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Re: Parking issues, solutions, action and fines in Brookmans Park
« Reply #780 on: July 07, 2015, 06:38:33 pm »
I am unable to attend in the morning as the earliest shifts I have are 08:00 am starts. With the briefings and answering emails and the first coffee of the day and then the cycle out to the village I would not normally get there until 09:15- 09:30. This week my shifts are all 10:00-19:00 and next week I am on lates. Also the schools finish next Friday which should end this problem as by the time school starts back parking restrictions should be in place.
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« Reply #781 on: July 07, 2015, 06:52:08 pm »
Maybe have your coffee a little later?! A coffee break within the first 75 minutes of being at work? Wow, I actually can't believe you have written that. Sums the whole thing up. What is the point....
 

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« Reply #782 on: July 07, 2015, 07:36:26 pm »
Yellow car gone. Cars openly driving 100 yds along the pavement again!  Police have advised ringing 101 to report these dangerous situations. Can anyone tell me how to insert a video clip? Thanks
I called 101 end of last year when a female mounted the kerb in her Mercedes in BP whilst on her phone forcing me to move out of her path, I was told by the operator who took the call that nothing could be done as the actual offence has to be witnessed by a police officer, this despite me giving vehicle reg as well!

But the important point to remember is crime is falling according to official sources.
 

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Re: Parking issues, solutions, action and fines in Brookmans Park
« Reply #783 on: July 07, 2015, 08:07:18 pm »
Maybe have your coffee a little later?! A coffee break within the first 75 minutes of being at work? Wow, I actually can't believe you have written that. Sums the whole thing up. What is the point....

I think that's a bit harsh, Trent. Most of us start the day catching up on emails with a cuppa. In my opinion Bill does an excellent job; he's probably the best community bobby we have had since I've been living here.
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« Reply #784 on: July 07, 2015, 09:08:51 pm »
I was told by the operator who took the call that nothing could be done as the actual offence has to be witnessed by a police officer, this despite me giving vehicle reg as well!

Prosecutions need evidence. In this instance the police don't have any, irrespective of how many registrations you collect, so they won't take the driver to court. They would have to rely on your evidence and you would need to make a statement and be prepared to give evidence in court. For an offence of driving on the pavement, it is never going to pass the public interest threshold.   

But the important point to remember is crime is falling according to official sources.

Some crimes, like theft for example, are "Recordable" - most of the Road Traffic Act is not. Therefore national crime statistics are irrelevant.
 

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« Reply #785 on: July 07, 2015, 09:28:19 pm »
If drivers are constantly on the pavement at certain times, it should be fairly easy to record them on a camera or phone and give the video to the police. If an offence has been committed then surely they would be obliged to at least contact the driver and discuss it with them?
 

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« Reply #786 on: July 07, 2015, 11:45:45 pm »
I was told by the operator who took the call that nothing could be done as the actual offence has to be witnessed by a police officer, this despite me giving vehicle reg as well!

Prosecutions need evidence. In this instance the police don't have any, irrespective of how many registrations you collect, so they won't take the driver to court. They would have to rely on your evidence and you would need to make a statement and be prepared to give evidence in court. For an offence of driving on the pavement, it is never going to pass the public interest threshold.   

But the important point to remember is crime is falling according to official sources.

Some crimes, like theft for example, are "Recordable" - most of the Road Traffic Act is not. Therefore national crime statistics are irrelevant.

Two points - I never said I wanted her prosecuted, just some words of advice would have probably been proportionate, secondly if she then does the same again at another point but this time kills or seriously injures a child and I come forward and say ive reported her previously for doing the same thing and was ignored, then I am sure a prosecution would follow a internal enquiry.

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Re: Parking issues, solutions, action and fines in Brookmans Park
« Reply #787 on: July 08, 2015, 09:18:03 am »
How about someone with a car and bike rack offer to collect Bill from Hatfield Police Station at 8:00 :-)
 

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« Reply #788 on: July 08, 2015, 09:41:36 am »
attempting to embed a video. This was the seventh consecutive car to drive the whole way up the pavement in the few minutes I was there. There was no need as I had pulled over and stopped and the carriageway was clear as you can see. At least this driver slowed down slightly
 

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« Reply #789 on: July 08, 2015, 09:58:56 am »
I can't make it work! The police have assured me they will send advisory letters to all offending vehicles if we forward the registration marks.  They can be sent to sntwelwynhatfieldsouth@herts.pnn.police.uk for the attention of Sgt Steve Hynes.

