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Scout hut bonfire on first good weekend of the year!!
« on: April 20, 2013, 05:30:46 pm »
I am so disappointed that yet again the scouts have lit a stinking bonfire - this time on the first beautiful weekend that we can get out in the garden and hang out our washing!  (I work long hours during  the week - the weekend is sacred to me and many other people.)

As usual we could smell the smoke in Peplins and so I went round to ask them to put it out.  I spoke to a man who was just driving away (yes - that was me that  flagged you down) and asked him to put it out.  I was told it was OK because it would go out in an hour (how would you know if you weren't there  to safely supervise it??).  Last time they lit it the smoke was blowing directly over Peplins for several days and nights and we could not open the windows.

I asked why they had lit a bonfire on such a beautiful day, and was told they meant to do it in March but the weather was too bad - my heart bleeds!

I pointed out they should not be lighting a bonfire at all but taking the cuttings to recycle at the dump - I was told there was too much to take -  well tough!

What message does this give the scouts - that it is OK to pollute the atmosphere and distress the neighbours??  That it is too much effort to recycle?

Why not teach the scouts that the environment is fragile; that recycling is important; get them involved in recycling by each of their parents taking some of cuttings in their cars; and teach them it is important to have consideration for their neighbours.

Please, please, please don't do this again - you need support from your neighbours so please consider them.
 

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Re: Scout hut bonfire on first good weekend of the year!!
« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2013, 10:12:39 am »
Its a shame that the day it suits people to light fires is never the day that is cold and wintery when no one is outside and all windows are shut. I just wish folk were a bit more thoughtful about others. We have this problem here also with bonfires on sunny days. :(
 

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Re: Scout hut bonfire on first good weekend of the year!!
« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2013, 05:41:26 pm »
JacquiW, on behalf of the Scout Group I'd like to appologise to you and anyone else annoyed by our fire yesterday. The Scouts are very much part of the local community and it was thoughtless of us to light the fire on such a beautiful day.

Once a year we do a spring clean of the hut, helped by the scouts and their parents. This generates a large amount of rubbish to be disposed of. Ideally we would take this down the dump, but with the limited time parents have to help, the queues at the dump and the quantity of rubbish to be disposed of we normally burn whatever we can. This is partly why the spring clean is normally done mid to late March when the weather normally means a fire isn't such an inconvenience.  This year, with the endless winter and no spring, the weather was unsuitable to do the external work to the hut, so we delayed the cleanup to what turned out to be more like a summer's day.

I am not defending out actions, but the scouts don't light large numbers of fires at the hut. During the summer and early autumn we normally meet in Tolmers and light fires there for cooking. We may occasionally light fires on dry winter or spring evenings, but these tend to be small and are always extinguished by the leaders at the end of the evening.

Please accept our appology and we will take more care next year.
 

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Re: Scout hut bonfire on first good weekend of the year!!
« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2013, 01:44:15 am »
Once a year we do a spring clean of the hut, helped by the scouts and their parents. This generates a large amount of rubbish to be disposed of.

Hi John,

What sort of 'rubbish' have you been burning?  I presume if it's from cleaning the hut it's not twigs and branches. I am not sure what category the scout hut falls under as it is pobably not domestic or commercial/trade - but WHC has guidelines for both (embedded below). Perhaps there is an exception for scout huts, but I couldn't find it. From what you write in your post you intend to have another bonfire next year either on 'dry winter or spring evenings'. Shouldn't the proper response be that bonfires will no longer take place at the scout hut?  Perhaps, in future, each parent could take away some of the 'rubbish' for recycling or taking to the dump?

We may occasionally light fires on dry winter or spring evenings, but these tend to be small and are always extinguished by the leaders at the end of the evening. Please accept our appology and we will take more care next year.

The WHC guidelines on domestic bonfires.

<a href="http://www.welhat.gov.uk/CHttpHandler.ashx?id=1481&amp;p=0" target="_blank">http://www.welhat.gov.uk/CHttpHandler.ashx?id=1481&amp;p=0</a>

The WHC guidelines on commercial bonfires.

<a href="http://www.welhat.gov.uk/CHttpHandler.ashx?id=1482&amp;p=0" target="_blank">http://www.welhat.gov.uk/CHttpHandler.ashx?id=1482&amp;p=0</a>

As WHC says:

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Bonfires are not an acceptable method of disposing of domestic garden rubbish or commercial trade waste.

http://www.welhat.gov.uk/index.aspx?articleid=258
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Re: Scout hut bonfire on first good weekend of the year!!
« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2013, 02:28:06 pm »
Why not just make sure there is an easterly-ish (ie away from the houses the other side of the railway) wind before lighting the fire.
 

