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Re: Kids on the street!!!
« Reply #30 on: April 18, 2002, 10:00:20 pm »
Yes I know and thats what I'm talking about. Perhaps at 12 -15 you can still maintain a certain amount of control, but any older than that, you honestly don't know what they are up to when they are out. Ok, my kids arn't at that age yet, and I think I am very in tune with them at the moment, but everything can change as they enter secondary school.

Sorry to me this is yet another article about blaming it on the parents, make single parents feel worse than they already do. But I do agree its important to speak to your children every day to keep in touch. I was always brought up with family dinners, and I've done the same for my kids. No Telly, no phone calls, a time to sit as a family and talk.  

Some parents have to work to provide for their kids, they have no choice. By the time they come home the kids want to go out. I'm sure if they could choose the'd give anything to give time to their children, not everyone is able to have this luxury. Children can be very expensive. :)

If your child falls in with the wrong crowd, it can be hell for all involved. They still need somewhere to go and be themselves. As student X said, they are told what to do and how to dress all day in school, they want a bit of freedom.
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Re: Kids on the street!!!
« Reply #31 on: April 19, 2002, 12:22:06 am »
i am a youth of brookmans park. whilst i and my friends (all 16/17) were out for one of out evening strolls, we too did come across a blazing 'for sale' sign in brookmans avenue. we quickly rushed to stamp the fire out. we suceeded. some of us do care, and don't wish to see such property, 'for sale' sign or otherwise, be treated like this. OK, we do hand around the village and in gobians, but is there any law against that? the weather over easter and the last week has been great, we just want to get out and enjoy the outside with our friends. everyone thinks its so bad thta the youth of today just sit indoors and watch TV and play computer games. so we are taking some advice and getting outside and enjoying our lives.

Quite frankly, the idea of a youth centre does not appeal to me at all, and i know i doesn't to my friends either. maybe it did to teenagers 10/15 years ago, but not now...nowadays, the lifestyle demands more recreational areas, such as sports facilities. I myself, and my friends, all of us either being 16 or 17, know that we would love to see the gobians playground updated...maybe even adding a section with apparatus for older children...seperate from the younger children's swings and stuff if they and/or their parents feel threatened, which they shouldn't be, but anyway. We don't want dedicated places to go, we just want more things to do out of doors. if we want to be indoors, we shall go back to our houses with friends and socialise, listen to music, play computer games, or whatever. Yes, some youthes (ie...townies (the ones with sports clothes and bad attitudes)) want to destroy things...mainly because their intelligence level doesn't rise much above that, but some of us care, and want to have fun. We are not bad, just misunderstood.

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Re: Kids on the street!!!
« Reply #32 on: April 19, 2002, 12:41:44 am »
 'aqueous'  

Well said.......great to hear your views.  I'm quite new round here so don't know too much about the gobions. But it would be great if we could make better use of this space. I do take the dog up there sometimes, and everyone is very friendly and I agree its a nice place to be. I also think its great that you want to be in the great outdoors, and doing more sporty activities. I wish my 10 year old would do more.......he just wants to play on the computer and watch mindless telly.

Anyway,  'aqueous' , perhaps we need the "youth" to educate us, and tell us what they want, so we can learn a little. I admit you've enlightened me.
 

