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Offline peppermint

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Re: Dog mess and the health risks
« Reply #240 on: October 12, 2010, 01:47:06 pm »
Hi Emma,

Speaking of babys bottoms.   I recently saw someone changing their baby's bottom on a chair in the cafe in Morrisons, St. Albans ....... lovely! ???
 

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Re: Dog mess and the health risks
« Reply #241 on: October 13, 2010, 04:47:10 am »
Well, what goes in, must come out. We all carry at least a kilo around with us every day... :)
 

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Re: Dog mess and the health risks
« Reply #242 on: October 13, 2010, 10:54:08 am »
Well, what goes in, must come out. We all carry at least a kilo around with us every day... :)

How do you know.......or perhaps have you carried and swung it in a plastic bag for all and sundry to see before plonking it on the scales at home ???
 

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Re: Dog mess and the health risks
« Reply #243 on: October 13, 2010, 11:10:06 am »
PS - ok, a slight exageration..it's probably about 100g..but this link explains how to work it out
http://www.ams.ac.ir/aim/0034/asl0034.html
 

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Re: Dog mess and the health risks
« Reply #244 on: October 13, 2010, 11:15:07 am »
PS - ok, a slight exageration..it's probably about 100g..but this link explains how to work it out
http://www.ams.ac.ir/aim/0034/asl0034.html

Hey thanks Stevea - I'll be sure to spend some evenings studying the article and associated references.  ;D



 
 

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Re: Dog mess and the health risks
« Reply #245 on: July 21, 2011, 09:50:22 am »
Dear All ,

Sorry to drag this up again but ... and before I go on my own dog is walked twice a day in the woods.

... but as is normal  in the Summer term we held Cubs at Gobions yesterday .

The top field ( next to the Car Park and Play Area ) was a total and utter disgrace with dog mess simply everywhere.

II am going over to clear what I can tonight.

If you exercise your dogs in Gobions ; get a grip , be responsible and pick 'it' up ! At the moment it is both unpleasant , unnecessary and a total health hazard .

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Re: Dog mess and the health risks
« Reply #246 on: July 21, 2011, 10:19:31 am »
it takes two mins to pick it up in a bag and carry it to a bin. if you have to keep it on you for the whole why not try taking a few bags with you and put it in more than on bag to stop the smell..  i have five dogs and i always take a minimum of five bages home with me or to the bin.
Some people have absolutely no respect for other people and the surrondings.
Gobians is a lovely place to walk and have a picinic. Keep it that way.
 

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Re: Dog mess and the health risks
« Reply #247 on: July 21, 2011, 10:36:09 am »
The Parish Council who are responsible for Gobions have powers to tackle dog mess, but at the moment are choosing not to use them for what I believe is financial reasons. However, if enough people contact their local councillors to complain it may become more of a priority for them in the future...
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Re: Dog mess and the health risks
« Reply #248 on: July 21, 2011, 11:38:46 am »
maybe someone should organise a poo pick up day. Where everyone who walks there dog can come and help clean it up. that way everyone has helped deal with their dog mess and other peoples
 

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Re: Dog mess and the health risks
« Reply #249 on: July 21, 2011, 12:53:08 pm »
maybe someone should organise a poo pick up day. Where everyone who walks there dog can come and help clean it up. that way everyone has helped deal with their dog mess and other peoples


I would most certainly participate in such an event having used Gobion's for many years to exercise successive furry friends and wanting to contribute to keeping it a beautiful place for all to enjoy.  It is a shame, however, that the attendees will all be people who already responsibly clean up after their own pets clearing up after those selfish people who don't.  Makes my blood boil when I see someone standing there watching their dog producing a steaming pile of **** and then just walking off nonchalantly.  I will, on occasion, point out their responsibility to them, but you have to be careful as you never know how they might react!
 

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Re: Dog mess and the health risks
« Reply #250 on: July 21, 2011, 01:21:03 pm »
Last night we were playing games in an area of probably 150 x 150 yards in the area nearest the car park / back gardens.

I would estimate we found 15- 20 of the little ' treasures' in that area alone . I have been visting the Open Space daily for 9 years and it's the worst I have encountered by far.

I'll be going over tonight at about 6.30 to clear it up .. my guess is it will be equally as bad by 2pm tomorrow when I know lots of families will be going over to Gobions to celebrate the start of the school holidays.

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Re: Dog mess and the health risks
« Reply #251 on: July 25, 2011, 02:44:22 pm »
The Parish Council who are responsible for Gobions have powers to tackle dog mess, but at the moment are choosing not to use them for what I believe is financial reasons. However, if enough people contact their local councillors to complain it may become more of a priority for them in the future...

What exactly do you suggest the parish council does?  All councils are having to watch their expenditure carefully.  So please do not suggest employing someone to patrol Gobions Open Space and the other areas of land owned by the parish council.  This is a national problem, not just here. 