 

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Re: Parking issues, solutions, action and fines in Brookmans Park
« Reply #790 on: July 08, 2015, 10:21:16 am »
attempting to embed a video. This was the seventh consecutive car to drive the whole way up the pavement in the few minutes I was there. There was no need as I had pulled over and stopped and the carriageway was clear as you can see. At least this driver slowed down slightly

I'm not too sure how to embed it but maybe where it has attachments and other options, you can add there or if it's been uploaded to Youtube to post the link.  Just be careful not to show any registration numbers.
Otherwise PM Editor to add it for you.
 

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« Reply #791 on: July 08, 2015, 10:25:28 am »
I find it hard to believe that anyone would begrudge me a coffee whilst I am sitting at my computer reading logs and answering emails. I don't know where you work but its quite relaxed here and we even have a hot water on tap so we don't have to wait for a kettle to boil. Control have to resource hundreds of calls a day with a small number of officers to attend jobs around Welwyn and Hatfield. I have already stated in previous posts if you send me registrations I will speak with the drivers. I would like to thank the editor for his support and will continue to do the best I can for the area which I remind you covers Little Heath and Newgate street as well as Brookmans park. I cant be everywhere at once but I will continue to do my best.
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Re: Parking issues, solutions, action and fines in Brookmans Park
« Reply #792 on: July 08, 2015, 11:37:55 am »
I find it hard to believe that anyone would begrudge me a coffee whilst I am sitting at my computer reading logs and answering emails. I don't know where you work but its quite relaxed here and we even have a hot water on tap so we don't have to wait for a kettle to boil. Control have to resource hundreds of calls a day with a small number of officers to attend jobs around Welwyn and Hatfield. I have already stated in previous posts if you send me registrations I will speak with the drivers. I would like to thank the editor for his support and will continue to do the best I can for the area which I remind you covers Little Heath and Newgate street as well as Brookmans park. I cant be everywhere at once but I will continue to do my best.

I certainly don't begrudge you your coffee Bill - I think you're doing a great job & it's great to have a visible presence in the village!
 

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Re: Parking issues, solutions, action and fines in Brookmans Park
« Reply #793 on: July 08, 2015, 12:39:43 pm »
Hear hear! Let Bill have his coffee and carry on doing a great job for the village!
 

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« Reply #794 on: July 08, 2015, 02:27:45 pm »
I find it hard to believe that anyone would begrudge me a coffee whilst I am sitting at my computer reading logs and answering emails. I don't know where you work but its quite relaxed here and we even have a hot water on tap so we don't have to wait for a kettle to boil. Control have to resource hundreds of calls a day with a small number of officers to attend jobs around Welwyn and Hatfield. I have already stated in previous posts if you send me registrations I will speak with the drivers. I would like to thank the editor for his support and will continue to do the best I can for the area which I remind you covers Little Heath and Newgate street as well as Brookmans park. I cant be everywhere at once but I will continue to do my best.
Bill what you need is some help - any criticism should be aimed higher!
 

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« Reply #795 on: July 08, 2015, 04:56:32 pm »



Hes the most proactive pcso we have ever had IMHO. Long may it continue.


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« Reply #796 on: July 08, 2015, 05:54:57 pm »
I agree. Bill is a real asset; very visible and highly proactive. Long may he enjoy his well-deserved coffee and, should he feel the need for one, a biscuit or two. Garibaldi most probably - the king of biscuits.

PS And is it just me or have a number of posts in this thread been authored by Victor Meldrew? He's probably sitting on a deck chair on Moffats right now collecting number plates.

 

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« Reply #797 on: July 08, 2015, 06:46:52 pm »
I would like to thank you all for your kind comments. I am enjoying my final cup of coffee of the day after having walked ten miles today around the village and up through Little Heath I think I deserve it lol. I will continue to serve you all to the best of my abilities but its true what they say. You cant please all of the people all of the time. I am of home for a beer soon so have a pleasant and safe evening.
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« Reply #798 on: July 08, 2015, 07:34:37 pm »
Bill, go and have a beer or two.

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« Reply #799 on: July 09, 2015, 08:13:34 pm »
Having read the newsletter for a number of years this thread has now compelled me to actually join and add to the discussions. I don't think anyone is begrudging Bill his coffee. He is doing a good job and it is nice to have a presence in the village. We are fairly spoiled in this wonderful village that we live in and we have little to complain about.

However, I agree with several of the comments in this thread regarding the current state of the parking in the village caused by the revised parking restrictions, one direct result of which is the current problems in Moffats Lane. These cars are all legally parked with adequate passing places, if only drivers coming up Moffats Lane would wait for cars coming down to pull into them. The current situation is without doubt dangerous. As previously stated, everyday cars are driving along the pavement when there are school children on their way to school. Sorry, but this is dangerous and therefore warrants an effective police response. It is a matter of time before someone is injured.