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Re: Scout hut bonfire on first good weekend of the year!!
« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2013, 05:41:26 pm »
Why not clean out the hut more regularly, producing smaller and more managable quantities of
rubbish that can be disposed of responsibly?
 

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Re: Scout hut bonfire on first good weekend of the year!!
« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2013, 06:08:47 pm »
During the spring clean the rubbish burnt is a varied. It includes broken trestles we can no longer fix, paper and card we can no longer make use of, but it also includes twigs and branches from cleaning up the outside areas.

We will have a fire next year, but not at the same time of year. A lot of waste is produced, too much for one car. What canít be burnt is already taken down the dump by parents, with some making several trips. If we use our trailer we wonít be allowed in the dump. While our GSL is a remarkable man, even he canít dictate which direction of the wind will blow in advance.
We could clean out the hut more frequently (the same weekend in March is regular), but frankly I donít want to. The leaders give up a great deal of their time to what is a community activity, sacrificing many evenings and weekends every year. We also have families, homes and gardens of our own to look after. The parents are brilliant and some go above and beyond what we ask of them, but they too have other demands on their time.

Scouting is a community activity and benefits many people directly. By giving young people an outlet for their energy it benefits many more indirectly. We try to be good neighbours and I think we mostly succeeded. Iím sorry we spoilt a lovely spring day for some, but one large fire once year in March isnít really too much to ask. If anyone feels it is weíd be delighted for more volunteers with cars to help drive more rubbish to the tip. 
 

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Re: Scout hut bonfire on first good weekend of the year!!
« Reply #7 on: April 22, 2013, 06:25:47 pm »


Scouting is a community activity and benefits many people directly. By giving young people an outlet for their energy it benefits many more indirectly. We try to be good neighbours and I think we mostly succeeded. Iím sorry we spoilt a lovely spring day for some, but one large fire once year in March isnít really too much to ask. If anyone feels it is weíd be delighted for more volunteers with cars to help drive more rubbish to the tip.

Hear, hear! I can't believe there is so much fuss being made over a yearly bonfire!
 

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Re: Scout hut bonfire on first good weekend of the year!!
« Reply #8 on: April 22, 2013, 11:58:13 pm »

Hear, hear! I can't believe there is so much fuss being made over a yearly bonfire!

IMO Jacqui W had a valid point and it was worth mentioning in this forum.  After all, we are now entering the season when many of us may be considering tidying up our gardens and having a bonfire.  It is a timely reminder for us all to consider our neighbours and only as a last resort have a fire, ensuring we pick an appropriate time of day when less nuisance to our neighbours will be caused.
 

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Re: Scout hut bonfire on first good weekend of the year!!
« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2013, 09:40:15 am »
I agree with Evie May - feels like a bit of a witch hunt against the Scout Hut - there are far mre persistant offenders than this. I think once or twice a year is reasonable.... I wouldn't complain about a neighbour who did it that infrequently. The couts do a fantasic job, but it is only pssible with parental help (the scout hut is run on a shoestring budget)
 

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Re: Scout hut bonfire on first good weekend of the year!!
« Reply #10 on: April 23, 2013, 01:37:05 pm »
I agree with Evie May - feels like a bit of a witch hunt against the Scout Hut

No witch hunt intended - sorry if it came across that way. I was just attempting to offer an
alternative as it sounds like the majority of waste produced could be readily recycled.
 

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Re: Scout hut bonfire on first good weekend of the year!!
« Reply #11 on: April 23, 2013, 02:41:26 pm »
Epiphany - you didn't offend me!  :)

I just think although bonfires get mentioned a lot(!), we don't go on line and say "could mr green of 12 high street please not light a bonfire"..... but the scouts are fair game? The OP spoke to the scout leader - surely matter closed - in the same way as if you were offended by a neighbour. The scout leader in question gives up an amazing amount of his personal time with the groups he leads - if the smoke had blown my way, and I knew it was from the scout hut I wouldn't be offended (or anyone else's smoke, provided it's not a regular thing)

And before anyone jumps on me - I don't light bonfires myself!
 

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Re: Scout hut bonfire on first good weekend of the year!!
« Reply #12 on: April 23, 2013, 03:10:05 pm »
we don't go on line and say "could mr green of 12 high street please not light a bonfire"

I've got to get rid of the bodies somehow, you can't cart them down the dump!
 

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Re: Scout hut bonfire on first good weekend of the year!!
« Reply #13 on: April 23, 2013, 09:57:52 pm »
 ;D roflmfao
 

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