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The Future of Hertfordshire's waste
« on: February 25, 2016, 01:15:35 pm »
Veolia recently announced a revised plan for dealing with Hertfordshire’s current residual waste: to build a 320,000tpa incinerator at a site called Rye House in Hoddesdon. 

Hertfordshire County Council’s Cabinet will decide on 14th March whether to accept or reject Veolia's revised plan.  Prior to that, on 4th March, the Community Safety and Waste Management Cabinet Panel will make its recommendation to Cabinet.

At present in Hertfordshire, about half of what households discard is being recycled.  Much of the remainder could and should be recycled or composted – to prevent it being sent to either landfill or incineration.  Our ability to maximise recycling and composting is threatened by the possibility that Hertfordshire County Council will extend its waste management contract with Veolia to 2050, locking us in to incineration and limiting the amount of recycling for generations to come.

We are asking HCC to reject Veolia’s new plan, and instead to adopt sustainable, local and flexible approaches to managing what we discard.

In this way, we would:
·      save valuable materials
·      reduce haulage of waste
·      avoid pollution of air and water
·      protect wildlife
·      create local jobs
·      and realise the aim of 'Reduce, Re-use and Recycle’.

If you are concerned, you may wish to sign the petition at
https://www.change.org/p/councillor-richard-thake-urge-herts-county-council-to-stop-incinerating-waste-and-raise-recycling-rates-instead?recruiter=39260012&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink


The Officer’s Report and Appendices for the meeting on 4th March, which are at Item 10, can be accessed from https://cmis.hertsdirect.org/hertfordshire/Calendarofcouncilmeetings/tabid/70/ctl/ViewMeetingPublic/mid/397/Meeting/414/Committee/53/SelectedTab/Documents/Default.aspx
 
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Re: The Future of Hertfordshire's waste
« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2016, 02:19:44 pm »
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Veolia cements relationship with Hertfordshire County Council - 13 September 2016
"Veolia has just signed a 30 year contract with Hertfordshire County Council worth £1 billion reinforcing its partnership with this county north of London. This project will recover energy from residual waste.

The energy recovery facility proposed by Veolia will make a major contribution towards meeting ambitious targets for waste management at the national level. It will generate up to 33.5 megawatts (MW) of electricity from the 350,000 tonnes of potential residual ‘black bin’ waste (that cannot be reused, recycled or composted) each year."

["Subject to planning permission, the construction work of the energy recovery facility will start in 2017, and will be operational in 2020."]

Taken from news release issued by Veolia http://www.veolia.co.uk/media/media/veolia-cements-relationship-hertfordshire-county-council


Hmmm...saw a brief paragraph on this in Thursday's Evening Standard's business pages. But couldn't find a press release on the HCC site or mention of it in the WHT - which seems odd.

It's times like this I think 'Wolfie' Smith's idea of taking out officials / politicians and lining them up against a brick wall has its merits.

Looks like HCC is hellbent on doing a deal with Veolia - no matter how much it costs us (finacially and physically) - and that's even if it ends up like New Barnfield.

Note: Edited to add quote box to clarify/separate what is from the news release and what is comment.
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Re: The Future of Hertfordshire's waste
« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2016, 04:46:52 pm »
Looks like HCC is hellbent on doing a deal with Veolia - no matter how much it costs us.

Playing with fire in more ways than one. Seems some councillors just like burning stuff.
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Re: The Future of Hertfordshire's waste
« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2016, 01:13:46 pm »

Fascinating - how HCC has signed a 30-year, £1 billion pound contract and not made any public comment about it (Veolia would have been legally obliged under Stock Exchange rules to issue a statement).


Perhaps they are trying to keep this on a back-burner  :icon_scratch:


http://www.hertfordshire.gov.uk/mediareleases/environment/
 
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Re: The Future of Hertfordshire's waste
« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2016, 11:55:00 am »

Fascinating - how HCC has signed a 30-year, £1 billion pound contract and not made any public comment about it (Veolia would have been legally obliged under Stock Exchange rules to issue a statement).

Perhaps they are trying to keep this on a back-burner  :icon_scratch:


Equally fascinating, perhaps, is that the site in Hoddesdon was considered unsuitable, for what is now being proposed, by HCC's Senior Planning Officer, Veolia's expert planning witness, and both HCC's and Veolia's Barristers at the New Barnfield Public Inquiry.

Reasons given were:
it is a safeguarded strategic rail aggregates depot;
it is located adjacent to the River Lea;
it is within an area subject to flood risk;
it is proximate to a RAMSAR designated site;
it lies on the extreme SE boundary of the County and is not well located to [Hertfordshire's] waste arisings and collections.

