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« Reply #30 on: January 25, 2007, 08:19:42 pm »
As a young man my experience of being stopped is that the police are frequently not polite and sometimes plain rude.  Random stops further alienate those who already feel alienated by the police because they are seldom random. The police, who are human, tend to target those they think are most likely to be doing wrong. Great as it is probably efficient, unless you happen to fit a stereotype and can't go about your business  without being questioned.

Even if the police were polite I don't think I'd appreciate being puled over for ten or twenty minutes when I had done nothing wrong and was in a hurry. When did we move away from a presumption of innocence?
 

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« Reply #31 on: January 26, 2007, 03:52:00 pm »
It was a while ago now, but I was stopped in Potters Bar returning from Barnet Hospital in a 'random' check. It was evening, but when I was asked if I had been drinking I truthfully declared "A cup of tea", I was ordered out of my car! After some further questionning and when it was apparent that indeed that was all I had drunk and the officer in question seemed a little concerned about a passenger I had in the car was 'familiar', I was allowed on my way. The friend was actually a trainee solicitor and as we drove away my friend pointed out that the officer had no right to order me out of my car! I put it down to experience and never made a fuss about it. Indeed I knew I hadn't done anything wrong and considered that the Police were doing their duty. I've no idea whether the officer did know my friend and if he hadn't been there I may have been subject to some 'L.A. style policing', but I somehow doubt it, this is England after all, and we're British! :icon_jokercolor:
 

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« Reply #32 on: January 27, 2007, 09:33:18 am »
Well, I did make the proviso about random checks only being acceptable if the police are polite about it. Asking you to participate in a program of random checks so as to help prevent drunk driving does not seem to me to imply a presumption of guilt, if done politely and respectfully. That could be a big "if", though I agree. I must sadly agree with you that the few times I was questioned by the police (always whilst going about my lawful business) as a youth, the approach was always more "Oi, you!" than "Excuse me sir".

And that is a good point about random checks probably not being random at all. I read Miles Davis' autobiography a while ago. Apparently he bought himself a Ferrari, and later got rid of it because he was sick of being stopped by the police every time he went out in it (Black guy in a Ferrari? If he didn't steal it, he must be a pimp or a drug dealer!)
 

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« Reply #33 on: January 27, 2007, 02:41:23 pm »
When I was a young man being stopped by the police was a fairly frequent occurrence, normally happening once or twice a month. At first I found it amusing, but soon grew sick of their attitude. On one occasion, with an exceptionally rude  'special', I came close to telling him go forth and multiply, especially when his ridicules questions caused me to miss the bus to the pub. Only the fact that I had no desire to spend the night in a cell stopped me. I was (and am) fairly pro the police, but their attitude on that and many other occasions didn't help. I can well see why many people stopped trusting them.

These days I'm fat, middle aged, drive an estate car. I no longer fit the wrong stereotype, so the police almost never stop me and on the rare occasion they do they tend to be, if not polite, a lot less rude then they use to be.

I do think that we are moving towards a presumption of guilt and random stops are just one more example. ID cards, imprisonment with out trial or prospect of trial, extradition without evidence, CCTV, the limitation of defence under the Regulation of Investigatory Powers act are other examples.
 

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« Reply #34 on: January 29, 2007, 10:28:18 am »
John - would you mind giving us a description of yourself at the period in your life when stopped regularly by the police?

It never happened to me, but I was a rather typical meak and mild bank clerk in my younger days.

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« Reply #35 on: January 29, 2007, 10:29:34 am »
Bob,

The avatars say it all.

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« Reply #36 on: January 29, 2007, 12:15:38 pm »
John - would you mind giving us a description of yourself at the period in your life when stopped regularly by the police?

It never happened to me, but I was a rather typical meak and mild bank clerk in my younger days.
Pretty much like now - large, loud and ugly, but back then I was also young (19 -24). I don't recall it happening when I was seriously drunk and would have probably got (and deserved) a night in the cells. I do remember getting stopped when sober, on the way to the pub and even on my way home from work.
 