I am not saying Bill shouldn't have a coffee, and I don't think Trent was either, but the police service are there to serve the public and this means that they should respond to their needs, at the time they are needed and may even have to start a little earlier than usual to do so. Operational policing allows and accommodates such action. Maybe, occasionally Bill could get to the village earlier to see the cars and coaches at the right time and manage his time effectively to reallocate his coffee break. Maybe Bill could have a coffee before starting work.

I find it strange that a resident with a totally valid concern is almost being belittled here for caring about our neighbourhood and the safety of its residents. Clearly some people who have commented have not seen the scale of the problem. I have no doubt they would feel differently if someone they know gets hit by a large piece of metal driving at 20mph on the pavement.

Furthermore, I find it strange that the most effective response to this was by the owner of a legally parked yellow car who was asked to move it. Yet, nothing is done about the offences taking place.
 

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Re: Parking issues, solutions, action and fines in Brookmans Park
« Reply #800 on: July 10, 2015, 08:08:46 am »
I have just noticed this line in one of the Neighbourhood Watch emails written by Sgt Stephen Hynes of the Safer Neighbourhood Team.

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The email address for reporting careless or dangerous driving in WGC (Ideally with a Reg. No) is  SNTWelwynHatfieldSouth@Herts.pnn.police.uk we have stopped several vehicles already and visited 3 Motorcycle owners today. Speed isnít the main factor, it is the danger put to residents I want to know about.

I am presuming this applies to Brookmans Park, too, and that we are invited to use that email address for any reports of any incidents on Moffats Lane and other local roads especially during peak traffic times?

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« Reply #801 on: July 10, 2015, 05:15:52 pm »
Today I have again monitored Moffats lane at the afternoon school run time. I think it needs pointing out that the cars coming down the hill are part of the problem to. I witnessed vehicles speeding up down the hill to either make it through to the end or the last pull in place possible. Cars were also tailgating the one in front and if that pulled in to give way they were sticking out into the carriageway. I saw one young female driver coming up the hill pull her front wheel onto the pavement because the car coming down bullied its way through. I did not stop the female because if she had not of pulled up there could have been a head on collision and she did not drive the length of the pavement. If you are coming down the hill you should be giving way at the nearest pull in as the parked vehicle's are on your side. If you drive to close and the vehicle in front pulls in and stops to give way and you rear end it I think your insurance company will be paying out.
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Re: Parking issues, solutions, action and fines in Brookmans Park
« Reply #802 on: September 03, 2015, 05:40:19 pm »
Update from the council re parking Moffats Lane, Park Close, Moffats Close, The Grove, and Bluebridge Avenue.
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« Reply #803 on: November 05, 2015, 05:05:26 pm »
Twice in the last week I have been stuck behind a stationary vehicle blocking the access roads around Bradmore Green while the driver or an occupant of the car nips in to a shop. I tooted once and got an angry gesture in return. What's even more annoying is that this has happened when there are parking places available. It's as if the driver just can't be bothered, so others have to wait. One even had the hazard lights on. Is that legal; to use hazard lights when the only hazard is them blocking the highway?    ::)

I mentioned this in the speeding thread but repeated here to save that discussion veering off topic.
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« Reply #804 on: November 09, 2015, 09:05:51 pm »
Twice in the last week I have been stuck behind a stationary vehicle blocking the access roads around Bradmore Green while the driver or an occupant of the car nips in to a shop. I tooted once and got an angry gesture in return. What's even more annoying is that this has happened when there are parking places available. It's as if the driver just can't be bothered, so others have to wait.
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« Reply #805 on: November 19, 2015, 10:11:27 pm »
gosh, how dare you toot, get a life?
 

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« Reply #806 on: November 21, 2015, 04:39:47 pm »
The resident permitted parking scheme for Moffats Lane will be implemented on Monday 14 December. Below is the letter confirming. I am presuming it also applies to the other roads being considered during the consultation, but my letter refers to Moffats only. Perhaps residents of other roads could confirm if they have received letters or not.
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« Reply #807 on: December 07, 2015, 06:25:16 pm »
I'll be glad when the parking restrictions are introduce on Moffats next week. This evening I was driving down towards Bluebridge Road when I noticed a car turn the corner in order to drive up Moffats. I pulled in to let them through, because they have right of way, but a car coming down Moffats overtook me and forced their way through.

The parking restrictions might reduce the number of cars parked, but unfortunately it won't solve the problem of bad driving.   ::)
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« Reply #808 on: December 14, 2015, 09:37:12 am »
It looks like the new parking restrictions on Moffats Lane are working. These pictures taken at 09:25 on Monday 14 December.
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« Reply #809 on: December 14, 2015, 10:27:09 am »
I wonder where they are parking now?
 

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