The Power Broker: Robert Moses and the Fall of New York' which is an excellent book by Robert Caro? It's a cracking read and also non-fiction. Or you could watch The Dukes of Hazzard (sic) which is somewhat easier on the eye but fictional. Boss Hogg;  he's my favourite character although some people may have a preference for Enos Strate. After all, it takes all sorts to make a world.
 

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Re: Housing, planning, and development in North Mymms
« Reply #1325 on: July 06, 2015, 07:29:30 am »
Good News
After my meeting with him at the House of Commons with Oliver Dowden MP for Hertsmere,he has written to both Hertsmere and Welwyn Hatfield Councils supporting our objections.Grant Shapps has also confirmed his support and we are due to meet him later this month.
 

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Re: Housing, planning, and development in North Mymms
« Reply #1326 on: July 10, 2015, 12:59:20 pm »
How does the  relaxation of planning law in regards to brownfield sites (and maybe green belt?) affect the local plan for housing?


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Re: Housing, planning, and development in North Mymms
« Reply #1327 on: July 10, 2015, 04:40:39 pm »
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There was "no need" to build on green belt land, he insisted, to meet the government's targets.

"The green belt can be rightly protected. There is plenty of land which is not green belt that we can build on and which is suitable for housing and we need to get on with it. We need to find new ways to encourage it."
Business Secretary Sajid Javid quoted on BBC News Online. This seems quite clear, certainly regarding the Green Belt


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33472405
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Re: Housing, planning, and development in North Mymms
« Reply #1328 on: July 10, 2015, 05:15:19 pm »
Unfortunately, it is not quite clear at all James. Do not believe everything you read, or indeed believe everything a politician says. There are no "Government targets" for housing. Housing need is assessed by Local Authorities as part of the Local Plan process. If the Local Authority believe that the housing need and also economic benefits outweighs the harm to the Green Belt then as part of the Local Plan process, Green Belt boundaries can and are altered to allow development to take place. This is happening all over the country. Welwyn Hatfield Borough Council have already stated that there are not enough Brown Field sites to satisfy their current assessment of need (currently 10,000 dwellings -  although this can still change) and that they believe that the Housing Need and economic benefits DO outweigh the harm to the Green Belt. They are currently now assessing which of  the sites that have been put forward to include in the final draft of the Local Plan. It will include Green Belt sites - the question is which ones?
 

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Re: Housing, planning, and development in North Mymms
« Reply #1329 on: July 13, 2015, 07:32:25 pm »
I've noticed that in the latest proposals there's an application to replace the Rose & Crown in Essendon with 6 houses. We've lost quite enough pubs thank you - approx. 20% of Herts pubs have closed since the turn of the century. Let's hope this application fails. I'm also told that the food there is pretty good.

On the subject of brownfield sites, it's not quite as simple as brown-field bad / green-field good. Outside the wetlands in the Lea and Colne valleys, arguably the most valuable site in South Herts from an ecological point of view is the old Hatfield Aerodrome and the adjoining Beech Farm. It's the last extensive area of unspoilt rough grassland in this part of the county, supporting a wealth of insects and small mammals. Consequently it attracts a superb variety of bird-life - for example I've seen all 5 species of British owl here, as well as Ring Ouzels, Redstarts, Tree Pipits and the rapidly disappearing Cuckoo. Unfortunately it is classified as a brown-field site and will probably now be fast-tracked for development.
In contrast, many "green" fields are virtually lifeless, having been sprayed to death with various insecticides and herbicides over a period of years. These fields are effectively green deserts, and are of little environmental worth. But they are nice to look at, compared with scruffy old rough grassland and scrub.
 

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Re: Housing, planning, and development in North Mymms
« Reply #1330 on: July 22, 2015, 03:45:51 pm »
An article from this weeks WH Times following the meeting with Oliver Dowden


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Re: Housing, planning, and development in North Mymms
« Reply #1331 on: July 29, 2015, 05:24:11 pm »
This leaflet is currently being delivered in Welham Green by the North Mymms District Green Belt Society.........

