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Traffic calming measures for North Mymms villages

Reduce speed limit to 20 mph in village centre
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Flashing warning lights
14 (43.8%)
Speed cameras
8 (25%)
Road humps
5 (15.6%)
Other or none - please post in forum
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Re: Speeding along local roads
« Reply #810 on: September 30, 2014, 10:37:16 pm »
Was that before or after the addition of speed humps? I would have thought those humps would slow people down.
 

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Re: Speeding along local roads
« Reply #811 on: October 01, 2014, 09:00:27 am »
Was that before or after the addition of speed humps? I would have thought those humps would slow people down.
Post speed humps.

 Modern vehicles can achieve huge speeds in short distances. Around 50% of those who use the road dont and wont accept the principle of why there are speed limits and are happy to break the law, which does make you wonder what other laws they think dont apply to them??

 

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Re: Speeding along local roads
« Reply #812 on: October 01, 2014, 10:39:44 am »
I have commented before that the best way to get drivers to observe the speed limit is to give the parents who live on the road three rocket launchers. After the first two are used the third would never need to be fired.
 

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Re: Speeding along local roads
« Reply #813 on: October 01, 2014, 04:16:02 pm »
We tried to set up the speed indicator display board on GWR yesterday but unfortunately the battery had run out. We will be looking at this road in the near future. As you say though while we are there vehicles will slow down.
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Re: Speeding along local roads
« Reply #814 on: October 02, 2014, 04:43:44 pm »
Please advise what the "official" speed limnit is on GWR
 

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Re: Speeding along local roads
« Reply #815 on: October 02, 2014, 06:07:09 pm »
Please advise what the "official" speed limnit is on GWR
20 MPH there are lots of signs.
 

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Re: Speeding along local roads
« Reply #816 on: October 02, 2014, 07:03:05 pm »
I thought that 20mph was an advisory as its a private road and its 30mph nationally.


cant really get over 15mph with the bumps anyway so its academic.


anyone know?
 

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Re: Speeding along local roads
« Reply #817 on: October 02, 2014, 07:21:20 pm »
Please advise what the "official" speed limnit is on GWR
20 MPH there are lots of signs.

I saw the signs yesterday when I walked up there, it says 'enforced' I think and I wondered who enforces them.
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Re: Speeding along local roads
« Reply #818 on: October 02, 2014, 08:03:15 pm »
The people who pay for the road repairs and signs and speed bumps in GWR it comes out of there pocket, but they get nothing in return. Shame they cant make people who take a short cut pay a TOLL. that would cut he traffic problem out.
 

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Re: Speeding along local roads
« Reply #819 on: October 02, 2014, 09:12:19 pm »
 ;D

Larry,

wrong! it's 30mph if you can do it!!
 

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Re: Speeding along local roads
« Reply #820 on: October 03, 2014, 12:26:00 pm »
Good luck explaining to anyone you stop that there's a 20 mph advisory speed limit (unenforceable) and a 30 mph speed limit (not signed but could be enforceable? - no signs?  private road?).

Wouldn't it be more productive to target Bluebridge Road?  You might even be able to pinch someone.
 

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Re: Speeding along local roads
« Reply #821 on: October 03, 2014, 01:40:58 pm »
Good luck explaining to anyone you stop that there's a 20 mph advisory speed limit (unenforceable) and a 30 mph speed limit (not signed but could be enforceable?

But it does state clearly that there are no excuses.   ???
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Re: Speeding along local roads
« Reply #822 on: October 03, 2014, 02:03:19 pm »
The place to target, for speeding cars, hand held telephones and other Mad road antics is between Welham Green and the Railway Bridge at Brookmans Park. God the law Enforcers would have a field day especially with People on the phones. Go On I dare you Mr Traffic Man.
 

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Re: Speeding along local roads
« Reply #823 on: October 03, 2014, 04:23:45 pm »
Good luck explaining to anyone you stop that there's a 20 mph advisory speed limit (unenforceable) and a 30 mph speed limit (not signed but could be enforceable? - no signs?  private road?).

