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Which of the following were the top three reasons in your list? Please use the other option if I have missed your objection and feel free to expand on the point in the thread. I have set the poll for three votes per person.

Building on green belt
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The local environment/nature
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Emissions and air quality
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Traffic implications
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Voting closed: August 28, 2013, 09:38:08 am

Linked Events

  • Environment Agency consultation drop in session on incinerat: March 22, 2012
  • Environment Agency public consultation on incinerator operat: April 18, 2012
  • Incinderator planning meeting - Campus West: July 19, 2012
  • Waste Sites Allocations Public Hearing, County Hall, Hertford: September 03, 2013 - September 05, 2013
  • Incinerator protest Fielder Centre, Hatfield Business Park: September 10, 2013
  • Incinerator Public Inquiry, Fielder Centre, Hatfield Bus Park: September 10, 2013 - September 12, 2013
  • Incinerator Public Inquiry Ramada Comet Hotel or other: September 17, 2013 - September 19, 2013
  • Incinerator Public Inquiry Ramada Comet Hotel or other: September 24, 2013 - September 26, 2013
  • Incinerator Public Inquiry Ramada Comet Hotel or other: October 08, 2013 - October 10, 2013
  • Incinerator Public Inquiry Ramada Comet Hotel or other: October 15, 2013 - October 17, 2013
  • Incinerator Public Inquiry Ramada Comet Hotel or other: October 22, 2013 - October 24, 2013
  • Waste Sites Allocations Public Hearing County Hall Hertford: November 05, 2013 - November 06, 2013

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Offline Cathy

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Re: Hatfield incinerator - what's going on?
« Reply #1230 on: March 28, 2015, 09:46:11 am »
HATFIELD AGAINST INCINERATION
UPDATE ON CAMPAIGN AGAINST INCINERATOR AT NEW BARNFIELD

On March 20th the Secretary of State send a letter to those parties who appeared at the Public Inquiry into Veolia’s planning application to build an incinerator at New Barnfield. Those parties include the New Barnfield Action Fund. (Hatfield Against Incineration is part of the committee of NBAF)

The Secretary of State referred to the quashing of his decision against the incinerator,  in Jan 2015, by the High Court, following Veolia’s Legal Challenge. 

He invited representations from the parties to the Inquiry on some issues. The issues include:
•    the Herts CC Waste Sites Allocations Plan (in which New Barnfield is an allocated waste site)
•    the updated National Waste Planning Policy of Oct 2014, and the Planning Guidance that supports it
•    any material changes in circumstances, fact or policy since the Sec of State’s decision in July 2014.
Alternatively, the parties can ask for the Inquiry to be re-opened.

NBAF are confident that an incinerator will not be built at New Barnfield. The case against it is now even stronger that at the time of the Sec of State’s decision not to allow it.  Also, we know that Herts County Council is going to consider various options, including an alternative waste management plan from Veolia, or breaking the contract with Veolia.

The public do not need to respond to the Secretary of State’s recent letter. At the moment, the most effective action that opponents of an incinerator can take is to do anything they can to persuade the majority of Conservative Hertfordshire County Councillors to abandon their New Barnfield incinerator plan.
 

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Re: Hatfield incinerator - what's going on?
« Reply #1231 on: March 28, 2015, 11:09:09 am »
The public do not need to respond to the Secretary of State’s recent letter. At the moment, the most effective action that opponents of an incinerator can take is to do anything they can to persuade the majority of Conservative Hertfordshire County Councillors to abandon their New Barnfield incinerator plan.
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Here's some additional motivation, the medical evidence of the harm that air pollution  - in the incinerator's case: stack emissions and the HGV traffic generated in fuelling it / removing toxic ash - does continues to grow (they have already established a link to coronary disease - on top of the more obvious pulmonary / lung conditions); now there's a link to strokes (worryingly, even a short term spike in pollution can trigger an episode):
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Air pollution 'link to stroke risk'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-32024727
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It's also worth noting that the most lethal kind of stroke is haemorrhagic - and patients for neuro-surgical intervention to stop the bleeding are sent from Lister to Addenbrooke's Hospital in Cambridge. Quite a distance to travel across already congested roads when minutes count (as a stroke specialist ward sister told me: "time is brain").
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So this could change your life or that of someone you know - literally.
 

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Re: Hatfield incinerator - what's going on?
« Reply #1232 on: March 28, 2015, 12:16:08 pm »
If the school does not move back after the incinerator is rejected, what will happen to the site? New housing? New business park? Finally rejoin both ends of Travellers Lane?
 

