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Re: Welham Green Youth Skate Park Group
« Reply #30 on: July 26, 2012, 02:19:37 pm »
Thats a shame... :icon_scratch: Wonder what the reasons were for refusing? Fear of the unknown I guess!! In my experience Skaters are a pretty open minded low key bunch.

So guess its back to local woods for the local "yoof" to light fires and generally hang out....every action has an equal and opposite one...

If anyones interested:

Walking over Waterloo Bridge have a look at the bridge supports-its where skaters leave their boards that have broken in half...

Also good is Cantalowes skate park at the back of Camden/Chalk Farm if people are stuck for another location.

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Re: Welham Green Youth Skate Park Group
« Reply #31 on: July 26, 2012, 02:40:50 pm »
I can imagine the howls of protest if the Government held a referendum and then went against the decision of the people.
 

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Re: Welham Green Youth Skate Park Group
« Reply #32 on: July 26, 2012, 02:47:47 pm »
Well done the parish council another blunder.
Please give the children an interest in the village or is that to much to ask.
I am now convinced when the parish council full election comes ther will be a few changes.

I wonder if there is a deep-rooted fear of young people?  That can often lead to poor decision making. For some, skate parks might mean trouble.  Have those councillors who voted against this got much experience working with young people?  Do they know how much this might mean to people who have little to do?  I am also interested in the average age of the councillors who voted against this. Not that age is an issue, but it is so easy to be out-of-touch and not understand the pressures young people are under.
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Re: Welham Green Youth Skate Park Group
« Reply #33 on: July 26, 2012, 05:26:36 pm »
The Parish Council at there meeting last night voted to turn down the application to build a Skate Park at Bushwood.

This is very strange after going to the trouble to hold a postal referendum which gave an overwhelming yes to the Skate Park for the youngsters of  Welham Green and surrounding areas.

I do wonder what was the reasons of those who voted against the plan, will we ever know.

So once again we send our youngsters back to the streets with nothing in the village to do.

Wake up Welham Green to the apathy that seems to have developed .

We all moan and gripe about things so lets all stand together for a better deal for all


Sorry about the length of this posting but there are a number of misconceptions.  In reply to Dave's comments, the average age of the parish councillors is over 60 but we do not have a deep-rooted fear of youngsters.  Far from it. For my part, I have two teenaged grandchildren in Welham Green and another three at Knebworth.  Other councillors also have children and grandchildren in their teens and twenties.  Councillors recognised that there is a need for more local activities for the teens and twenties in the village, both male and female, but there is a limit as to what is possible.  Peter Inci may not be aware of several attempts to have a youth club at the NM Youth and Community Centre which had to close due to bad behaviour.  'Foot' and 'shooting oneself' come to mind.

A pity that Peter Inci did not attend the meeting.  Only Peter Hastings and James Bentall attended although others did attend the previous one when the vote was 2 for, 3 against with 2 abstentions.  After further discussion the final decision was held over until yesterday evening to enable the Skate Park Group to produce more information and the missing councillors to participate in the vote.

The vote was against the location, not the principle of a skate park in or near Welham Green.  The information provided by the group was vague as to whether or not the proposed concrete structure would fit in that location taking into account the long-established football field.  There were other issues which also swayed the final vote.  The minutes of the meeting will be published on the parish council website after approval at the end of September (the parish council does not meet in August)

At the July meeting a copy schedule of responses (giving street names but not house numbers) was given to the Skate Park Group - no secrets!  A number of those in favour of a skate park on the playing field had reservations due to noise, supervision etc.  It was obvious that most of those in favour had children so one would expect them to be in favour. 

Peter Inci and 'Chicken Legs' are wrong to say it was a referendum.  It was seeking opinion so that an informed decision could be taken by parish councillors. The council leaflet was hand-delivered (not postal as stated by Peter Inci, with a collection box for responses at the Dellsome Lane Post Office) by the Skate Park Group and circumstantial evidence indicated that it was not delivered to all homes and businesses as they were asked to do.  'Foot' and 'shooting oneself' come to mind once again. So one cannot say if the result was a fair representation of all villagers.  Parish Councillors do not know how many were actually delivered.