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« Reply #37 on: January 29, 2007, 04:28:25 pm »
According to my dictionary an 'avatar' is a manifestation of a Hindu deity in a visible form.   Having had a very pleasant evening in 2006 with John and Mermaid at the BPH (drinking on the forecourt) he is nothing like what I imagine a Hindu deity looks like!  My next door neighbout has a couple of statues of Hindu gods in his house, and John certainly does not have many arms or an elephants head.  That I would have noticed.  The dictionary also says an avatar is a supreme glorification of any principle, which might be what Dave meant.

I also have to confess to drink driving in my 20s, but never got stopped fortunately.
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« Reply #38 on: January 29, 2007, 04:56:28 pm »
I like to think that I'm less of a Hindu deity and more of a Greek god. :)

 

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« Reply #39 on: January 29, 2007, 05:27:20 pm »

I also have to confess to drink driving in my 20s, but never got stopped fortunately.

Fortunately for the other road users, I presume?!
 

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« Reply #40 on: January 29, 2007, 05:36:36 pm »

Naughty Bob, but are you sure that we had the drink-driving laws when you were in your 20's?
 

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« Reply #41 on: January 29, 2007, 06:49:34 pm »
Mermaid

A quote

"By our own reporter
Monday October 9, 1967
Guardian Unlimited


Police all over Britain were issued with breath-testing equipment as they went on duty late last night. The new law on drinking and driving came into effect at midnight."

I remember it well! :D    Got fit walking to various local hostelries.       It says "new" - there have been drinking driving laws in force much longer than Bob and I have been on this planet!!!

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« Reply #42 on: January 29, 2007, 07:17:49 pm »

Lol.

I've only been invited to blow into a bag once - on a Sunday afternoon in central London - and the reason given was that I was 'driving too carefully'. I was pregnant at the time and had only had a cup of tea.

Now, who wants to go into the off-topic section and discuss whether John is, in fact, a greek god or not?!
 

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« Reply #44 on: January 30, 2007, 03:28:44 pm »
The late Barbara Castle was the Minister of Transport  from1965 to 1968. In that post she introduced the 70 mph speed limit, breathalyzer tests for suspected drunken drivers and compulsory seat belts.  Quite a woman , and I think she did not drive!  Nothing wishy washy about her.

It was too long ago for me to remember if it curbed the amount of alcohol consumed on an evening out.  Most likely.  And before Cassie asks, I did not have any accidents fortunately.

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Re: Herts police drink/drugs drive campaign gets underway
« Reply #45 on: June 08, 2010, 02:48:14 pm »
DON’T SCORE AN OWN GOAL THIS WORLD CUP BY DRINK DRIVING
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"Don't risk it all for a drink" is the message to football fans as the Hertfordshire Strategic Road Safety Partnership (including Herts Police, Hertfordshire County Council and Hertfordshire Fire & Rescue Service) teams up with local footballs clubs for a special campaign to tackle drink driving during the World Cup.

With posters displayed in local pubs and bars, flyers handed out to drivers, support from local football clubs and information packs sent to local businesses, the campaign aims to remind supporters of the consequences of drinking and driving as well as advice on how to get home from watching a match safely.

“While we don't want to discourage people from getting into the spirit of the competition, it's important everyone can enjoy the World Cup safely,” commented Chief Inspector Donna Pierce from the Road Policing Strategic Unit. “There's no excuse for drink driving. We'll be present round the clock to take robust action against anyone who threatens their own and others' safety - so if you do try to get away with drinking before getting behind the wheel, there's a very good chance you'll be caught.”

Stuart Pile, Hertfordshire County Council’s Executive Member for Highways and Transport, added: “I certainly hope we have something to celebrate this World Cup, but please give a thought to how you're getting home after each game. If you’re going to be drinking when watching a match, get a licensed taxi home, arrange for one of your party to be a designated driver or stick to soft drinks - it’s simply not worth the risk. I’d urge people to think, how would your life be different if you lost your licence?"