<a href="http://www.brookmans.com/pdfs/MarshmoorleafletJul15.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.brookmans.com/pdfs/MarshmoorleafletJul15.pdf</a>

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Re: Housing, planning, and development in North Mymms
« Reply #1332 on: July 30, 2015, 09:29:20 am »
A letter from our group to the WH Times this week
 

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« Reply #1333 on: August 06, 2015, 02:12:50 pm »
A reminder that the above meeting is today!!
 

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Re: Housing, planning, and development in North Mymms
« Reply #1334 on: August 13, 2015, 08:46:56 am »
Oliver Dowden MP for Hertsmere has continued to support us in our fight against building on the Green Belt in Little Heath.


He has just written more letters to the Councils
 

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Re: Housing, planning, and development in North Mymms
« Reply #1335 on: August 13, 2015, 10:34:35 am »
Green Belt Trumps Housing 12th August 2015

"Communities secretary Greg Clark has refused permission for appeal proposals including up to 116 homes in the Hertfordshire green belt, despite a 'significant shortfall' in the local council's five-year housing land supply.

"In a decision letter issued this week, the communities secretary dismissed two appeals lodged by appellant Hunston Properties, agreeing with the analysis and recommendations of inspector Frances Mahoney, who had held a public local inquiry in July 2014."

Link to original article: http://www.planningresource.co.uk/article/1359736/green-belt-trumps-housing-need-latest-secretary-state-decision
 

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« Reply #1336 on: August 13, 2015, 10:36:22 am »
Green Belt Trumps Housing 12th August 2015

"Communities secretary Greg Clark has refused permission for appeal proposals including up to 116 homes in the Hertfordshire green belt, despite a 'significant shortfall' in the local council's five-year housing land supply.

"In a decision letter issued this week, the communities secretary dismissed two appeals lodged by appellant Hunston Properties, agreeing with the analysis and recommendations of inspector Frances Mahoney, who had held a public local inquiry in July 2014."

Link to original article: http://www.planningresource.co.uk/article/1359736/green-belt-trumps-housing-need-latest-secretary-state-decision
 

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Re: Housing, planning, and development in North Mymms
« Reply #1337 on: August 13, 2015, 12:42:46 pm »
Chungdokwan.


Your link is subscription only.


This is an alternative link on the same story - http://www.hertsad.co.uk/news/is_it_the_end_of_the_line_for_green_belt_homes_project_behind_st_albans_girls_school_1_4190958



 

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« Reply #1338 on: August 13, 2015, 12:44:28 pm »
Chungdokwan


Your link is subscription only.


This is an alternative link on the same story - http://www.hertsad.co.uk/news/is_it_the_end_of_the_line_for_green_belt_homes_project_behind_st_albans_girls_school_1_4190958



 

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Re: Housing, planning, and development in North Mymms
« Reply #1339 on: August 13, 2015, 06:14:43 pm »
Many thanks.
 

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Re: Housing, planning, and development in North Mymms
« Reply #1340 on: August 18, 2015, 01:34:46 pm »

The proposed housing site WeG10 Dixons Hill Road in Welham Green which had previously been withdrawn has now recently been re-submitted.
 

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Re: Housing, planning, and development in North Mymms
« Reply #1341 on: August 19, 2015, 07:20:54 am »
The proposed housing site WeG10 Dixons Hill Road in Welham Green which had previously been withdrawn has now recently been re-submitted.

For those not familiar with WeG10, here is a map.



You can see all the proposed sites by clicking below.

