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Warning - pothole outside Statons on Bradmore Green
« on: December 23, 2012, 04:51:20 pm »
I have just seen 3 miners come out of the pothole that is outside of Statons estate agents. This road was done a few years ago. What a waste of our money, the job was a bodge and the potholes are even worse. I have witnessed a couple of older people hitting the curb after going down the hole. Coome on WH Council pull your fingers out, and get this mine shaft repaired.
 

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Re: Warning - pothole outside Statons on Bradmore Green
« Reply #1 on: December 23, 2012, 05:07:18 pm »
Hi The Rock, Have you reported this or checked if already reported on HCC web site? https://eservices.hertsdirect.org/SitePages2/FaultReporting.aspx  or log on http://www.fixmystreet.com/?keyword=highway%20problem&creativeid=1832763579&gclid=CIuE1ryBsbQCFUbKtAodOwUALw whilst good residents of BP know to look out for this whilst visiting the village, has actually anyone reported it?
 

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Re: Warning - pothole outside Statons on Bradmore Green
« Reply #2 on: December 23, 2012, 06:07:25 pm »
Now reported on Fix My Street.
 

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Re: Warning - pothole outside Statons on Bradmore Green
« Reply #3 on: December 24, 2012, 04:44:33 pm »
Well done John!, now know were to report things.
 

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Re: Warning - pothole outside Statons on Bradmore Green
« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2012, 10:03:06 am »
Just interested to know if this is really an official site ? Looking at fixmystreet it says information is not passed to the council so it must rely on the council looking at it themselves.

Is there not an official way of reporting these sort of things on the official Welwyn Hatfield site ?
 

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Re: Warning - pothole outside Statons on Bradmore Green
« Reply #5 on: December 28, 2012, 10:45:00 am »
Just interested to know if this is really an official site ? Looking at fixmystreet it says information is not passed to the council so it must rely on the council looking at it themselves.

Is there not an official way of reporting these sort of things on the official Welwyn Hatfield site ?

Best place to report a fault is on the official Herts Co Co site.  Go here...

https://eservices.hertsdirect.org/SitePages2/FaultReporting.aspx

From the drop down select Road/Cycleway, from the next drop down select Pothole info, fill in the details, zoom in on the map, click the spot, add your contact details, press save and you are done.

I have just reported it and got a confirmation that the report was received.

It probably won't do any harm for others to report it too.

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Re: Warning - pothole outside Statons on Bradmore Green
« Reply #6 on: December 28, 2012, 11:25:43 am »
Just got this in an email from the council.

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Dear David Brewer,

The status of your highway fault has changed.
Enquiry Number: 201004956702
Subject: Pothole 7 dy permanent repair
Description:
Reported: 28/12/2012 10:32
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Street: Bradmore Green
Town: Hatfield
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Status: Closed,
We have already received notification of this report and are responding to it under 1743910. Thank you for your report.

So it seems it's all in hand.
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Re: Warning - pothole outside Statons on Bradmore Green
« Reply #7 on: December 28, 2012, 12:14:30 pm »
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Dear Enquirer,

The status of your highway fault has changed.
Enquiry Number: 201004951461
Subject: Pothole 7 dy permanent repair
Description:
Reported: 23/12/2012 18:10
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Street: Bradmore Green
Town: Hatfield
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Status: Closed,
We have already received notification of this report and are responding to it under 1743910. Thank you for your report.

Same mail. Let's see if the fix it.
 

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Re: Warning - pothole outside Statons on Bradmore Green
« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2013, 11:10:25 pm »
.... if you thought that pot hole was bad, you should be glad you weren't on this road in Oxfordshire!

http://www.itv.com/news/meridian/story/2013-01-02/road-torn-in-two/
 

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Re: Warning - pothole outside Statons on Bradmore Green
« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2013, 10:28:52 pm »
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Dear Enquirer,

The status of your highway fault has changed.
Enquiry Number: 201004951461
Subject: Pothole 7 dy permanent repair
Description:
Reported: 23/12/2012 18:10
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Street: Bradmore Green
Town: Hatfield
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Status: Closed,
We have already received notification of this report and are responding to it under 1743910. Thank you for your report.