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Re: Hatfield incinerator - what's going on?
« Reply #1233 on: March 28, 2015, 02:29:07 pm »
The planning permission granted for the move of the school was temporary; for 5 years from March 2012.  So there will have to be an application for permanent planning permission in due course.  The land is designated as Urban Open Land and is safeguarded as such in the Welwyn Hatfield draft Local Plan.  WHBC, and others, objected to the temporary proposal on that basis.

Personally, I would like to see the needs of the children being put first in any future decision, which clearly HCC did not do when proposing that an incinerator should be built next door to their purpose built school!

Under Govt policy, existing open space and playing fields can be developed if the loss is replaced by an equivalent or better provision. Perhaps we could have a straw poll about what we would like to see on the site if the school does not move back and send the results to HCC.  My vote would be for a wild play/environmental education centre.
   
 

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Re: Hatfield incinerator - what's going on?
« Reply #1234 on: May 03, 2015, 04:25:21 pm »
Couple of recent news items that add to the argument against incineration / improve the feasibility of alternative power sources (but, like solar panels, the batteries still have a long way to go development-wise but other tech advances, like LED lighting, mean you can get more zap out of your power supply):
 
Court orders UK to cut NO2 air pollution
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-32512152

Tesla unveils batteries to power homes
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-32545081
 

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Re: Hatfield incinerator - what's going on?
« Reply #1235 on: May 03, 2015, 04:53:00 pm »
UPDATE ON ANTI-INCINERATOR CAMPAIGN May 2 2015
The campaign against an incinerator at New Barnfield is unfortunately not yet over, but campaigners are optimistic that it will be over by the end of 2015. At the moment Veolia’s Planning Application is in the process of being re-determined by the Dept of Communities and Local Government (and the Secretary of State).

This has happened because in 2014 Veolia made a legal challenge in the High Court to the decision against Veolia’s Planning Application, a decision which was made by the DCLG and Sec of State in July 2014. Unfortunately, in Jan 2015, Veolia’s legal challenge succeeded, on a legal point about what the Sec of State had taken into account, so the Planning Application went back to the DCLG to be re-determined.

The parties who were represented at the Public Inquiry back in Autumn 2013 were invited in March 2015 to send to the DCLG responses about relevant things that have happened since the decision against the incinerator in July 2014. These parties are: New Barnfield Action Fund, Gascoyne Cecil Estates (Hatfield House), Historic England (previously called English Heritage), Welwyn Hatfield Borough Council, and Welwyn Hatfield Friends of the Earth/Herts Without Waste against the incinerator; and Veolia and Herts County Council in favour of  the incinerator. Responses were sent on April 24th 2015. NBAF’s response was checked and amended by our legal team, for which there are some costs, and any donations towards this would be greatly appreciated.

On April 27th 2015 the Public Inquiry Parties were shown all the responses, for and against, and were invited to send in any new points of rebuttal of the other side’s arguments by May 8th. Some members of NBAF are currently working on our response to this. We know that we now have a case against the incinerator even stronger than at the time of the Public Inquiry.

Herts County Council continues to argue for the incinerator, claiming that it is still needed. We say that it is not needed, especially as HCC now has “interim” contracts to send waste to incinerators in nearby counties, and as Defra withdrew the PFI funding for the incinerator on the grounds that it is not needed to fulfil targets of diversion of waste from landfill.

Meanwhile, HCC has said publicly that they have 3 options: to continue with the incinerator if it gets planning permission, to accept an alternative waste plan from Veolia (to be submitted this July), or to break the contract with Veolia. HCC have said that they intend to decide by the end of 2015.

So, whatever the outcome of the Sec of State’s re-determination of Veolia’s Planning Application, Herts County Council can decide not to continue with the incinerator plan.

The political party with a majority on HCC is the Conservatives. The Conservatives at County Hall put forward the incinerator plan, and have continued to push the plan despite many attempts by the County Councillors of Lib/Dem and Labour to persuade them to stop, and despite the sustained opposition of individuals and community groups. It is essential that the Conservative administration at County Hall withdraws the incinerator plan.

Everyone who is opposed to the incinerator should be asking local Conservative councillors and those Conservatives standing for election, what conversations they are having with their fellow Conservatives at County Hall about the need to stop the incinerator plan.
 

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Re: Hatfield incinerator - what's going on?
« Reply #1236 on: May 04, 2015, 01:39:00 am »
Whatever one's opinion of the incinerator proposal itself, the performance of the authorities 'in getting us here is not impressive. In brief:

HM Treasury Rules (for major projects such as the incinerator) that only make partial sense; compounded by Herts Council's apparently flawed interpretation / implementation of them. To invite tenders, the Council had to get PFI credits from HM Treasury; which are only given if the council owns a 'reference' site with all environmental etc clearances. (Why did it choose New Barnfield?; does it not own others?). Once that hurdle was crossed, tenderers could offer the reference site or any other of its choosing. Obviously, the cost of the incinerator would be, for practical purposes, the cost of the incinerator/engineering/building - roughly the same whatever the site - plus the land (no small some in S Herts). The council ineptly offered New Barnfield at a 'peppercorn rent' (ie no rent at all); whilst the tenderer would have to finance any other site./ land including transport / road connections (no small some in itself). So, naturally, the tenderer  who chose to use New Barnfield, where the land was offered free. won.

