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Re: Career advice for seven-year-olds
« Reply #30 on: October 29, 2009, 08:45:24 am »
Well - who's going to tell them seven year olds that they should become MP's ? What with the all the holidays, freebies and unlimited expenses, it should prove to be a very lucrative career !!!

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Re: Career advice for seven-year-olds
« Reply #31 on: October 29, 2009, 09:36:28 am »
Well - who's going to tell them seven year olds that they should become MP's ? What with the all the holidays, freebies and unlimited expenses, it should prove to be a very lucrative career !!!

Naomi ? 

Well, I don't expect you'll appreciate this....my background is in Executive Recruitment specialising in
Accountancy....Commerce, Industry, Profession, Government....including off shore....Maybe we've met!!  ;)

As for promoting a 7yr old to become a MP...any politicians reading this can reply for themselves!
 

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Re: Career advice for seven-year-olds
« Reply #32 on: October 29, 2009, 11:38:11 am »
PS remains silent on what his/her ambitions were at 7 year of age.

I never owned a sweet shop and i would have been dreadfully disapponted if some careers adviser had told me to forget it and think about being a bank clerk - which is what I was initially.

Would Mermaid have been told to do like Kate Middleton and try to marry a prince?  At the age of 7 had Naomi ever even heard of a job such an Executive Recruitment Specialist?

This 'pointless' debate shows me that 7 is too early to try and point children in a certain career direction.  At that age they have little experience of life and cannot possibly have any idea of where life might take them.  Also how many have started with one career and changed at least once in their working life.  I did.

This debate proves to me that this is a brainless money wasting idea.


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Re: Career advice for seven-year-olds
« Reply #33 on: October 29, 2009, 11:58:26 am »
We are obviously literate people on the Forum and probably fairly well educated, and although some of us may have come from backgrounds with unemployed parents, I wouldn't think it was the majority.

 I understood that careers advice would be of value to those 7-year olds who didn't have a home which encouraged them to aim high.  They wouldn't be advised about what they should do, but what they could do.
 

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Re: Career advice for seven-year-olds
« Reply #34 on: October 29, 2009, 12:18:08 pm »
I agree with LTS. Better if the money was spent raising the aspirations of the parents. A child needs support and encouragement for many years. If the parents see the child falling into the same poverty trap they reside in then you're might as well fill the child's head with dreams of being an astronaut or princess.  As Bob says: a brainless money wasting idea.
 

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Re: Career advice for seven-year-olds
« Reply #35 on: October 29, 2009, 12:41:05 pm »
Wow - at last some recognition as to what a waste of money it is. !!! If both Bob and John had read my earlier posts on this subject, that is exactly what I have been saying, if not alludung to !!

Waste of time, waste of space, waste of public funds and the topic should be closed.

By the way - I didn't know what I wanted to do at seven - only what I did'nt want to do!!.
 

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Re: Career advice for seven-year-olds
« Reply #36 on: October 29, 2009, 12:56:20 pm »
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Mermaid - I'm sure you grew up to be as gorgeous as any Princess!

Myself, I was inspired by Dennis the Menace! 
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God - I do hope that this Mermaid is not a geezeer eh Stevea ?
 

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Re: Career advice for seven-year-olds
« Reply #37 on: October 29, 2009, 08:55:57 pm »
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Mermaid - I'm sure you grew up to be as gorgeous as any Princess!

Myself, I was inspired by Dennis the Menace! 
Stevea

God - I do hope that this Mermaid is not a geezeer eh Stevea ?

I think you'll find "this Mermaid" is female.
 

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Re: Career advice for seven-year-olds
« Reply #38 on: November 01, 2009, 11:41:08 am »
Indeed I am (both female and georgeous), thank you Stevea   :-*

Chris Woodhead, former Chief Inspector of Schools, writes today in the Times:

"No seven-year old I know has any serious idea what they want to do when they grow up. Nor should they. They are children and we should be developing their love of learning, not organising visits to the local garage or hairdressing salon. It would help, too, if we taught them all to read. The real issue here is that teenagers who need careers advice often don't get it. Why can't ministers solve real problems rather than dream up idiotic new initiatives?"
 

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Re: Career advice for seven-year-olds
« Reply #39 on: November 01, 2009, 12:33:51 pm »
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Chris Woodhead, former Chief Inspector of Schools, writes today in the Times:

"No seven-year old I know has any serious idea what they want to do when they grow up. Nor should they. They are children and we should be developing their love of learning, not organising visits to the local garage or hairdressing salon. It would help, too, if we taught them all to read. The real issue here is that teenagers who need careers advice often don't get it. Why can't ministers solve real problems rather than dream up idiotic new initiatives?"

Yes indeed - as mentioned before - a waste of time and funds. We need to put the hard earned taxpayers money to far better use than this nonsense - before the UK goes completely bankrupt - financially and morally.
 