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Re: Kids on the street!!!
« Reply #33 on: April 19, 2002, 01:03:24 am »
this is the thing, i am quite happy to roam the streets, it's all exercise after all, we get given enough activities to do at school, what with A levels and everything else, so we just want to what we know as 'chill' at weekends and between homework. i am a great fan of doing nothing in particular, and gobians presents a good opportunity for relaxation. I think its time that we used this natural resource, that is right on our doorstep, to our advantage. If we want to do things, we can go to potters bar, hatfield, or welwyn, but to relax means not to move far, and so, if the gobians open space was used more as a recreational space rather than just a big field, it may help. I've lived in the area for 11 years, since i was 6, and all that has happened to the playground in that time is that the roundabout has morphed into a toddler's playhouse and a see-saw. For my GCSE Graphic Design project, i had the idea of using some of the ample space in gobians field to design a playground, or 'hang spot' espicially designed for teenagers..with a roundabout, large swings, lots of climbing equipment (like the silver coloured bars in the current playground) and planty of seating, as we like to sit..oh, and plenty of bins to keep track of the mess. Maybe this isn't such a bad idea? why could an idea like this (which got me an A) not be implemented in the real world? well, y'know, just a thought...seeing as whoever is in charge wants our input... :P
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Re: Kids on the street!!!
« Reply #34 on: April 19, 2002, 01:31:50 am »
Nobody is really in charge AT.  The forum is merely a chance for people to have their say although a committee is being formed to find ways of acting on some of the issues raised.  It would be good to have a teenage voice on that.
It seems that two suggestions have come forward in the last 24 hours.
The first was to see whether Gobions can be used for cycling.
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one idea that i would like to put forward would be a use of the Gobiens free area to be put to cyclists use.   There is plenty of space there to make some space for us.  If a small section of gobians could be set aside to place a build a dirttrack and jump sections ( they are more my style of riding! ;D) it wold be great, i know it is seen as damaging the environment by some but it would be great to have.     Thanks for your time.

I suppose that is one for the Gobions Woodland Trust to come back on.  If any users are members please pitch in.
The other suggestion was one for the Parish Council and regarded making better use of the public area known as Gobions Open Space.
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I think its time that we used this natural resource, that is right on our doorstep, to our advantage... if the gobians open space was used more as a recreational space rather than just a big field, it may help... I had the idea of using some of the ample space in gobians field to design a playground, or 'hang spot' espicially designed for teenagers..with a roundabout, large swings, lots of climbing equipment (like the silver coloured bars in the current playground) and planty of seating, as we like to sit..oh, and plenty of bins to keep track of the mess. Maybe this isn't such a bad idea?

Perhaps if any forum users are from the Parish Council they could pitch in on this one.
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Re: Kids on the street!!!
« Reply #35 on: April 19, 2002, 01:42:36 am »
Dear All,
Doing wrong wether you are one or one hundred is wrong!
A good guide when you are going to do something is "would I like this done to me"
Do unto others etc.
Even a "soft" kid like myself found the idea of youth clubs etc totally uncool 30+ years ago :)
There is nothing wrong with anyone being on the streets, it is a free country ???
If more people were on the streets, then less crime etc would happen.
Parents do you know where your teenagers were tonight ??? If not why not don't you talk ???
As Kevin would say " I hate you ,you are so unfair" flounce flounce :)
It is great to get people of all ages on this site and as far as B.P. goes if there are more than one% who are petty criminals I would be supprised.
When I was younger if you kicked a ball in the street for instance, some old misery would come out and say "clear off and do that somewhere else" :'(
Now when one is older one realises that we were being a nuisance, has any one in B.P. been told to clear off?
T.V., video, radio, C.Ds, tapes, books, computers, bikes, skateboards, football/fishing over Gobions, evening classes, homework,walking, Chatting about boys or girls depending on your preference, walking the dog, helping dad /mum with the car or garden. Need I go on there is plenty to do. Or just have a good chill out ;)
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P.S. You do not change that much once you have matured its just a shock when you look in the mirror and wonder who that bald headed geezer is. You have all the same hopes, fears, feelings and ambitions, its just that you are older ;)
 

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« Reply #36 on: April 19, 2002, 12:10:16 pm »
My dad works in potters bar, and he is the one who is dealing with all the incidents about the stabbings outside the 'Admiral Byng' . :P

The only reason that people of our age in and arond Brookmans park and potters bar go to the pub is so they can keep of the streets and therfore stop anything happening to them. Also the police can keep an eye on them.  ;D

So why are people moaning about the village being covered in teenagers. We have the choice of goingt to potters bar, gettting drunk and then being beaton up, or stay in the village where policeman do keep eyes on us and maske sure we dont get  in 2  trouble.  :D