Veolia seems to get continuous flack for merely answering a tender put together by those who should (but clearly didn't) know better. Publicised attempts by our MP to apparently 'get Veolia to change it's mind' are arguably disingenuous. (if you offered a quote for work, would you / could you do something more expensive at no extra cost?).

Meanwhile, the government has ' withdrawn its PFI credits'. Be wary: were these credits withdrawn because of te controversy and court case; or (unstatedly) because it was a cover to reduce government expenditure. So should the withdrawal be treated as some kind of victory?
 

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Re: Hatfield incinerator - what's going on?
« Reply #1237 on: May 13, 2015, 04:45:04 pm »
UPDATE ON CAMPAIGN AGAINST INCINERATOR
DECISION ON PLANNING APPLICATION BY JULY 16TH

The Secretary of State at the Department of Communities and Local Govt is now re-determining Veolia’s Planning Application to build an incinerator at New Barnfield. The decision will be made on or before July 16th.

There is a new Sec of State at the DCLG (Eric Pickles has been replaced by Greg Clark) , but of course the planning officer at the DCLG who has been dealing with the detail of the New Barnfield case is still dealing with it.

The planning application is being re-determined as a result of the success in Jan 2015 of Veolia’s legal challenge to the decision against the planning application made by the Sec of State in July 2014.

The parties who made representations to the 2013 Public Inquiry into the Planning Application have now made further representations, followed by rebuttals of the representations made by opposing parties. The parties are Herts County Council and Veolia for the incinerator; and New Barnfield Action Fund, Gascoyne Cecil Estates (Hatfield House), Welwyn Hatfield Borough Council, Welwyn/Hatfield Friends of the Earth/Herts Without Waste, and Historic England (formerly English Heritage) against the incinerator.

Some legal costs have been incurred by NBAF in making their further representations, and donations would be welcomed (to New Barnfield Action Fund, via Treasurer Neil Robinson c/o Maynard House, Hatfield).

Meanwhile, Herts County Council has said that they will consider three options: an incinerator at New Barnfield if it gets planning permission, an alternative plan from Veolia (which they have until early July to submit), or to break the contract with Veolia and use other waste management solutions. HCC have said they will decide by the end of 2015.

Paul Zukowskyj, Secretary of New Barnfield Action Fund, said, “We know we have very strong grounds for the Secretary of State to reject the incinerator plan for a second time. The residents of Hatfield and Welham Green have had this hanging over them for way too long and we look forward to the SoS finally throwing out this abominable plan."

Cathy Roe, Secretary of Hatfield Against Incineration, said, “We are very optimistic that Veolia’s Planning Application will again be turned down, and we are also optimistic that HCC will adopt alternative methods of waste management that are much better than an incinerator at New Barnfield.”


 

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Re: Hatfield incinerator - what's going on?
« Reply #1238 on: May 16, 2015, 02:13:08 pm »
Just FYI, to complete the above, as Chairman of the New Barnfield Action Fund my recent quote also issued on 13th May to the Welwyn Hatfield Times was as follows:

"This enormous 380,000 ton incinerator would do huge damage to our environment and has already been turned down for very good green belt reasons. I am therefore urging that the same decision be reached again. Even the original County Council backers have seen the light and financial credits of over £200m have been withdrawn by the government itself.


"So this waste plan is as good a dead, but the final nail needs to be driven into it's coffin with a final decision to say no."
 

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Re: Hatfield incinerator - what's going on?
« Reply #1239 on: July 16, 2015, 04:01:59 pm »
Isn't the decision expected by today? Has anybody heard any news on the future of the plans for the incinerator?
 

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Re: Hatfield incinerator - what's going on?
« Reply #1240 on: July 16, 2015, 06:05:35 pm »
Isn't the decision expected by today? Has anybody heard any news on the future of the plans for the incinerator?

The decision was expected today, but we are now expecting it tomorrow. 
 

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Re: Hatfield incinerator - what's going on?
« Reply #1241 on: July 17, 2015, 07:32:09 am »
The decision is out at 9.30am this morning. I will tweet it from http://www.twitter.com/GrantShapps
 

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« Reply #1242 on: July 17, 2015, 09:39:02 am »
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« Reply #1243 on: July 17, 2015, 09:49:04 am »
Good news !
 