Same mail. Let's see if the fix it.
They have thrown some tarmac in the worse two but have left a third pothole within inches that will be as large as the others in 7 - 14 days.
 

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Re: Warning - pothole outside Statons on Bradmore Green
« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2013, 01:17:02 pm »
They have thrown some tarmac in the worse two but have left a third pothole within inches that will be as large as the others in 7 - 14 days.

It's a start. At least they took action after receiving the report. I wonder if they have the resources to do a proper job on all potholes?  Perhaps it's a patch up job prior to a proper job being done in the future.
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Re: Warning - pothole outside Statons on Bradmore Green
« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2013, 04:12:10 pm »
They have thrown some tarmac in the worse two but have left a third pothole within inches that will be as large as the others in 7 - 14 days.

It's a start. At least they took action after receiving the report. I wonder if they have the resources to do a proper job on all potholes?  Perhaps it's a patch up job prior to a proper job being done in the future.
It would have taken them no more 5 minutes to do the third hole, why send a truck, staff, equipment and material again in a week or two for the inevitable repair that will materialise - waste of time and money and shows the ineptitude of the people we intrust to spend public money wisely.
 

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Re: Warning - pothole outside Statons on Bradmore Green
« Reply #13 on: January 06, 2013, 05:40:48 pm »
I agree. The third hole is next to the others. Car do notpark on that side of the road, so it would have been clearly visible. The additional cost of fixing it while they were there was effectively zero. It will expand if we have much more rain or if we get a few days of sub zero temperatures. Then they will have to schedule a second visit, thereby doubling the cost.
 

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Re: Warning - pothole outside Statons on Bradmore Green
« Reply #14 on: February 17, 2013, 03:53:11 pm »
Well! Well! Well!, As I have said in a prvious posting. Guess What!!!! The 3 Holse that the Council repaired are Back and this time one of them is even deeper. What a pathetic load of Bodgers these Council/sub contractors are. They do a pathetic job, then return a few months later and get paid over and over again for the same Job that should have been done correct in bthe first place. Who is checking the work of these bodgers and whi is sanctioning the payment for this work???   Come on do the job correct because its coming out of our Taxes.   Get rid of the Bodgers Now.
 

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Re: Warning - pothole outside Statons on Bradmore Green
« Reply #15 on: February 18, 2013, 02:50:32 pm »
holes reported to WHC via

fixmystreet.com

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Re: Warning - pothole outside Statons on Bradmore Green
« Reply #16 on: February 18, 2013, 03:54:42 pm »
Well done, could not contact any of the Council sites. Lets see how long when repaired the new pothole last.
 

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Re: Warning - pothole outside Statons on Bradmore Green
« Reply #17 on: March 08, 2013, 06:57:45 pm »
Well done, could not contact any of the Council sites. Lets see how long when repaired the new pothole last.
The previously "repaired" potholes have manifested again following two previous attempts to remedy, all in the space of a few weeks, in addition that whole strip of road has fallen into disrepair due to previous inadequate repairs.

I ask through this forum that Grant Shapps takes this matter up with both Mr Steve Dibben Highways Locality Manager and Stuart Pile Executive Member for Highways & Transport to put to them -

1) Under their watch why has this appalling waste of public money been allowed.

2) Why is there no quality controls in place.

3) when is the road going to be returned to a reasonable standard to enable pedestrians and vehicles to use this road without risk of injury or damage to vehicles.

4) who is ultimately responsible for this neglect, and will they be brought to account.

This is public money being spent on public highways by public employees, the public deserve answers.
 

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Re: Warning - pothole outside Statons on Bradmore Green
« Reply #18 on: March 08, 2013, 08:14:54 pm »
Roads maintenance was re-tendered about a year ago to Ringway http://www.constructionenquirer.com/2012/03/27/ringway-lands-420m-herts-highways-deal/, but appears not is well with this contract as reported in The Welwyn Hatfield Times, March 6th http://www.whtimes.co.uk/news/six_figure_highways_fraud_allegations_reported_to_police_1_1966509 Of course we don't know if this problem is the result of any poor workmanship or inferior materials or processes, but if Hertfordshire Highways are indeed responsible for this section of roadway, there may be questions to be asked.
 