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Re: Career advice for seven-year-olds
« Reply #40 on: November 01, 2009, 05:49:07 pm »
Sorry, but I've got to protest at the spin on Chris Woodhead's article. (No change there then  ;)).  Not visits to hairdressers and garages.  The under-privileged children already know all about those jobs.  We need to tell them they can aim higher.
 

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Re: Career advice for seven-year-olds
« Reply #41 on: November 01, 2009, 06:43:30 pm »
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Sorry, but I've got to protest at the spin on Chris Woodhead's article. (No change there then  ).  Not visits to hairdressers and garages.  The under-privileged children already know all about those jobs.  We need to tell them they can aim higher.

It would'nt work.................telling them from a stranger once or twice in a blue moon, compared to the constant parental vocal tones telling them it "ain't worf wur'kin for nuffin" isn't gone to change matters. Its the parents that need the teaching that they have a responsibility to bring up their sprogs in the correct manner - any attempts by the the "socially responsible" will just be further taxpayers money down the sewer.
 

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Re: Career advice for seven-year-olds
« Reply #42 on: November 01, 2009, 07:24:27 pm »

It would'nt work.................telling them from a stranger once or twice in a blue moon, compared to the constant parental vocal tones telling them it "ain't worf wur'kin for nuffin" isn't gone to change matters.


PS, do you think the TV show Harry Enfield and chums is a current affairs programme?


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Re: Career advice for seven-year-olds
« Reply #43 on: November 01, 2009, 08:04:34 pm »
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PS, do you think the TV show Harry Enfield and chums is a current affairs programme?

DB - of course not. But even you have to admit that it simply cannot work.  Are you (a) so loaded, that regardless of increases in tax, you feel that your "philantrophic" views are simply a leisurely pastime or (b) a realist like the vast majority of people, who know from experience that social engineering simply doesn't work. Change the culture from the top down, and you may, just may, stand a chance to get through to the receptive few.

But by God, at what cost ? 

Just look at all the failures in these tin-pot schemes we have all had to endure over the years....

Sorry ... try again. 
 

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Re: Career advice for seven-year-olds
« Reply #44 on: November 01, 2009, 08:07:04 pm »
No, it's just that you seem to have society pigeon-holed into convenient, personal stereotypes that truncates sensible discussion to simplistic generalisations making constructive debate difficult.

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Re: Career advice for seven-year-olds
« Reply #45 on: November 01, 2009, 09:28:40 pm »
was it not pink floyd's song which went"hey teacher leave them kids alone"Enough said.
 

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Re: Career advice for seven-year-olds
« Reply #46 on: November 01, 2009, 09:35:03 pm »
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No, it's just that you seem to have society pigeon-holed into convenient, personal stereotypes that truncates sensible discussion to simplistic generalisations making constructive debate difficult.

David

Then suggest something constructive - a few pointers -

(a) how would a "fruitful discussion" to a seven year old having any meaning, when taken from a complete stranger [ie a thirty minute session, one hour per week etc] when compared to the parents back home who are constantly bombarding their children with the anti-work ethic we so often encounter in todays society. Hence the benefits culture [and Cash In Hand jobs as well of course] passed down from the generation above

(b) how much will this cost and who will incur the cost, how many will it actually benefit et al, and

(c) has anyone kept a success or "hit rate" score of these one hour career advisory wonder sessions and proven that they actually work ?

If you can convince the forum on these three questions, then a sensible debate can take place. If not then its pointless.

AND a complete waste of govt money in these recessionary times [apart from stoking up the champagne socialists ego's even further]

I await your reponse.

Thank you.

    
 

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Re: Career advice for seven-year-olds
« Reply #47 on: November 02, 2009, 06:37:02 am »

(a) how would a "fruitful discussion" to a seven year old having any meaning, when taken from a complete stranger [ie a thirty minute session, one hour per week etc] when compared to the parents back home who are constantly bombarding their children with the anti-work ethic we so often encounter in todays society. Hence the benefits culture [and Cash In Hand jobs as well of course] passed down from the generation above

(b) how much will this cost and who will incur the cost, how many will it actually benefit et al, and

(c) has anyone kept a success or "hit rate" score of these one hour career advisory wonder sessions and proven that they actually work ?

If you can convince the forum on these three questions, then a sensible debate can take place. If not then its pointless.

AND a complete waste of govt money in these recessionary times [apart from stoking up the champagne socialists ego's even further]

I await your reponse.

Thank you.

    

Dear PS,

I am not trying to convince anyone about anything; it was just an interesting topic I heard discussed on the radio and read about in the papers the day I posted. I have enjoyed hearing the stories about the aspirations forum users had at that age, and some of the views on the value of career advice at the age of seven.

In answer to your points, I canít address question a) because it is based on generalisations that I would have to accept in order to respond. On question b), I have no idea how much it would cost or how many would benefit, and c) I donít know of any research into career advice.

My feeling is that seven is a bit young, but, done well it could stimulate those who may lack such stimulation back home. And I wonder if as much damage can be done by pushy parents as can be done by neglectful parents. Not sure if there are any stats on that, either.

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