Wouldn't it be more productive to target Bluebridge Road?  You might even be able to pinch someone.
The test of dangerous driving in law is to be regarded as dangerous if the way he drives falls far below what would be expected of a competent and careful driver or it would be obvious that driving in that way would be dangerous.

With clear compliant signage warning drivers of the potential hazards in GWR, that being - school, no pavements, pedestrians in roadway, and at night fall, poor vision, if you was involved in a accident that was deemed your fault the speed limit displayed could be of little consequence in prosecution.
 

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Re: Speeding along local roads
« Reply #824 on: October 06, 2014, 01:40:29 pm »
Strange things is having lived round BP for 14+ years I don't think I have ever seen or heard of anyone fined for speeding, and the rate that they fly through the streets amazes me. Oooops forget they a yearly speed trap wonder what the results of that are per year. Not much I presume.

I've been nicked and fined for speeding on Bluebridge Road, got 3 points as well.

This was in 1988 though!
 

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Re: Speeding along local roads
« Reply #825 on: October 06, 2014, 01:44:36 pm »
I have spoken with inspector Ian Grout about the speeding in GWR where we have no pavements and requested that speed checks be undertaken whenever practical. unfortunately on the day that a PC was sent and stood in full uniform at the roadside in full view of passing traffic for a full 15 minutes not one vehicle was engaged in excessive speed, surprise surprise!  the officer reported back and I quote from the Inspector " Pc Ross has stood with you and monitored the cars and believes they are not speeding" that was in December 13, I do not believe there has been any further police activity in this regard on GWR.

I thought the police had to be in full view when manning a speed trap? If they hid behind a bush and jumped out at the last minute it would be classed as entrapment.

Same principle with the static speed cameras, they're painted yellow so drivers can see them as they're approaching.

The whole point is to give a visible signal to drivers that they need to observe the speed limit, not just to raise funds through fines.

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Re: Speeding along local roads
« Reply #826 on: October 06, 2014, 09:08:23 pm »
I thought the police had to be in full view when manning a speed trap? If they hid behind a bush and jumped out at the last minute it would be classed as entrapment.

Same principle with the static speed cameras, they're painted yellow so drivers can see them as they're approaching.

The whole point is to give a visible signal to drivers that they need to observe the speed limit, not just to raise funds through fines.
And that is why at least five people die on our roads every day because the police have to operate under these restrictive practices. I dont see anything wrong with "entrapment", only those who break the rules/law and suffer the consequences have anything to fear.

Ive said it before people think it is ok to use excessive speed until someone they care for is a victim of the crime.

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Re: Speeding along local roads
« Reply #827 on: October 07, 2014, 10:53:23 am »
And that is why at least five people die on our roads every day because the police have to operate under these restrictive practices. I dont see anything wrong with "entrapment", only those who break the rules/law and suffer the consequences have anything to fear.

Ive said it before people think it is ok to use excessive speed until someone they care for is a victim of the crime.

Is it not better to stop people from speeding in the first place by having a visible police presence?

What if the speeder runs a small child over because he's going too fast while the policeman is hiding behind a bush?

Sure the driver will get arrested and charged but the small child would still be alive if the policeman had been visible in the first place.

Prevention should be the most important thing here IMO.

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Re: Speeding along local roads
« Reply #828 on: October 07, 2014, 01:06:59 pm »
Is it not better to stop people from speeding in the first place by having a visible police presence?

What if the speeder runs a small child over because he's going too fast while the policeman is hiding behind a bush?

Sure the driver will get arrested and charged but the small child would still be alive if the policeman had been visible in the first place.

Prevention should be the most important thing here IMO.

Using your rationale the incentive not to speed by those who otherwise would only works whilst a officer is present which as we know is far too infrequent, so for the other 364 days of the year the reckless get away with inappropriate speed which is exactly what happens.
 
If those same reckless drivers knew that the police could be hiding anywhere then the threat of prosecution is constant, not just when officers are visible.