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Re: Warning - pothole outside Statons on Bradmore Green
« Reply #19 on: March 10, 2013, 09:39:38 pm »
These Potholes have been so called fixed at least 5 times. Each time the Jobs a Bodge! The last time about a month ago 2 cowboys did the job and what a bodge job. The whole performance by the Council is a Pathetic JOKE. As I have said in prvious post lets see how long it is before it needs repairing again., and lo and behold its another bodge. I wonder who looks at the finished job and WHO! gives permission for payment to the cowboys????. Lets hope our wonderful Highways department look into this Minor bodge job that must have cost a Fortune and is still unfinished!!  Somebody needs a Giant Boot up their A**e AND THE sack.
 

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Re: Warning - pothole outside Statons on Bradmore Green
« Reply #20 on: March 10, 2013, 11:28:12 pm »
These Potholes have been so called fixed at least 5 times. Each time the Jobs a Bodge! The last time about a month ago 2 cowboys did the job and what a bodge job. The whole performance by the Council is a Pathetic JOKE. As I have said in prvious post lets see how long it is before it needs repairing again., and lo and behold its another bodge. I wonder who looks at the finished job and WHO! gives permission for payment to the cowboys????. Lets hope our wonderful Highways department look into this Minor bodge job that must have cost a Fortune and is still unfinished!!  Somebody needs a Giant Boot up their A**e AND THE sack.

It won't happen, a job on the Council is a safe job for life, idiot or knowledgeable. It is why most are City Bankers!!!
 

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Re: Warning - pothole outside Statons on Bradmore Green
« Reply #21 on: March 11, 2013, 01:25:57 pm »
This pothole saga has been handled so badly. Someone must have agreed the work and signed it off. They should be called to account to find out why they were unable to do a proper job.
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Re: Warning - pothole outside Statons on Bradmore Green
« Reply #22 on: March 13, 2013, 06:12:27 pm »
Well done, could not contact any of the Council sites. Lets see how long when repaired the new pothole last.
The previously "repaired" potholes have manifested again following two previous attempts to remedy, all in the space of a few weeks, in addition that whole strip of road has fallen into disrepair due to previous inadequate repairs.

I ask through this forum that Grant Shapps takes this matter up with both Mr Steve Dibben Highways Locality Manager and Stuart Pile Executive Member for Highways & Transport to put to them -

1) Under their watch why has this appalling waste of public money been allowed.

2) Why is there no quality controls in place.

3) when is the road going to be returned to a reasonable standard to enable pedestrians and vehicles to use this road without risk of injury or damage to vehicles.

4) who is ultimately responsible for this neglect, and will they be brought to account.

This is public money being spent on public highways by public employees, the public deserve answers.
Grant will you respond?
 

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Re: Warning - pothole outside Statons on Bradmore Green
« Reply #23 on: March 16, 2013, 08:50:54 pm »
I saw the 2 men repairing the old pothole. It took them longer to unload the lorry of the tools than it did to repair the potholes. Today the holes are getting deeper all thanks to our wonderful skilled tradesmen that we the taxpayer pays for.  Enough is enough I know that it's not a major job but do it right in the first place not 5 times. Someone must be made to answer for this pathetic workmanship, so come on Mr Shapps it's your road as well and you pay the taxes so get the Cowboys sorted out and ask questions on why we are paying these badgers.
 

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Re: Warning - pothole outside Statons on Bradmore Green
« Reply #24 on: March 17, 2013, 10:43:39 am »
I saw the 2 men repairing the old pothole. It took them longer to unload the lorry of the tools than it did to repair the potholes. Today the holes are getting deeper all thanks to our wonderful skilled tradesmen that we the taxpayer pays for.  Enough is enough I know that it's not a major job but do it right in the first place not 5 times. Someone must be made to answer for this pathetic workmanship, so come on Mr Shapps it's your road as well and you pay the taxes so get the Cowboys sorted out and ask questions on why we are paying these badgers.
Perhaps Grant will have the courtesy to tell us why he cant respond?
 

