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Reduce speed limit to 20 mph in village centre
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Re: Speeding along local roads
« Reply #120 on: January 30, 2004, 06:17:03 pm »
Confronting the individuals concerned can be a useful technique. During the last snow (Feb 03) I challenged a group of several teenagers who were snowballing drivers negotiating an ice covered Brookmans Avenue. Sounds innocuous until you are the driver. Suddenly several loud thumps on the windscreen - the loss of control could have been catastrophic or even lethal. They were not local and I escorted them to the station and saw them safely onto a train. But its more difficult when the problem is speeding. I'm not good at stopping drivers and some people would probably knock me over or assault me. No thanks! But the police could do it.
I don't think BP would qualify for a permanent camera and I think it would be unsightly - ahh the views down Moffats Lane, the serendipity of Brookmans Avenue!
But a few visits over say a 1 month period would have a significant effect. The impact of a few speeding tickets doled out within the village bounds would pay enormous dividends - word would be round the village faster than puma sighting. :o
How can we get a mobile camera unit to pay a visit? Can we ask via Neighbourhood Watch? As Hertfordshire Speed Camera Partnership is partly funded through the Magistrates Court Service, is there a friendly magistrate who could suggest something? Or does anyone else have any ideas? Lets clamp down on this before someone does get killed or seriously injured. :'( Its just not worth it.
 

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Re: Speeding along local roads
« Reply #121 on: January 31, 2004, 11:01:44 am »
I'm afraid speeding is rife all over the village, I live at the bottom of Calder Avenue and there is at least 6 cars who regularly speed up and down towards Woodlands and Shrublands. Two of them are 4 x 4's driven by women with children in the back. What a wonderful example is that to the children!!!!!!!! Perhaps I should take a note of their numbers and follow them home and try to shame them into behaving more responsibly. But am I brave enough! :(
 

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Re: Speeding along local roads
« Reply #122 on: January 31, 2004, 02:56:43 pm »
Yes Margaret, and one of the oblivious females in a huge vehicle named after an American Indian tribe put me off the road to avoid a collision a few months ago damaging a light which is beyond ecconomic repair.
Angry of Calder
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Also the mothers parked up at the end of Calder awaiting the school buses, leave their engines running.
It makes me fume as well, to think of the filth they are discharging into the adjacent gardens. Another offence that the police care not about. And another thing they leave their lights on dazzling motorists speeding up Moffats towards them. grrrrrrrrr
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Re: Speeding along local roads
« Reply #123 on: January 31, 2004, 09:58:21 pm »
Dear Margaret,

We live around the corner from Calder (on GNR) but regularly walk by on our way to the woods, and are always noticing the speed with which people zoom along Mymms and Calder. They can't be people taking a short cut or they wouldn't be there, so must be locals.

I think it would be a good idea to get their numbers, take a walk around the local streets to get addresses, and then send an anonymous letter letting them know that they are causing concern. Might just work, but then again......


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Re: Speeding along local roads
« Reply #124 on: February 02, 2004, 07:01:34 pm »
I was out running last night at around 6pm. Several times as I circuited the out-skirts of the village I saw two teenagers in a Fiat Punto going at speeds of around 50-70 miles an hour. I saw them several times. As I turned for home (Bluebridge Aveneue) they did a hand-break turn in the entrance to the cul-de-sac and then headed back towards the village along Bluebridge Road....Five years ago while living in Enfield a sixteen year old school girl was killed 6feet in front of me by a Mercedes that mounted the pavement and drove over her. I survived by jumping over a retaining wall to avoid the car. Understandably I am acutely sensitive to 'children' speeding in cars to show off. When I got home I rang Potters Bar police station to report what I had seen in the hope that the Herts Police may have a car in the area to have a quiet word and point out a few home truths to the driver. I was left on hold for 17 minutes and then gave up.

David , would it be possible to raise this with the community policeman ?
 

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Re: Speeding along local roads
« Reply #125 on: February 02, 2004, 07:38:44 pm »
Hi Southbury,

I could, but it would be far better if you were able to tell Vojislav Mihailovic about the incident youself having witnessed it.

You can reach the community police team on 01707-638112 during office hours.

I will e-mail him to tell him to look at your posting too.