The Group was recommended to reconsider locating the skate park at the Youth and Community Centre.  There is a clue in the name!

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Re: Welham Green Youth Skate Park Group
« Reply #34 on: July 26, 2012, 09:23:09 pm »
In reply to Bob Horrocks post i am very aware of the problems there has been at NM Youth and Community Centre in the past
but there's the clue in the past.
Having visited the Centre a couple of Friday's ago i was so pleased to see the large amount of children having a great time.
They were playing football and badmington under the supervision of James Bentall and an array of willing helpers.
I know James has had problems at the centre but has he given up? no he has not! what an inspiration to the rest of us.
I am sorry i did not attend the Parish Counci Meeting last night, which i had wished to do . but i am afraid a prior medical appointment would not allow me to do so.
My commitment to Welham Green is 100%. I attended a Parish Council Steering Commitee meeting on Monday evening
And after i close my shop in Dellsome parade which i work at from 9am to 5.30pm i as i am doing this evening spend my time
trying to get to grips with the local problems.
I am fast approaching seventy with the mind and ambition of a twenty year old.

Re my slip on referendum i thought a referendum was to let people decide if they wanted to accept an idea which had been suggested or not, perhaps not politicaly correct but suited to this decision.

I to have chidren,grandchildren and great grandchildren who if they have things to do and interests locally are never in trouble.

I see there was a suggestion that the skate park would be better suited at NM Youth &  Community Centre which i believe is leased from the Borough Council, i was therefore wondering if the Parish Council would perhaps be able to provide some funding towards setting up the Skate Park if passed by The Planning Department.

We all seem to be very fragmented can we not get together for the common good of all.

Peter Inci




 

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Re: Welham Green Youth Skate Park Group
« Reply #35 on: July 26, 2012, 11:50:20 pm »
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Peter Inci may not be aware of several attempts to have a youth club at the NM Youth and Community Centre which had to close due to bad behaviour.  'Foot' and 'shooting oneself' come to mind.

Average attendance of young people at the community centre at youth club for weekly meetings this term has been 140 young people aged 9-16 - of which around 88% are from Welham Green or Brookmans Park. This makes it one of the larger youth projects in Hertfordshire.

I am sure the youth and community centre will be happy to confirm that the amount of damage done to the centre has been úzero -  in fact, the same as it was last year as well which was our first year or operation. I do not think it is fair to tar all youngsters with the same brush. We have in fact improved the environment of the community centre during being there - local residents may have noticed that the steam there is now completely free of litter, overhanging branches and dead wood etc impeding the flow due to our efforts there last month. We will continue to work on improving the habitat of the grounds, including the new path and footbridge we constructed last year, and regularly strimming the paths near the field to keep them accessible. Most of the work listed above was done by the young people themselves!
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Re: Welham Green Youth Skate Park Group
« Reply #36 on: July 27, 2012, 06:03:33 am »
Very well said, lets all work with the facts of the present and not the past as some people appear to do.
It again shows given leadership and time the youngsters will respond in a positive way.
The trouble makers are a small minority, we know who they are.
Surely reward the good ones with our help and time


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Re: Welham Green Youth Skate Park Group
« Reply #37 on: July 27, 2012, 07:11:51 am »
I do wonder what was the reasons of those who voted against the plan, will we ever know.

From the points raised in the discussion, councillors were concerned about...

* Noise and disruption to nearby residents, particularly those that live in Gould Close
* The visual intrusion of having a 1.8 metre tall concrete structure on the playing field
* Possible damage to the trees caused by the concrete foundation
* Leaf fall from the trees which would be overhanging the park's location causing health and safety issues if they were not removed
* The relatively narrow space (2 metres) provided each side from the highest point of the skate park which meant that if anyone fell from the top they could potentially fall down quite a steep bank
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Re: Welham Green Youth Skate Park Group
« Reply #38 on: July 27, 2012, 03:16:21 pm »
So guess its back to local woods for the local "yoof" to light fires and generally hang out....every action has an equal and opposite one...

Not so - they should participate in the activities of the NM Youth Project. 

James and co seem to have the magic touch compared with previous attempts to have a local youth club.

One councillor did comment that skate parks seemed to be a male orientated activity and there was a need for something aimed at the girls.