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Re: Dog mess and the health risks
« Reply #252 on: July 25, 2011, 04:25:38 pm »
What exactly do you suggest the parish council does?  All councils are having to watch their expenditure carefully.  So please do not suggest employing someone to patrol Gobions Open Space and the other areas of land owned by the parish council.  This is a national problem, not just here.

Well since you asked.... :)

Obviously, I do not expect the Parish Council to have the resources to employ someone full time. However, could they not explore other options? The council does employ staff such as Groundsmen. Could their job description/working hours be changed to accommodate some more looking after of Gobions? Welwyn Hatfield Council does employ dog wardens. Could the Parish council pay for them for an hour or two each week to patrol their land?

From the figures provided by the Parish Council for the year 2009-2010, the Council spent around 19,500 maintaining facilities used by the Bowling Club (both the green and their use of the Burns Pavilion) whilst the Bowls Club only gave around 7,000 back to the council in rent and contributions for new equipment. This leaves a shortfall of 12,500. The council have said that the Bowls Club will be increasing their contribution year on year which will presumably free up council finances for other areas. Could some of the savings be used to pay for a part time dog warden?

The problem at the moment i see is there is no deterrent. Even if there was only someone patrolling for an hour or two a month, people would be caught and fined. That may be enough to persuade people to make the effort to pick up their mess after them. Whilst I commend the efforts of Southbury and others in picking up other people's mess and I appreciate the parish council has installed additional dog mess bins over the last few years, unless people are going to be hurt financially I cannot see the problem being solved any other way.
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Re: Dog mess and the health risks
« Reply #253 on: July 25, 2011, 05:56:50 pm »
What exactly do you suggest the parish council does?  All councils are having to watch their expenditure carefully.  So please do not suggest employing someone to patrol Gobions Open Space and the other areas of land owned by the parish council.  This is a national problem, not just here.

PCSOs have the power & local residents set the neighbourhood team priorities.
So go to your local panel meeting and ask them to tackle it.
 

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Re: Dog mess and the health risks
« Reply #254 on: July 26, 2011, 09:29:30 am »
The council are not going to be bothered by dog mess and employing someone to patrol gobians, it will be at the bottom of there list. We might have to all come up with an idea ourselves and pitch it to the council to say this is what we are going to do or want.
 

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Re: Dog mess and the health risks
« Reply #255 on: July 26, 2011, 09:39:39 am »
The council have a legal duty to ensure it is cleared up - they don't have a choice!

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/HomeAndCommunity/WhereYouLive/Streetcleaninglitterandillegaldumping/DG_10025986

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Re: Dog mess and the health risks
« Reply #256 on: July 26, 2011, 10:45:37 am »
Cheers James , that's very useful.

I'll file a report now.

I think we all know that it's ludicrous that we are in a situation where it is necessary to get the local authority to spend time and money it can ill afford on a matter that should never arise. However ,  in it's current state the Open Space gives rise to genuine 'health and safety ' issues. This is more pertinent now as the School holidays are on . My children are playing there right now.

The really frustrating thing is this issue should never arise. Sadly it does but  there is a perfectly free and simple solution to this awful problem ..

Dog Owners Be Responsible - there are NO EXCUSES. .. My family own a dog and we would NEVER not clean up after it . Never.
 

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Re: Dog mess and the health risks
« Reply #257 on: July 26, 2011, 04:29:37 pm »
Dog Owners Be Responsible - there are NO EXCUSES. .. My family own a dog and we would NEVER not clean up after it . Never.

The problem is that no matter how careful dog owners are in clearing up there will always be residue left behind that can be harmful. In New York they have areas for exercising dogs that are fenced off from areas where children play. Would that be a solution?  To have a dog zone where they can both exercise their legs and their bowels?

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Re: Dog mess and the health risks
« Reply #258 on: July 26, 2011, 04:41:00 pm »
I dont really understand the whole dog thing but why cant owners let them poo in their gardens then take them out for a walk....simples

I still think a dna database of all dogs (though impracticle) would be a great money spinner.

simply swab the poo-then fine the owner-sorted...


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Re: Dog mess and the health risks
« Reply #259 on: July 26, 2011, 07:53:58 pm »
BP That is gross and dogs dont work like that.
 

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Re: Dog mess and the health risks
« Reply #260 on: July 28, 2011, 08:40:09 am »
I think that is a brilliant idea to have a big exercise area enclosed off for the dogs. They have them all over america and are brilliant. But most of the American ones have a warden at the gate who takes like 1.00 of everyone who goes in, in oreder to keep the park there for the dogs. But you still have the problem of picking up poo, we would need to do it inside the doggy park, but with possibly more than one person in the area they can tell people off and make them pick it up. If someone proposes this to the council and it works in order to stop the people who dont pick it up from coming in we could put up laminated posters of the dogs (owners) whos poo hasnt been picked up and ban them..