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« Reply #126 on: February 02, 2004, 08:19:07 pm »
I see there are more digs at 4x4 drivers on this thread.  >:(   Do Jet and Margaret really believe that all 4x4 drivers speed more than drivers of 2 wheel drive drivers.    Naive at best.   A generality with no foundation at worst.

Speeding is illegal and dangerous whether you are drive a 2 wheel drive, a 4x4, or a vehicle that has the option of either mode.   :(

Jibes at the model of a car named after an American Indian is a bit too close to naming names - there are not that many of them in BP. :o

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« Reply #127 on: February 02, 2004, 11:08:00 pm »
I agree. There are far too many digs at 4X4 drivers. It would be a great shame if this was a case of the green eyed yellow idol. >:( It really makes no difference to speeding: too fast is too fast and thats all there is to it.  :P
 

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« Reply #128 on: February 02, 2004, 11:15:44 pm »
I must nail my colours to the mast and say that I do object to 4x4 vehicles, mainly because of the beforementioned driving habits such as excessive speed and the fact that most of them are just too big! But it may not be the driver's fault that they are driven too fast, just that they are so far off the ground that the sensation of speed is lessened, thus 50 feels like 30mph, etc. I well remember being frightened out of my life many moons ago when I first had a ride in one of the old style minis, with my "lower back" within about 4 inches of the road - it seemed like we were going at rocket speed when we were only going 20! And then think about how it feels on the train (not the Moorgate trains) when it seems to be crawling along, yet is overtaking everything on the nearby roads.

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Re: Speeding along local roads
« Reply #129 on: February 03, 2004, 12:38:35 am »
4WDS are inapropriate (on road) in this country, they are gas guzzling destroyers of our planet.
They tend to be driven in a bullying way and take up a lot of the road as the driver tends to think they are driving a tank.
Fine in the desert or off road and perhaps in the sub artic.
Why anyone needs such a beast of engineering over the top ness to take the brats to school or negotiate the North face of sainsburys car park is beyond me.
They are an inverted status symbol of the worse kind.
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« Reply #130 on: February 03, 2004, 10:28:32 am »
It wouldnt be so bad if there was some sort of training given to show people how to use them.  How many people that own these vehicles, know how to use the hi and low ratio's, and 4WD Gearbox effectively?

In the snow, you would be very surprised to see how many people i saw either wheelspinning their 4WD, or bombing around thinking that because its 4WD they are safe.  Remarkable, the false sense of security, and perceptions that people have.

Perhaps they should classify this under a different class on the driving lisence?
 

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Re: Speeding along local roads
« Reply #131 on: February 03, 2004, 10:56:13 am »
Maybe my eyes are deceiving me but I don't remember 'having a go' at 4 x4's, I just mentioned that two of the six (only a third) were 4 x 4's because they were driven at speed with children in the back. I feel it is important that people read these messages correctly before making remarks like being jeleous. I would not buy a 4x4 to drive around BP or any town because I think they are too big for the roads and the parking spaces and they are not economical. I personally don't care what anybody drives as long as they drive properly with safety and concern for other road users and pedestrians. I think once again the whole point has been missed that speeding is rife all over BP not just in the Bluebridge area and the danger is increased in an accident because of the size and weight of the car. As to the remarks about the name of the Indian car, again the whole point is that whoever is the driver might just be shamed into driving better if they realise it is them that the remark was made about. Perhaps some of the many 4 x 4 drivers could put in a thread about the joys of 4 x 4's and why they choose to buy one and what they would like done to stop speeding in BP by all speeders. In fact I am soon going to buy a new(ish) car, perhaps a thread on recomendations would be nice.
 

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Re: Speeding along local roads
« Reply #132 on: February 03, 2004, 11:38:20 am »
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Hi Southbury,  Vojislav Mihailovic, the community police officer, responded to my e-mail in which I raised the issues you mentioned yesterday. He said he will keep an eye out for this vehicle in order to speak to the driver. He said he is also acutely aware of the speeding vehicles in the area and share everyones concerns. Vojislav said he signed the petition in respect of speeding vehicles in Bluebridge road and would happily do so again.
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Re: Speeding along local roads
« Reply #133 on: February 03, 2004, 12:21:01 pm »
I have to agree with Mary here.....I'm fed up with being "labelled" a bad driver because I "like"  4 x 4. Why do we like them.....I'll tell you a few reasons why!
1) they have lots of space, if you have a large family or need to transport things in you're car, they are ideal!
2) They are very safe, after seeing my close friend die in a car accident because of a drunken driver, I am safe in the knowledge that if someone goes into me, my children and passengers are as safe as possible.
3) They give a wonderful view of the road as you're high up.
4) when road conditions are bad, snow, bad rain and flooding, they are the best cars to have!