I suggest that the council should make something intresting for the kids to do. E.g a skateboard ramp in gobions. That will keep us out of the village.
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« Reply #37 on: April 19, 2002, 12:36:17 pm »
But lets face it, it doesnt really matter what we say because the council wont build, cycling facilities in gobians, or a skate ramp, or a youth club, because they dont listen to us!!! Our oppinions are just disregardedk, sometimes we feel as if any letters we send them get tossed into a huge skip with 'teenagers' written on the side.
Also it may not appear this way but it would be exspensive to build facilities for the youth of brookmans park due to the two distinct groups of people, townies and grungers. These are much like the mods and rockers of the past only without the scooters and motorbikes.
However like the mods and rockers as two groups we really dont get on, and it would b neccessary to provide for both sets of people.
The grungers as most of us who have posted are would like the skateramps and dirt bike tracks, but we fear if nothing is provided for the townies, these neanderthols will turn up, vandelise whateva we have had built for us and then probably start a fight.
if anybodys interested by the way they are easily identified by their adidas sports trousers and baseball caps. And they are usually looking for a fight, I apologise to any parent who happens to own one, but u really dont know what ur children get up to do you?
 

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Re: Kids on the street!!!
« Reply #38 on: April 19, 2002, 12:40:34 pm »

Dear C.
It is a sad fact that younger people are much more likely to be attacked than older people. :'(
Perhaps they are targeted for mobile phones or because they can be easier to attack being smaller ???
I think its disgracefull that people of any age live in fear of any kind.
Having witnessed a cowardly  stabbing of an inebriated youth by an assailant with a concealed weapon, I can only advise:-
Don't look like a potential victim, and walk steadily away.
There is nothing wrong with running away either, there is no sense in fighting whatsoever, no one wins.
A crime is a crime there is no mitigation for age,race, sex or religion etc.!
Allways report any incident to the police as it helps them target areas and build up profiles on certain people.
We really need some police input on this site and wonder if it would be possible for your Dad to offer professional advice, obviously we would not want him to prejudice his work ???
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Re: Kids on the street!!!
« Reply #39 on: April 19, 2002, 05:34:25 pm »
one thing that i find about brookmans park is that i always feel safe when on the streets. whenever i am in hatfield, potters bar or welwyn garden city, i am always vary wary, and looking over my shoulder. less so in welwyn garden city actually, but certainly in potters bar and hatfield. Brookmans park is a lot safer and quieter, thats why my parents decided to move here from potters bar 11 years ago, and i'm glad they got out while they did, once again, it is the minority who are spoiling it for everyone else, and as usual, its a case of the 'painted with the same brush' syndrome, but there's nothing i can do about that. :P
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Re: Kids on the street!!!
« Reply #40 on: April 20, 2002, 01:05:11 am »
 Okay first thing is, I would like to say thank u to my mates at school who have told me about this website. It is a great place to go during our free periods which are so boring. I am also a student, an extreme one. I also play an important part at the local Chancellor's School.
To be honest I can understand your feelings about those kids on the streets as you say. The other thing is why are you intimidated? I think the intimidation is created by those who feel intimidated because they don't have the confidence to be stronger.
I also agree with the dislike of the spitting on the ground. Why do they do it? There is no need, but if Im right there are adults who do it, eg. footballers do it all the time.
You have also aimed alot of things at kids but I've seen things adults do which effect us. For instance when driving you expect us to be able to predict your movements without signaling, then you have the cheek to have ago at us when we get in the way.
The other thing is, I'm sorry to hear about the man who burnt his face. This incident is terrible.
Another problem is people with dogs. If your dog does decide to mess, then please pick it up. This is a offence and carries a 1000 fine or something. I have noticed this alot in Gobians on the open space which is used for sport. I once played footie for a team where a player suffered from gang green due to an infection he had gained from dogs mess which got into a wound which he gained while playing. I don't want to see this happen to anyone else.
I also think the community centre wouldn't work, but I think it wouldn't be bad if there was probably alittle cafe for kids to chill in. This could be based in the village somewhere. Make sure it had a large TV so we could watch the footie.
P.S. Student X don't get drunk cos your too heavy to carry home again.
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Re: Kids on the street!!!
« Reply #41 on: April 20, 2002, 01:56:44 am »
Dear M.
A fine post, hope you make many more. ;)
I am so sad to hear that so many people of all ages feel intimidated. :'(
"There is nothing to fear but fear itself" someone said.
Wouldn't class footballers as adults though :)
I suppose people do get a bit annoyed when they see chip papers dumped in the bus shelter and around the village benches when its mainly younger persons that sit there ??? and that makes oldies think badly and tar all with same brush. :o
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Re: Kids on the street!!!
« Reply #42 on: April 20, 2002, 06:43:28 am »
Its sad, but crowds on mass can be a bit scary, thats not just young youths, its the same with any crowd. You may say there is no reason to feel like that..........but when I was 18 I was beaten up very badly by a large crowd in Wood Green. WHy?? Because I simply looked at one of them and she didn't like it (yes a She!) but there were about 15 of them in total and I was so badly beaten I was taken to hospital.........oh and did any passes by help out.......NO, because they were to afraid of the large crowd.

