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Trains serving North Mymms over the years
« on: October 20, 2017, 01:04:54 pm »
I've started a new thread to feature some of the trains that have served (or passed through) both Brookmans Park and Welham Green over the years. I will be uploading some of the images curated by local historian, archivist and photographer, Mike Allen, who has loaned me all three of his excellent Images of North Mymms CDs to share with people on the site. Thanks again Mike. Please note that all the captions are built into the images I have uploaded.











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« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2017, 07:44:36 pm »
I have another date correction for a photo caption! I'm posting these in the hope they can be fed back to the source DVDs.
Image BP2286, of Gresley A4 Dominion Of Canada, is sometime after 1956, when BR coach livery became maroon, and late December 1957, when the loco was fitted with a double chimney, which required the bell's removal.

Only 4 A4s were built with the double chimney, which was the subject of a French patent. Though the results were impressive, (see: Mallard) no doubt the costs deterred the cash-strapped LNER from pursuing it further. It took a campaign by the Kings Cross Shedmaster in the late 1950s to get the whole fleet fitted, followed by the earlier A3 fleet, at a cost of 150 per engine, in order to keep the Eastern Region service competitive. BR management were furious when they found out, fortunately too late to enforce conformity. They were largely drawn from the ranks of ex-LMS management, and did not appreciate or value what Gresley's design team had discovered before the war. Some later-built LNER Pacifics of class A1 were sent for a period in BR days to work the ex-LMS mainline from Crewe to Scotland, where they were found to use far less coal than the native designs, on the same work.
 

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« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2017, 08:19:01 pm »
Most impressed by the level of knowledge! As a matter of interest, what are the Marshmoor sidings now - have they been subsumed by the Travellers Lane industrial estate, and if so when? And are any of the cottages still standing?
 

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« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2017, 08:27:09 pm »
As a matter of interest, what are the Marshmoor sidings now - have they been subsumed by the Travellers Lane industrial estate, and if so when?
There are various compounds storing new Mercedes vans on the rising section which was the track to Mowlems' complex, while lower down there is a recycling business and, most obviously, Welham Green station car park and booking office.
 
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« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2017, 08:55:22 pm »
And are any of the cottages still standing?

1-2 Railway Cottage is still there, accessed from Marshmoor Lane (WG2545). The crossing keepers house has been demolished.
 

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Re: Trains serving North Mymms over the years
« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2017, 07:28:18 am »
The days when some trains had names - the Thomas The Tank Engine age.












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Re: Trains serving North Mymms over the years
« Reply #6 on: October 26, 2017, 04:27:26 pm »
Some more train pictures curated by local historian, archivist and photographer, Mike Allen, who has loaned me all three of his excellent Images of North Mymms CDs to share with people on the site. Please note that all the captions are built into the images I have uploaded.





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« Reply #7 on: October 26, 2017, 09:38:31 pm »
Image BP2710 should be dated 1974 or earlier, which is when the platform edges were altered in preparation for higher speeds in the forthcoming electrification era.
By 1977, train 1N29 was the 19:00 Kings Cross - Newcastle.

Image WG2870 is connected to Welham Green by virtue of Mowlem's yard being the residence of this engine at the time. It was the first steam loco to be bought in working order from BR for preservation, and the first to operate under private ownership on BR tracks for tours such as the one pictured. The Kings Cross shedmaster, Peter Townend, played a part in its selection, as it was a bit of a depot pet, and kept smart in best 'Top Shed' tradition. When a Captain Smith came knocking on his office door enquiring about the possibility of buying a redundant engine, Peter steered him past the ranks of Gresley Pacifics to this little engine which he thought more likely to be within the capabilities of a single private owner. It duly ran as an express with the district Inspection Saloon from Kings Cross to Marshmoor, where over a lunch in the sidings it was handed over to its new owner. But for interest of these two gentlemen, there would not be a single surviving representative of a significant if humble line of neat Great Northern shunting engines. This engine is now in the custody of the National Railway Museum.

Image WG2931 depicts a 4-4-0, class D16, unofficially named 'The Royal Claud', originating with the Great Eastern Railway, and at this time based at Cambridge for royal duties. On this occasion it is spinning along with a normal service train, presumably Cambridge-Kings Cross. None of these characterful locos survived, as the Great Eastern was dieselised even earlier than the Great Northern, and before the preservation movement had gained any momentum.
 
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« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2017, 09:01:30 am »
Two more train images from Mike Allen's Images of North Mymms CDs, uploaded here for anyone interested in local transport history.



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« Reply #9 on: November 08, 2017, 05:55:24 pm »
That first picture (BP1401 KX - Hitchin); that looks like a pedestrian crossing in the foreground. If I've got things right, that looks roughly opposite the end of Bradmore Lane. Did there used to be a footpath from there over to Peplins?
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« Reply #10 on: November 08, 2017, 06:44:21 pm »
James - The 1936 OS 25 inch map below shows Bradmore Cottage which was originally the crossing keeper's house before the bridge was built in 1880.

The earlier 1868 OS 6 inch map at the bottom shows the arrangement of 'Bradmore Gate' crossing before the bridge. The cottage must have been built after 1868 and before 1880.

Presumably the crossing you have noticed is there for the benefit of the residents of Bradmore Cottage.



 
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« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2017, 07:23:42 am »
That first picture (BP1401 KX - Hitchin); that looks like a pedestrian crossing in the foreground. If I've got things right, that looks roughly opposite the end of Bradmore Lane. Did there used to be a footpath from there over to Peplins?

James - The 1936 OS 25 inch map below shows Bradmore Cottage which was originally the crossing keeper's house before the bridge was built in 1880.

Wow, great spot James, and thanks for digging out those maps, epiphany. Wonderful to see pieces of local history coming together as people study old pictures and maps. Keep up the good work, Holmes and Watson.  :)
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