Our children are not Brats, I object to that, we have to get from A to B, same as everyone else, and that is our chosen form of transport.

It is NOT the car that is being driven that is the problem, it's the DRIVER!  

I don't like motorbikes......perhaps that is because I've never been on one and don't understand the thrill, so I have no right to cast judgement.......

Discuss the real problems here rather than playground bickering. Because all it achieves in lessening the argument.

I know there are some who think having a go at 4 x 4 drivers is funny, but actually it's a form of prejudice. Say it enough and people start believing it.  

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Re: Speeding along local roads
« Reply #134 on: February 03, 2004, 12:55:16 pm »
The thing is that SOME 4WD owners do not see their antics from the perspective of lesser mortals.
Lets all drive them, lets all take up two parking spaces, lets all burn twice the fuel. IE Zaffira people carrier, lots of space and 40 to the gallon, against a Big Red Indian 4WD less than 20 to the gallon.
Far from prejudice its just an opinion.
They are fine ( like tanks ) in their environment.
Its their inefecient pollution of our world that causes some concern.
I think the biggest concern is the inability of people to respect the views and opinions of others.
 

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Re: Speeding along local roads
« Reply #135 on: February 03, 2004, 01:22:52 pm »
Last couple of times, I've been to BP, one Land Rover parked a couple of foot off the kerb so that no-one could pass by, causing a blockage of cars trying to turn round the green (outside. Hollywood hair/estate agents).

Last week two land rovers parked on opposite each other across the road (outside library), so that no-one else could fit down the middle.

One 'bratty' kid (a teenager) left in back of another, absently dropping litter out of the window......

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Re: Speeding along local roads
« Reply #136 on: February 03, 2004, 01:56:30 pm »
It's not true that 4X4's are safer in a crash !

Look at the NCAP ratings and you'll see you are actually better off in a car eg Renault Laguna
 

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« Reply #137 on: February 03, 2004, 02:05:28 pm »
i thought this thread was about speeding through the village and not about the pro's and cons of 4x4's.....afterall it is someones foot which applies pressure to the accelerator and not the car itself.Cars do not speed on their own
 

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« Reply #138 on: February 03, 2004, 02:08:54 pm »
Oh Shads, thank you!!! Common Sense at last!!!  :D
 

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« Reply #139 on: February 03, 2004, 02:17:08 pm »
Have we (as a village) considered asking for a pedestrian crossing by the green, or some form of chicane?  Short of taking it in turns to stand in the middle of the road to slow down passing traffic, I see little chance of educating those who pass through BP in a hurry to be somewhere else.     SB.
 

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« Reply #140 on: February 03, 2004, 02:24:51 pm »
i think as has been proved in Welham Green that Chicacanes can cause more problems thn they solve,but on the topic of a pedestrian crossing, say on Bluebridge Road  possibly between Moffats and the green,i think this may work as a possible deterent to speeding drivers and also being a safe place to cross for people,parents with children on the school runs etc.......Might be worth further investigation
 

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Re: Speeding along local roads
« Reply #141 on: February 03, 2004, 02:30:33 pm »
there was a thread on the idea of a crossing a while ago.