Perhaps that is why it still bothers me, maybe it doesn't bother others in the same way and its just my bad experience.

But I shall make an effort, all of you who have posted in here seem friendly and polite, so next time I pass I'll say hello!

Agree totally Dog mess is a terrible problem......I have a dog, but always clear up afterwards. Its awful when you pick your kids up and they get in the car (always just after its been cleaned of course!) and you realise they have stepped in the stuff yet again. I think kids shoes have a homing device that picks up all dog mess!

And yes M, sad but very true, some adults behave far worse than young kids. And you also raised a question I've asked myself for years.............WHY DO GUYS, especially footballers,  FEEL THE NEED TO SPIT???
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« Reply #43 on: April 20, 2002, 04:12:23 pm »
Dear Anna,
You fell foul of thugs, just by giving a look, something I tried to explain on a separate thread to someone else.
You were also not helped something else I again mentioned on a separate thread.
This whole government driven thing which makes people fearfull of being charged for helping someone must stop.
Being attacked is terrifying and leaves the victim frightened for life.
As for the use of reasonable force when resisting an attacker. Can anyone explain what reasonable force is when someone is attacking at maximum warp, no I can't either.
The judges in these matters if they are ever bought to court should be thouroughy ashamed of themselves with the sentances they (don't) dish out. They live a sheltered life.
It all went wrong when the do gooders interfeered with schools, borstals and prisons.
Well I've blown my top and feel better now,
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« Reply #44 on: April 21, 2002, 04:13:52 pm »
  I think it would be a nice Idea to update the play area in Gobians and add new things like a basketball hoop, halfpipes and stuff for the older kids.
 

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« Reply #45 on: April 22, 2002, 01:54:35 pm »
Before I came to BP I used to live in London Colney. I used to regularly see big groups of young people hanging around and can understand why people could feel intimidated. I never had any problems but would certainly make sure I walked straight past such groups and avoid eye contact or any reason for confrontation. I'm sure that 99% of people would never want to start any trouble but it only takes one or two troublemakers to give a whole group a bad name.

One thing that seemed to work very successfully was a youth project called 'The Base' which was set up in a disused shop. This offered a central location for people to 'chill' and had things like a pool table, internet facilities, and the like. Maybe someone could look at http://www.hhpwgc.demon.co.uk/base.htm and see what they think.

I can't help thinking that the disused newsagents shop could be better used for something like this, although it would have to be funded somehow. With a council election coming up has anybody asked any candidates for their views on the whole issue of youth facilities ? I will be asking anyone who knocks on my door, maybe awareness can be raised this way, although I guess the problem might be that as under-18s cannot vote councillors might not listen. Just an idea, what do people think ?

 

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« Reply #46 on: April 22, 2002, 02:26:36 pm »
I think it sounds like a great idea, a kind of mini pub without the booze.

However in a previous post by aqueous transmission he says that he doesn't think the youth want an indoor "chill out" place. THey want outdoor activities. We also seem to have a problem with two seperate "gangs" who want different things and don't mix to well.   So I am not sure this idea will work unless you could cater for both groups Sad really. Of course there have always been different Groups, but I never remember having problems when I was younger, we all mixed ok, even if we did dress differently and like different music.

However, saying all the above, lets here from the Youth, and see what they think.........