By the way, my comments etc on this subject are my personal observations and not necessarily the official view of the parish council since I cannot speak on its behalf.

Peter Inci asked if the parish council could part fund a skate park, wherever it might be built in the parish.  The skate park group said it could raise all the funds and would not need any parish council funding.  Added to which, freezing the parish council precept i.e. council tax, for the last few years means that there is little or no money to spare for this project.

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Re: Welham Green Youth Skate Park Group
« Reply #39 on: July 27, 2012, 04:30:32 pm »
Not so - they should participate in the activities of the NM Youth Project. 

So that's Friday evening taken care of... what about the rest of the week?

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One councillor did comment that skate parks seemed to be a male orientated activity and there was a need for something aimed at the girls.

Careful or I'll set the girls I take skateboarding at Pioneer Skatepark in St Albans on to you - and they can be a scary bunch!  :icon_jokercolor:

We don't run activities for boys or girls at the Youth Project. We do however run activities aimed at young people who are more active than others. Their gender is not important.
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Re: Welham Green Youth Skate Park Group
« Reply #40 on: July 30, 2012, 03:32:54 pm »
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One councillor did comment that skate parks seemed to be a male orientated activity and there was a need for something aimed at the girls.

Careful or I'll set the girls I take skateboarding at Pioneer Skatepark in St Albans on to you - and they can be a scary bunch!  :icon_jokercolor:

We don't run activities for boys or girls at the Youth Project. We do however run activities aimed at young people who are more active than others. Their gender is not important.


I was simply reporting what another councillor said.  It reminds me that we have a local scout group but I am not aware of any local Guides / Brownies group. There was a Brownie group at the URC run by Jean Cheek but she and Derek have moved.   Can anyone tell us what the situation is, please?

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Re: Welham Green Youth Skate Park Group
« Reply #41 on: August 04, 2012, 10:41:38 am »
Rejecting this badly thought out proposal was a sensible thing to do. Putting a skate-board park directly behind peoples houses in Gould Close was simply a bad idea.
 

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Re: Welham Green Youth Skate Park Group
« Reply #42 on: August 04, 2012, 11:40:31 am »
Rejecting this badly thought out proposal was a sensible thing to do. Putting a skate-board park directly behind peoples houses in Gould Close was simply a bad idea.

Hi Gerard,  welcome to the forum. I have added a map for those not familiar with the area.


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Re: Welham Green Youth Skate Park Group
« Reply #43 on: August 05, 2012, 07:13:36 pm »
A few points perhaps I should clarify:

The question was put over from the June Parish Council meeting to July so that some absent councillors could attend and also so that the Council could put in any further questions it had. No questions were received.

The Skate Park group were never vague about the size. The plot was pegged out at the request of the Council and inspected by local people and several Parish Councillors at the time. The Council groundsman was also there and confirmed there was plenty of room taking into account the football pitch.

The Skate Park was asked by the Parish to deliver the consultation leaflets. Some were delegated to young people and it does seem that some of Holloways Lane and all of Nash Close were missed. We have responses from other roads so we know that the vast majority of local inhabitants and especially those closest to the proposed site were consulted. 

Since the only road with a majority of negative responses was Gould Close, I suspect that if more leaflets had been delivered, the majority in favour would have been even larger.

As it was the overwhelming majority were in favour although of course there were comments to take account of. This was not a referendum. There was one leaflet per household, not one per person so a single person objecting had as much voice as family who were in favour.

The council took into account the support of most local people, the police and the borough council community housing trust and county youth team but voted against the proposal.

The actual reasons voiced were 1) The possibility of leaves from overhanging trees on the surface 2) The unsightliness of concrete structure of that size in that place and 3) The unreasonableness of putting this facility in the Recreation Ground when it should be going at the Youth and Community Centre.

The Skate Park Group is looking at these objections and considering where it goes from here.

 

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Re: Welham Green Youth Skate Park Group
« Reply #44 on: August 05, 2012, 07:18:14 pm »
Thanks to David for the aerial photo of the area. The proposed site is to the extreme bottom left of the field where the football pitch is when looking at the photo.

The site could not by law be "directly behind peoples houses in Gould Close" and the proposed site is well beyond the statutory minimum distance away.
 

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