Where will the new houses be built?
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Re: Housing, planning, and development in North Mymms
« Reply #1342 on: September 16, 2015, 07:33:26 am »
Good Morning


There is a new meeting next week to discuss the Local Plan. The agenda  and documents are listed below in the links to the Council website .Members of the public can go to this meeting


We are now entering a critical stage of the plan and there is now a new site in Little Heath LHe3 for an extra 100 dwellings .If all the sites were developed Little heath would increase by 50 to 60 %!! We need your support in opposing these plans


Details are

[/size][size=78%]24/09/2015Cypress Room[/size]Salvation House2 Sterling CourtMundellsWelwyn Garden CityAL7 1FT Agenda [32KB] Public Report Pack [9MB] Item 8 - Appendix A [7MB] Item 8 - Appendix B, C, D [974KB]
 

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« Reply #1343 on: September 16, 2015, 09:23:23 am »
The Public Report Pack for the forthcoming WHBC Cabinet Housing Planning Panel meeting on 24 September has now been published - http://www.welhat.gov.uk/CHttpHandler.ashx?id=10424&p=0   


It contains a Local Plan update and maps of the new sites submitted before the 14 August deadline for submission of new sites (Local Plan is page 7 onwards)


For more information please check the North Mymms District Greenbelt Society Website which will be updated shortly - http://www.greenbeltsociety.org.uk/



 I have listed the new North Mymms sites below -
 
 
BrP24 White Lodge Farm, Bulls Lane Brookmans Park New site -60 Dwellings
 
BrP25 Old Bell Bar Nursery, Bulls Lane Brookmans Park New site -10 Dwellings
 
BrP26 Meadow Croft, Great North Road Brookmans Park New site -15 Dwellings
 
BrP27 Land spanning New Cottages Hawkshead Lane Brookmans Park New site -40 Dwellings
 
BrP28 Bell Lane Gospel Hall Brookmans Park New Site 7 Dwellings -7 Dwellings
 
BrP29 Land south of Bulls Lane Brookmans Park New site -15 Dwellings
 
BrP30 rear of 10-18 Mymms Drive Brookmans Park New Site -30 Dwellings
 
BrP31 r/o 70 Georges Wood Road Brookmans Park New site – adjoins BrP14 – 4 Dwellings
 
Hat11 South of Hatfield Hatfield Revised site area for housing, and/or employment, retail. Adjoins potential cemetery site. – 150 Dwellings
 
LHe3 Swanley Park, Swanley Bar Swanley Bar New Site – 100 Dwellings
 
WeG8 New Barnfield Welham Green Re-submitted – 325 Dwellings
 
WeG10 Dixons Hill Road Welham Green Re-submitted (previously withdrawn) – 120 Dwellings
 
WeG14 1-2 Railway Cottages, Marshmoor Lane Welham Green New site -4 Dwellings
 
WeG15 Potterells Farm Welham Green New site – 175 Dwellings
 
WeG16 North of Bulls Lane Welham Green New site – 9 Dwellings
 

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Re: Housing, planning, and development in North Mymms
« Reply #1344 on: September 16, 2015, 02:33:08 pm »
I have listed the new North Mymms sites below -


At first glance, this looks even more intimidating than the first round on which the public 'consultation' was based! I'm visualising an army of owners, developers, architects, legal professionals etc. massing on nearby high ground. Are we outnumbered?
 

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« Reply #1345 on: September 16, 2015, 03:06:42 pm »
Nimbus


I think it is doubtful that ALL these sites will make it as far as the Final Draft Local Plan and will be sieved out for various reasons prior to the Draft Local Plan Public Consultation which is now scheduled for July-September 2016.


The North Mymms District Green Belt Society will be attending all Cabinet Housing Plannng Panel Meetings and will update and advise in due course.......
 

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Re: Housing, planning, and development in North Mymms
« Reply #1346 on: October 05, 2015, 05:30:47 pm »
Just got the attached from the council.
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« Reply #1347 on: October 05, 2015, 08:57:48 pm »
This is the link referenced in the letter above - http://www.welhat.gov.uk/CHttpHandler.ashx?id=10461&p=0



 

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Re: Housing, planning, and development in North Mymms
« Reply #1348 on: October 06, 2015, 08:52:18 am »
Two drop in sessions to review the new and amended sites have been arranged by the Council. We do not think there are enough of these and will be making this point to them.


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Re: Housing, planning, and development in North Mymms
« Reply #1349 on: October 07, 2015, 07:39:48 am »
The council's Local Plan newsletter for October 2015 includes the timetable for the process

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