I think it would be a good idea.  As I vaguely remember saying last time, the flashing orange bollard would give me a target to aim for when staggering home after a long evening in the Brookmans...
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« Reply #142 on: February 03, 2004, 02:35:33 pm »
i join you,as long as your buying.....then the compulsive 11 o clock Methi,and after that i doubt even a bright orange flashing beacon could show us the right way to go. ;D
 

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« Reply #143 on: February 03, 2004, 02:55:43 pm »
Its sounds as if a few facts need to go in to this debate. Speeding is dangerous - it threatens all our lives. End of story.
As for 4X4s there are a lot of inaccuracies in the statements preceding this post. 90% of all traffic pollution is produced by vehicles over 10 years old (Transport and Roads Research Laboratory report). Diesel fumes are associated with asthma as a result of particles called PM10s, but I don't see any complaints about diesels. Any vehicle can be driven or parked badly. I have seen my sister in law block 3 parking spaces in a PEugeot 206! Some feat! . Its complaints about ' inverted snobbery' and thats all it is.Beside why stop there? Smaller houses use less fuel to heat and domestic energy use is a far bigger contributor to global warming. So lets demolish the big houses and live in smaller ones! I can't see that happening in BP! Yes, 4X4s use more fuel than other vehicles but we live in a society where each of us has a choice as to what we drive. Belittling the choices of others is not a contribution to the speeding debate and isw at best intolerant and in the worsst case prejudice. Speeding affects us all no matter what we drive. The choice of vehicle is IRRELEVANT!
 

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Re: Speeding along local roads
« Reply #144 on: February 03, 2004, 02:59:44 pm »
Obviously Anna You still haven't read the posts properly,
NOBODY, has labelled 4 x4 drivers WHO SPEED any worse than any other driver WHO SPEEDS. I have re-read all the posts and cannot find anybody who said 4x4 drivers are bad!!!!!!! The only remarks are regarding the suitability of 4 x 4 in a small village and the fact that they are environmentaly bad news. There is very little point in having discussions with people who don't listen or in this case read. Everybody has their likes and dislikes regarding cars as in everything else (personally I rather fancy a Jaguar) but the environment and suitability of the roads, must be taken into account. As to being safer in 4 x 4's, I'm not sure if that is correct, you might be safer if a small car should hit you, but if you should be hit with something bigger I suspect it would be a case of the bigger they are the harder they fall. I'm sure surveys have been done on the safety aspect of all cars, probably by the Which Magazine. I suspect you just feel you are safer in a bigger car, as to the better view. Get on the bus!
 

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« Reply #145 on: February 03, 2004, 03:04:56 pm »
I think the remarks about 4 x 4's and the environment wasn't so much about pollution but about how much fuel they use, thereby deleting an already dwindling resource.
 

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« Reply #146 on: February 03, 2004, 03:59:06 pm »
Precisely Margaret, people read what they want to read rather than that which is written.
My 15 year old lean burn engine has better C02 emmisions than its modern equivelant.
Diesel engines whilst having greater fuel efficiency pass out more particulate matter.
This needs greater filtration and converter utilisation which itself creates an environmental time bomb regarding the cost and disposal of the contaminated items.
The controls that these so called anti pollution devices require need are sophisticated electronics which  contain highly poisonous elements again needing wastfull disposal.
The corporations feast on the legislation requiring these controls and charge us all accordingly.
We now have cars which wear out discs faster than pads, again something that used to cost say £20 to replace now costs hundreds. Before any clever clogs say its down to asbestos controls it is still posible to make pads from safe materials rather than wear out discs, but hey thats too cheap and generates little tax.
The way forward is for communities to have schools close enough so that children can get to school easily and workers to work as close to home as practical. Again this is too easy as it cuts down on costs and subsequent taxes.
The government thrives on internal ineficiency and now makes sure that the inhabitants of the country work the same way.
What is sensible in the average travel into town of at least 3 hours per day, to do 8 hours attendance producing about 5 hours work.
The result more stress than ever.
So much for the leisure age we were promised in the 60s.
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« Reply #147 on: February 03, 2004, 04:04:57 pm »
Margaret and Jet......i reckon you should set up another thread just on 4x4's because obviously this is a subject you both have strong views,whilst i myself are wanting to read about speeding drivers and how can try to stop these people before someone gets killed and not about peoples views on 4x4's
 

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« Reply #148 on: February 03, 2004, 04:32:39 pm »
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FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT, etc...

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I still think the pedestrian crossing idea would be worth pursuing - and not just so I can get home quicker...
 

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« Reply #149 on: February 03, 2004, 04:43:03 pm »
Threads naturally diversify or else they would run out of steam after a few posts.
Still with helpfull people like Aiden stirring it up and selling tickets. :) :) :) :)
I guess a crossing would cause someone to get knocked over and plenty of shunts. Crossings are dangerous places giving false security.
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