 

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« Reply #47 on: April 22, 2002, 02:54:21 pm »
sasquartch you said 'One thing that seemed to work very successfully was a youth project called 'The Base' which was set up in a disused shop. This offered a central location for people to 'chill' and had things like a pool table, internet facilities'!

This is a brillaint idea. In the winter when the teenagers and youth of today dont want to go outside or stay indoors to get 'nagged' at by are parents, we want to go somewhere new.

This is the perfect idea for all of us, it helps the parents know where the teenagers are, the teenagers get to see all their friends and socalise and keep out of trouble. Now there cant be anything wrong with that can there!

How do we get to put this forward?
 

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« Reply #48 on: April 22, 2002, 09:42:20 pm »
  I thnk the base is a good idea, thats what I meant when I said about a small cafe. "I think it wouldn't be bad if there was probably alittle cafe for kids to chill in. This could be based in the village somewhere. Make sure it had a large TV so we could watch the footie."  
To be honest aqueous transmission has made more of the divide. I don't think it's that bad. I happen to be able to get along with both groups. The ownly reason they say there's a divide is because they don't try to bridge the divide by getting to know both sides of the story. There however is the prblem that some other people can be intimidating to others and possibly ruin the base for others.
 

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« Reply #49 on: April 22, 2002, 10:19:02 pm »
A good starting point for a place for young people is the North Mymms Youth & Community Centre. It is well used, but under utilised by youth since Youth Service pulled out of the Centre, (long story about that one). It still is used for the BP youth football and Ju Jitsu & Tai Chi classes which include young people. But it has 8 acres of land, including a football pitch, woodland, a BMX track, (needs a bit of work on it) and of course the Centre itself, with many facilities there for use, pool, snooker, darts, table tennis, etc etc. Of course Centre does need people to run it and it doesn't run itself. But it is for the community to use! It is run by volunteers and any activities there must be sanctioned and properly run. It is not a free for all!!

AGM is 9th July & new blood desperately needed. Let's get thinking how the village can use this facility rather than risk the wrath of Gobions Woodland Trust and yes, possibly risking damaging the ecology of Gobions or disused shops in the village. The latter will still need to be funded, staffed and managed. Despite repeated requests in the Chancellor's Community Newsletter, The Welwyn Hatfield Times, letters to parents, appeal on this web site, articles in the St Mary's Church Parish Magazine, hardly anyone has responded. The Youth Clubs in essence have had to close through a lack of adult support and a reluctance on the part of young people to take responsibility for their actions. I am more than willing to explain this in more detail off line.

Any ideas welcome on this thread. The Centre is there for the community, let's use it! Remember, the AGM for the Community Centre is 9th July 8pm. But, before then, is anyone genuinely interested in moving this excellent facility forward? Instead of trying to start things from scratch, how about using what's already available? If there are people interested, let's meet up first and use the AGM as a potential launch of a new use (in addition to the current use) of the Centre. Please contact me.
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« Reply #50 on: April 23, 2002, 12:26:23 am »
yeah, ok, so maybe an indoor 'chill place' wouldn't be such a bad idea, but as its heading toards the summer, i was thinking more out outdoorsey activities. And the didide that we are speaking of, moonie, you can mix with both groups because you are able to, but the rest of us find it hard due to the difference in likes and dislikes, and attitudes, so much so that we don't even want to bother.
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« Reply #51 on: April 23, 2002, 01:24:50 pm »
AT, moonie is right in what he has said. the divide is only a percieved one and boils down to the fact that poeple have time on there hands so they hate to consume this time. I like moonie am able to mix very comfortably with both groups (for the most part) with out any bother whatsoever. if you wanted to mix with any of the other side you have to accommodate for there idiosyncrecies as they would have to do for you. (I admit that there are the more hardcore of these communities who are very unnapproachable but for the most part bothe sides could get along together). Make the effort and you will succeed. AJ3rd :)
 

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« Reply #52 on: April 23, 2002, 01:33:35 pm »
I feel much like aqueous transmission. I think there is a divide and I dont want to bridge it. I'm sure if any of you who say that u mix with both groups actually tried to talk to the townies in the village you would invariably get a barrage of abuse.
I personally got shouted at by a couple of them the other day because I was wearing shorts. They said 'put some trousers on.' Is that it? I asked myself, Is that the pinacle of ur intelectual whit? I'm sorry I dont want to mix with these people but I dont like there attitude, and I dont like the way they act.
I think when u all say u can mix with them, ur actually not talking about 'rude boy' townies, ur talking about the regular sort who I agree I can mix with, but the ones in Brookmans are, unfortunately, not of this variety.