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Re: Dog mess and the health risks
« Reply #261 on: July 28, 2011, 09:16:56 am »
I think the best policy is simply to rub their faces in it ( the owners, that is ) ;D
 

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Re: Dog mess and the health risks
« Reply #262 on: July 28, 2011, 03:46:17 pm »
The council does employ staff such as Groundsmen. Could their job description/working hours be changed to accommodate some more looking after of Gobions? Welwyn Hatfield Council does employ dog wardens. Could the Parish council pay for them for an hour or two each week to patrol their land?

The groundsmen are fully occupied particularly during the summer when the problem is at its highest.  They already get extra pay for emptying the dog litter bins - not a task the average person would wish to do.  The Welwyn Hatfield Council dog wardens and police have permission to patrol Gobions Open Space and the other open areas owned by the parish council.

I do like the idea of large signs at the entrances to each recreation ground and open space with graphic pictures etc of toddlers picking up dog dirt and the harmful medical effects of eating it.

From the figures provided by the Parish Council for the year 2009-2010, the Council spent around 19,500 maintaining facilities used by the Bowling Club (both the green and their use of the Burns Pavilion) whilst the Bowls Club only gave around 7,000 back to the council in rent and contributions for new equipment.

A bit of a red herring like saying money spent on speed cameras could be better used for re-carving the names on the war memorial to ensure they do not get obliterated.  This is purely a mythical example - nobody has asked for this to be done.   >:D

About 50,000 has been spent in recent years on upgrading childrens play areas.  Bowling is a very popular recreation for mainly older residents of our parish.   The football pitch at Welham Green costs far more to maintain than is every likely to be recovered by hire fees.  New goal posts are required since the existing ones have reached the end of their life.  The pitch needs marking out every week in the playing season.  Work is needed on the showers in the changing rooms and water heating boiler.  Why not close down the football pitch to fund a dog warden?  Decisions, decisions.  Who said life was easy? 

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Re: Dog mess and the health risks
« Reply #263 on: August 04, 2011, 09:41:50 am »
I dont really understand the whole dog thing but why cant owners let them poo in their gardens then take them out for a walk....simples

BP That is gross and dogs dont work like that.

I think you'll find guide dogs are trained to 'go' before going out
 

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Re: Dog mess and the health risks
« Reply #264 on: August 04, 2011, 12:34:47 pm »
Angel my comment "ew thats gross" was referring to the dog poo dna comment made by bp. If you read it properly.
We are not talking about guide dogs, we are talking about dogs in general.
The whole point of taking a dog for a walk, is not for it to see the scenery but to let the do a poo and wee otherwise there would be no point in having a dog or for that matter the dog being with you.
 

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Re: Dog mess and the health risks
« Reply #265 on: August 04, 2011, 02:43:28 pm »
I dont really understand the whole dog thing but why cant owners let them poo in their gardens then take them out for a walk....simples

BP That is gross and dogs dont work like that.

I think you'll find guide dogs are trained to 'go' before going out

As someone who has 'puppy walked' for the GDB I can tell you with certainty that guide dogs will, indeed, 'go' before working but on leisure walks they are as likely as any other dog to go wherever they choose.  Even if a dog does empty its bowels before a walk it doesn't guarantee it won't go again.
 

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Re: Dog mess and the health risks
« Reply #266 on: August 04, 2011, 02:57:21 pm »
Angel my comment "ew thats gross" was referring to the dog poo dna comment made by bp. If you read it properly.
We are not talking about guide dogs, we are talking about dogs in general.
The whole point of taking a dog for a walk, is not for it to see the scenery but to let the do a poo and wee otherwise there would be no point in having a dog or for that matter the dog being with you.
From my reading, you were implying that it was gross to let a dog use the owner's garden because you said "dogs dont work like that" - no mention of DNA in your post.  The reason I brought up Guide Dogs was because I thought they were trained to use the garden but EvieMay has told me (politely I might add) that that they may poo again when out.

I thought the whole point of taking a dog for a walk was for exercise and not to let it poo and wee everywhere!!
 

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Re: Dog mess and the health risks
« Reply #267 on: August 04, 2011, 04:43:33 pm »
Its common sense though, we go to the toilet before we leave the house but we don't hold it in untill we get home again do we..
 

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Re: Dog mess and the health risks
« Reply #268 on: August 04, 2011, 04:44:12 pm »
Thank you evie may
 

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Re: Dog mess and the health risks
« Reply #269 on: August 05, 2011, 11:27:54 am »
Liquorice, I think you may need to pay a visit to your doctor :)
 

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