Hertfordshire Constabulary will be carrying on their regular patrols across the county during the tournament to ensure everyone can enjoy the competition, whichever team they support.

If you’re planning on heading out to watch a game during the World Cup, here’s some advice:
• Driving home after watching a match? Don't drink any alcohol. So many factors (gender, build, age, health) will vary the way alcohol affects you that just one drink can impair your driving - and could take you over the legal limit.
• Remember, alcohol takes longer than you might think to pass through your system. If you've been drinking the night before, there's a strong possibility you could be over the limit the next morning.
• If you know you will be drinking later on, plan beforehand how you are getting home safely - you could arrange for one of your group to be the 'designated driver'. However, it's often unplanned moments of drinking when people decide to take a risk - if you do have a drink, book a licensed taxi.
For more information and advice on road safety, visit www.thinkroadsafety.gov.uk. Find out more safety advice on the Herts Police World Cup page at www.herts.police.uk/world_cup/index
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Re: Herts police drink/drugs drive campaign gets underway
« Reply #46 on: June 16, 2010, 07:13:56 am »
According to the BBC, a review of the drink-drive limit is expected to recommend that it be cut from the current limit of 80mg of alcohol per 100ml of blood to 50mg. A report on BBC R4 says one small glass could tip people over. There is also a suggestion of random breath tests.

A few years ago when visiting friends in Australia they were pulling cars over randomly. My friend says it was the reason he started a home brewing hobby that's means his cellar is now a micro brewery (that and the fact that beer in Australia is rubbish).

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« Reply #47 on: June 16, 2010, 07:49:04 am »
I was driving in France a few years ago and as I pulled off the slip road on to the autoroute, just before the Pay-as-you-go tolls, the Police were breath testing every driver.

It was early morning and even though it was unlikely that people had been drinking before they set off to work in the morning, a heavy night before would still register on the test.

It was reassuring that every driver on that autoroute was sober and fit to drive, including me!
 

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Re: Herts police drink/drugs drive campaign gets underway
« Reply #48 on: June 16, 2010, 08:19:52 am »
95% of the time I drive a truck. I get breathalised at least once a month now in Brisbane and always in the mornings. It's obviously to catch people who were drinking the night before, probably at home, and wouldn't even think that they were over the limit. By the way, there's zero tolerance for truck drivers, cab drivers etc
As for the beer David...last time I used your comments to an Aussie it nearly all went off!!  ;D
 

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« Reply #49 on: June 16, 2010, 08:36:53 am »
Hi Steve,

That's a good point you make. Those who decide not to drink and drive but to have a few beers at home instead may well be over the limit in the morning.

By the way, sorry for offending your Australian chums regarding their beer, perhaps I didn't find the good stuff.

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« Reply #50 on: June 16, 2010, 09:37:26 am »
It is a shame that the same emphasis is not being applied to mobile phone use when driving (something that really bugs me), especially as it is statistically proven to be at least as dangerous as drink driving.
 

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Re: Herts police drink/drugs drive campaign gets underway
« Reply #51 on: June 16, 2010, 06:23:42 pm »
the ozzies make some of the best beer in my opinion.

melbourne bitters is my fave but you cant get it here.

as for drink driving-never touch a drop if im driving.

if its an early start-I finish boozing at 9 the nite before to be clear.

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« Reply #52 on: June 17, 2010, 01:28:33 am »
BrookyP - Melbourne Bitter - my god, are you serious!! Queenslanders would rather drink paint stripper!
Best place in Australia for a decent pint is Tasmania. Loads of small independent breweries unlike Fosters which is owned by Courage UK and most of the other big brands like XXXX which is owned by a Kiwi brewery now.
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« Reply #53 on: June 17, 2010, 09:51:30 am »
Stevea - my boss agrees with you, but he is from Tasmania, so he would - he says it is the water on Tasmania that makes the beer the best.

Somewhere in Hertfordshire there is a pint of Greene King IPA with my name on it waiting for me to get off the plane on Saturday. ;D

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« Reply #54 on: June 17, 2010, 10:10:56 am »
Do I sense that we need to see a Real Ale thread on the go ?