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« Reply #53 on: April 23, 2002, 01:47:11 pm »
I'm not trying to sound like a negative adult here, and I have thought carefully before posting. But to me, this is a no win situation. If you can't all get on, its unlikely anything we do will work. If we got a "chill out" zone, I fear this would lead to fights, if we could work out a way to do some sort of outdoor activities, then the other group will think its unfair they didn't get what they wanted. Its unlikely you'd get both, especially at the same time!

I feel its rather a shame you all don't get on and can't respect each others differences. This is life, we have to learn to accept different cultures, race, religion, looks etc..........Not likeing someone because of how they dress is still a form of prejudicist, and I find it very sad and a little scary that is still so rife.  

Sadly I think you will all lose out, unless some compromise can be reached.

 

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« Reply #54 on: April 23, 2002, 04:40:39 pm »
It seems the youth of Woolmer Green had a similar problem, but came up with a solution - see http://www.whtimes.co.uk/content/news/asp/news3.asp#Crew

(you might need to scroll down to get to the correct story) - would teenagers be willing to try the same in Brookmans Park?

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Re: Kids on the street!!!
« Reply #55 on: April 23, 2002, 04:53:21 pm »
Very Interesting to read indeed,
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Re: Kids on the street!!!
« Reply #56 on: April 24, 2002, 06:21:17 pm »
Ferdie,
Nearer to July 9th I'd suggest getting an invitation read out at the school assembly (assuming there still is one once a week or so). Just maybe there will be some young adults that would be prepared to go and represent their age group, or some who could persuade their parents to go.

I am impressed by the list of facilities and would like to think it will still be there when my 4 year old is big enough to use them - especially the bike track.

Good luck with reviving interest.

I also thought, as I read the whole of this thread, that a cyber cafe type of establishment would be a great idea, not all of us are previlaged enough to have our own internet connetions. It would also be used by non-youths in the day - a good lunch venue, or just a chat over coffee.
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Re: Kids on the street!!!
« Reply #57 on: April 25, 2002, 01:04:02 am »
anna, i see what ur saying about the situation being kinda sad...but, well, i suppose it is. In every form of life, all around the world, there is conflict. I know that in an ideal world, there shouldn't be, but in this incredibly un-ideal world, it's just not the case. The same goes for us kiddies of today. There are groups of young people today, which have grown mainly becase of musical tastes, and they have grown seperately from each other, as  have their attitudes and actions. I'm sure i'd get on quite well with these people, if they wern't so what i see as bloody arrogant, shallow and pathetic towards anyone who isn't them. and i'm sure that they see us in the same way. things like this can't be helped. its just a fact that due to the way we bring ourselves up, we can never get on, and so this has, HAS to be considered when planning ideas for new facilities for the local youth.

sorry, had to rant!  :-/

oh well, back to the physics coursework, i guess,

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Re: Kids on the street!!!
« Reply #58 on: April 25, 2002, 12:16:20 pm »
I my post of 22 April I mentioned 'The Base' in London Colney. I was in LC yesterday and noticed that they have an open day on 11th May 12:00-3:00.

Possibly this might be of interest to see what other villages have done.

The Base is at (I think) 184 High Street. If you go past Sainsburys / M&S and into London Colney, cross the river and after about 0.5 mile you come to a mini roundabout, keep straight on. The Base is a few hundred yards further on the right hand side.
 

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Re: Kids on the street!!!
« Reply #59 on: April 26, 2002, 05:39:29 pm »
 To be honest by having a base in Brookman's Park, it wouldn't solve the original problem. You want to keep us off the street. By having a base we would still walk there and back in groups. So u will still be unhappy.
 

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