See also http://www.whtimes.co.uk/news/plan_b_to_hatfield_incinerator_project_stumbles_1_4704147

 

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Re: The Future of Hertfordshire's waste
« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2016, 11:08:56 am »
Indeed.

Still no comment from HCC on the deal:

http://www.hertfordshire.gov.uk/mediareleases/environment/

But there have been warnings - for years - that the UK is facing over-capacity in incinerators.

And if this is anything like the New Barnfield deal then HCC guarantees to provide Veolia with a certain tonnage of waste - or pay penalties.

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UK incinerator plans? They're just rubbish - Sunday 10 March 2013
"A wave of new publicly-funded incinerators being built to burn rubbish could be mothballed before they are even turned on, amid claims there will not be enough waste to fuel them."
http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/green-living/uk-incinerator-plans-theyre-just-rubbish-8527830.html

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UK may have to import rubbish for incinerators - Saturday 31 July 2010
"Waste Britain: Improved recycling rates mean that we may not have enough garbage to feed planned new plants "
http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/green-living/uk-may-have-to-import-rubbish-for-incinerators-2040614.html

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UK 2030 Recycling Already Limited to 66% – and Falling - November 2014
"Eunomia’s Seventh Residual Waste Infrastructure Review, out today, shows that the UK has more incineration capacity either currently operational or being built than is needed if the country is to hit the 70% recycling target being discussed by the European Commission...The report’s findings indicate that if infrastructure construction and waste exports both proceed as expected, the UK’s residual waste treatment capacity will exceed supply in 2017/18. If export of residual waste is stopped altogether, and no further capacity is built other than that which is already in construction, overcapacity will be reached in 2023/24. In both cases it is assumed that the UK makes steady progress towards current and prospective statutory targets for recycling."
http://www.eunomia.co.uk/uk-2030-recycling-already-limited-to-66-and-falling/
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Re: The Future of Hertfordshire's waste
« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2016, 11:46:20 am »

It also seems odd, given the Welwyn Hatfield Times' support for the New Barnfield anti-incinerator campaign, that they haven't mentioned the signing of the contract with Veolia.


However, this week's WHT starts its letters page with one from an Ian Metcalf of the Hoddesdon Society (accompanied by a photo of Hatfield anti-incinerator campaigners):


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Waste site still not suitable
It is not surprising that Herts County Council is struggling to gain support for its joint project with Veolia to burn Hertfordshire's waste and more besides in Hoddesdon [Welwyn Hatfield Times, September 9]


I haven't seen anything in the WHT about such a story. Also the WHT local edition is published on a Wednesday ie. 7 or 14 September, there was no 9 September edition.


Wondering whether it was relating to the online edition I did find a likely candidate - however, it seems odd for the paper to refer to an item in the electronic version without making that clear. And even that is dated 20/09/2016:


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Plan B to Hatfield incinerator project stumbles - 13:03 20 September 2016
13 months after the final defeat of its massively unpopular Hatfield incinerator project, County Hall is struggling to win favour for its preferred alternative plan.
http://www.whtimes.co.uk/news/plan_b_to_hatfield_incinerator_project_stumbles_1_4704147


Possibly it was issued on the 9th and updated / revised on the 20th?


All very strange. :icon_scratch:
 

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Re: The Future of Hertfordshire's waste
« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2017, 10:10:05 am »

OPPOSITION TO PROPOSED INCINERATOR AT HODDESDON

The campaign against a proposed incinerator at Hoddesdon (next to the Rye Meads Nature Reserve) now has a WEBSITE.
www.hoddesdon-against-incineration.co.uk

The PLANNING APPLICATION by Veolia to build an incinerator at Hoddesdon is now out to consultation, and responses should be made, if possible, by 1st March 2017.
People can easily respond by using a simple form on the Hoddesdon-against-incineration website.

As with the New Barnfield Campaign, there are many reasons against incineration, and many reasons against the chosen site.
Reasons against incineration are very clearly explained on the website of United Kingdon Without Incineration Network (UKWIN).
Reasons against the chosen site are very clearly explained on the website of Hoddesdon-against-incineration.
As with the New Barnfield Planning Application, it is important that responses to the consultation on the Planning Application do include the planning issues. Many of these are similar to those that were important in the New Barnfield campaign, including impact on the local people and environment. The details are all on the Hoddesdon-against-incineration website.