It would be great if there was some Cask Ale at village Day.
 

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« Reply #55 on: June 17, 2010, 10:13:00 am »
stevea-i got the same response from the melbourne crowd-they called it beer cordial.

james boags is a good tazzie beer also-sadly not around in the uk..

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« Reply #56 on: June 17, 2010, 10:14:55 am »
A reminder that there are a number of good pubs within walking distance of Brookmans Park. My favourite involves a 50-minutes stroll across the fields and along really nice footpaths. Others are much nearer. The benefits are many fold. Reduced carbon footprint, fewer people risking drinking and driving, and the chance to earn a pint and then walk it off later.

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« Reply #57 on: June 17, 2010, 07:53:35 pm »
Mary, as a proper home-bird who has not moved more than one hundred yards in the last forty-four years, I can just imagine how much you are looking forward to your visit and that pint.  As well as more popular venues, the IPA can be taken at the North Mymms Social Club in Sation Road and out of parish, in the Cock at Colney Heath,  a lovely pub which has got stuck in the fifties and where you can still have three rounds of sandwich, a pint and a glass of wine for just over a tenner.
 

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« Reply #58 on: November 29, 2014, 01:38:46 pm »
Motorists warned not to drink drive during Christmas season
28/11/2014
The Christmas drink drive campaign begins on Monday (1st December) and motorists in Hertfordshire are being warned not to drive under the influence of alcohol or drugs during the festive season.
Throughout December, the Bedfordshire, Cambridgeshire and Hertfordshire Road Policing Unit will be out in force conducting an increased number of drink and drug driving stop checks.
The unit’s Chief Inspector Richard Hann said: “Driving under the influence of alcohol or drugs dramatically increases your chances of being involved in a collision that results in someone’s death or injury.
“My officers will be conducting increased numbers of checks during December so if you do drink and drive, then there is a strong chance that you will be caught and prosecuted.”
Residents in Hertfordshire are also being urged to report people they suspect are drink driving using a confidential 24-hour reporting line 01707 354111 or the webpage here.
CI Hann added: “If you suspect someone is drink driving then it is important that you contact police with your concerns either via the website or the reporting line. Your actions may save someone’s life.”
David Lloyd, Police and Crime Commissioner for Hertfordshire, said: “While I hope everyone enjoys the festive season, it is important we don’t forget the legal and moral responsibilities we still have for our own safety and that of others.
“I fully support the Road Policing Unit’s robust line on tackling drink and drug driving during the festive season. The last thing anyone wants to see this Christmas is a family deprived of a mum, dad, son or daughter because of a collision caused by a drink driver.”
Enforcing the drink and drug driving law, particularly at this time of year, is a key tool for police in reducing the risk of death or injury on the roads.As well as increased numbers of stop checks, officers will be carrying out breath tests and, where relevant, field impairment tests on all drivers involved in road collisions they attend.
The legal alcohol limit for driving is 80mg of alcohol per 100ml of blood but there is no failsafe guide to the amount of alcohol that a driver can safely consume. Any amount of alcohol affects driving ability.Many drivers are not aware that they can still be over the drink drive limit when setting off on a journey the next day.
Motorists found to be driving while under the influence of drink or drugs face a minimum of a 12-month disqualification from driving, as well as a fine and/or imprisonment. The offence of causing death by careless driving whilst under the influence of drink or drugs now carries a maximum penalty of 14 years’ imprisonment and a disqualification of at least two year
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Re: Herts police drink/drugs drive campaign gets underway
« Reply #59 on: December 03, 2014, 04:07:45 pm »
Police say there’ll be an increase in patrols looking out for drivers under the influence of drink and/or drugs over the festive period.
Motorists warned not to drink drive during Christmas season And Hertfordshire Constabulary has set up a number for people to report anyone suspected of driving under the influence.
Report a Drink Driver The force is also promoting the Crimestoppers confidential reporting line.
Drink driving
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