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Re: Speeding along local roads
« Reply #829 on: October 07, 2014, 01:32:55 pm »
I have edited the four posts prior to this one because multiple quote boxes had been used, which made it hard to follow the discussion. Now the previous contribution being quoted is visible in the quote box.

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Re: Speeding along local roads
« Reply #830 on: October 07, 2014, 03:57:49 pm »

If those same reckless drivers knew that the police could be hiding anywhere then the threat of prosecution is constant, not just when officers are visible.


I think we all know that there will never be enough police officers available visible or otherwise to stop some drivers putting their foot down and chancing it.

Put a visible officer somewhere for a week though and I gaurantee that anyone who sees him manning a speed trap will think twice about driving quickly past that particular location for a good while though.

This is what used to happen at the bottom of Bluebridge Avenue but I can't remember seeing a speed trap there for years.
 

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Re: Speeding along local roads
« Reply #831 on: November 11, 2014, 05:37:59 pm »
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Re: Speeding along local roads
« Reply #832 on: November 11, 2014, 09:51:09 pm »
I have been following this conversation with some amusement. To do speed enforcement the officer has to wear a high visibility coat and to stand near the kerb facing the direction of the vehicles with the radar laser pointing at the number plate area of the car as it approaches him. The laser can register the speed of the vehicle from nearly two hundred yards away. If the gun is shaking or moves at all it will not pick up the speed of the approaching vehicle. The idea that you could jump out from bushes or from behind hedges and catch out the poor unsuspecting (speeding) driver is wrong. We are not there to catch out motorists we also issue warnings and advice if the driver is doing under 35mph in a 30mph limit. At the end of the day we want to reduce accidents and make sure all road users are safe ie pedestrians, children crossing and horse riders.     
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Re: Speeding along local roads
« Reply #833 on: November 11, 2014, 10:26:36 pm »
I have been following this conversation with some amusement. To do speed enforcement the officer has to wear a high visibility coat and to stand near the kerb facing the direction of the vehicles with the radar laser pointing at the number plate area of the car as it approaches him. The laser can register the speed of the vehicle from nearly two hundred yards away. If the gun is shaking or moves at all it will not pick up the speed of the approaching vehicle. The idea that you could jump out from bushes or from behind hedges and catch out the poor unsuspecting (speeding) driver is wrong. We are not there to catch out motorists we also issue warnings and advice if the driver is doing under 35mph in a 30mph limit. At the end of the day we want to reduce accidents and make sure all road users are safe ie pedestrians, children crossing and horse riders.     
"catch out the poor unsuspecting (speeding) driver is wrong" ??? ??
 

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Re: Speeding along local roads
« Reply #834 on: April 05, 2015, 10:47:55 am »
Villager are setting up "Speedwatch" groups to monitor vehicles speeds, have we got one? If so I would like to volunteer.
 

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Re: Speeding along local roads
« Reply #835 on: April 06, 2015, 09:29:47 am »
There has been talk about setting up a speedwatch group in Welham Green for around four years, but nothing has been arranged so far.
A number of people have been keen to volunteer, but the relevant authority has done nothing to move the idea forward.
 

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« Reply #836 on: April 07, 2015, 10:31:55 am »
Villager are setting up "Speedwatch" groups to monitor vehicles speeds, have we got one? If so I would like to volunteer.
Good luck Bootneck, I hope you find some volunteers.
 

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Re: Speeding along local roads
« Reply #837 on: April 07, 2015, 10:38:29 am »
We need the local authority and police on board so if there out there and want to help please get in touch
 

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Re: Speeding along local roads
« Reply #838 on: April 07, 2015, 01:52:03 pm »
So far, the police appear to be completely disinterested, at least as far as Welham Green is concerned.
 

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Re: Speeding along local roads
« Reply #839 on: April 07, 2015, 02:15:01 pm »
How do these work ?

I'd be very uncomfortable with civilians being able to issue speeding fines.
 

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