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Archived sections - Campaigns and petitions and off topic
« on: October 15, 2015, 11:17:01 pm »
Some time ago we archived the old off-topic section of the forum because of the repeated posting of offensive material and because we wanted to keep the forum focused on local issues. We left the petitions and campaigns section live because we thought it would enable local residents to post about issues they thought had local relevance. However, understandable differences of opinion over which national campaigns might have local implications had started to confuse the issue. As a result the campaigns and petitions section was fast becoming the new off-topic, so we've archived that, too, to try to be consistent. I am as guilty as anyone for contributing to the confusion. Sorry for that.
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Re: Archived sections - Campaigns and petitions and off topic
« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2015, 02:46:24 pm »

It would be helpful (and apologies if this has already been published as I've clearly missed it) if there was some guidance as to what constitutes 'local' and at what point is a national issue considered to impact locally?
 
For example: this site has featured the TTIP, whereas I'd suggest that EU membership / immigration (it is impossible to divorce the two - latest proof of that being Turkey's demand for visa free travel for its nationals in exchange for cooperating on dealing with Syrian - real and claimed - refugees) has had a more immediate and massive impact on Hatfield, especially in the last decade (in what appears to be a deliberate strategy by local authorities).
 
So much so, that I frequently find that English is not the preferred language of the majority of people I encounter while walking around. Further more, there is a group of 6-8 East European addicts / rough sleepers hanging around the town centre (speaking to a shop manager in the town centre on Wednesday I was told they had defecated near his premises and threatened another shop manager who reported them to the police). While two council properties near me have been given to first generation African migrants (although, in the case of the one closest to me, we had a knock at the door to find some E. Europeans who wanted to come in and have a look around our house saying that they were interested in the council property but the official hadn't appeared and they wanted to see what the size of the rooms were like). Clearly this influx has implications for the number of properties required in the district - and not just in Hatfield.
 
 
 

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Re: Archived sections - Campaigns and petitions and off topic
« Reply #2 on: October 16, 2015, 03:57:52 pm »
It would be helpful (and apologies if this has already been published as I've clearly missed it) if there was some guidance as to what constitutes 'local' and at what point is a national issue considered to impact locally?

Hi trekbat,

Originally the site was set up to cover Brookmans Park but, soon after we launched we decided to cover the whole parish of North Mymms, including Welham Green, Water End, Bell Bar and Little Heath.

So, for example, an incident in Hatfield town centre such as the one you describe, doesn’t fall under the area covered, whereas the possibility of building an incinerator in Hatfield, which could discharge harmful emissions over the area covered by the site, does.

When we discuss planning we have tried to focus on the proposed housing for North Mymms and not Hatfield or Potters Bar, although some areas, such as Little Heath, straddle the border.

There will always be grey areas and the moderators have the difficult task of taking the final decision.

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Re: Archived sections - Campaigns and petitions and off topic
« Reply #3 on: October 16, 2015, 04:43:33 pm »

So, for example, an incident in Hatfield town centre such as the one you describe, doesn’t fall under the area covered, whereas the possibility of building an incinerator in Hatfield, which could discharge harmful emissions over the area covered by the site, does.

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Tne New Barnfield/Incinerator site IS in North Mymms!!
 

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Re: Archived sections - Campaigns and petitions and off topic
« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2015, 04:46:24 pm »
Tne New Barnfield/Incinerator site IS in North Mymms!!

Oops, thanks epiphany.  :-[  :-\
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Re: Archived sections - Campaigns and petitions and off topic
« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2015, 10:38:36 am »
Hi David,
 
Thanks for the clarification.
 
Although may I add, like the Syrian refugee crisis, if you wait till it becomes an issue in your neighbourhood it'll probably be too late to do much about it. But that's just my opinion.
 

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Re: Archived sections - Campaigns and petitions and off topic
« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2015, 06:43:56 pm »
If you wait till it becomes an issue in your neighbourhood it'll probably be too late to do much about it. But that's just my opinion.

Hi trekbat,

Good point, but if we tried to anticipate the local relevance of every national/international issue we would probably be back to square one and would have to reintroduce the off-topic and campaigns and petitions sections.

I think we’ve learnt from the recent experiences and have come to the realisation that the answer seems to be to try to keep things local for now. However we review this issue on a regular basis.

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Re: Archived sections - Campaigns and petitions and off topic
« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2015, 11:16:40 am »
I found all the useful details of our little heath action group information had disappeared over night. We had a large volume of hits and now our members cannot find the info.  Its very disappointing. What should we do now to let our members and others keep up to date?

 

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Re: Archived sections - Campaigns and petitions and off topic
« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2015, 03:12:14 pm »
I found all the useful details of our little heath action group information had disappeared over night. We had a large volume of hits and now our members cannot find the info.  Its very disappointing. What should we do now to let our members and others keep up to date?

They are all restored. You had posted your local plan updates in the recently archived 'campaigns and petitions' section whereas the Brookmans Park Local Plan posts were in the active 'environment' section. I have moved all your posts over to the live 'environment' section and they are all visible again. Sorry about that. In future please use the environment section. Thanks David
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Re: Archived sections - Campaigns and petitions and off topic
« Reply #9 on: October 20, 2015, 03:31:57 pm »
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Re: Archived sections - Campaigns and petitions and off topic
« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2015, 03:52:02 pm »
It's a local site for local people...

Isn't that how the National Socialist German Workers' Party started in Germany?
 

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Re: Archived sections - Campaigns and petitions and off topic
« Reply #11 on: October 21, 2015, 06:46:03 pm »
It's a local site for local people...

Isn't that how the National Socialist German Workers' Party started in Germany?

What, by launching a community forum in a small commuter village?   :o
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Re: Archived sections - Campaigns and petitions and off topic
« Reply #12 on: October 22, 2015, 01:24:47 pm »
No, by excluding people based on perceived differences of interests; banning discussion of 'difficult' subjects etc.

Damn - I think I just proved Godwin's Law.

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Re: Archived sections - Campaigns and petitions and off topic
« Reply #13 on: October 22, 2015, 03:08:15 pm »
No, by excluding people based on perceived differences of interests; banning discussion of 'difficult' subjects etc.

We are not excluding people because of "perceived differences of interests". Everyone is welcome on the forum if they want to discuss local issues within the forum guidelines. But we don't aim to cover Hatfield, Welwyn Garden City, Cuffley or Potters Bar. Some of those communities have their own online forums. Over the years I have tried, clumsily some might say (and they would probably be right), to keep discussion on topics about Brookmans Park, Welham Green and the community of North Mymms. Information that might interest that community, such as police warnings that are issued for the whole of Hertfordshire, is also included.

For the record, 'difficult' subjects, whatever they are, are not banned. If a subject is local we can discuss it.
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