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Re: Hatfield incinerator - what's going on?
« Reply #1245 on: July 17, 2015, 06:43:01 pm »
Cathy deserves a great deal of credit for this smashing result. Certainly many others were involved, but several are of course politicians whilst Cathy is most certainly not.

Let's hear it for Cathy...
 

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« Reply #1246 on: July 17, 2015, 07:49:26 pm »
Here here!
I am absolutely furious over HCC's waste of our money in jumping the gun and building a new school and moving those vulnerable children prematurely- it was all totally unnecessary. Just think what all that money could have been used for instead. I believe the new school is only a temporary building? Will the old school be reopened?
 

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« Reply #1247 on: July 18, 2015, 01:22:07 pm »
No word yet from Veolia or HCC:
http://www.veolia.co.uk/hertfordshire/ [Last news 18/08/2014]

http://www.veolia.co.uk/media/media

http://www.hertsdirect.org/mediareleases/
 
Here here!
I am absolutely furious over HCC's waste of our money in jumping the gun and building a new school and moving those vulnerable children prematurely- it was all totally unnecessary. Just think what all that money could have been used for instead. I believe the new school is only a temporary building? Will the old school be reopened?
Very good questions - and it's probably necessary to have the school there to put paid to them coming up with some other nasty use for the site.
HCC only got planning permission to build on the field on the basis that the school move was supposed to be temporary (but I do recall seeing something about moves to make it permanent).
I expect that they will try to find a pretext for keeping the school there (even though the original one was purpose-built). Otherwise there's the cost of removing the 'temporary' one, and ripping up all the tarmac and foundation pillars they've laid down to return the field back to its original state.
 
 

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« Reply #1248 on: July 18, 2015, 03:09:45 pm »
I expect that they will try to find a pretext for keeping the school there (even though the original one was purpose-built). Otherwise there's the cost of removing the 'temporary' one, and ripping up all the tarmac and foundation pillars they've laid down to return the field back to its original state.
I wonder if, having grabbed a green open space for the 'temporary' school, this now would become 'brown', and ripe for redevelopment?
 

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« Reply #1249 on: July 20, 2015, 02:47:34 pm »
It was supposed to be a 'protected' playing field. However, with the recent changes to legislation favouring developers I'm afraid I don't know the answer to that.
 

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« Reply #1250 on: July 22, 2015, 06:22:54 pm »
According to today's Welwyn Hatfield Times, Veolia delivered a 'Plan B' / Revised Project Plan (RPP) to HCC on 7 July.
 
HCC are being very coy about releasing any details about the new proposals.
 

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« Reply #1251 on: August 28, 2015, 12:47:18 pm »
According to WHT, Veolia have finally reached the end of the line  :)


http://www.whtimes.co.uk/news/veolia_admits_defeat_for_hatfield_waste_incinerator_1_4212545
 

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« Reply #1252 on: August 28, 2015, 01:51:34 pm »
Wonderful.  huge thanks to all for the protests.
 

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Re: Hatfield incinerator - what's going on?
« Reply #1253 on: August 28, 2015, 03:12:23 pm »
FINAL VICTORY IN CAMPAIGN AGAINST NEW BARNFIELD INCINERATOR
Congratulations to everyone who helped to achieve this victory

Hatfield against Incineration are extremely pleased that Veolia are not challenging the decision against an incinerator at New Barnfield made by the Inspector who led the Public Inquiry and two Secretaries of State.

It’s been a very long campaign, since 2009, and we have shown that our united local community can win against Herts County Council and Veolia, who together tried to impose this monstrous, polluting, and expensive incinerator on us.

Now we urge Herts County Council to end their contract with Veolia. Veolia have presented HCC with a secret revised project plan, which is very likely to be an incinerator in another part of Hertfordshire. We urge HCC to realise that they don’t need an expensive and polluting incinerator in this county, as there is massive provision of incinerator capacity in neighbouring counties which can be used until reduce, re-use, re-cycle has been improved so that incineration is not needed.

We now urge HCC to make use of the previously-developed part of the New Barnfield site for purposes which are beneficial to people and do not spoil the natural environment.

HCC has wasted £12 to 13 million of our money on the New Barnfield project, and thousands have had to be spent opposing it. Now HCC needs to start listening to what residents tell them.

This victory is due to the efforts of the whole community working together. Now the community needs to continue to work together to obtain much-needed improvements in Hatfield, to make it the attractive place it could and should be.

(Posted on behalf of Cathy)
 

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Re: Hatfield incinerator - what's going on?
« Reply #1254 on: August 28, 2015, 03:12:59 pm »
Many congratulations to Cathy and HAI, and to all those who have been involved in this lengthy campaign.
 

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« Reply #1255 on: August 29, 2015, 10:12:10 am »
And to your good self for a very significant and substantial contribution to this victory.
 

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