There is to be a PUBLIC MEETING about the proposed incinerator in Hoddesdon. Feb 23, 7.00 p.m. at The Spotlight, Hoddesdon, EN11 8BE. This meeting has been called by Broxbourne Council.
 

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Re: The Future of Hertfordshire's waste
« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2017, 11:06:44 am »
People can easily respond by using a simple form on the Hoddesdon-against-incineration website.

Interesting - using HCC library computers, when I got to the form I found the message:


"We're sorry, this content cannot be displayed. Please try again later."


on two of the browsers (IE and Google Chrome). However, it worked on Mozilla (at least it did!)

 

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Re: The Future of Hertfordshire's waste
« Reply #9 on: March 04, 2017, 11:50:51 am »
A picture paints a thousand words (and looking at the one in the article mine are not suitable for family websites):

Walker saddened by rubbish in Welwyn Garden City river
http://www.whtimes.co.uk/news/walker_saddened_by_rubbish_in_welwyn_garden_city_river_1_4915143

Disposable packaging focus of inquiry by Westminster watchdog
"The formal investigation will focus on plastic bottles and coffee cups and will be conducted by the Environmental Audit Committee"
http://news.sky.com/story/disposable-packaging-focus-of-inquiry-by-westminster-watchdog-10789197

Hallelujah! And about [expletive deleted] time. Hopefully, this will led to action and not just another talking shop. Otherwise, praise the Lord and pass the ammunition.


And if it does lead to action then a lot of potential incinerator fuel will be recycled instead.
 

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Re: The Future of Hertfordshire's waste
« Reply #10 on: March 05, 2017, 09:51:13 am »
Hoddesdon against Incineration have an excellent website at www.hoddesdon-against-incineration.co.uk    There's lots of information there.
If you want to support the Hoddesdon campaign, and stop a wasteful, polluting and unnecessary incinerator being built in Hertfordshire, you can object to Veolia's planning application. You can do this via the Hoddesdon against Incineration website, or direct to spatial.planning@hertfordshire.gov.uk (The case officer is Rob Egan).
Hatfield against Incineration committee have sent in an objection.
 

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Re: The Future of Hertfordshire's waste
« Reply #11 on: March 06, 2017, 04:06:58 pm »
I filed an objection via the Hoddesdon AI website - a form indicated it was successful (but I don't know for certain).

Incidentally, it's interesting how things change:

Most wood energy schemes are a 'disaster' for climate change
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-39053678

I wonder if the UH's CHP uses wood pellets.
 

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Re: The Future of Hertfordshire's waste
« Reply #12 on: March 07, 2017, 08:53:58 am »
UH have told us that the experimental wood-chip burning technology at the "energy centre" adjacent to Bishops Rise has been abandoned as a failure. (Smell especially a problem, and also noise, and lots of lorry deliveries of wood chips to feed it). Now they are using more conventional gas heating (I think).
Maybe if they had consulted with local residents more openly in the first place, and had made all the facts public, this fiasco could have been avoided.
 
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Re: The Future of Hertfordshire's waste
« Reply #13 on: March 10, 2017, 05:00:00 pm »
That's very interesting - didn't see anything about it in the WH Times.

We get fed a steady diet of the usual PR / propaganda stories and the disguised / obscured identities for the students behaving badly (ie instead of being described as UH students it'll be a xxxx-year-old from xxxx - often a Hatfield address).

Although in fairness to WHT, in this week's edition there's another letter and article on that perennial issue - student parking blighting local residents (in this instance it's Downs Road).

The Uni spouts the usual trite / tripe comments about doing something about it - as will the Council.

With the cost of repairing the grass verges they've destroyed coming out of Council tax funds it's high time offenders were fined.

But after reading similar items for years I won't be holding my breath.

As for consulting and avoiding the CHP fiasco that would have involved consideration and brains.

However, they did succeed in driving at least one long term Hatfield resident out of his home (which I hear they bought) before their project failed. So not a total loss from their perspective.

Frankly, as someone who once supported UH and hoped it would revive Hatfield's fortunes, I now look upon at least certain parts of the uni as dangerously out of control and evil - and those are not words I use lightly.

You also have to wonder about the sort of intellects that think they can insult / intimidate / torture someone into being friendly towards them (when a dim wit should be able to see the contradiction). And some of these at least are apparently the sorts of people 'treating' mental illness in others - small wonder the clear up rate is so bad!

Edited to add article link:

Anger over student parking ‘shambles’ in Hatfield
http://www.whtimes.co.uk/news/anger_over_student_parking_shambles_in_hatfield_1_4928280
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