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Re: Warning - pothole outside Statons on Bradmore Green
« Reply #25 on: March 17, 2013, 09:34:44 pm »
Hi Larrylamb,

The only reason I hadn't responded was that I  hadn't spotted the thread.

I will however report this again, along with several others including the holes nearby the Raj and Statons.

Two helpful points. if you ever need me for anything then just contact me direct at  www.shapps.com/contact which is more reliable than just hoping I'll spot the thread.

The other comment is about the way that the County handles road repairs which is supposed to be with a quick fix followed by a permanent repair. So the initial response is not intended to last for long.

 I often wonder whether that makes sense, so just passing on.

Best
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Re: Warning - pothole outside Statons on Bradmore Green
« Reply #26 on: March 18, 2013, 08:04:10 am »
Hey Grant

Fixmystreet.com

is a good catch all for reporting local issues. saves messing around on the phone.

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Re: Warning - pothole outside Statons on Bradmore Green
« Reply #27 on: March 19, 2013, 12:09:31 pm »
The other comment is about the way that the County handles road repairs which is supposed to be with a quick fix followed by a permanent repair. So the initial response is not intended to last for long.

I often wonder whether that makes sense, so just passing on.

I cycled past Statons this morning and the road looks like it's been carpet bombed. The same defects have been repaired several times and it can't be the volume of traffic that's causing their need for continual re-repair.

The quality of permanent repairs that are being carried out for the council needs to be questioned. I cycle most days between BP and Potters Bar and even on this short stretch of road, there are numerous examples of 'permanent' repairs that do not stand the test of even a short amount of time.

I hope, but doubt, that re-repairs within a certain timeframe are being carried out under some form of guarantee from the contractor and not at the expense of the taxpayer.



 

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Re: Warning - pothole outside Statons on Bradmore Green
« Reply #28 on: March 23, 2013, 07:29:01 pm »
Hi Larrylamb,

The only reason I hadn't responded was that I  hadn't spotted the thread.

I will however report this again, along with several others including the holes nearby the Raj and Statons.

Two helpful points. if you ever need me for anything then just contact me direct at  www.shapps.com/contact which is more reliable than just hoping I'll spot the thread.

The other comment is about the way that the County handles road repairs which is supposed to be with a quick fix followed by a permanent repair. So the initial response is not intended to last for long.

 I often wonder whether that makes sense, so just passing on.

Best
Grant
Thanks for replying.

However as our MP my expectations of you are that you would do a little more than just report the pot holes. Perhaps a photograph of you standing in the pot holes by the local press might shame these incompetents at highways into action. It seems to me that Mr Stuart Pile, executive member of highways position has become untenable and he should resign immediately over this contractors fiasco. All we get is words, explanations and promises when all we want is performance. He blames the contractor when he was party to appointing them!

It goes without saying, taking the various taxes of the public by goverment agencies is a fairly slick exercise, putting some tarmac in a hole, it appears, is not.

Moffats Lane is probably one of the worst stretches of road I have come across, Apart from the obvious damage this is doing to peoples vehicles, it is a noise nuisance like travelling over a cattle grate. Highways resurfaced the Grove recently which was already in a far better condition, where is the logic in that?

The biggest worry is that drivers are now having to spend more time looking at the road surface rather than, as the highway code states looking ahead for potential hazards.

This whole episode is nothing short of criminal negligence.
 

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Re: Warning - pothole outside Statons on Bradmore Green
« Reply #29 on: March 23, 2013, 10:22:24 pm »
Well said Larrylamb!  We are not making a fuss over a few potholes but the way the job has been carried out and paid for so many times by us the taxpayer. As regards Moffats Lane say no more! The whole pothole and road repair is one Great Joke. Someone somewhere is passing these jobs and WHY!

The pathetic Council should start gritting the Lane, because when the ice and snow cover the potholes this is when the trouble starts.  Lets hope we can get a few answers on here on How MUCH! The pothole repairs to the road outside statons has cost us the taxpayer over the last 3 years! Someone somewhere is on a nice little earner! I wonder who that person or persons are?
 

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